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I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones...
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/takeme2thepilot.mp3
Jack.
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/takeme2thepilot.mp3
>
>
> Jack.
p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! :)
Jack
jtees4
August 19th 17, 03:29 PM
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones...
>>
>> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/takeme2thepilot.mp3
>>
>>
>> Jack.
>
>p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! :)
>
>Jack
Tru Dat!
John Williamson
August 19th 17, 06:16 PM
On 19/08/2017 15:29, jtees4 wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>> p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! :)
>>
>> Jack
>
> Tru Dat!
>
The best mixes sound good on speakers and "outside your head" on
headphones. They also sound good on phone speakers and full on disco
systems running with full bass. This is why it takes days to mix a two
minute track at times.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 19/08/2017 15:29, jtees4 wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >
> >> p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! :)
> >>
> >> Jack
> >
> > Tru Dat!
> >
> The best mixes sound good on speakers and "outside your head" on
> headphones. They also sound good on phone speakers and full on disco
> systems running with full bass. This is why it takes days to mix a two
> minute track at times.
Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
Jack
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, jtees4 wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> I hear it too often, especially with wide stereo, sounds okay with speakers, but weak with headphones...
> >>
> >> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/takeme2thepilot.mp3
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack.
> >
> >p.s. What I wanted to state, when you hear just one stereo speaker, each ear hears it. Not the same with Headphones, only one ear hears that Left or Right Stereo content. Why I feel it's best to check Stereo mixes with both speakers and headphones. Just a friendly word of caution!! :)
> >
> >Jack
>
> Tru Dat!
Headphones: Sometimes, the "stereo" is a tad too much!..
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/greenriver-s.mp3
Jack
It is easier to hear the effects of panning through
cans. The same pan setting will sound wider
out there through headphones than over a pair
of speakers. Mixing only through headphones
may result in shallow, mono-y mixes when the
final product is played over normally spaced
speakers.
John Williamson
August 21st 17, 03:12 PM
On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
> Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
>
If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental.
A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer
vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older
stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your
ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels.
The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes
when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B
them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono.
> But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
>
That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds
to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
>
> > Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
> >
> If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental.
> A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer
> vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older
> stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your
> ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels.
>
> The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes
> when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B
> them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono.
>
> > But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
> >
>
> That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
> consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
> good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds
> to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
> stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.
>
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.
You can never really tell how good or how bad a mix is until you mix it yourself.
Look at Giles Martin, somehow manged to get a never heard tambourine in Penney Lane song!! What sound masking (I call it) does.
Jack
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 8:22:24 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> It is easier to hear the effects of panning through
> cans. The same pan setting will sound wider
> out there through headphones than over a pair
> of speakers. Mixing only through headphones
> may result in shallow
I'd claim just the opposite.
Jack
, mono-y mixes when the
> final product is played over normally spaced
> speakers.
Trevor
August 22nd 17, 09:33 AM
On 22/08/2017 12:12 AM, John Williamson wrote:
> On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
>> But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
>>
>
> That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
> consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
> good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds
> to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
> stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.
As if you can make one mix that will sound great in all those
environments. The best you can do is a mix that will not sound too
terrible in any of them. Frankly I wish more audio was just
mixed/mastered for good sound systems, since the others (except good
headphones) are going to sound crap anyway. So I'd always check on
headphones, but not car speakers myself. With such a huge variation in
sound from so many different cars and also many after market sound
systems, some with giant sub woofers and some with only 4" speakers,
it's always seemed pointless to me.
Trevor.
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
>
> > Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
> >
> If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental.
> A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer
> vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older
> stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your
> ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels.
>
> The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes
> when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B
> them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono.
>
> > But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
> >
>
> That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
> consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
> good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers
Excellent point, John! I used cheap Dell brand speakers at work to test my audio enhancing. I want the sound loud enough to comfortably fill a 30 foot X 30 foot office (room). Bass is usually the killer. Cheap speakers resonate, but MANY people use similar in this computer age.
Jack
in cheap earbuds
> to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
> stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target..
>
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 9:51:59 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> > On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
> > >
> > If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental.
> > A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer
> > vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older
> > stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your
> > ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels.
> >
> > The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes
> > when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B
> > them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono.
> >
> > > But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers..
> > >
> >
> > That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
> > consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
> > good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers
>
>
> Excellent point, John! I used cheap Dell brand speakers at work to test my audio enhancing. I want the sound loud enough to comfortably fill a 30 foot X 30 foot office (room). Bass is usually the killer. Cheap speakers resonate, but MANY people use similar in this computer age.
>
> Jack
>
>
> in cheap earbuds
> > to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
> > stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tciao for Now!
> >
> > John.
p.s. I wanted to add, since mixing is the Subject. A 60's group, Bubble Puppy, had an international hit (loved it). Sadly, master tapes disappeared for CD. Anyway, from the founder of the band, he told me they use car speakers to mix the song, since they felt that's where most people would hear the song, in a car!!
Jack
jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite.
Jack "
sigh....
Of course YOU would!
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite.
>
> Jack "
>
> sigh....
>
> Of course YOU would!
Have YOU mixed anything to stereo?
Jack
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite.
>
> Jack "
>
> sigh....
>
> Of course YOU would!
Not to sound like a wise as*...
Let's start with the basics, why people enjoy stereophonic sound. Remember reading those numerous articles? No, you won't find any, at least I have never seen any!! Some things in life, you must answer your own questions, because a LOT of people have no idea why they were instructed to mix to stereo..
Just making a statement.
Jack
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> jjaj wrote: "I'd claim just the opposite.
>
> Jack "
>
> sigh....
>
> Of course YOU would!
Why I receive this....
Hey Jack, I love your remastering on Angelfire.com and would like to try doing this also.
What program do you use (is it Mac) and were do you get the original trax from ? I’ve searched the net but cant find any.
Best Regards
Rory
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 21/08/2017 12:19, wrote:
>
> > Sounds like the dude who took a year and a half to remix The Eagles songs, that I have yet to hear any remixing.
> >
> If the original mix was good, any improvement will only be incremental.
> A bit more attack on the drums, smoother sustains and fades, clearer
> vocals and instruments by using modern processing rather than the older
> stuff. That sort of thing. You may only realise the difference when your
> ears get less tired after prolonged listening at high levels.
>
> The latest Beatles remixes sound exactly like the original mono mixes
> when you play them in isolation, apart from being stereo, but if you A-B
> them, the new ones sound better even when summed to mono.
>
> > But, to be fair, it's best to check with both headphones and speakers.
> >
>
> That's all you need to do when you are doing it as a hobby for your own
> consumption, but when you are being paid for it, it needs to sound as
> good as possible on all systems from the tiny speakers in cheap earbuds
> to the ultimate high end hifi systems favoured by audiophools, via the
> stupidy bass heavy systems in discos and many cars, if that's your target.
>
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.
This didn't sound that great on Japan CD, hurt my ears. I adjusted with headphones, but at work with little speakers, I noticed it lacked bass. Blows my mind how nice it could have sounded. Couldn't even hear the tambourine!!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/temptationeyes.mp3
Jack
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