Neve output transformers

[Gary George]

Just picked up a Neve 83049a channel strip with the intent of creating
a Producer's Box. The strip does have an output transformer and after
reading many posts here I have learned that much of the Neve sound is
in the "Iron".

Would a Marinair T1799 output transformer work for my application. If
not, does anyone have a recommendation?

I record mainly rock and will route from the pre directly into my
Layla.

Thanks for the assistance!

[Gary George]

BUMP
> Just picked up a Neve 83049a channel strip with the intent of creating
> a Producer's Box. The strip does have an output transformer and after
> reading many posts here I have learned that much of the Neve sound is
> in the "Iron".
>
> Would a Marinair T1799 output transformer work for my application. If
> not, does anyone have a recommendation?
>
> I record mainly rock and will route from the pre directly into my
> Layla.
>
> Thanks for the assistance!

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

Gary George > wrote:

> Just picked up a Neve 83049a channel strip with the intent of creating
> a Producer's Box. The strip does have an output transformer and after
> reading many posts here I have learned that much of the Neve sound is
> in the "Iron".
>
> Would a Marinair T1799 output transformer work for my application. If
> not, does anyone have a recommendation?
>
> I record mainly rock and will route from the pre directly into my
> Layla.
>
> Thanks for the assistance!

Wait, first you said the strip does have an output transformer, then
you ask about using a different one? What's up?
I'm not familiar with the 83049. Is there any real iron in there or
just those stupid little Belclere transformers? Those aren't the
"Iron" people are talking about when they praise Neve. Is that why you
want to add the Marinair?

ulysses

[Gary George]

Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> Gary George > wrote:
>
> > Just picked up a Neve 83049a channel strip with the intent of creating
> > a Producer's Box. The strip does have an output transformer and after
> > reading many posts here I have learned that much of the Neve sound is
> > in the "Iron".
> >
> > Would a Marinair T1799 output transformer work for my application. If
> > not, does anyone have a recommendation?
> >
> > I record mainly rock and will route from the pre directly into my
> > Layla.
> >
> > Thanks for the assistance!
>
> Wait, first you said the strip does have an output transformer, then
> you ask about using a different one? What's up?
> I'm not familiar with the 83049. Is there any real iron in there or
> just those stupid little Belclere transformers? Those aren't the
> "Iron" people are talking about when they praise Neve. Is that why you
> want to add the Marinair?
>
> ulysses

Sorry & thanks for catching the typo! I Left out the "not" as in "does
not have" an output tranny.

YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
for some color. I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
another "personality" to the pre rack.

I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
interested.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1

Does the Marinair sound like a good match?

[Edvard Puskaric]

On 23 Oct 2003 22:10:32 -0700, (Gary George)
wrote:


>YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
>for some color.

Most of the vintage 1073 Neve sound comes from the Marinair input
transformer (10468) and the simple discrete class A circuitry.

The problem with adding an output transformer is that the output stage
IC may not be able to drive it without severe distortion. You will
need to add a pair of buffer transistors and support components to
properly drive the output transformer.

Ed



> I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
>supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
>another "personality" to the pre rack.
>
>I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
>interested.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1
>
>Does the Marinair sound like a good match?

[Pooh Bear]

Gary George wrote:

> Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> > Gary George > wrote:
> >
> > > Just picked up a Neve 83049a channel strip with the intent of creating
> > > a Producer's Box. The strip does have an output transformer and after
> > > reading many posts here I have learned that much of the Neve sound is
> > > in the "Iron".
> > >
> > > Would a Marinair T1799 output transformer work for my application. If
> > > not, does anyone have a recommendation?
> > >
> > > I record mainly rock and will route from the pre directly into my
> > > Layla.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the assistance!
> >
> > Wait, first you said the strip does have an output transformer, then
> > you ask about using a different one? What's up?
> > I'm not familiar with the 83049. Is there any real iron in there or
> > just those stupid little Belclere transformers? Those aren't the
> > "Iron" people are talking about when they praise Neve. Is that why you
> > want to add the Marinair?
> >
> > ulysses
>
> Sorry & thanks for catching the typo! I Left out the "not" as in "does
> not have" an output tranny.
>
> YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
> for some color. I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
> supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
> another "personality" to the pre rack.
>
> I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
> interested.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1
>
> Does the Marinair sound like a good match?

Nope.

That's a recent(ish) channel strip using 5532 op-amps. 51 series I would guess.

Not enought current in the op-amp output to drive a large TX.


Graham

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

Gary George > wrote:

> Sorry & thanks for catching the typo! I Left out the "not" as in "does
> not have" an output tranny.
>
> YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
> for some color. I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
> supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
> another "personality" to the pre rack.
>
> I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
> interested.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1
>
> Does the Marinair sound like a good match?


A Neve module that doesn't have an output transformer wasn't designed
to drive an external line. The "outputs" of your module were intended
to drive the internal mixbus of the console it came from. Transformer
or not, you don't have a real line driver stage in that module.

ulysses

[Bobby Longsocks]

In article >,
says...
> Gary George > wrote:
>
> > Sorry & thanks for catching the typo! I Left out the "not" as in "does
> > not have" an output tranny.
> >
> > YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
> > for some color. I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
> > supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
> > another "personality" to the pre rack.
> >
> > I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
> > interested.
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1
> >
> > Does the Marinair sound like a good match?
>
>
> A Neve module that doesn't have an output transformer wasn't designed
> to drive an external line. The "outputs" of your module were intended
> to drive the internal mixbus of the console it came from. Transformer
> or not, you don't have a real line driver stage in that module.
>
> ulysses
>

Your best bet is to order a "Balanced line out" IC / PCB from Geoff
Tanner, It'll emulate the mixbus of the console, buffer your signal, and
balance it.

I'm running a pair of strips from a Neve series 51 console, (33145)
with the same IC's and input transformer, they're no 1072's, but for me,
they still beat the hell out of most of the entry level pre's I've
tried, (Berhinger, ART, pre's on a digi 001) and I'm running mine
unbalanced, but I've ordered a stereo balanced out PCB from Geoff, in
hopes of bumping up the output, and creating an insert.

Geoff - if you're reading this.... how are those coming along :)

Bobby

[Gary George]

Bobby Longsocks > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Gary George > wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry & thanks for catching the typo! I Left out the "not" as in "does
> > > not have" an output tranny.
> > >
> > > YES to the Belclere input transformer and YES to adding the Marinar
> > > for some color. I know this isn't a 1072, but for $300, a power
> > > supply, and an output tranny I figured it is a Neve and will add
> > > another "personality" to the pre rack.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what console it came from either. Here's it is if you're
> > > interested.
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561739681&category=3278&rd=1
> > >
> > > Does the Marinair sound like a good match?
> >
> >
> > A Neve module that doesn't have an output transformer wasn't designed
> > to drive an external line. The "outputs" of your module were intended
> > to drive the internal mixbus of the console it came from. Transformer
> > or not, you don't have a real line driver stage in that module.
> >
> > ulysses
> >
>
> Your best bet is to order a "Balanced line out" IC / PCB from Geoff
> Tanner, It'll emulate the mixbus of the console, buffer your signal, and
> balance it.
>
> I'm running a pair of strips from a Neve series 51 console, (33145)
> with the same IC's and input transformer, they're no 1072's, but for me,
> they still beat the hell out of most of the entry level pre's I've
> tried, (Berhinger, ART, pre's on a digi 001) and I'm running mine
> unbalanced, but I've ordered a stereo balanced out PCB from Geoff, in
> hopes of bumping up the output, and creating an insert.
>
> Geoff - if you're reading this.... how are those coming along :)
>
> Bobby

Thanks to all for the excellent info and advice.

I have since learned that the strips are from a 51 series console and
I now understand the limit of the strip's opamps with regard to adding
an output transformer.

P.S. - If you're out there Geoff I may be interested in the PCB Bobby
mentions above as well.