They don't make it like they used to ...

[geoff]

Well, some at least.

http://tinyurl.com/y659bgwm

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff:

You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
bringing it up again with that Times article!

[None]

Thecckhhhh-mama < keystoker.retardsRtheckma.edu>
wrote in message
...

> You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
> of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
> bringing it up again with that Times article!

You never did figure out why, did you? Even when it's been explained
to you in simplified toddler terms, you've always been just too retarded
to get it. And this post shows that you're still proudly, defiantly, and
impotently retarded. Wave your numpty flag high, li'l buddy!


By the way, skidmark, I'm reading your post that you posted on a
public forum. That doesn't mean that I'm "tracking every keystroke"
on your tablet or any such retarded dumb-****ery. If you post on a
public forum (even if it's not usenet), I may be reading. I may read
your spew even before it's deleted by the moderators for being
off-topic, prohibited, and as stupid as as stump. That's not
stalking.

Your lame attempts at doxxing by guessing at IP addresses or locations,
and then publicly posting them, is a little more like stalking, bless your
heart. OK, now you can go out and sit on the sidewalk in your rascal
scooter and yell at the passing cars that you don't like their tires.


HTH. DJBF. FCKWAFRDF!

[geoff]

On 4/09/2019 4:14 am, wrote:
> geoff:
>
> You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
> of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
> bringing it up again with that Times article!
>


Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****.

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "

geoff"


Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos are quite useful.

So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting off".

(I'd love to hear this..)

[None]

Theckma, the village idiot < theckmaaaah @ dum**** . shortbus . edu >

wrote in message
...

> Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos
> are quite useful.

Nice that you still have a sense of humour, and you can laugh at
how retarded you are! SKHF. FWSCK!

> So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF:

I know it's hard for a 'tard like you to remember, but this is still an
unmoderated newsgroup, and you're still not in charge. Anybody
can reply. Will this ever get through your igneous skull (no, not
"ingenious", that's "igneous")? No, you're probably just too stupid.

> Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
> misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting
> off".

Search for every single post you've ever made in this newsgroup, and then
re-read all the responses. Then go back and do it again. And again. It's all
there; your pathetic dumb****ery, your utter unwillingness to learn, and
your
impotent crybaby whining. It's all there. Are you just too stupid to read it
all again and again until it sinks in through that crumbling chunk of basalt
you call a skull, and into the tiny dog-turd that passes for your brain?

> (I'd love to hear this..)

It's already been posted dozens of times. And you never love to hear it,
it just enrages you and compels you to display your idiocy.

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff > wrote:
>On 4/09/2019 4:14 am, wrote:
>> geoff:
>>
>> You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
>> of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
>> bringing it up again with that Times article!
>
>Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
>most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
>relevant samples and graphics.

Thekman has a point here. Every time that topic gets breached here, it
turns into a flame war. Probably it is best not to mention it since it has
been worked into the ground already.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

Scott Dorsey:
RE: "flame war"

Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
generates flame wars. This is audio.production, not
politics, so loudness is one aspect of audio
production.

[None]

theccchhhhhmaaaaah < skidmark @ theckmatard . fu >
wrote in message
...

> Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
> generates flame wars.

Mostly because you keep circling back to ignite the brain farts
you always have with the subject. Really, go back and re-read
all the replies to your dumb-****ery in this n.g. If you still don't
understand, then you are clearly too stupid to ever understand.

You're like a toddler who keeps asking "are we there yet," except
that toddlers eventually grow up. You seem to be getting more
retarded as you age.

HDSJ. SLFIS. OSHE, SFKSH? LMREW! FCK,WARD!

[geoff]

On 4/09/2019 9:47 pm, wrote:
> geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
> most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
> relevant samples and graphics.
>
> Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
> issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
> misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "
>
> geoff"
>
>
> Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos are quite useful.
>
> So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
> misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting off".
>
> (I'd love to hear this..)
>


No sign that I've seen has indicated that you've ever learned the
difference between limiting and clipping, waveform and envelope.

If you actually have, then great.

Over and out.

geoff

[Trevor]

On 5/09/2019 12:20 pm, geoff wrote:
> On 4/09/2019 9:47 pm, wrote:
>> geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something
>> of interest to
>> most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
>> relevant samples and graphics.
>>
>> Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
>> issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
>> misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "
>>
>> geoff"
>>
>>
>> Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible
>> demos are quite useful.
>>
>> So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of
>> "half-truths, inaccuracies,
>> misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been
>> "shooting off".
>>
>> (I'd love to hear this..)
>>
>
>
> No sign that I've seen has indicated that you've ever learned the
> difference between limiting and clipping, waveform and envelope.
>
> If you actually have, then great.
>

Very unlikely, but that simply opens up a whole semantic debate given
limiting can be soft or hard, hard limiting can be clipping, or causes
it at least. An envelope is only an imaginary outline of a waveform etc.
However the real question is why do so many here realise he is stupid,
is never going to learn, yet don't bother to kill-file him? Masochists,
or just love slagging him off?

[[email protected]]

Alright geoff: What do you, personally, call this?...

http://www.gluonics.com/rod-stewart/cloud-nine-pilot.gif

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote: "However the real question is why do so many here realise he is stupid,
is never going to learn, yet don't bother to kill-file him? Masochists,
or just love slagging him off? "

Just WHO are you calling "stupid"?

Just because some of you are hung-up on terminology
instead of just helping to get across a concept, does not
mean anyone is "stupid" or can't learn.

Stupid is as stupid judges!

[None]

The village idiot, Theckmar Skidmark < tard @ dumb**** . shortbus. edu>
quacked in message
...
> Just WHO are you calling "stupid"?

It's pretty clear he's calling you stupid, stupid. You would have picked
up on that if you weren't so ****ing stupid.

> Just because some of you are hung-up on terminology
> instead of just helping to get across a concept, does not
> mean anyone is "stupid" or can't learn.

You sure are a whiny little turd! This is a clear example of how
you are too stupid (and/or too much of an asshole) to learn.
You try to blame your stupidity on others, and give mounds of
evidence that you are in fact too stupid to learn.

> Stupid is as stupid judges!

That's a really ****ing stupid think to say.

[John Williamson]

On 05/09/2019 10:42, wrote:

> Stupid is as stupid judges!
>
No, stupid is a stupid does. You continually demonstrate an
unwillingness or inability to learn.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[None]

****stain McLeodnesswours puked up message
...

> Alright geoff: What do you, personally, call this?...

> http://www.gluonics.com/rod-stewart/cloud-nine-pilot.gif

Isn’t that cute. The ugly and retarded kid is pretending to challenge
the grown-ups again.

[None]

Prudence wrote in message
...

> Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
> generates flame wars.

Just look at this thread. Geoff posted a link. The second post was
from some retarded dumb-**** asshole trying to turn it into a
flame war with his short-bus whining. That ****ing asshole is you,
"Prudence". Dumb ****.

[[email protected]]

Unlike most moderated forums, this newsgeoup is populated
largely by bullies(Williamson, geoff, Trevor) unwilling to share
information, or why they think terminology is so important.

[John Williamson]

On 05/09/2019 11:35, wrote:
> Unlike most moderated forums, this newsgeoup is populated
> largely by bullies(Williamson, geoff, Trevor) unwilling to share
> information, or why they think terminology is so important.
>
We share plenty of information. If you can't or don't wish to understand
that, it is your problem.

How *is* life under that bridge?

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

John Williamson wrote: "How *is* life under that bridge?"

What's that supposed to mean, bully?

[None]

Thick-mama wrote in message
...

> Unlike most moderated forums, this newsgeoup ...
Unlike most moderated forums, you haven't been banned for
being a recurring moronic trolling retard.

> ... unwilling to share information, ...
Many people have shared heaps of information with you.
They can explain it to you, but they can't understand it
for you. That's on you. Neither the NG nor anyone who
posts here owes you an education.

> ... or why they think terminology is so important.
Deep core stupidity. Proud defiant stupidity as a way of
life. But always blaming other for your failure, and always
filling your diaper with crybaby tantrums.

Of course, you like the way you're treated here. You keep
coming back for more, and many of us give you exactly what
you deserve and crave.

[None]

Skidmark wrote in message
...

> John Williamson wrote: "How *is* life under that bridge?"
> What's that supposed to mean, bully?

I don't think it can be explained to you, because you're a moron,
and also because your head is jammed so deeply up your asshole.

[geoff]

On 5/09/2019 9:39 pm, wrote:
> Alright geoff: What do you, personally, call this?...
>
> http://www.gluonics.com/rod-stewart/cloud-nine-pilot.gif
>

A song with a degree of hard limiting on peaks. Not hyper-compressed.
Impossible to tell if any clipping.

Sorry to bully you by answering.

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff wrote: "
A song with a degree of hard limiting on peaks. Not hyper-compressed.
Impossible to tell if any clipping.

Sorry to bully you by answering.

geoff "

Wrong answer McFly - Waveform or Envelope??

[geoff]

On 6/09/2019 12:13 pm, wrote:
> geoff wrote: "
> A song with a degree of hard limiting on peaks. Not hyper-compressed.
> Impossible to tell if any clipping.
>
> Sorry to bully you by answering.
>
> geoff "
>
> Wrong answer McFly - Waveform or Envelope??
>

Envelope. Cannot determine any waveforms from that.

geoff

[John Williamson]

On 06/09/2019 01:13, wrote:
> geoff wrote: "
> A song with a degree of hard limiting on peaks. Not hyper-compressed.
> Impossible to tell if any clipping.
>
> Sorry to bully you by answering.
>
> geoff "
>
> Wrong answer McFly - Waveform or Envelope??
>
As shown, envelope. Zoom right in to see the waveform, but we've told
you this many, many times before, and you still don't get it.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[None]

Theckma farted: wrote in message
...

> Wrong answer

The retarded dumb-**** is still pretending to school someone
who understands. Thus proving, yet again, that's he's not interested
in learning; he just wants to remind everyone that he's still a
****-stain moron from the short bus.

[[email protected]]

John Williamson wrote: "As shown, envelope. Zoom right in to see the waveform, but we've told "


Then you and geoff need to go on all the moderated audio forums
and correct the THOUSANDS of participants who refer to that
link as a waveform. Because the point of those threads is the topic
at hand - in the case of this thread, degredation of how pop music
sounds and the causes behind it - not nitpicking, ad infinitum over
what the visual representation of a song is called.

I'm not saying you two are wrong, I'm just saying you are spending
too much time on terminology when your audience has already
grasped the concept.

[None]

Theckhh-mamamamah blurted in message
...

> Then you and geoff need to go on all the moderated audio forums

Giving impotent orders, again, li'l buddy? Sending people on a dumb-****
mission to "all the moderated audio forums"? That's hilarious k00kery,
theck. Or have you actually been banned from each and every one if "all
the moderated audio forums" for being a retarded dumb-**** and all-round
turd in the punch bowl.

> not nitpicking, ad infinitum over
....
> I'm not saying you two are wrong, I'm just saying you are spending
> too much time on terminology when your audience has already
> grasped the concept.

You're the one who keeps bringing up this "terminology" issue, skid-mark.
You keep circling back around to this little issue. Nobody else seems as
obsessed with it as you are. You're the one who keeps nitpicking. You keep
bringing your brain-damaged obsession to this newsgroup, because every
where else you go, you get booted out on your sorry retarded ass.

And as always, you've proven, yet again, that you don't grasp the basic
concepts. And you never will. You're just too ****ing stupid.

[geoff]

On 6/09/2019 11:28 pm, wrote:
> John Williamson wrote: "As shown, envelope. Zoom right in to see the waveform, but we've told "
>
>
> Then you and geoff need to go on all the moderated audio forums
> and correct the THOUSANDS of participants who refer to that
> link as a waveform.

You would need to scroll out a hell of a lot more to see what could be
meaningfully described as a waveform.

Because the point of those threads is the topic
> at hand - in the case of this thread, degredation of how pop music
> sounds and the causes behind it - not nitpicking, ad infinitum over
> what the visual representation of a song is called.

At best (or worst) the demonstrated image shows something moderately
peak-limited. The peak limiting in that image is nothing close to what
could be described as heavy, let alone hyper, and the degree of overall
compression of individual musical elements cannot be discerned at all,
except to clearly see that it is nowhere near what is a common envelope
for today's hyper-compressed music.

>
> I'm not saying you two are wrong, I'm just saying you are spending
> too much time on terminology when your audience has already
> grasped the concept.
>

Erroneously grasped the concept.

geoff

[John Williamson]

On 06/09/2019 12:59, geoff wrote:

> At best (or worst) the demonstrated image shows something moderately
> peak-limited. The peak limiting in that image is nothing close to what
> could be described as heavy, let alone hyper, and the degree of overall
> compression of individual musical elements cannot be discerned at all,
> except to clearly see that it is nowhere near what is a common envelope
> for today's hyper-compressed music.
>
I actually downloaded the mp3 file and listened to it. It is a fairly
standard recording style and quality for the genre and period. The
"limiting" sounded like tape saturation.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[None]

Prudence R. Theckhmaha wrote in message
...

> ... according to you and others here.

And you're still obsessing about one little detail of terminology that
seems to fill your entire tiny mind with dumb-****ery. You're still
obsessed with proving that you're "right", while actually proving that
you don't have a clue. You obviously have no intention of ever actually
learning what you're blubbering about. But I guess you'll keep blubbering
to remind everyone that you're an idiot and an asshole.

KSO. FCK, WAFA!

[Bob Olhsson]

The proverbial elephant in the room is that really good musicians haven't been assured of a middle-class living since the 1970s.

Another part of the story is that during WW2 the U.S. military provided lessons and instruments to thousands of people based on merit alone. We and Great Britain also hosted thousands of Europe's finest musicians who were fleeing the fascists. They played in our orchestras and taught our children music. My wife actually took her high school violin lessons from the former concertmaster of La Scala.

Unfortunately, music has turned into a hobby. There is as much talent as ever but not nearly as much performance experience.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Bob Olhsson > wrote:
>The proverbial elephant in the room is that really good musicians haven't b=
>een assured of a middle-class living since the 1970s.
>
>Another part of the story is that during WW2 the U.S. military provided les=
>sons and instruments to thousands of people based on merit alone. We and Gr=
>eat Britain also hosted thousands of Europe's finest musicians who were fle=
>eing the fascists. They played in our orchestras and taught our children mu=
>sic. My wife actually took her high school violin lessons from the former c=
>oncertmaster of La Scala.
>
>Unfortunately, music has turned into a hobby. There is as much talent as ev=
>er but not nearly as much performance experience.

I'd say it's worse than that, Bob.

There are high grade professional musicians making a good living, and there
are hobbyists. But there is nothing in-between, and when there is nothing
in-between there is no route for hobbyists to become high grade professionals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

> There are high grade professional musicians making a good living, and there
> are hobbyists. But there is nothing in-between, and when there is nothing
> in-between there is no route for hobbyists to become high grade professionals.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott, are you still in WIlliamsburg +/- 15%?

I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musician community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar's quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the band plays.

You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two old guys in the balcony of the Muppets.

Best Regards,

Ty Ford

[Scott Dorsey]

Ty Ford > wrote:
>
>I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musicia=
>n community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in=
> DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts=
> at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar'=
>s quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christ=
>ina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the ban=
>d plays.

That's great! Are they making a living doing this or do they have day jobs?

>You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two ol=
>d guys in the balcony of the Muppets.

Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Ty Ford > wrote:
> >
> >I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musicia=
> >n community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in=
> > DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts=
> > at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar'=
> >s quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christ=
> >ina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the ban=
> >d plays.
>
> That's great! Are they making a living doing this or do they have day jobs?
>
> >You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two ol=
> >d guys in the balcony of the Muppets.
>
> Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

The others may not, but Josh does. Please pardon the vertical video, but in this case it was the only way to capture the entire keyboard. We'll be headed out to the Ashland Cafe to see him (again) on Sept. 21st. You'll need to book at least a week in advance. Get there around 6:30. Get dinner. Enjoy the show. They normally do three sets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I4F1NipMGo

The Seldom Scene had day jobs, as I recall. It didn't seem to take away from their music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seldom_Scene

Here in Baltimore, among many bands, "The Stone Hill Allstars" stands above many for their original music. This CD is one I really like. https://www.divideandconquermusic.com/indie-music-album-reviews/the-stone-hill-all-stars-away

Also....while I'm thinking about it, Germano's in Little Italy deserves a LOT of credit for booking live music upstairs. Scroll through the months.

http://germanospiattini.com/calendar-of-events/

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
..
>
> Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hahahahaha!

[Bob Olhsson]

"Original music" isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about high school kids in the 1950s and '60sgetting paid the equivalent of $500 in today's money every weekend EACH. As their so-called "cover" band became successful, they would slip some originals into their show. As they developed a "draw," assuming that happened, people would invest in their playing "on the road" to expand their fanbase and in a recording. With regional success came offers from record labels. If they failed, they still could earn $500 each a weekend playing covers and improving their skills.

This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today. The best of the best is who we hear on records from that era. Today, it's more like the best of the rich who play music full time.

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 12:14:52 PM UTC-4, Bob Olhsson wrote:
> "Original music" isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about high school kids in the 1950s and '60sgetting paid the equivalent of $500 in today's money every weekend EACH. As their so-called "cover" band became successful, they would slip some originals into their show. As they developed a "draw," assuming that happened, people would invest in their playing "on the road" to expand their fanbase and in a recording. With regional success came offers from record labels. If they failed, they still could earn $500 each a weekend playing covers and improving their skills.
>
> This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today. The best of the best is who we hear on records from that era. Today, it's more like the best of the rich who play music full time.

In the 1970's (and certainly in the 50s and 60s) most bands had to go to a recording studio to get anything decent.

We have plenty of week day and "weekend warrior" cover bands around Balt and DC; young and old er). Where are you, Bob?

"This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today." I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you extrapolate, please?

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Bob Olhsson]

I'm talking about musicians who started their performance career in the '50s and '60s. The ability of young musicians in the U.S. to earn a middle-class living went to hell in the early '70s.

[Bob Olhsson]

Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.

The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 8:02:39 PM UTC-4, Bob Olhsson wrote:
> Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.
>
> The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

I used to be asked by friends to join them at Open Mics. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting seven or more open mics here.

"Hey, let's drive to Frederick and play at the XX place!! It'll be GREAT!!!!"

Hmm, so let me get this right. We four get in a car around 6pm. Wade our way through the afternoon traffic up to Frederick fro an hour and a half, find a parking spot on Market Street. Pay to eat and drink. Play three songs each for the fun of it and get back home around midnight. Is that it?

YEAH!!

um, no thanks!. Good for the venue owner. Not so good for me. We have Open Mics a lot closer to me, but personally I'm just not that enthused about playing out.

And that was 10 years ago.

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Scott Dorsey]

Bob Olhsson > wrote:
>Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.

Right, that is the thing. There used to be plenty of venues for people to
make good money while practicing to better their craft. Everything from pit
orchestras to bar bands provided opportunity and paid a living wage.

>The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

That's only part of the problem. When I started out, we had a lot of
well-paying recording gigs for things like in-store muzak, and even
Army training films had composers, arrangers, and a small orchestra
on the payroll. That's gone.

But also when I started out, we had a whole lot of European musicians who
had come here as refugees before or after WWII, who were very seriously
trained in an environment that never did exist in this country. Those
people have mostly died off.

But it's still pretty amazing to work with some of the eastern European
orchestras. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
pop world.
--scott
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[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

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But it's still pretty amazing to work with some of the eastern European
orchestras. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
pop world.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hence the old joke: how do you get a guitarist to turn down?
Put a piece of sheet music in front of them.

;-)
Poly

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[Bob Olhsson]

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 7:18:12 PM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
> the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
> pop world.

It did back in the days of session players. In Nashville. you just played them a song and in most cases, they memorized it with no chart needed. The problem with rock bands is that they typically only had one or maybe two truly great musicians in them.

[Scott Dorsey]

Bob Olhsson > wrote:
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>It did back in the days of session players. In Nashville. you just played them a song and in most cases, they memorized it with no chart needed. The problem with rock bands is that they typically only had one or maybe two truly great musicians in them.

Well, there have been lots of Fabians and Menudos over the years too.
--scott
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[Bob Olhsson]

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 6:29:29 PM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Well, there have been lots of Fabians and Menudos over the years too.

I'd argue we are in the longest period of Fabiosity ever! We have no effective indi labels and most live venues are controlled by the Bill Graham crowd. It's like the '50s when the old big band promoters ran everything.