How much is live?

[mcp6453[_2_]]

How much, if any, of this performance is live?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY

If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.

[Scott Dorsey]

mcp6453 > wrote:
>How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
>If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.

Vocals might be real. Drums probably aren't. Fiddles aren't, unless they
have found some miraculous invisible gobo to control the fiddle leakage.
Cellos are evident on the audio but not in the shot.
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[Nil[_2_]]

On 13 Feb 2017, (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY

> Vocals might be real. Drums probably aren't. Fiddles aren't,
> unless they have found some miraculous invisible gobo to control
> the fiddle leakage. Cellos are evident on the audio but not in the
> shot. --scott

I only had a chance to listen through earbuds, but I thought I detected
a percussion/click track that nobody onstage seemed to be playing. If
so, almost anything else we're hearing could be on the track. I thought
at first the drums were real, but they cut the camera away so often
that we never got a good look (which is itself probably evidence that
they were pre-recorded.) It looked like the keyboard player was playing
an old Fender Rhodes, but the sound I heard was that of an acoustic
piano, or digital recreation thereof. I didn't notice that the cellos
were missing onstage, but I'm not surprised.

I thought that kind of annoying quick-cut video direction had gone out
of style, but apparently not. It's good for obfuscation, I guess.

I vote for vocals live, everything else on tape.

I liked the song and arrangement.

[geoff]

On 14/02/2017 12:40 AM, mcp6453 wrote:
> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.
>


If you want real then watch ' Later - With Jools Holland '.

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

Nil > wrote:
>
>I vote for vocals live, everything else on tape.

Which isn't bad. 30 years ago the vocals would have been lipsynched because
it would have been impossible to do the vocal effects live. Today the fake
reverb just comes out of a box.

>I liked the song and arrangement.

It is good, isn't it? The vocal was good too.
--scott
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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:09:34 -0500, Nil
> wrote:

>On 13 Feb 2017, (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
>rec.audio.pro:
>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
>> Vocals might be real. Drums probably aren't. Fiddles aren't,
>> unless they have found some miraculous invisible gobo to control
>> the fiddle leakage. Cellos are evident on the audio but not in the
>> shot. --scott
>
>I only had a chance to listen through earbuds, but I thought I detected
>a percussion/click track that nobody onstage seemed to be playing. If
>so, almost anything else we're hearing could be on the track. I thought
>at first the drums were real, but they cut the camera away so often
>that we never got a good look (which is itself probably evidence that
>they were pre-recorded.) It looked like the keyboard player was playing
>an old Fender Rhodes, but the sound I heard was that of an acoustic
>piano, or digital recreation thereof. I didn't notice that the cellos
>were missing onstage, but I'm not surprised.
>
>I thought that kind of annoying quick-cut video direction had gone out
>of style, but apparently not. It's good for obfuscation, I guess.
>
>I vote for vocals live, everything else on tape.
>
I might go for that if he was wearing IEMs, but no - he was listening
to music on the stage. I know that the Graham Norton show prides
itself on genuinely live music, and Elbow are technically well up to
it. The strings were certainly playing, but I think they were enhanced
by some synth.

d

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[JackA]

On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 6:40:58 AM UTC-5, mcp6453 wrote:
> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.

Love the drummer, darn fine performance!...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHZzIqyMh4

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 13-02-2017 12:40, mcp6453 wrote:
> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.
>


vox is real, drums visually so precise that I think they too are real.
Bass looks out of sync. Guitar dunno. Strings sound like a good quality
canned product, violin sound alone without looking at the image is a bit
sharp and not what one would expect out of a can, I opt for "cello synth
enhanced" as someone else. Mostly real it appears. But I can't make
heads or tails of how they got it to work. Impressive.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[mcp6453[_2_]]

On 2/13/2017 6:40 AM, mcp6453 wrote:
> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.
>

It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.

[geoff]

On 15/02/2017 2:58 PM, mcp6453 wrote:
> On 2/13/2017 6:40 AM, mcp6453 wrote:
>> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>>
>> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen.
>> However, I'm quite skeptical.
>>
>
> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.
>


Just watched another "Later - With Jools Holland' , and that's
definitely all live. And great musicianship. And nice mics. And
fantastic production. And a wide variety of adult-orientated music over
a range of genres. And interesting interviews with interesting people.

By any chance do you get the impression I enjoy the show immensely ?

geoff

[Nil[_2_]]

mcp6453 > Wrote in message:

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY

> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.

How do you know?

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[Phil W]

"geoff":
>
> Just watched another "Later - With Jools Holland' , and that's
> definitely all live. And great musicianship. And nice mics. And
> fantastic production. And a wide variety of adult-orientated music over
> a range of genres. And interesting interviews with interesting people.

Well described.

> By any chance do you get the impression I enjoy the show immensely ?

hardly ;-)

[mcp6453[_2_]]

On 2/15/2017 7:33 AM, Nil wrote:
> mcp6453 > Wrote in message:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
>> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.
>
> How do you know?
>

I asked technical a guy who was in the studio at the time.

[JackA]

On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 6:40:58 AM UTC-5, mcp6453 wrote:
> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.

I'd rather it be phrased, how much was prerecorded. "Live"? Everything is recorded live, even in studios, if you follow my madness, but some use "live" recordings, such as at concerts.

Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

mcp6453 > wrote:
>On 2/13/2017 6:40 AM, mcp6453 wrote:
>> How much, if any, of this performance is live?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>>
>> If it is all live, it's the best live TV production I've seen. However, I'm quite skeptical.
>>
>
>It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.

Which makes sense. And the vocal was right on.
--scott
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[gareth magennis]

"mcp6453" wrote in message
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On 2/15/2017 7:33 AM, Nil wrote:
> mcp6453 > Wrote in message:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
>> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.
>
> How do you know?
>

I asked technical a guy who was in the studio at the time.






Looks like they edited out the Count-in.


Gareth.

[geoff]

On 16/02/2017 4:35 a.m., mcp6453 wrote:
> On 2/15/2017 7:33 AM, Nil wrote: >> mcp6453 > Wrote in message: >> >>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY >> >>> It turns out that it
was a track with a live vocal. >> >> How do you know? >> > > I asked
technical a guy who was in the studio at the time.

Didn't the leakage from the string section into the vocal mic make
things a little weird ? Or was that maybe the string-synth element
suggested ?

geoff

[gareth magennis]

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"mcp6453" wrote in message
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On 2/15/2017 7:33 AM, Nil wrote:
> mcp6453 > Wrote in message:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY
>
>> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal.
>
> How do you know?
>

I asked technical a guy who was in the studio at the time.






Looks like they edited out the Count-in.


Gareth.







Crucially, if that is true then the whole video may have been edited.
Perhaps containing shots taken in rehearsals.


Gareth.

[JackA]

Nice logic!

[mcp6453[_2_]]

On 2/15/2017 5:08 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 16/02/2017 4:35 a.m., mcp6453 wrote:
>> On 2/15/2017 7:33 AM, Nil wrote: >> mcp6453 > Wrote in message: >> >>>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbZLxymc5XY >> >>> It turns out that it was a track with a live vocal. >> >> How do you
> know? >> > > I asked technical a guy who was in the studio at the time.
>
> Didn't the leakage from the string section into the vocal mic make things a little weird ? Or was that maybe the
> string-synth element suggested ?

I don't have any more information than I reported.