Shure V15 super sensitive

[Max Metral]

I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure V15vXMR
cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there are
some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records play
just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges. Oddly,
it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it goes,
but that's not a statistical impression.

It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
workable solution.

Any ideas? Too much tracking force? Too little? Too much brush?

Desperate,
--Max

[Jim Gilliland]

Max Metral wrote:
> I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure V15vXMR
> cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
> just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there are
> some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records play
> just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges. Oddly,
> it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it goes,
> but that's not a statistical impression.
>
> It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
> headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
> workable solution.
>
> Any ideas? Too much tracking force? Too little? Too much brush?

Have you got the tonearm set correctly for anti-skating?

[Edi Zubovic]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:24:29 -0400, "Max Metral" >
wrote:

>I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure V15vXMR
>cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
>just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there are
>some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records play
>just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges. Oddly,
>it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it goes,
>but that's not a statistical impression.
>
>It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
>headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
>workable solution.
>
>Any ideas? Too much tracking force? Too little? Too much brush?
>
>Desperate,
>--Max
>

Oh Max, don't do that with a Shure V15! It's made for tracking at 0,75
to 1,25 gram only. Are you using the V15's brush damper too?
I'd normally set it up by carefully balancing the tone-arm, first
levelling it and then fine-tuning the tracking weight* with help of a
stylus balance eg. Shure SFG-2 to 1 gram or so. Then I'd use a test
disk with a blank surface for setting up the anti-skating force
exactly. The VX15 has an extremely fine tip and owing to that, setting
the anti-skating dial (if Sony tonearm has it) to match the tracking
force usually won't suffice. Try setting the anti-skating somewhat
harder, but not much.

Also check the tone-arm to ensure it's moving really freely both
horizontally and vertically. Check the bearings and if neccesary and
if possible, add a tiny drop od a very fine oil to each of them (I
don't know what type of bearings Sony tonearm has).

* Well, I like Duals. They have a "dynamically balanced tonerarm"
where you balance it first and simply set the tracking force by a dial
which make the spiral spring press the stylus down exactly at desired
force and hence it's truly a "Tracking Force" principle. Only a few
tonearm manufacturers adopted such a good principle, beside Dual it's
EMT and a handful of others, Empire I think and Denon (they made an
interesting solution to make VTF electromagnetically) and some others.

Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

[Kalman Rubinson]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:24:32 +0200, Edi Zubovic
> wrote:

>* Well, I like Duals. They have a "dynamically balanced tonerarm"
>where you balance it first and simply set the tracking force by a dial
>which make the spiral spring press the stylus down exactly at desired
>force and hence it's truly a "Tracking Force" principle. Only a few
>tonearm manufacturers adopted such a good principle, beside Dual it's
>EMT and a handful of others, Empire I think and Denon (they made an
>interesting solution to make VTF electromagnetically) and some others.

Also ESL, Ortofon, Rega, and many others including, FYI, some Sonys.

Kal

[Rob Adelman]

Kalman Rubinson wrote:


> Also ESL, Ortofon, Rega, and many others including, FYI, some Sonys.


Seems like my Micro-Seiki works this way.

[Kalman Rubinson]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:49:51 -0500, Rob Adelman
> wrote:

>
>
>Kalman Rubinson wrote:
>
>
>> Also ESL, Ortofon, Rega, and many others including, FYI, some Sonys.
>
>
>Seems like my Micro-Seiki works this way.

Actually, except for unipivots and parallel-trackers, dynamic balance
is more or less the standard.

Kal

[Scott Dorsey]

Max Metral > wrote:
>I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure V15vXMR
>cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
>just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there are
>some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records play
>just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges. Oddly,
>it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it goes,
>but that's not a statistical impression.

Your cartridge is out of alignment, or the cantelever is damaged. Or it's
not the right cartridge for that arm and the fundamental resonance is way
too low (in which case you will be able to see the thing gradoing up and down
constantly while playing).

The center of the record is always harder to track because the linear velocity
is much slower.

>It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
>headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
>workable solution.

Tracking too heavily will damage those cartridges.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Edi Zubovic]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:51:29 -0400, Kalman Rubinson >
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:49:51 -0500, Rob Adelman
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Kalman Rubinson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Also ESL, Ortofon, Rega, and many others including, FYI, some Sonys.
>>
>>
>>Seems like my Micro-Seiki works this way.
>
>Actually, except for unipivots and parallel-trackers, dynamic balance
>is more or less the standard.
>
>Kal

Thanks for the information; I don't remember many of the models so I
ought to have said "I _think_ only a handful" etcetc. I've seen far
more tonearms with a dial ring at the counterweight than those without
such a ring; I must have looked at lower end products.

Edi Zubovic

[Max Metral]

I only did it for a second, I was ****ed. :)

It was just serviced and balanced and all that (which adds to the
frustration), but the tech did say there was something missing with the
anti-skate system. But I just asked them today and they said it was
extremely unlikely the skipping had anything to do with the anti-skate issue
given the relative forces involved. (although I admit I don't see why it
wouldn't)

"Edi Zubovic" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:24:29 -0400, "Max Metral" >
> wrote:
>
> >I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure
V15vXMR
> >cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
> >just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there
are
> >some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records
play
> >just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges.
Oddly,
> >it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it
goes,
> >but that's not a statistical impression.
> >
> >It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
> >headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
> >workable solution.
> >
> >Any ideas? Too much tracking force? Too little? Too much brush?
> >
> >Desperate,
> >--Max
> >
>
> Oh Max, don't do that with a Shure V15! It's made for tracking at 0,75
> to 1,25 gram only. Are you using the V15's brush damper too?
> I'd normally set it up by carefully balancing the tone-arm, first
> levelling it and then fine-tuning the tracking weight* with help of a
> stylus balance eg. Shure SFG-2 to 1 gram or so. Then I'd use a test
> disk with a blank surface for setting up the anti-skating force
> exactly. The VX15 has an extremely fine tip and owing to that, setting
> the anti-skating dial (if Sony tonearm has it) to match the tracking
> force usually won't suffice. Try setting the anti-skating somewhat
> harder, but not much.
>
> Also check the tone-arm to ensure it's moving really freely both
> horizontally and vertically. Check the bearings and if neccesary and
> if possible, add a tiny drop od a very fine oil to each of them (I
> don't know what type of bearings Sony tonearm has).
>
> * Well, I like Duals. They have a "dynamically balanced tonerarm"
> where you balance it first and simply set the tracking force by a dial
> which make the spiral spring press the stylus down exactly at desired
> force and hence it's truly a "Tracking Force" principle. Only a few
> tonearm manufacturers adopted such a good principle, beside Dual it's
> EMT and a handful of others, Empire I think and Denon (they made an
> interesting solution to make VTF electromagnetically) and some others.
>
> Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

[William Sommerwerck]

> The center of the record is always harder to track
> because the linear velocity is much slower.

Scott... How could you...

Did you mean that, as the linear velocity was lower, tracing distortion was
higher? That's certainly true, as tracing distortion is wavelength-related.

But tracking (that is, keeping the stylus in contact with the groove) is
signal-velocity related, and that has nothing to do with radius.

[William Sommerwerck]

> It was just serviced and balanced and all that (which adds to
> the frustration), but the tech did say there was something
> missing with the anti-skate system. But I just asked them
> today and they said it was extremely unlikely the skipping
> had anything to do with the anti-skate issue given the relative
> forces involved. (Though I admit I don't see why it wouldn't.)

The lack of any anti-skating compensation would have little or no effect on
skipping. You'd have to have extreme over-compensation for anti-skating to cause
skipping.

[Marc Wielage]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:24:29 -0700, Max Metral wrote
(in message >):

> I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure V15vXMR
> cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
> just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there are
> some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always.
<--------------------------------snip-------------------------------->

I use a Shure V15 Type V-MR all the time, and it never skips. I'm tracking
at about 1.5 grams (which is a skosh heavy, but not ridiculous), and I'm
careful to make sure the anti-skating control is precisely set.

Assuming the VPI is doing its job, the stylus should have no problem tracking
the material, unless the record is hopelessly scratched. I would tend to
suspect the Sony turntable; for my money, the Sony's were never that great.
I think a decent Thorens (for about the same dough) would be better, and I've
also used the higher-end Technics SP10 models with good results.

--MFW

[P Stamler]

Something to remember is that the brush eats up half a gram of tracking force.
So if you set the dial for 1.25 grams and engage the brush, you're actually
getting 0.75 grams tracking force. That's marginal, even on a V15. And if you
have a tonearm with slightly high friction, or too low a resonance point, or
both, you'll get skipping.

Even with the tracking force set right, a high-friction tone arm could be the
problem. I'd be less inclined to suspect the resonance point, since the brush
damps the resonance pretty effectively.

Peace,
Paul

[Edi Zubovic]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:24:03 -0400, "Max Metral" >
wrote:

>I only did it for a second, I was ****ed. :)
>
>It was just serviced and balanced and all that (which adds to the
>frustration), but the tech did say there was something missing with the
>anti-skate system. But I just asked them today and they said it was
>extremely unlikely the skipping had anything to do with the anti-skate issue
>given the relative forces involved. (although I admit I don't see why it
>wouldn't)

----

-- But Shure V15 is an high compliance cartridge, so it's ridiculous
elastic. Here, anything counts, anti-skating compensation for sure (no
pun intended) too. I would fix the cartridge to a mount and try the
luck with the Technics turntable and its tonearm. And yes, if you use
the brush, you have to change the settings accordingly, subtracting
1/2 grams. Also check other things for reduced distorsion, check the
overhang by means of the protractor attached, set the vertical
tracking angle (for better channel balance and stereo separation) etc.
Once set properly, the cartridge tracks fine on good and clean records
(the only groove to expel the tip has reportedly been a +18 dB test
with ridiculously high velocity).

Here is a link to Shure's installation manuals etc.

http://www.shure.com/datasheets/guides-phono.html#M97XE


Good luck, Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

[Max Metral]

How would I check the cantelever?

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> Max Metral > wrote:
> >I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure
V15vXMR
> >cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
> >just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there
are
> >some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always. The records
play
> >just fine on my tank-like Technics 1200 with Stanton 680 cartridges.
Oddly,
> >it seems it happens "more" the deeper into the center of the record it
goes,
> >but that's not a statistical impression.
>
> Your cartridge is out of alignment, or the cantelever is damaged. Or it's
> not the right cartridge for that arm and the fundamental resonance is way
> too low (in which case you will be able to see the thing gradoing up and
down
> constantly while playing).
>
> The center of the record is always harder to track because the linear
velocity
> is much slower.
>
> >It's so annoying I've even tried putting a penny on top of the damn
> >headshell. Playing the vinyl wet seems to help a bit, but this isn't a
> >workable solution.
>
> Tracking too heavily will damage those cartridges.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Max Metral > wrote:
>How would I check the cantelever?

Look at it with a magnifier. Is it bent? Is the tube kinked? If so,
you have damaged it. These things are delicate. They aren't DJ cartridges.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Max Metral]

So this Sony headshell has a missing "handle" to pick it up, and the tonearm
lifter sucks rocks and doesn't work when the arm reaches the center of the
table. As a result, I have to pickup the headshell manually (carefully of
course).

But I'm wondering if somehow the cantilever could have been bent at its
base. I can't see that I don't think, is there some stock angle the stylus
should be at relative to the cart?

"Max Metral" > wrote in message
...
> Forget my progress, still skipping.
>
> yes, I have the manual, I reran the calibration to the best of my ability,
> although I don't know that I have the proper tools to really do the
> "clockwise" balancing.
>
>
> "Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Max Metral > wrote:
> > >1) The Sony headshell basically can "spin" in the socket. I think it
was
> a
> > >little off "counter clockwise", although it's incredibly hard to tell.
I
> > >rotated it slightly, and on one test record the skipping stopped.
> >
> > This is one of the important things that needs to be adjusted when you
do
> > the standard calibration.
> >
> > >2) I was under the assumption the tracking weight was "screwed down",
and
> > >had noticed it was set at 2.5, but figured it had been adjusted that
way
> > >because the number wasn't fully accurate given other settings or
> something.
> > >It's not screwed down, perhaps I bumped it or something. I moved it
back
> to
> > >1.5. This also seemed to calm the skipping a bit, although the exact
> order
> > >of all my changes is fuzzy to me now. (Is there any way this 2.5
numeric
> > >setting was right?)
> >
> > Okay, the way these things work is that you set the dial to zero. Then
> you
> > adjust the weight until the arm swings to a horizontal position and does
> not
> > rise or fall (ie. the cartridge and the weight are in balance. Then you
> lock
> > the weight down. Now, when you adjust the dial, you will be getting the
> > force indicated on the dial.
> >
> > Do you have the manual for the arm which talks about how to do the
> standard
> > calibration?
> > --scott
> >
> >
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
>

[Max Metral]

I have a Thorens 125 table, but a Sony tonearm. What arm are you using?
Maybe my solution is to burn this Sony PUA-ce of crap.

"Marc Wielage" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:24:29 -0700, Max Metral wrote
> (in message >):
>
> > I'm digitizing vinyl and using a VPI record cleaner and a new Shure
V15vXMR
> > cartridge on a Thorens 125 with a Sony tonearm. Lately, although it may
> > just be me catching it more, it seems to skip *a lot*. Usually, there
are
> > some minor imperfections on the surface, but not always.
> <--------------------------------snip-------------------------------->
>
> I use a Shure V15 Type V-MR all the time, and it never skips. I'm
tracking
> at about 1.5 grams (which is a skosh heavy, but not ridiculous), and I'm
> careful to make sure the anti-skating control is precisely set.
>
> Assuming the VPI is doing its job, the stylus should have no problem
tracking
> the material, unless the record is hopelessly scratched. I would tend to
> suspect the Sony turntable; for my money, the Sony's were never that
great.
> I think a decent Thorens (for about the same dough) would be better, and
I've
> also used the higher-end Technics SP10 models with good results.
>
> --MFW
>

[Kalman Rubinson]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:52:18 -0400, "Max Metral" >
wrote:

>I have a Thorens 125 table, but a Sony tonearm. What arm are you using?
>Maybe my solution is to burn this Sony PUA-ce of crap.

MY PUA-286 works beautifully. Perhaps yours is damaged.

KR

[Max Metral]

Definitely a possibility, but unfortunately I'm still in the same place...
Paid the $100+ to get everything fixed and tuned and the thing still
skips... I've got a Thorens 160 with the stock arm and an AT440ML being
repaired now, if that one doesn't have the same problem then I can't think
of much else to look for. (I may swap carts, maybe the 440 won't be as
sensitive.)

"Kalman Rubinson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:52:18 -0400, "Max Metral" >
> wrote:
>
> >I have a Thorens 125 table, but a Sony tonearm. What arm are you using?
> >Maybe my solution is to burn this Sony PUA-ce of crap.
>
> MY PUA-286 works beautifully. Perhaps yours is damaged.
>
> KR

[William Sommerwerck]

I've avoided saying anything 'til now, because my remarks tend to be
hyper-critical and overly judgemental.

This is NOT normal behavior for a phono system, even if you picked an arm and
pickup completely at random. Clearly, something is wrong with the equipment, or
the way it's set up.

You need to find someone who's familiar with phono systems. This kind of
remote-control diagnosis is not going to hack it.

If you'd tell us where you live, perhaps someone in this group could stop by and
help out.

[Marc Wielage]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 8:52:18 -0700, Max Metral wrote
(in message >):

> I have a Thorens 125 table, but a Sony tonearm. What arm are you using?
> Maybe my solution is to burn this Sony PUA-ce of crap.
<--------------------------------snip-------------------------------->

I don't think the Sony arm is necessarily that bad. One thing you really
should do is a) get the manual for this turntable and make sure it's set up
correctly, and b) get a stylus tracking force gauge and check to see what
you're really tracking at.

If the tonearm weight got "bumped" as you say, then the gram weight displayed
may not be accurate. Get the Shure SFG-2 Stylus Pressure Gauge, which is
available for under $20 from this company:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=SHUGAUGE

Use the gauge to check the actual gram weight, and that'll tell you for sure
what's going on. What Edi Zubovic says elsewhere is also correct: if you
use the V15 Type V cartridge with the brush, it does throw off the weight by
..5 grams. So that means to get a true 1.5 pressure, you actually have to set
it to 2 grams.

If you also have a Thorens 160, I would definitely try that instead. My
experience is that those are better turntables overall, assuming they have
good belts and are in decent shape.

--MFW

[Max Metral]

Thanks. I live in Boston if anybody is nearby. In my defense, that's why I
took it in to get professionally adjusted and "tuned up". There's another
possibility, which I can verify when I get the TD160 back. I've been
digitizing things mostly by artist. The skipping is happening mostly on
records from a certain label, it could be that these are just badly pressed
records (although they work in the Technics so maybe that theory isn't so
great).

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
...
> I've avoided saying anything 'til now, because my remarks tend to be
> hyper-critical and overly judgemental.
>
> This is NOT normal behavior for a phono system, even if you picked an arm
and
> pickup completely at random. Clearly, something is wrong with the
equipment, or
> the way it's set up.
>
> You need to find someone who's familiar with phono systems. This kind of
> remote-control diagnosis is not going to hack it.
>
> If you'd tell us where you live, perhaps someone in this group could stop
by and
> help out.
>

[Scott Dorsey]

Max Metral > wrote:
>Thanks. I live in Boston if anybody is nearby. In my defense, that's why I
>took it in to get professionally adjusted and "tuned up". There's another
>possibility, which I can verify when I get the TD160 back. I've been
>digitizing things mostly by artist. The skipping is happening mostly on
>records from a certain label, it could be that these are just badly pressed
>records (although they work in the Technics so maybe that theory isn't so
>great).

Get up close and play one of those records and watch the stylus. See what
it's doing. Is it riding nice and smoothly, or is it gradoing back and forth
or up-and down?
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Max Metral]

ok, I did this (got up close during a skip). It's riding pretty smoothly, a
little back and forth in a very slow manner, i.e. the record hole being ever
so slightly off center I would assume. (This occurs on records that skip
and records that don't)

I also got the TD160 with the AT440ML back, and the same record in the same
spot (that I tried 10 times on the Shure, with brush up, brush down, wet,
dry, etc), and it works fine. To recap:

TD125, Shure V15, with Sony PUA tonearm: skips in various configurations on
a given record
TD160, Thorens arm, AT440ML: plays fine on two records that skipped on Shure

Is it a worthwhile test to exchange the headshell/catridge pairs or is there
too much fiddling with the mount on the shell that would need to be done?
It could very well be that something is wrong with the Shure, anybody had
experience with their "support" folks? Do I have a chance?

Bonus/Latest freakin' problem: a slight hum from the right channel of the
TD160, that occurs even when the unit is off and unplugged, but plugged into
the phono preamp. I.e. this truth table:

NAD PP-1 on, TD160 connected, power connected but not on: HUM
PP-1 on, TD160 NOT connected: NO HUM
PP-1 on, TD160 connected, power NOT connected: HUM

Thoughts?

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> Max Metral > wrote:
> >Thanks. I live in Boston if anybody is nearby. In my defense, that's
why I
> >took it in to get professionally adjusted and "tuned up". There's
another
> >possibility, which I can verify when I get the TD160 back. I've been
> >digitizing things mostly by artist. The skipping is happening mostly on
> >records from a certain label, it could be that these are just badly
pressed
> >records (although they work in the Technics so maybe that theory isn't so
> >great).
>
> Get up close and play one of those records and watch the stylus. See what
> it's doing. Is it riding nice and smoothly, or is it gradoing back and
forth
> or up-and down?
> --scott
>
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[P Stamler]

>It could very well be that something is wrong with the Shure, anybody had
>experience with their "support" folks? Do I have a chance?

I've had good luck with them the times I've dealt with them. Usually it was for
pro gear, but one time I sent them a stylus assembly that had collapsed of its
own accord. They sent me a new one, no charge, no hassle.

By the way, in which direction is it skipping? Forward or backward?

Peace.
Paul

[Peter Larsen]

Max Metral wrote:

> ok, I did this (got up close during a skip). It's riding pretty smoothly, a
> little back and forth in a very slow manner, i.e. the record hole being ever
> so slightly off center I would assume. (This occurs on records that skip
> and records that don't)

> I also got the TD160 with the AT440ML back, and the same record in the same
> spot (that I tried 10 times on the Shure, with brush up, brush down, wet,
> dry, etc), and it works fine. To recap:

You microserf style topposting causes lack of context, however you
probably should aim your investigation in the general direction of
tone-arm resonance frequency, i. e. at a glance it appears that the arm
used is too heavy for the Shure.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
************************************************** ***********
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
************************************************** ***********

[Arny Krueger]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message

> Max Metral wrote:
>
>> ok, I did this (got up close during a skip). It's riding pretty
>> smoothly, a little back and forth in a very slow manner, i.e. the
>> record hole being ever so slightly off center I would assume. (This
>> occurs on records that skip and records that don't)
>
>> I also got the TD160 with the AT440ML back, and the same record in
>> the same spot (that I tried 10 times on the Shure, with brush up,
>> brush down, wet, dry, etc), and it works fine. To recap:
>
> You microserf style topposting causes lack of context, however you
> probably should aim your investigation in the general direction of
> tone-arm resonance frequency, i. e. at a glance it appears that the
> arm used is too heavy for the Shure.

I believe that was common knowlege, "in the days of..."

[Max Metral]

Forward, and in kind of an "odd" manner, it doesn't really make a
traditional "skip" noise, it just jumps a few grooves forward, almost as if
the inward force just simply overcame the tracking force.

"P Stamler" > wrote in message
...
> >It could very well be that something is wrong with the Shure, anybody had
> >experience with their "support" folks? Do I have a chance?
>
> I've had good luck with them the times I've dealt with them. Usually it
was for
> pro gear, but one time I sent them a stylus assembly that had collapsed of
its
> own accord. They sent me a new one, no charge, no hassle.
>
> By the way, in which direction is it skipping? Forward or backward?
>
> Peace.
> Paul

[Peter Larsen]

Someone asked:

> > By the way, in which direction is it skipping? Forward or backward?

Max Metral topposted:

> Forward, and in kind of an "odd" manner, it doesn't really make a
> traditional "skip" noise, it just jumps a few grooves forward, almost as if
> the inward force just simply overcame the tracking force.

Is there an antiskaating adjustment, and is it correctly adjusted?

There is not much audio production about this, so I added a cross-post
to rec.audio.tech and a FUT pointing thataway ...


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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