Ready......Aim......

[polymod]

Fire!
http://tinyurl.com/ohjohsx


Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"polymod" wrote in message ...

Fire!
http://tinyurl.com/ohjohsx


Poly




Did someone pay you to post this?

[[email protected]]

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> Fire!
> http://tinyurl.com/ohjohsx
>
>
> Poly


OMG..

Did you try the AB comparison..

IMHO, the A (unmastered) version sounds pretty good.

The B (mastered version) is smashed to H*** and back.

Mark

[polymod]

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

Did someone pay you to post this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh my God no.

Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"polymod" wrote in message ...



"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

Did someone pay you to post this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh my God no.

Poly




I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
then some random piece of software.

That's all. Just wondering where this is coming from.





Gareth.

[polymod]

"polymod" wrote in message ...



"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

Did someone pay you to post this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh my God no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just to clarify, since you seemed to miss my humor, the "ready, aim, fire"
was for the perceived salvo of artillery to be heaved on the subject by
folks who obviously know better.

:-)
Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"polymod" wrote in message ...



"polymod" wrote in message ...



"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

Did someone pay you to post this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh my God no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just to clarify, since you seemed to miss my humor, the "ready, aim, fire"
was for the perceived salvo of artillery to be heaved on the subject by
folks who obviously know better.

:-)
Poly




Bugger.

Seems the British can't recognise irony from other nations when appropriate!


Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:28:25 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "polymod" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
> "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...
>
> Did someone pay you to post this?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Oh my God no.
>
> Poly
>
>
>
>
> I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
> then some random piece of software.
>
> That's all. Just wondering where this is coming from.
>
>
>
>
>
> Gareth.

"LANDR is a tool designed by sound engineers".

Sound? Maybe it means they are free from flaw, defect, or decay!!! :)

Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

Gareth Magennis > wrote:
>
>I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
>then some random piece of software.

Yes.

>That's all. Just wondering where this is coming from.

From the same train of thought that brought you automatic room-tuning
software.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Gareth Magennis]

Watch this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU




Gareth.





"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

Gareth Magennis > wrote:
>
>I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
>then some random piece of software.

Yes.

>That's all. Just wondering where this is coming from.

From the same train of thought that brought you automatic room-tuning
software.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Gareth Magennis]

Quote from that video:


"I don't think you will see much from Chopin that is written in C major"



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

He missed notes.

Watch this one. Geoff needs not watch, he never discovered this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QPhMIv4pM

Jack


>
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>
> Gareth Magennis > wrote:
> >
> >I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
> >then some random piece of software.
>
> Yes.
>
> >That's all. Just wondering where this is coming from.
>
> From the same train of thought that brought you automatic room-tuning
> software.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

Gareth Magennis > wrote:
>
>I would have thought that a piano tuner could do a better job at mastering
>then some random piece of software.

Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why, thank you!
;-)

Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

He missed notes.

Watch this one. Geoff needs not watch, he never discovered this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QPhMIv4pM

Jack





Ha, I seem to remember chastising your mixes a while back because of their
high content around the Ouchy 3.15kHz.
Seems you don't do that so much any more.



Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

He missed notes.






Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
music was actually written using different tunings.
So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
actually intended by the composer at all.


Dunno, I find this subject quite fascinating.



Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...



"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

He missed notes.






Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
music was actually written using different tunings.
So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
actually intended by the composer at all.


Dunno, I find this subject quite fascinating.



Gareth.





Oh, just one more thing on the subject:

If you are a guitarist, you would probably tune your strings to be perfect
4ths or 5ths. E, A, A, D, D, G, B, E.

You would NEVER do this on a piano, or you would find some notes
rereconcilable.
(From experience, the open B guitar string always has the problem here)

If tuning for Equal Temperament, every 5th should be tuned slightly flat,
and every 4th slightly sharp.





Gareth.








4

[polymod]

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

<snip>

Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
music was actually written using different tunings.
So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
actually intended by the composer at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thank you....I've been telling folks that for years.
I remember when I was a teen, before I became a piano tuner and had no idea
of how to tune a piano using equal temperament.
My buddy owned an antique store and had an old piano. Since I was the guy
with the "dog ears", he recruited me to tuner her up.
Heck, I figured this was going to be easy....4 hours later the thing sounded
horrible, but to my amazement it was playable in one key. The one that I was
basing all my perfect 4ths and 5ths from.
Of course the other keys sounded absolutely horrible.

but you're right......we'd have to tune the piano for each composition in
order for it to sound as intended.
Would be good for my business<g>

Poly

[JackA]

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 7:34:56 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > Watch this.
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
>
> He missed notes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
> music was actually written using different tunings.
> So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
> actually intended by the composer at all.
>
>
> Dunno, I find this subject quite fascinating.
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, just one more thing on the subject:
>
> If you are a guitarist, you would probably tune your strings to be perfect
> 4ths or 5ths. E, A, A, D, D, G, B, E.
>
> You would NEVER do this on a piano, or you would find some notes
> rereconcilable.
> (From experience, the open B guitar string always has the problem here)
>
> If tuning for Equal Temperament, every 5th should be tuned slightly flat,
> and every 4th slightly sharp.

Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!

3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!

But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise that wasn't there before!!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3

Thanks for the info!!

Jack


>
>
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 4

[Scott Dorsey]

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument movement.
The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that blurs
the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
even more dramatic.

I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> Watch this.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument movement.
The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that blurs
the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
even more dramatic.

I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
--scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

Poly

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> Watch this.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
>
> Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument movement.
> The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that blurs
> the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
> even more dramatic.
>
> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
> they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
> --scott
>
>

This will be heresy, but... there exists temperament-changing software
for electronic keyboards. That would certainly be my preference rather
than maintaining seven pianos.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

polymod wrote:
>
>
> "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> Watch this.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
>
> Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument
> movement.
> The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that
> blurs
> the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
> even more dramatic.
>
> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
> they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
> --scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
>
> Poly



They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 4/08/2015 8:49 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
>> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
>> they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
>> tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach
>> addicts.
>
> This will be heresy, but... there exists temperament-changing software
> for electronic keyboards. That would certainly be my preference rather
> than maintaining seven pianos.

I'd do the same, but anyone with seven piano's probably thinks
electronic piano's ARE heresy! :-)

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 4/08/2015 8:51 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
> They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
> are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
> what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.

You've been able to do that for MANY decades of course using a simple
frequency counter if you calculate the frequencies you want.
(assuming you already know the traps of piano tuning of course)

Trevor.

[Trevor]

> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos
> and they got a harpsichord as their wedding present.
> They used to keep them tuned in several different temperaments
> since they were both bach addicts.

I'd like the house that will fit seven piano's.
(not to mention the harpsichord)
And I bet at least one is a grand piano too!
Hope the harpsichord wasn't a 12ft! :-)

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

Trevor, et al:

PIANOS, not "piano's" when speaking
of multiple. What is WRONG with
Americans... !

Seen in Japanese restaurant in the
States: "Please remove your shoe's
when entering dining area."

sigh...

[None]

< thekma @ dumb**** . shortbus . edu > wrote in message
...
> Trevor, et al:
>
> PIANOS, not "piano's" when speaking
> of multiple. What is WRONG with
> Americans... !

While you were busy whining about punctuation, you made illiterate
misuse of ellipsis, spacing, and an exclamation point. And of course,
caps-lock bellowing.

Don't pretend you can school the grownups.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 5:43:50 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Trevor, et al:
>
> PIANOS, not "piano's" when speaking
> of multiple. What is WRONG with
> Americans... !

Not sure, but they select the worst Presidents. I don't believe Trevor is American.

Jack
>
> Seen in Japanese restaurant in the
> States: "Please remove your shoe's
> when entering dining area."
>
> sigh...

[polymod]

"Les Cargill" wrote in message ...

polymod wrote:
>
>
> "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> Watch this.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
>
> Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument
> movement.
> The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that
> blurs
> the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
> even more dramatic.
>
> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
> they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
> --scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
>
> Poly

They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've been a professional piano tuner for over 35 years, so I certainly know
of all the gadgets.
As a matter of fact, the person who taught me was a "box" tuner, but a good
one at that.
I started that way but eventually learned the ear method by a matter of
choice.
And many of my clients don't want to see a computer or a tuning device.
They want someone that does it by ear.

That being said, I know it's easy to do different temperaments using a
machine. My question is coming from a tuner's perspective.

Poly

[JackA]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 4:34:34 PM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> "Les Cargill" wrote in message ...
>
> polymod wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> >> Watch this.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
> >
> > Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument
> > movement.
> > The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that
> > blurs
> > the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it is
> > even more dramatic.
> >
> > I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
> > they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> > tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
> > --scott
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
> >
> > Poly
>
> They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
> are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
> what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I've been a professional piano tuner for over 35 years, so I certainly know
> of all the gadgets.

I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-)

Jack

> As a matter of fact, the person who taught me was a "box" tuner, but a good
> one at that.
> I started that way but eventually learned the ear method by a matter of
> choice.
> And many of my clients don't want to see a computer or a tuning device.
> They want someone that does it by ear.
>
> That being said, I know it's easy to do different temperaments using a
> machine. My question is coming from a tuner's perspective.
>
> Poly

[polymod]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 4:34:34 PM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> "Les Cargill" wrote in message ...
>
> polymod wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> >> Watch this.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
> >
> > Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument
> > movement.
> > The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that
> > blurs
> > the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it
> > is
> > even more dramatic.
> >
> > I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos
> > and
> > they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> > tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach
> > addicts.
> > --scott
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
> >
> > Poly
>
> They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
> are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
> what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I've been a professional piano tuner for over 35 years, so I certainly
> know
> of all the gadgets.

I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.
;)


Poly

[JackA]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 5:38:40 PM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 4:34:34 PM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> > "Les Cargill" wrote in message ...
> >
> > polymod wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > >> Watch this.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
> > >
> > > Absolutely, and that's a big part of the whole original instrument
> > > movement.
> > > The thing about the piano is that it isn't making pure tones, and that
> > > blurs
> > > the effect and makes it less audible. On an organ or a harpsichord it
> > > is
> > > even more dramatic.
> > >
> > > I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos
> > > and
> > > they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
> > > tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach
> > > addicts.
> > > --scott
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
> > >
> > > Poly
> >
> > They really no longer have to do that. The electronic tuners
> > are unspeakably good these days and will allow you to specify exactly
> > what you want that is not Equal Temperament about the instrument.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I've been a professional piano tuner for over 35 years, so I certainly
> > know
> > of all the gadgets.
>
> I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> you can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.
> ;)

LOL! Thanks, I needed that! :-)

Jack

>
>
> Poly

[geoff]

On 5/08/2015 9:37 a.m., JackA wrote:
> I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-) Jack

"More F# 7"

geoff

[JackA]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 7:31:30 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 5/08/2015 9:37 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-) Jack
>
> "More F# 7"

F#maj 7 to you!!! They are known as Treble chords! See how quickly I learn!?

I went to a music store and asked for an electric guitar cord, he said music books are to the left!!

Jack (sad to read Billy Sherrill passed)

>
> geoff

[geoff]

On 5/08/2015 12:06 p.m., JackA wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 7:31:30 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>> On 5/08/2015 9:37 a.m., JackA wrote:
>>> I had a TV tuner, but now they are outdated!!! :-) Jack
>> "More F# 7"
> F#maj 7 to you!!! They are known as Treble chords! See how quickly I learn!?
>
>
Not a chord, but a note number.

geoff

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 7:34:56 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > Watch this.
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
>
> He missed notes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
> music was actually written using different tunings.
> So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
> actually intended by the composer at all.
>
>
> Dunno, I find this subject quite fascinating.
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, just one more thing on the subject:
>
> If you are a guitarist, you would probably tune your strings to be perfect
> 4ths or 5ths. E, A, A, D, D, G, B, E.
>
> You would NEVER do this on a piano, or you would find some notes
> rereconcilable.
> (From experience, the open B guitar string always has the problem here)
>
> If tuning for Equal Temperament, every 5th should be tuned slightly flat,
> and every 4th slightly sharp.

Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!

3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!

But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise that
wasn't there before!!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3




Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved down my
throat.

I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face, and my
ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 6:39:42 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 7:34:56 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > > Watch this.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
> >
> > He missed notes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, but the whole point of that video is to show that a lot of classical
> > music was actually written using different tunings.
> > So what you hear today, using Equal Temperament tuning, is not what was
> > actually intended by the composer at all.
> >
> >
> > Dunno, I find this subject quite fascinating.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gareth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, just one more thing on the subject:
> >
> > If you are a guitarist, you would probably tune your strings to be perfect
> > 4ths or 5ths. E, A, A, D, D, G, B, E.
> >
> > You would NEVER do this on a piano, or you would find some notes
> > rereconcilable.
> > (From experience, the open B guitar string always has the problem here)
> >
> > If tuning for Equal Temperament, every 5th should be tuned slightly flat,
> > and every 4th slightly sharp.
>
> Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
>
> 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
>
> But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise that
> wasn't there before!!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
>
>
>
>
> Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved down my
> throat.

Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.

That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play audio quality games, while I claim they do.

>
> I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face, and my
> ears.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU

OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix" version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!

Jack

>
>
>
> Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

> > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> >
> > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> >
> > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise that
> > wasn't there before!!...
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved down my
> > throat.
>
> Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
>
> That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play audio quality games, while I claim they do.
>
> >
> > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face, and my
> > ears.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
>
> OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix" version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
>
> Jack
>


Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released back in 1993.
Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old and new sounds.

Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

(Sounds kind of shonky today when compared with the kind of production qualities a 14 year old has in their bedroom nowadays)


Gareth.

[JackA]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> > >
> > > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> > >
> > > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise that
> > > wasn't there before!!...
> > >
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved down my
> > > throat.
> >
> > Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
> >
> > That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play audio quality games, while I claim they do.
> >
> > >
> > > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face, and my
> > > ears.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
> >
> > OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix" version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
> >
> > Jack
> >
>
>
> Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

- She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her! :)
>
> I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released back in 1993.
> Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old and new sounds.
>
> Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

-- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
-- Now I can sound like a PRO here! :)

>
> (Sounds kind of shonky today when compared with the kind of production qualities a 14 year old has in their bedroom nowadays)

-- What I was trying to say, on Wikipedia, it mentions the "remix" charted, but that's it. To my ears, it would have done better if issued about during the latter '70's.

-- Thank you for understanding.

Jack :)

>
>
> Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> > >
> > > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> > >
> > > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
> > > that
> > > wasn't there before!!...
> > >
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
> > > down my
> > > throat.
> >
> > Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did
> > boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but
> > not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
> >
> > That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
> > audio quality games, while I claim they do.
> >
> > >
> > > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
> > > and my
> > > ears.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
> >
> > OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much
> > better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
> > version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
> > nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
> > sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
> >
> > Jack
> >
>
>
> Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

- She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her! :)
>
> I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
> back in 1993.
> Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
> and new sounds.
>
> Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

-- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
-- Now I can sound like a PRO here! :)






The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
sound anything like one.
(Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")

The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
generation.
Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > > > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> > > >
> > > > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> > > >
> > > > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
> > > > that
> > > > wasn't there before!!...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > > > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
> > > > down my
> > > > throat.
> > >
> > > Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did
> > > boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but
> > > not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
> > >
> > > That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
> > > audio quality games, while I claim they do.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
> > > > and my
> > > > ears.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
> > >
> > > OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much
> > > better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
> > > version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
> > > nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
> > > sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> >
> >
> > Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".
>
> - She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her! :)
> >
> > I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
> > back in 1993.
> > Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
> > and new sounds.
> >
> > Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.
>
> -- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
> third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
> -- Now I can sound like a PRO here! :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
> 90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
> I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
> sound anything like one.
> (Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")
>
> The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
> generation.
> Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
> And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
> frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
> songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.

You are correct, I was in error!!!

I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not intended to be struck by the sticks.

Me, I prefer a human drummer.

For the large concerts, they used Maxi TR909...
http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/15/giant-tr-909-drum-machine/

Jack :)
>
>
>
> Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > > > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> > > >
> > > > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> > > >
> > > > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
> > > > that
> > > > wasn't there before!!...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > > > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
> > > > down my
> > > > throat.
> > >
> > > Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I
> > > did
> > > boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed,
> > > but
> > > not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
> > >
> > > That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
> > > audio quality games, while I claim they do.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
> > > > and my
> > > > ears.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
> > >
> > > OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done
> > > much
> > > better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
> > > version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
> > > nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
> > > sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> >
> >
> > Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".
>
> - She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her! :)
> >
> > I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
> > back in 1993.
> > Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
> > and new sounds.
> >
> > Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.
>
> -- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
> third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
> -- Now I can sound like a PRO here! :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
> 90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
> I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
> sound anything like one.
> (Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")
>
> The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
> generation.
> Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
> And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
> frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
> songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.

You are correct, I was in error!!!

I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not
intended to be struck by the sticks.




The French call the Charlestons. No idea why.
I had a Tech Spec in French once which asked if we were supplying "Charlie".

Made me laugh.



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 1:51:17 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
> > > > > Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!
> > > > >
> > > > > 3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!
> > > > >
> > > > > But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
> > > > > that
> > > > > wasn't there before!!...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/longtrain.mp3
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
> > > > > And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
> > > > > down my
> > > > > throat.
> > > >
> > > > Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I
> > > > did
> > > > boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed,
> > > > but
> > > > not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.
> > > >
> > > > That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
> > > > audio quality games, while I claim they do.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
> > > > > and my
> > > > > ears.
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU
> > > >
> > > > OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done
> > > > much
> > > > better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
> > > > version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
> > > > nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
> > > > sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".
> >
> > - She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her! :)
> > >
> > > I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
> > > back in 1993.
> > > Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
> > > and new sounds.
> > >
> > > Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.
> >
> > -- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
> > third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
> > -- Now I can sound like a PRO here! :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
> > 90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
> > I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
> > sound anything like one.
> > (Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")
> >
> > The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
> > generation.
> > Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
> > And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
> > frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
> > songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.
>
> You are correct, I was in error!!!
>
> I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not
> intended to be struck by the sticks.
>
>
>
>
> The French call the Charlestons. No idea why.
> I had a Tech Spec in French once which asked if we were supplying "Charlie".
>
> Made me laugh.

Ha!!!

I searched and found this!.... "In French a hi-hat pedal is still called Pedale Charleston".

Wonder if it has ANYTHING relating to the Charleston dance. It has Jazz roots!!

Interesting! Thanks :)

Jack


>
>
>
> Gareth.

[Scott Dorsey]

polymod > wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>>
>>I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
>>they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
>>tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
>
>I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
sometimes in the middle of a piece....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

polymod > wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>>
>>I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
>>they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
>>tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
>
>I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
sometimes in the middle of a piece....
--scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ah....thanks for the update...much appreciated!

Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
ear.
Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

Poly

[Gray_Wolf]

On 10/1/2015 4:03 PM, polymod wrote:
>
>
> "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>
> polymod > wrote:
>> "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
>>> they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
>>> tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.
>>
>> I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.
>
> I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
> temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
> sometimes in the middle of a piece....
> --scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Ah....thanks for the update...much appreciated!
>
> Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for equal
> temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by ear.
> Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!
>
> Poly

Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard that will
play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

[Trevor]

On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
> On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
>> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
>> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>
> Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
> want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.
>
> Trevor.
>
>


I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

--
Les Cargill

[geoff]

On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
> On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
>> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
>> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>
> Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
> want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

geoff

[Gareth Magennis]

"Geoff" wrote in message
...

On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
> On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
>> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
>> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>
> Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
> want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

geoff




The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.


Gareth.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 01-10-2015 22:03, polymod wrote:

> Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

I was surprised to see how fast a trained harpsichord operator was able
to fix a rented harpsichord that was delivered tuned to 440 and should
have been possibly 415 or so, not a few pre-concert tweaks but a total
retune.

Generally the instruments are temperamental and change tuning with
barometric pressure, humidity, temperature and CNN headline.

> Poly

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 02-10-2015 03:13, Les Cargill wrote:

> I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

> http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

very, thank you!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Trevor]

On 2/10/2015 5:43 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Geoff" wrote in message
> ...
> On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
>> On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
>>> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
>>> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>>
>> Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
>> want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.
>
> They do. Have done for years.
>
> The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.

Many have micro tuning, I didn't know the DX7 had presets for other
standard tunings however. But as I said, definitely trivial these days.

Trevor.

[geoff]

On 02/10/2015 21:51, Trevor wrote:
> On 2/10/2015 5:43 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> "Geoff" wrote in message
>> ...
>> On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
>>>> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
>>>> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>>>
>>> Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
>>> want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.
>>
>> They do. Have done for years.
>>
>> The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.
>
> Many have micro tuning, I didn't know the DX7 had presets for other
> standard tunings however. But as I said, definitely trivial these days.
>
> Trevor.
>
>
Iwonder if people enthusiastic about alternative tunings also tend to
drive unusual cars, etc.

geoff (just a boring old guy who prefers to be musically and socially
'compatible'....)

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >, polymod > wrote:
>
>Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
>equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
>ear.

My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.

We also have an organ in town where A=335... it is several notes flat
and was built so the longest pipe would fit precisely in the hold of a
particular ship that transported the thing from England in 1749. It
is not possible for normal keyboard players to play.

>Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

Guitar players stop to tune all the time! The harpsichord is just like
a guitar with more strings to get out of tune!
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"gray_wolf" wrote in message ...

<snip>
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard that
will
play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Only if there's a market for it!

Poly

[polymod]

"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...

On 02-10-2015 03:13, Les Cargill wrote:

> I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

> http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

very, thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes! Thanks!

Poly

[polymod]

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Micro tuning was added on the "DX7s" model. I have the original DX7 which
doesn't have this feature.

Poly

[polymod]

"Trevor" wrote in message ...

On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
> Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
> that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

FWIW, my very old Moog Sonic 6 has a "diatonic knob can turn an octave into
a fifth....or any interval I want within a one octave range.
I messed with it back in the day, but to a piano tuner it's like nails on a
blackboard.

Poly

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

>My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
>Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.

And, probably like myself with my ex, we thankfully didn't hang around long
enough to find out!

>We also have an organ in town where A=335... it is several notes flat
>and was built so the longest pipe would fit precisely in the hold of a
>particular ship that transported the thing from England in 1749. It
>is not possible for normal keyboard players to play.

Wow! that's way out. On one occasion a church custodian forgot to turn on
the heat so the pipes would warm up so I had to estimate where the pitch
would be. Thankfully the music the pianist and organist performed was very
avant-garde and probably added to the effect.

>>Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!
>Guitar players stop to tune all the time! The harpsichord is just like
>a guitar with more strings to get out of tune!

Yea, like 114 if it's a single manual....214 if it's double ;-)

Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

In article >, polymod > wrote:
>
>Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
>equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
>ear.

My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.




I have perfect pitch, and though I don't find alternative tunings at all
troublesome, I find it almost impossible to play a transposed keyboard or a
guitar with a capo.


Gareth.

[Angus Kerr]

Funny, I have perfect pitch too. I dont mind playing with a capo, since I start thinking relative, like 1 4 5 3 6 etc when it comes to the chords.

Funny story: I got really confused when I had to play a keyboard in a gig (I'm adequate on keys, only good for the most basic of parts), and somehow, between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be, being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I out? Amusing in hindsight....

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

Funny, I have perfect pitch too. I dont mind playing with a capo, since I
start thinking relative, like 1 4 5 3 6 etc when it comes to the chords.

Funny story: I got really confused when I had to play a keyboard in a gig
(I'm adequate on keys, only good for the most basic of parts), and somehow,
between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the
ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if
I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I
out? Amusing in hindsight....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good one!
My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the back
of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!
:-)

Poly

[Angus Kerr]

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:54:29 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
> "Angus Kerr" wrote in message
> somehow,
> between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
> transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the
> ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
> being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
> wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
> part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
> were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if
> I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I
> out? Amusing in hindsight....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Good one!
> My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the back
> of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
> For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!


Luckily few know about me. If you asked me to sing an A you'll get about 445Hz. Being first instrument violin, I can play at 440 tuning all right but prefer 443Hz, but I really battled recently playing with a pipe organ at about 435, it sounded so flat... I really had to concentrate on keeping my fingers from sharpening back to a more comfortable A. Orchestras like 443 and some even higher at 445. I don't know what they do about piano tuning though.

-Angus

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:54:29 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
> "Angus Kerr" wrote in message
> somehow,
> between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
> transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and
> the
> ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
> being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
> wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
> part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
> were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering
> if
> I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am
> I
> out? Amusing in hindsight....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Good one!
> My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the
> back
> of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
> For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!


Luckily few know about me. If you asked me to sing an A you'll get about
445Hz. Being first instrument violin, I can play at 440 tuning all right but
prefer 443Hz, but I really battled recently playing with a pipe organ at
about 435, it sounded so flat... I really had to concentrate on keeping my
fingers from sharpening back to a more comfortable A. Orchestras like 443
and some even higher at 445. I don't know what they do about piano tuning
though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Love the story!
As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple of
local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
digital, is another thing entirely!

Poly

[Angus Kerr]

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
-snip-
>>
>
> Love the story!
> As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple of
> local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
> digital, is another thing entirely!
>
> Poly

I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a couple of cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if there is, they tune to the piano.

I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans find it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though, was painful.

When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe with a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440, as the woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up at 443. I would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..

If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's amazing how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital tuners. I still have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old records, and you'll have to adjust the tuning of the instrument you're playing (if possible).

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
-snip-
>>
>
> Love the story!
> As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple
> of
> local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
> digital, is another thing entirely!
>
> Poly

I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a couple of
cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if there is, they
tune to the piano.

I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans find
it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though, was
painful.

When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe with
a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440, as the
woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up at 443. I
would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..

If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's amazing
how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital tuners. I still
have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old records, and you'll have to
adjust the tuning of the instrument you're playing (if possible).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ah...you bring up so many good points and it sounds like you have seen/heard
your share of pitch fluctuations.
This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)

Poly

[Tim Sprout]

On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:
>
>
> "Angus Kerr" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
> -snip-
>>>
>>
>> Love the story!
>> As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a
>> couple of
>> local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
>> digital, is another thing entirely!
>>
>> Poly
>
> I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a
> couple of cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if
> there is, they tune to the piano.
>
> I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans
> find it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though,
> was painful.
>
> When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe
> with a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440,
> as the woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up
> at 443. I would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..
>
> If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's
> amazing how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital
> tuners. I still have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old
> records, and you'll have to adjust the tuning of the instrument you're
> playing (if possible).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Ah...you bring up so many good points and it sounds like you have
> seen/heard your share of pitch fluctuations.
> This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)
>
> Poly

I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.

Tim Sprout

[Angus Kerr]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 8:18:49 PM UTC+2, Tim Sprout wrote:
> On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:
-snip-
> > This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)
> >
> > Poly
Give me a perfect pitch(er)!

>
> I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
> with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.
>
> Tim Sprout

Nah. I've been brainwashed by the well tempered scale.

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 8:18:49 PM UTC+2, Tim Sprout wrote:
> On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:
-snip-
> > This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)
> >
> > Poly
Give me a perfect pitch(er)!

>
> I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
> with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.
>
> Tim Sprout

Nah. I've been brainwashed by the well tempered scale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm with Angus with the scale and the pitch(er)!

Poly