A live flute recording [Archive]

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 3rd 16, 10:02 AM

On 02-02-2016 19:53, geoff wrote:

> On 3/02/2016 6:00 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:

>> here is a live flute recording:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

> Um. yes - challenging ! Would need to listen to two performances to
> determine which bits were intentional, if that's a valid criterion ;-)

She is a very capable musician.

The audio is a mix of mic setup audio and camera audio because of the
many p's composer Pernille Sejlund likes to sprinkle on her scores and
because of Elzbieta moving away from the mic she was intended to use,
no fault of hers, I had told her to move freely, albeit not expected
that much wanderlust.

There is a bit of zoom button noise and camera stand creak that evaded
my attention during audio post. I claim the rattle and hum clause used
by the Who applies.

The stereo setup is a wee bit unconventional. All mics are omnis.

More videos from the concert are in the pipeline, I need composer
releases for some of them first.

Overall you must be quite happy with it since you only wonder about
performers ability to repeat the performance ... O;-)

> geoff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 3rd 16, 10:05 AM

On 02-02-2016 22:58, JackA wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-5, Peter Larsen wrote:
>> Hi guys,

>> here is a live flute recording:

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

> I thought she was having some epileptic seizure in the beginning. Must be a flute ritual of some sort!

The flute ceremony is in fact one of the Hopi nation's most important
rituals and also one of the most humble ones.

> Jack

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

geoff

February 3rd 16, 10:10 AM

On 3/02/2016 11:02 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:

>
> Overall you must be quite happy with it since you only wonder about
> performers ability to repeat the performance ... O;-)
>
>> geoff
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen
>

I must be just a bit conservative in that I prefer music that is clear
as to what is the actual music as per the score, and what is warm-ups,
mistakes, and extraneous interruptions ;-)

But I never had a problem with Keith Jarrett....

geoff

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 3rd 16, 12:26 PM

On 03-02-2016 11:10, geoff wrote:

> On 3/02/2016 11:02 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:

>> Overall you must be quite happy with it since you only wonder about
>> performers ability to repeat the performance ... O;-)

> I must be just a bit conservative in that I prefer music that is clear
> as to what is the actual music as per the score, and what is warm-ups,
> mistakes, and extraneous interruptions ;-)

I assure you, there are no mistakes and extraneous noises from the
performer.

> But I never had a problem with Keith Jarrett....

I don't think he used the noise register of his instrument, only the tonal.

> geoff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

geoff

February 3rd 16, 07:08 PM

On 4/02/2016 1:26 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:

>
>> But I never had a problem with Keith Jarrett....
>
> I don't think he used the noise register of his instrument, only the tonal.

But the grunts, bangs, thumps, etc ;-) Specifically The Koln Concert.

Would love to see how flautist's score was written !

geoff

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 5th 16, 08:16 AM

On 03-02-2016 20:08, geoff wrote:

> Would love to see how flautist's score was written !

I don't know. But the composer was present and looked happy, so it must
constitute an authoritative performance of the oeuvre.

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1aXFfN4VDU

which is Elzbieta Wolenska playing Gunnar Bergs Pastourelle

however has a quite conventional score, except that it is all in one
bar. I'll leave the counting to you.

Any comments/questions on the audio?

> geoff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

geoff

February 5th 16, 10:33 AM

On 5/02/2016 9:16 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
> On 03-02-2016 20:08, geoff wrote:
>
>> Would love to see how flautist's score was written !
>
> I don't know. But the composer was present and looked happy, so it must
> constitute an authoritative performance of the oeuvre.
>
> This:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1aXFfN4VDU
>
> which is Elzbieta Wolenska playing Gunnar Bergs Pastourelle
>
> however has a quite conventional score, except that it is all in one
> bar. I'll leave the counting to you.
>
> Any comments/questions on the audio?

Sorry no - haven't been in a situation suitable for any sort of critical
listening yet.

geoff

Lasso

February 5th 16, 01:24 PM

Peter Larsen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> here is a live flute recording:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>

Thanks for sharing this recording! The flute is not my favourite
instrument, but this was really different and sounded fantastic.

The only thing that's not optimal is the comparative low-fi sound of the
harmonizer effect the performer is apparently using. For a recording
maybe this could go in as a direct line input?

Murray[_8_]

February 6th 16, 01:58 AM

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 04:00:12 UTC+11, Peter Larsen wrote:
>
> here is a live flute recording:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

I looked up the composer.
She is an 'experimental' composer.
That probably say it all.
http://pernillesejlund.dk/about/

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 6th 16, 11:21 AM

On 05-02-2016 14:24, Lasso wrote:

> Peter Larsen wrote:
>> Hi guys,

>> here is a live flute recording:

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

> Thanks for sharing this recording! The flute is not my favourite
> instrument, but this was really different and sounded fantastic.

> The only thing that's not optimal is the comparative low-fi sound of the
> harmonizer effect the performer is apparently using. For a recording
> maybe this could go in as a direct line input?

What harmonizer? - I was there, I didn't see any. What makes you assume
one was used?

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Lasso

February 6th 16, 05:32 PM

Peter Larsen wrote:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
>> Thanks for sharing this recording! The flute is not my favourite
>> instrument, but this was really different and sounded fantastic.
>
>> The only thing that's not optimal is the comparative low-fi sound of the
>> harmonizer effect the performer is apparently using. For a recording
>> maybe this could go in as a direct line input?
>
> What harmonizer? - I was there, I didn't see any. What makes you assume
> one was used?

Listening e.g. at 6:14, 6:30, 8:02, 8:35, 8:50-9:40 it sounds like a
delay effect that also harmonizes - or was there a deep dungeon in that
church? It's a bit mysterious...

Ty Ford

February 6th 16, 05:51 PM

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-5, Peter Larsen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> here is a live flute recording:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Very exploratory! Nice!

What's that thing on the music stand she pokes at?

Regards,

Ty Ford

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 7th 16, 07:06 AM

On 06-02-2016 18:32, Lasso wrote:

> Peter Larsen wrote:

>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

The Pernille Sejlund piece.

>>> Thanks for sharing this recording! The flute is not my favourite
>>> instrument, but this was really different and sounded fantastic.

The is a wonderful composer and takes dynamic range to the limit of
possibilities.

>>> The only thing that's not optimal is the comparative low-fi sound of the
>>> harmonizer effect the performer is apparently using. For a recording
>>> maybe this could go in as a direct line input?

>> What harmonizer? - I was there, I didn't see any. What makes you assume
>> one was used?

> Listening e.g. at 6:14, 6:30, 8:02, 8:35, 8:50-9:40 it sounds like a
> delay effect that also harmonizes - or was there a deep dungeon in that
> church? It's a bit mysterious...

Having read the thread you no doubt have noticed that I said that the
audio track is a combination of multiple sources,thank you so much for
finding an error caused by that process.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 7th 16, 03:42 PM

On 07-02-2016 08:06, Peter Larsen wrote:
> On 06-02-2016 18:32, Lasso wrote:
>
>> Peter Larsen wrote:
>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
> The Pernille Sejlund piece.
>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this recording! The flute is not my favourite
>>>> instrument, but this was really different and sounded fantastic.
>
> The is a wonderful composer and takes dynamic range to the limit of
> possibilities.
>
>>>> The only thing that's not optimal is the comparative low-fi sound of
>>>> the
>>>> harmonizer effect the performer is apparently using. For a recording
>>>> maybe this could go in as a direct line input?
>
>>> What harmonizer? - I was there, I didn't see any. What makes you assume
>>> one was used?
>
>> Listening e.g. at 6:14, 6:30, 8:02, 8:35, 8:50-9:40 it sounds like a
>> delay effect that also harmonizes - or was there a deep dungeon in that
>> church? It's a bit mysterious...

The audio track from the rearmost camera had become unmuted when making
the rendering for youtube, thank you!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

> Having read the thread you no doubt have noticed that I said that the
> audio track is a combination of multiple sources,thank you so much for
> finding an error caused by that process.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen
>
>
>

Matt Faunce

February 8th 16, 08:23 AM

On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> here is a live flute recording:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

I think this is an excellent composition and performance! Really top
notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.

I don't consider this 'experimental' music, because the sorts of
experiments that yielded these sorts of effects were done decades ago.
What you have here is a very well thought out and well performed
composition using well known, tried and true, compositional effects.

--
Matt

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 12th 16, 05:20 AM

On 08-02-2016 09:23, Matt Faunce wrote:

> On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> here is a live flute recording:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
> I think this is an excellent composition and performance! Really top
> notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.

Thank you, it will be replaced with a better sounding version,
fortunately a keen listener here noticed an error that had crept in once
I thought it "done".

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

> I don't consider this 'experimental' music, because the sorts of
> experiments that yielded these sorts of effects were done decades ago.
> What you have here is a very well thought out and well performed
> composition using well known, tried and true, compositional effects.
>

Matt Faunce

February 12th 16, 06:38 AM

On 2/12/16 12:20 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
> On 08-02-2016 09:23, Matt Faunce wrote:
>
>> On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> here is a live flute recording:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Peter Larsen
>>
>> I think this is an excellent composition and performance! Really top
>> notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.
>
> Thank you, it will be replaced with a better sounding version,
> fortunately a keen listener here noticed an error that had crept in once
> I thought it "done".
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

I was convinced she was playing into some device on her music stand.
Besides electronic triggers being fairly common (drummers seem to use
them more than anyone), the way she leaned over toward the music stand
when she was playing that ocarina (or whatever that thing is), made me
think she did this to make sure the sound was loudly received by the
device. But I'll take your word for it. I don't understand how having
the camera microphone on in the rear, even with the camera's speaker
turned on, could produce those sounds, but nature is full of surprises.

--
Matt

Matt Faunce

February 12th 16, 09:08 AM

On 2/12/16 1:38 AM, Matt Faunce wrote:
> On 2/12/16 12:20 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>> On 08-02-2016 09:23, Matt Faunce wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> here is a live flute recording:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Peter Larsen
>>>
>>> I think this is an excellent composition and performance! Really top
>>> notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.
>>
>> Thank you, it will be replaced with a better sounding version,
>> fortunately a keen listener here noticed an error that had crept in once
>> I thought it "done".
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
> I was convinced she was playing into some device on her music stand.
> Besides electronic triggers being fairly common (drummers seem to use
> them more than anyone), the way she leaned over toward the music stand
> when she was playing that ocarina (or whatever that thing is), made me
> think she did this to make sure the sound was loudly received by the
> device. But I'll take your word for it. I don't understand how having
> the camera microphone on in the rear, even with the camera's speaker
> turned on, could produce those sounds, but nature is full of surprises.
>

Peter,

I just watched it again. Great stuff!, and again, I very much appreciate
the post. This kind of music is dearest to my heart. All the electronic
effects fit the composition too perfectly to be considered unintentional
artifacts of anything. My first impression was right: those were made
purposefully by the performer. And you can see her lean over and turn
the device on and off. No question about it, they belong in the recording.

--
Matt

Ty Ford

February 12th 16, 03:29 PM

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 1:39:02 AM UTC-5, Matt Faunce wrote:
> On 2/12/16 12:20 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
> > On 08-02-2016 09:23, Matt Faunce wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> here is a live flute recording:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards
> >>>
> >>> Peter Larsen
> >>
> >> I think this is an excellent composition and performance! Really top
> >> notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.
> >
> > Thank you, it will be replaced with a better sounding version,
> > fortunately a keen listener here noticed an error that had crept in once
> > I thought it "done".
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen
>
> I was convinced she was playing into some device on her music stand.
> Besides electronic triggers being fairly common (drummers seem to use
> them more than anyone), the way she leaned over toward the music stand
> when she was playing that ocarina (or whatever that thing is), made me
> think she did this to make sure the sound was loudly received by the
> device. But I'll take your word for it. I don't understand how having
> the camera microphone on in the rear, even with the camera's speaker
> turned on, could produce those sounds, but nature is full of surprises.
>
> --
> Matt

She's obviously poking at something on the music stand; maybe an iPad or other controller.. I also hear effects later on that are not able to be produced by a human and a flute.

Very fun performance, and well recorded but not "organic."

Regards,

Ty Ford

Matt Faunce

February 12th 16, 06:14 PM

On 2/12/16 10:29 AM, Ty Ford wrote:
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 1:39:02 AM UTC-5, Matt Faunce wrote:
>> On 2/12/16 12:20 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>>> On 08-02-2016 09:23, Matt Faunce wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/2/16 12:00 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> here is a live flute recording:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Larsen
>>>>
>>>> I think this is an excellent composition and performance!
>>>> Really top notch!, IMO. Thank you for posting it.
>>>
>>> Thank you, it will be replaced with a better sounding version,
>>> fortunately a keen listener here noticed an error that had crept
>>> in once I thought it "done".
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Peter Larsen
>>
>> I was convinced she was playing into some device on her music
>> stand. Besides electronic triggers being fairly common (drummers
>> seem to use them more than anyone), the way she leaned over toward
>> the music stand when she was playing that ocarina (or whatever that
>> thing is), made me think she did this to make sure the sound was
>> loudly received by the device. But I'll take your word for it. I
>> don't understand how having the camera microphone on in the rear,
>> even with the camera's speaker turned on, could produce those
>> sounds, but nature is full of surprises.
>>
>> -- Matt
>
> She's obviously poking at something on the music stand; maybe an iPad
> or other controller.. I also hear effects later on that are not able
> to be produced by a human and a flute.
>
> Very fun performance, and well recorded but not "organic."
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>

At first I thought it was probably her tablet, like an iPad or
something, on which her music (score) was, and she was simply pushing a
button for turning pages. But some of those pushes correspond, in
timing, to the
electronic effects.

I wonder if she was using the tablet's own speakers or if the signal was
transmitted, via Bluetooth or something, to speakers far from her. That
is, I wonder if there was a spacial aspect to the recording that I'm
missing listening in stereo.

I'll be very very surprised if Peter comes back and confirms that it was
in fact some strange electronic interference due to a mistake in his setup.

--
Matt

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 12th 16, 07:28 PM

On 12-02-2016 19:14, Matt Faunce wrote:

> I'll be very very surprised if Peter comes back and confirms that it was
> in fact some strange electronic interference due to a mistake in his setup.

It is a mistake in the post for youtube, the audio track from the camera
at the rear of the church had become unmuted.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 12th 16, 07:34 PM

On 12-02-2016 16:29, Ty Ford wrote:

> She's obviously poking at something on the music stand;
> maybe an iPad or other controller..

She made her own video with a camera where I really would have liked to
have one - I gave the position to her - and either used her iphone as
stopwatch, such may be required in modern scores or to record the audio,
I think the latter.

> Very fun performance, and well recorded but not "organic."

I expect to replace both flute videos sunday and add at least one more
that I needed a composers release for. Enjoy this serving of Mozart in
the meantime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4D5L-56tQo

> Ty Ford

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Matt Faunce

February 12th 16, 07:50 PM

Peter Larsen > wrote:
> On 12-02-2016 19:14, Matt Faunce wrote:
>
>> I'll be very very surprised if Peter comes back and confirms that it was
>> in fact some strange electronic interference due to a mistake in his setup.
>
> It is a mistake in the post for youtube, the audio track from the camera
> at the rear of the church had become unmuted.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Ok, I concede. I suppose I was impressed by that sound, like a newborn
chick taking the first image it sees and imprinting it as its mother, and
now I think it belongs to the composition. I look forward to hearing the
corrected version. Hopefully I'll be able to handle it psychologically.

--
Matt

Luxey

February 28th 16, 01:51 PM

уторак, 02. фебруар 2016. 18.00.12 UTC+1, Peter Larsen је написао/ла:
> Hi guys,
>
> here is a live flute recording:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

I also think music is pretty much conventional for contemporary standards.

Good job Peter. I've also heard "the sound effect" and thought it was similar to
the sound of Mini DV camera motor, rolling the tape, as captured by on the cam,
built in mic.

Peter Larsen[_3_]

February 29th 16, 05:42 PM

On 28-02-2016 14:51, Luxey wrote:

> уторак, 02. фебруар 2016. 18.00.12 UTC+1, Peter Larsen је написао/ла:
>> Hi guys,

>> here is a live flute recording:

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A

> I also think music is pretty much conventional for contemporary standards.

> Good job Peter. I've also heard "the sound effect" and thought it was similar to
> the sound of Mini DV camera motor, rolling the tape, as captured by on the cam,
> built in mic.

Thank you, I just need to make the replacement file visible .... I'll
notify you guys!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

~misfit~[_3_]

May 21st 16, 01:14 PM

Once upon a time on usenet Peter Larsen wrote:
> On 28-02-2016 14:51, Luxey wrote:
>
>> ??????, 02. ??????? 2016. 18.00.12 UTC+1, Peter Larsen ?? ???????/??:
>>> Hi guys,
>
>>> here is a live flute recording:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>
>> I also think music is pretty much conventional for contemporary
>> standards.
>
>> Good job Peter. I've also heard "the sound effect" and thought it
>> was similar to the sound of Mini DV camera motor, rolling the tape,
>> as captured by on the cam, built in mic.
>
> Thank you, I just need to make the replacement file visible .... I'll
> notify you guys!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

I'd appreciate it. She is very impressive and obviously a challenge to
record.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Peter Larsen[_3_]

May 21st 16, 11:19 PM

On 21-05-2016 13:14, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet Peter Larsen wrote:
>> On 28-02-2016 14:51, Luxey wrote:
>>
>>> ??????, 02. ??????? 2016. 18.00.12 UTC+1, Peter Larsen ?? ???????/??:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>
>>>> here is a live flute recording:
>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PKEQMrH3A
>>
>>> I also think music is pretty much conventional for contemporary
>>> standards.
>>
>>> Good job Peter. I've also heard "the sound effect" and thought it
>>> was similar to the sound of Mini DV camera motor, rolling the tape,
>>> as captured by on the cam, built in mic.
>>
>> Thank you, I just need to make the replacement file visible .... I'll
>> notify you guys!
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
> I'd appreciate it. She is very impressive and obviously a challenge to
> record.

The issue in recording flutes is the room noise and any outside traffic
noise, especially with a Sejlund piece. Anyway, what ails this one is my
own error in post, hmm ... better get it replaced with the corrected
version ... I made the error of not also listening loud.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Frank Stearns

May 22nd 16, 01:26 AM

Peter Larsen > writes:

snips

>The issue in recording flutes is the room noise and any outside traffic
>noise, especially with a Sejlund piece. Anyway, what ails this one is my
>own error in post, hmm ... better get it replaced with the corrected
>version ... I made the error of not also listening loud.

Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church with commuter (light)
rail tracks just outside the windows. For the first half of the concert, I was
incredibly lucky because a train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that
line for a while.

But the trains were back running during the second half. Sheesh. The mid and close
mics saved the day, as did automated high-pass which moved around between phrases to
hide the rumble but not kill the lowest notes of the phrase. Tedious.

Frank
Mobile Audio

--

Tobiah

May 24th 16, 05:16 PM

> Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church with commuter (light)
> rail tracks just outside the windows. For the first half of the concert, I was
> incredibly lucky because a train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that
> line for a while.

What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?

Frank Stearns

May 24th 16, 07:07 PM

Tobiah > writes:

>> Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church with commuter (light)
>> rail tracks just outside the windows. For the first half of the concert, I was
>> incredibly lucky because a train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that
>> line for a while.

>What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?

Chuckle. If only...

Actually, that particular transit system was very good at shooting itself in the
foot at multiple technical and managerial levels. Prior to the $10B+ train system
used by only 1% of the commuting public (that $10B was more than half the road
budget for the entire state), they'd imported articulated buses built in a client
state of the former Soviet Union. (Never mind that those large-capacity buses were
typically empty; that's another story.)

The "intelligent" rear steering of those segmented buses sometimes went beserk and
wiped out cars near corners; a friend had his car, parked mid block, backed over by
one. No one thought to get English translations of the repair and maintenance
manuals. And they had to send back to the Old Country for parts -- when available.

Then came the trains -- called "light rail" in some cities, there it was called
"loot rail" by some folks, due to the high price and later corruption found within
the ranks. Glad I lived just across the state border and was not subject to
the taxes imposed to build that monument and line various pockets along the way.

Sorry for the digression. No, I did not start the fire, but for that first half of
the concert I was thankful for the stumbling operations of that particular transit
system.

Frank
Mobile Audio

--

[email protected]

May 24th 16, 09:35 PM

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:16:40 PM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
> > Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church with commuter (light)
> > rail tracks just outside the windows. For the first half of the concert, I was
> > incredibly lucky because a train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that
> > line for a while.
>
> What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?

Sigh...

The fire was caused by a train motor on the
light rail line, shutting it down. During the time
it was closed, no trains ran, and the recordings in the
church, which the light-rail runs by, were vibration-
free for a while.

None

May 24th 16, 10:43 PM

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> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:16:40 PM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
>> What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?
>
> Sigh...

D'oh!

> The fire was caused by a train motor on the
> light rail line, shutting it down. During the time
> it was closed, no trains ran, and the recordings in the
> church, which the light-rail runs by, were vibration-
> free for a while.

YRAFCDF,CO.

Nil[_2_]

May 24th 16, 10:56 PM

On 24 May 2016, wrote in rec.audio.pro:

> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:16:40 PM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
>> > Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church
>> > with commuter (light) rail tracks just outside the windows. For
>> > the first half of the concert, I was incredibly lucky because a
>> > train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that line for
>> > a while.
>>
>> What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?
>
> Sigh...

Sigh...

You have no sense of humor at all, do you?

> The fire was caused by a train motor on the
> light rail line, shutting it down. During the time
> it was closed, no trains ran, and the recordings in the
> church, which the light-rail runs by, were vibration-
> free for a while.

John Williamson

May 24th 16, 11:41 PM

On 24/05/2016 21:35, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:16:40 PM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
>>> Try recording a classical solo harp in a reverberant church with commuter (light)
>>> rail tracks just outside the windows. For the first half of the concert, I was
>>> incredibly lucky because a train motor had caught fire somewhere and closed that
>>> line for a while.
>>
>> What sort of mechanism did you use to set the fire?
>
> Sigh...
>
> The fire was caused by a train motor on the
> light rail line, shutting it down. During the time
> it was closed, no trains ran, and the recordings in the
> church, which the light-rail runs by, were vibration-
> free for a while.
>
That'll be a "Whoosh!", then.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

jason

May 25th 16, 04:04 AM

On Tue, 24 May 2016 13:07:09 -0500 "Frank Stearns"
> wrote in article
>
> Sorry for the digression. No, I did not start the fire, but for that first half of
> the concert I was thankful for the stumbling operations of that particular transit
> system.
>

That's a great story. For years, I have recorded a local chamber group
that performs half a dozen concerts a year in the venerable Methodist
Church in town. It's a nice-sounding space, but the church is right on
the main street - on a hill. I always pray for rain when there's a
concert, because otherwise it's guaranteed that partway through the
performance the Harley dudes will come roaring up/down Main St and the
earth will shake for fifteen seconds. They ride in packs of 20. It's
worse on warm days - all the windows in the church are open... I've
learned to use the tools in Audition to completely eliminate the
occasional rising and falling siren on an ambulance or police car, but
the Harley roar/rumble is a lot more difficult.

Frank Stearns

May 25th 16, 01:39 PM

Jason > writes:

>On Tue, 24 May 2016 13:07:09 -0500 "Frank Stearns"
> wrote in article
>
>> Sorry for the digression. No, I did not start the fire, but for that first half of
>> the concert I was thankful for the stumbling operations of that particular transit
>> system.
>>

>That's a great story. For years, I have recorded a local chamber group
>that performs half a dozen concerts a year in the venerable Methodist
>Church in town. It's a nice-sounding space, but the church is right on
>the main street - on a hill. I always pray for rain when there's a
>concert, because otherwise it's guaranteed that partway through the
>performance the Harley dudes will come roaring up/down Main St and the
>earth will shake for fifteen seconds. They ride in packs of 20. It's
>worse on warm days - all the windows in the church are open... I've
>learned to use the tools in Audition to completely eliminate the
>occasional rising and falling siren on an ambulance or police car, but
>the Harley roar/rumble is a lot more difficult.

The sub-100 Hz stuff would be easy to remove without doing too much vocal damage
(unless the group is fortunate enough to have some real bassos, then you automate
the high pass frequency).

But I can imagine that ear-shreading junk around 1-3K coming out of those machines
to be a serious problem, especially when the windows are open and nothing dulls that
range at all.

Does Audition offer some sort of spectral editing?

Frank
Mobile Audio
--

JackA

May 25th 16, 01:49 PM

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 8:39:14 AM UTC-4, Frank Stearns wrote:
> Jason > writes:
>
> >On Tue, 24 May 2016 13:07:09 -0500 "Frank Stearns"
> > wrote in article
> >
> >> Sorry for the digression. No, I did not start the fire, but for that first half of
> >> the concert I was thankful for the stumbling operations of that particular transit
> >> system.
> >>
>
> >That's a great story. For years, I have recorded a local chamber group
> >that performs half a dozen concerts a year in the venerable Methodist
> >Church in town. It's a nice-sounding space, but the church is right on
> >the main street - on a hill. I always pray for rain when there's a
> >concert, because otherwise it's guaranteed that partway through the
> >performance the Harley dudes will come roaring up/down Main St and the
> >earth will shake for fifteen seconds. They ride in packs of 20. It's
> >worse on warm days - all the windows in the church are open... I've
> >learned to use the tools in Audition to completely eliminate the
> >occasional rising and falling siren on an ambulance or police car, but
> >the Harley roar/rumble is a lot more difficult.
>
> The sub-100 Hz stuff would be easy to remove without doing too much vocal damage
> (unless the group is fortunate enough to have some real bassos, then you automate
> the high pass frequency).
>
> But I can imagine that ear-shreading junk around 1-3K coming out of those machines
> to be a serious problem, especially when the windows are open and nothing dulls that
> range at all.
>
> Does Audition offer some sort of spectral editing?

Don't know, but Audacity does!!

Jack

>
> Frank
> Mobile Audio
> --
> .

Scott Dorsey

May 25th 16, 02:05 PM

Frank Stearns > wrote:
>
>But I can imagine that ear-shreading junk around 1-3K coming out of those machines
>to be a serious problem, especially when the windows are open and nothing dulls that
>range at all.
>
>Does Audition offer some sort of spectral editing?

Spectral editing is kind of problematic for transients because they spray
components all the way across the spectrum. Probably gets worse when you have
multiple transient sources together.

You can always invite the biker club to the concert.
--scott
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