Re: Any ideas about recording bass direct into daw?

[2mb]

Brian,
You need a line-6 rack mount bass pod. The standalone with wall wart is ok
but the rack is mack.
They are both bad ass.

l8,
Neil

"Brian" > wrote in message
om...
> I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> rate, I open to any and all suggestions.

[2mb]

http://www.line6.com/productpage.asp?productID=45

I very strongly urge you to check this gear out at the store... you need to
hear it to believe it.

"2mb" > wrote in message
...
> Brian,
> You need a line-6 rack mount bass pod. The standalone with wall wart is ok
> but the rack is mack.
> They are both bad ass.
>
> l8,
> Neil
>
> "Brian" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> > the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> > vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> > decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> > with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> > 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> > idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> > for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> > the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> > currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> > other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> > river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> > mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> > to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> > tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> > rate, I open to any and all suggestions.
>
>

[2mb]

http://www.line6.com/BassPODxtPro/ for the bass pod
"2mb" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.line6.com/productpage.asp?productID=45
>
> I very strongly urge you to check this gear out at the store... you need
to
> hear it to believe it.
>
> "2mb" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Brian,
> > You need a line-6 rack mount bass pod. The standalone with wall wart is
ok
> > but the rack is mack.
> > They are both bad ass.
> >
> > l8,
> > Neil
> >
> > "Brian" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> > > the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> > > vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> > > decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> > > with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> > > 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> > > idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> > > for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> > > the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> > > currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> > > other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> > > river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> > > mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> > > to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> > > tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> > > rate, I open to any and all suggestions.
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob Ross]

I had amazingly good luck using a JoeMeek VC-6 (original model, before
the VC-6Q came out) patched into a JoeMeek VC5 Meekqualizer...in other
words, a McGyver'd VC-6Q before that product was available. So I wouldn't
be surprised if a VC-6Q did the trick.

Other faves for phatazz electric bass include the (no longer available,
apparently) retrospec JuiceBox DI direct to tape, and the XLR out from an
SWR SM-400 bass amp, again direct to tape, with the compressor du juor
patched into the SWR's effects loop.

/Bob Ross


Brian wrote:

> I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> rate, I open to any and all suggestions.

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

The Great River NV is by far the best bass DI I have ever heard. Get
the 2NV and you have one channel for the cabinet mike and one channel
for the DI. Or just get the 1NV if you don't need both simultaneously.
It's also among the best preamps in the world, so you'll get your
money's worth out of it on other applications as well. You can't go
wrong with a top-notch mike preamp, especially when it has such a great
DI built into it.

ulysses


In article >, Brian
> wrote:

> I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> rate, I open to any and all suggestions.

[littledog]

Usually a regular DI won't work for what you want, since it outputs
mic level, which means you're still going to have to go through a mic
pre to get into your DAW.

One exception would be the Avalon U5. It gives you the option of line
out as well as mic out, so you can go directly from the U5 into your
DAW input. Plus it is one of the truely great Bass DI's, and a lot
cheaper than buying a Great River, if you don't actually need another
preamp at this time.

[bruce seifried]

In article >,
(littledog) wrote:

> Usually a regular DI won't work for what you want, since it outputs
> mic level, which means you're still going to have to go through a mic
> pre to get into your DAW.
>
> One exception would be the Avalon U5. It gives you the option of line
> out as well as mic out, so you can go directly from the U5 into your
> DAW input. Plus it is one of the truely great Bass DI's, and a lot
> cheaper than buying a Great River, if you don't actually need another
> preamp at this time.


Just to toot my own horn here, the Evil Twin DI (which I've been buiding
for about 15 years now), has always had a balanced/floating/line level
output. Always seemed silly to me to make an active DI any other way...


Bruce Seifried
Eclair Engineering

[Analogeezer]

Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> The Great River NV is by far the best bass DI I have ever heard. Get
> the 2NV and you have one channel for the cabinet mike and one channel
> for the DI. Or just get the 1NV if you don't need both simultaneously.
> It's also among the best preamps in the world, so you'll get your
> money's worth out of it on other applications as well. You can't go
> wrong with a top-notch mike preamp, especially when it has such a great
> DI built into it.
>
> ulysses
>
>
You know I have used mine and was not knocked out by it as a DI on
bass, it was a bit bland for me, but then again I like more of a
"sound" on my bass tracks. I usually use an Ampeg SVP Pro preamp but
lately I've been digging the Sansamp RBI.

The Sansamp doesn't sound all that impressive to me going to tape/disk
but the way it sits well in a track is very cool. Pretty nice piece,
easy to use for only $280 or so.

One really cool use for the 2NV I have found is running
synths/keyboard through it. Take something sterile and wimpy like an
Alesis QS-7 and it adds a lot more balls and fur to patches that
normally don't cut well.

I thought I'd use it on bass a lot when I bought it but so far I
haven't used it much.

Analogeezer

[Dave Martin]

Bruce, are you back in reasonable health and working?

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

"bruce seifried" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (littledog) wrote:
>
> > Usually a regular DI won't work for what you want, since it outputs
> > mic level, which means you're still going to have to go through a mic
> > pre to get into your DAW.
> >
> > One exception would be the Avalon U5. It gives you the option of line
> > out as well as mic out, so you can go directly from the U5 into your
> > DAW input. Plus it is one of the truely great Bass DI's, and a lot
> > cheaper than buying a Great River, if you don't actually need another
> > preamp at this time.
>
>
> Just to toot my own horn here, the Evil Twin DI (which I've been buiding
> for about 15 years now), has always had a balanced/floating/line level
> output. Always seemed silly to me to make an active DI any other way...
>
>
> Bruce Seifried
> Eclair Engineering

[Brian]

(Analogeezer) wrote in message >...
> Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> > The Great River NV is by far the best bass DI I have ever heard. Get
> > the 2NV and you have one channel for the cabinet mike and one channel
> > for the DI. Or just get the 1NV if you don't need both simultaneously.
> > It's also among the best preamps in the world, so you'll get your
> > money's worth out of it on other applications as well. You can't go
> > wrong with a top-notch mike preamp, especially when it has such a great
> > DI built into it.
> >
> > ulysses
> >
> >
> You know I have used mine and was not knocked out by it as a DI on
> bass, it was a bit bland for me, but then again I like more of a
> "sound" on my bass tracks. I usually use an Ampeg SVP Pro preamp but
> lately I've been digging the Sansamp RBI.
>
> The Sansamp doesn't sound all that impressive to me going to tape/disk
> but the way it sits well in a track is very cool. Pretty nice piece,
> easy to use for only $280 or so.
>
> One really cool use for the 2NV I have found is running
> synths/keyboard through it. Take something sterile and wimpy like an
> Alesis QS-7 and it adds a lot more balls and fur to patches that
> normally don't cut well.
>
> I thought I'd use it on bass a lot when I bought it but so far I
> haven't used it much.
>
> Analogeezer

I listened to a few boxes the other day. I listened to a Summit, a
Joe Meek, and a Great River MP2NV. I play a 68 Fender P Bass with
Flats, and GR just seemed to be more tight on the low end. One thing
I did notice about the Great River is that there seems to be a scoop
from 200 to 400. However, this worked great with the bass. I would
love to listen to more boxes but don't have the time.

[Fletcher]

"Brian" > wrote in message
om...
> I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> idea.


FWIW... the Great River ME-1NV's DI was designed around a P-bass running
flat wound strings... the mic pre was designed around being seriously
flexible.

Best of luck with your search.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Fletcher]

"2mb" > wrote in message
...
> Brian,
> You need a line-6 rack mount bass pod. The standalone with wall wart is ok
> but the rack is mack.
> They are both bad ass.



Bad? Yes. Bad ass? Not a ****ing chance.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Analogeezer]

(Brian) wrote in message >...
> (Analogeezer) wrote in message >...
> > Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> > > The Great River NV is by far the best bass DI I have ever heard. Get
> > > the 2NV and you have one channel for the cabinet mike and one channel
> > > for the DI. Or just get the 1NV if you don't need both simultaneously.
> > > It's also among the best preamps in the world, so you'll get your
> > > money's worth out of it on other applications as well. You can't go
> > > wrong with a top-notch mike preamp, especially when it has such a great
> > > DI built into it.
> > >
> > > ulysses
> > >
> > >
> > You know I have used mine and was not knocked out by it as a DI on
> > bass, it was a bit bland for me, but then again I like more of a
> > "sound" on my bass tracks. I usually use an Ampeg SVP Pro preamp but
> > lately I've been digging the Sansamp RBI.
> >
> > The Sansamp doesn't sound all that impressive to me going to tape/disk
> > but the way it sits well in a track is very cool. Pretty nice piece,
> > easy to use for only $280 or so.
> >
> > One really cool use for the 2NV I have found is running
> > synths/keyboard through it. Take something sterile and wimpy like an
> > Alesis QS-7 and it adds a lot more balls and fur to patches that
> > normally don't cut well.
> >
> > I thought I'd use it on bass a lot when I bought it but so far I
> > haven't used it much.
> >
> > Analogeezer
>
> I listened to a few boxes the other day. I listened to a Summit, a
> Joe Meek, and a Great River MP2NV. I play a 68 Fender P Bass with
> Flats, and GR just seemed to be more tight on the low end. One thing
> I did notice about the Great River is that there seems to be a scoop
> from 200 to 400. However, this worked great with the bass. I would
> love to listen to more boxes but don't have the time.


Given your bass, the flatwounds, and the style you are after, you
ought to check out the Alembic FX-1 bass preamp.

Again this is a bass pre, not a mic pre with a DI but it has a DI
output (strangely on the front panel) or you could use the unbalanced
line out to go to tape/disk.

The FX-1 design is based on the Fender Dual Showman, it's got a real
buttery tone, might be just the thing for what you are trying to do.

They run about $575 new.

Again it's not a mic pre but it's a lot less than the other choices
you are talking about....personally I've had much better luck using
the DI from great sounding bass preamps than any DI or Mic pre but
then again there are a lot of those devices (e.g. the Avalon DI) that
I have not tried.

Analogeezer

[Rob Adelman]

Fletcher wrote:

>>You need a line-6 rack mount bass pod. The standalone with wall wart is ok
>>but the rack is mack.
>>They are both bad ass.
>
>
>
>
> Bad? Yes. Bad ass? Not a ****ing chance.

The bass pod is actually pretty good. I don't know about bad ass, but it
isn't bad. The guitar pod does suck, however.

[Dave Martin]

"Rob Adelman" > wrote in message
...
>
> The bass pod is actually pretty good. I don't know about bad ass, but it
> isn't bad. The guitar pod does suck, however.
>
"Pretty good?" I've gotten useable sounds by plugging one of my basses into
a Mackie 1604, so if "pretty good" means 'useable', I'd agree. But if you
mean something like "Sounds like a bass should sound", then there's nothing
in a bass pod that works worth a damn. At least to my ears, but I've only
been playing bass for 30 years, so I may be wrong....

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

[Dan]

This is a low cost idea; I have been happy with some bass sounds I
have gotten from my Baggs Paracoustic DI that I bought for my live
acoustic guitar rig. It's about $165. On some tracks it sounds better
than going through my FMR RNP (which also sounds nice).

Best of luck

d



(Brian) wrote in message >...
> I do mainly soul and R&B music into my computer rig. I have been on
> the market for some better pres (with hiZ inputs) which I can use for
> vocals and bass. However I am starting to think about buying a
> decicated "piece" of gear just for bass. I use a '65 Fender P Bass
> with Flatwounds and it does have a pretty big boost from 100 Hz to
> 300Hz so any pre that might accentuate that is not going to be a good
> idea. I have been using a multi band (waves c4) on it after I record
> for no, but would like to get something that is better straight out of
> the gate. By the way I am using a Joe Meek TwinQcs for the bass
> currently. I listened to a Summit 2BA-221 and a Great River MP1NV the
> other day. I actually liked the summit on the mics and the great
> river on the bass. The great river seemed to "scoop out" some low
> mids, almost as if it were EQ'd. Anyway, I don't know if I would like
> to make $1100 bass pre investment. I would like to try the summit
> tpa-100 but can't find a place in Nashville that rents them. At any
> rate, I open to any and all suggestions.