Optical media - quality brands disappearing !

[geoff]

Taiyo-Yuden and JVC giving up ;-(

To Our Valued Business Partners:
June 11, 2015
Business Withdrawal by Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd. and Subsidiaries
Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd. hereby announces that it has decided to
withdraw from all businesses including the recording media business as
explained in detail below.

Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd. and all of our associates would like to
take this opportunity to express our heartfelt appreciation for your
long-lasting support. We are truly grateful for your business.

1. Reasons behind the business withdrawal
Victor Advanced Media has developed businesses centered on optical
recording media. As the larger storage capacity of hard disc drives
(HDDs) and the
use of cloud computing is driving changing market conditions, the market
for optical media products has been diminishing. Due to the decline in
demand in recent years and market outlook it has become increasingly
difficult to expect improvement in the future business environment.

Amid such circumstances and consistent with the policies of our parent
company, TAIYO YUDEN CO., LTD., we have decided to withdraw from our
businesses in their entirety.

2. Affected companies
1) Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd.
2) JVC Advanced Media U.S.A. Inc. (U.S. sales subsidiary)
3) JVC Advanced Media EUROPE GmbH (European sales subsidiary)
4) JVC Advanced Media (Tianjin) Co., Ltd. (Chinese sales subsidiary)

3. Future schedule
Our sales activities are scheduled to be terminated in December 2015.

Sincerely yours,
Hiroki Okamatsu
President and Representative Director
Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd.

[Gary Eickmeier]

Huh? What?

WTF do they expect to sell movies to the public on? Discs are out? They are
right now developing the standards and machines for recording and playing
back 4k material. I am a videographer. I need to sell my work on discs. You
can't put this much data in "the cloud." We need a physical product to hold
in our hands, stock the shelves with, collect. The TY and JVC discs are the
best there are. Watershield printable surface, reliable.

WTF, over?

Gary Eickmeier

[[email protected]]

Welcome to Star Trek, Gary!

Just press a button and your art, music, or
newspaper will be delivered on a screen or
speakers.


Why do you think so much framed art, vinyl,
VHS, and CDs end up at Goodwill nowadays??

[geoff]

On 17/06/2015 1:05 p.m., Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> Huh? What?
>
> WTF do they expect to sell movies to the public on? Discs are out? They are
> right now developing the standards and machines for recording and playing
> back 4k material. I am a videographer. I need to sell my work on discs. You
> can't put this much data in "the cloud." We need a physical product to hold
> in our hands, stock the shelves with, collect. The TY and JVC discs are the
> best there are. Watershield printable surface, reliable.
>
> WTF, over?
>
> Gary Eickmeier
>
>


Watersheild certainly the best for dupe/inkjet. Yeah - time to stock up !

Seems that the concensus of opinion is that everything is going to be
accessed online, which will end up reverting to the World Wide Wait that
we used to have as the pipes get blocked.

And the perceived value that one used to have, by purchasing something
physical, gets further trivialised into the zero-value that kids seem to
already have for music ;-(

geoff

[JackA]

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> Huh? What?
>
> WTF do they expect to sell movies to the public on? Discs are out? They are
> right now developing the standards and machines for recording and playing
> back 4k material. I am a videographer. I need to sell my work on discs. You
> can't put this much data in "the cloud." We need a physical product to hold
> in our hands, stock the shelves with, collect. The TY and JVC discs are the
> best there are. Watershield printable surface, reliable.
>
> WTF, over?

10-4 good buddy, I hear you. The new "wave" of the world is streaming. People no longer want clutter, like discs all over the place. Who cares if they have nothing physical to hold and/or sell later.

Jack
>
> Gary Eickmeier

[JackA]

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 10:28:30 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 17/06/2015 1:05 p.m., Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> > Huh? What?
> >
> > WTF do they expect to sell movies to the public on? Discs are out? They are
> > right now developing the standards and machines for recording and playing
> > back 4k material. I am a videographer. I need to sell my work on discs. You
> > can't put this much data in "the cloud." We need a physical product to hold
> > in our hands, stock the shelves with, collect. The TY and JVC discs are the
> > best there are. Watershield printable surface, reliable.
> >
> > WTF, over?
> >
> > Gary Eickmeier
> >
> >
>
>
> Watersheild certainly the best for dupe/inkjet. Yeah - time to stock up !

Yeah, let all stuff landfills to their max! :)

I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!

Jack
>
> Seems that the concensus of opinion is that everything is going to be
> accessed online, which will end up reverting to the World Wide Wait that
> we used to have as the pipes get blocked.
>
> And the perceived value that one used to have, by purchasing something
> physical, gets further trivialised into the zero-value that kids seem to
> already have for music ;-(
>
> geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/16/2015 10:55 PM, JackA wrote:
> I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they
> clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!

But can you tell what's on one without sticking it into a computer?


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[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 6:34:23 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/16/2015 10:55 PM, JackA wrote:
> > I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they
> > clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!
>
> But can you tell what's on one without sticking it into a computer?

A very good point, Mike! No, I can't. Actually, I now have (4) of these 128 GB sticks, and I attempt to remember contents by how much the outside case is worn or by physical differences. A lot of times I forget and have to search each stick to find contents.

Jack

>
>
> --
> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[[email protected]]

Mike Rivers wrote: "But can you tell what's on one without sticking
it into a computer? "

^^ +1,000,000,000! ^^

That's why I always keep the hard copies!!! Cassette, vinyl,
CD, VHS, DVD, etc. Best for quality at home or in car
CD Player, and can rip/DAW audio from any of it into files
for sticks, drives, iPods, whatever.

What I'll do with my collection - a mustard seed compared to
that guy's vinyl collection! - I haven't decided yet.

[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 8:54:18 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Mike Rivers wrote: "But can you tell what's on one without sticking
> it into a computer? "
>
> ^^ +1,000,000,000! ^^
>
> That's why I always keep the hard copies!!! Cassette, vinyl,
> CD, VHS, DVD, etc. Best for quality at home or in car
> CD Player, and can rip/DAW audio from any of it into files
> for sticks, drives, iPods, whatever.
>
> What I'll do with my collection - a mustard seed compared to
> that guy's vinyl collection! - I haven't decided yet.

Ask Mike how he fits written contents, maybe 500 individual song titles, on the surface of a CD?

Luckily, I had only (1) CD with CD rot. Even though I purchased it second-hand, Ace (UK) was very kind an replaced it free of all charges. Bless them. I later read it was a manufacturing process that screwed up the CD, and the booklet with acidic paper didn't help.

Jack

[Gary Eickmeier]

Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/16/2015 10:55 PM, JackA wrote:
>> I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they
>> clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!
>
> But can you tell what's on one without sticking it into a computer?

Yes good point - we complained about the size of the jackets on CDs when
they came out. So how do you put graphics and text on a goddam download? I
suppose you could download a "jacket" of info at the same time, but that is
a little too late for me to look it over before buying.

OK so, I go to Amazon to look for some music. I can easily find the name of
the disc, the info on it, etc. So instead of downloading I vastly prefer to
have the disc. Why? Because then I have something I can take with me, put in
any player, SEE, read, etc without having to put it in a computer and stare
at a screen. I prefer books that way too, so I can read them anywhere. Smart
phones are too small, pads and laptops too big.

Gary Eickmeier

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/17/2015 9:17 AM, JackA wrote:
> Ask Mike how he fits written contents, maybe 500 individual song
> titles, on the surface of a CD?

My CDs mostly have 12-16 songs on them. And many of them already come
with the song titles printed on them, or in a nice case or envelope with
the information in tiny, hard-to-read print.

What's on my hard drive? Mostly 2 or 3 hour radio programs, with the
file names being the name of the show and the date. I copy those to my
phone or MP3 player, and sometimes to a thumb drive if I expect to have
a rental car with a radio that can play from one. Not a very long list
at all. And I don't care about the song titles. There's a live person
who announces them for me (if I really cared).




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[Gary Eickmeier]

JackA wrote:

> 10-4 good buddy, I hear you. The new "wave" of the world is
> streaming. People no longer want clutter, like discs all over the
> place. Who cares if they have nothing physical to hold and/or sell
> later.
>
> Jack

I get my discs mostly from B&H. We were finally able to get the good
Watershield Blu-ray discs, and I needed another hit of those. Huh, what? Not
available any more? What is going on? They wouldn't or couldn't tell me. So
yesterday I bought some Watershield DVD blanks and CD blanks, and will look
for some ordinary Blu-rays at the Office Depot.

The obvious problem with downloads only is the ease of theft and piracy. We
would hope that the record companies will put up a stink.

And think about the future historian hunting for ancient downloads of some
famous artist in some attic. "Oh, look - a hard drive with Bernstein's
initials on it." Too bad it is on a file system that is no longer supported.

Gary Eickmeier

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/17/2015 9:39 AM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> we complained about the size of the jackets on CDs when
> they came out. So how do you put graphics and text on a goddam download? I
> suppose you could download a "jacket" of info at the same time, but that is
> a little too late for me to look it over before buying.

I believe that for most commercial CDs that are available through
legitimate download channels, there's also artwork and text notes. But
that's more files to keep track of. Seems like I ran across a media file
player that displayed the artwork if it was properly linked to the audio
file. So the bases are covered, but they're completely computer dependent.

When I get that 72" TV set, I'll hook it up to a computer and display
album artwork on that so I can see it from across the room.

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[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 9:39 AM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> > we complained about the size of the jackets on CDs when
> > they came out. So how do you put graphics and text on a goddam download? I
> > suppose you could download a "jacket" of info at the same time, but that is
> > a little too late for me to look it over before buying.
>
> I believe that for most commercial CDs that are available through
> legitimate download channels, there's also artwork and text notes. But
> that's more files to keep track of. Seems like I ran across a media file
> player that displayed the artwork if it was properly linked to the audio
> file. So the bases are covered, but they're completely computer dependent.
>
> When I get that 72" TV set, I'll hook it up to a computer and display
> album artwork on that so I can see it from across the room.
>
> --
> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

My "beef" with downloads, even on Amazon. On a Kit-Kats (if you remember them), the actual (Jamie/Guyden) CD contained video content. Rather than hunt for my purchased CD, I downloaded the compilation. No where did I find the video(s)!!!

Off topic: Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to blame.

Jack

[Neil[_9_]]

On 6/16/2015 9:05 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> Huh? What?
>
> WTF do they expect to sell movies to the public on? Discs are out? They are
> right now developing the standards and machines for recording and playing
> back 4k material. I am a videographer. I need to sell my work on discs. You
> can't put this much data in "the cloud." [...]
>
It sounds like it is time for you to join the world of today, because
the writing on the wall regarding tomorrow's world is pretty clear. A
few years ago, I bought a ROKU Streaming Media Player.

https://www.roku.com/

Even then, there were similar products on the market, and today "smart
TVs" offer many of the capabilities of these units, as do many other
options such as computers, tablets and phones.

The end result is that I haven't bought a video in years. There is no
need to own a physical object for something that one might watch maybe
two or three times. This trend has already hit every media content
provider to the extent that even cable companies can't justify their
costly add-on services. No need to have a DVR (tried to buy one
lately?). No need to have a restricted selection of pay per view items.
No need to pay on-going monthly costs for "premium channels", because
all of this content is available via streaming on a pay-as-you-use-it
basis.

What I find interesting about all of this is how many "industries"
digital media has crushed.
--
Best regards,

Neil

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/17/2015 11:06 AM, JackA wrote:
> Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual
> format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be
> able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to
> blame.

I doubt that I have any. I only have a handful of DVDs and an old DVD
player, and an old CD player as well. I prefer to play my CDs in the CD
player because it play them right off. The DVD player has to poke around
for a while before it figures out whether it's a CD or DVD that it has
to play. I know, this goes in the bin with the "My new computer boots a
couple of seconds slower (or faster) than the old one." I really
shouldn't care, just that I stand there at the player until it starts
playing just in case I need to re-load the disk. .

I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
"layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.


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[John Williamson]

On 17/06/2015 17:52, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 11:06 AM, JackA wrote:
>> Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual
>> format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be
>> able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to
>> blame.
>
> I doubt that I have any. I only have a handful of DVDs and an old DVD
> player, and an old CD player as well. I prefer to play my CDs in the CD
> player because it play them right off. The DVD player has to poke around
> for a while before it figures out whether it's a CD or DVD that it has
> to play. I know, this goes in the bin with the "My new computer boots a
> couple of seconds slower (or faster) than the old one." I really
> shouldn't care, just that I stand there at the player until it starts
> playing just in case I need to re-load the disk. .
>
> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.
>
>
I've come across commercial DVDs with two films on, one per side, and
the DVD spec provides for two layers per side, as few movies will fit
into the 4.7 gigabytes available per layer. It would be possible
technically to produce a double sided drive, but the direction of
rotation would have to reverse if data was being looked for on the side
that wasn't currently being read.

I've never heard of discs which played as a CD one side and a DVD the
other, though it should be possible to make them.

I have seen but never used dual layer recordable DVDs, I've also heard
bad reports about their compatibility with drives other than those used
to make the particular disc and their reliability. I've also heard nasty
reports about DVD-RAM.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:52:14 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 11:06 AM, JackA wrote:
> > Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual
> > format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be
> > able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to
> > blame.
>
> I doubt that I have any. I only have a handful of DVDs and an old DVD
> player, and an old CD player as well. I prefer to play my CDs in the CD
> player because it play them right off. The DVD player has to poke around
> for a while before it figures out whether it's a CD or DVD that it has
> to play. I know, this goes in the bin with the "My new computer boots a
> couple of seconds slower (or faster) than the old one." I really
> shouldn't care, just that I stand there at the player until it starts
> playing just in case I need to re-load the disk. .
>
> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.

No, not layered. I ASSUME the disc is actually embedded, rather than on one surface. One CD/DVD was a Talking Heads compilation, by Rhino Records.

And, I was fooled and discovered accidentally how crude CDs are manufactured. Purchased a CD-R with photos on eBay. Reader had trouble deciphering contents. Found blemish under adhesive Avery label. Decided to peel off the label and ended up with a clear hole. I initially thought an aluminum disc was embedded in plastic! Far cry from that!

Jack
>
>
> --
> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:52:14 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 11:06 AM, JackA wrote:
> > Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual
> > format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be
> > able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to
> > blame.
>
> I doubt that I have any. I only have a handful of DVDs and an old DVD
> player, and an old CD player as well. I prefer to play my CDs in the CD
> player because it play them right off. The DVD player has to poke around
> for a while before it figures out whether it's a CD or DVD that it has
> to play. I know, this goes in the bin with the "My new computer boots a
> couple of seconds slower (or faster) than the old one." I really
> shouldn't care, just that I stand there at the player until it starts
> playing just in case I need to re-load the disk. .
>
> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.

Mike, sorry, I believe these THINGS are typically called DualDiscs. Not DVD video, but audio content, maybe 5.1 audio mixes...

http://www.amazon.com/Talking-Heads-Dualdisc-Brick/dp/B000B5XSK8/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

OT:
One thing I discovered (via CD reviews) about people, and yes, Americans - they prefer quantity over quality. Why Rhino became gained popularity. Not Superior audio, toss in some vinyl rips, but a few additional songs is what most favor.

Jack

>
>
> --
> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[geoff]

On 18/06/2015 4:52 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 11:06 AM, JackA wrote:
>> Hey, Mike, have you (or anyone else) ever successfully played a dual
>> format disc, one with DVD on one side CD on the other. I failed to be
>> able to play them on any computer I tried. I guess laser focus is to
>> blame.
>
> I doubt that I have any. I only have a handful of DVDs and an old DVD
> player, and an old CD player as well. I prefer to play my CDs in the
> CD player because it play them right off. The DVD player has to poke
> around for a while before it figures out whether it's a CD or DVD that
> it has to play. I know, this goes in the bin with the "My new computer
> boots a couple of seconds slower (or faster) than the old one." I
> really shouldn't care, just that I stand there at the player until it
> starts playing just in case I need to re-load the disk. .
>
> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.
>
>

DVD-18 can have both sides recorded two layers. Don't know if any
actually exist....


geoff

[geoff]

On 18/06/2015 6:55 a.m., JackA wrote:
> And, I was fooled and discovered accidentally how crude CDs are
> manufactured. Purchased a CD-R with photos on eBay. Reader had trouble
> deciphering contents. Found blemish under adhesive Avery label.
> Decided to peel off the label and ended up with a clear hole. I
> initially thought an aluminum disc was embedded in plastic! Far cry
> from that! Jack

Um, I wouldn't call that "manufactured". It's just a CD-R than somebody
stuck a label on, which is bad practice for many reasons.

geoff

[JackA]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 5:13:28 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 18/06/2015 6:55 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > And, I was fooled and discovered accidentally how crude CDs are
> > manufactured. Purchased a CD-R with photos on eBay. Reader had trouble
> > deciphering contents. Found blemish under adhesive Avery label.
> > Decided to peel off the label and ended up with a clear hole. I
> > initially thought an aluminum disc was embedded in plastic! Far cry
> > from that! Jack
>
> Um, I wouldn't call that "manufactured". It's just a CD-R than somebody
> stuck a label on, which is bad practice for many reasons.

I agree, but it did highlight how delicate these CDs actually are. Imagine that, destroyed by an adhesive label.

Jack

>
> geoff

[Trevor]

On 17/06/2015 10:54 PM, wrote:
> Mike Rivers wrote: "But can you tell what's on one without sticking
> it into a computer? "

Yep, all my removable media is cataloged on my database for easy search.

> ^^ +1,000,000,000! ^^
>
> That's why I always keep the hard copies!!! Cassette, vinyl,
> CD, VHS, DVD, etc.

Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 17/06/2015 10:44 PM, JackA wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 6:34:23 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
>> On 6/16/2015 10:55 PM, JackA wrote:
>>> I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they
>>> clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!
>>
>> But can you tell what's on one without sticking it into a
>> computer?
>
> A very good point, Mike! No, I can't. Actually, I now have (4) of
> these 128 GB sticks, and I attempt to remember contents by how much
> the outside case is worn or by physical differences. A lot of times I
> forget and have to search each stick to find contents.

Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
each so you know which is which?

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote:

"Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!

Trevor. "


Still, I recommend you keep your hard copies - as BACK-UP.
I can't recommend that enough times. Otherwise, I'll see
you at Goodwill or Salvation Army. ;)

[Trevor]

On 18/06/2015 2:52 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.

Nope there are double sided disks as well as single sided dual layer and
single sided single layer. I have yet to see a double sided dual layer,
but they may exist as well.

Trevor.

[John Williamson]

On 18/06/2015 10:21, Trevor wrote:
> On 18/06/2015 2:52 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
>> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.
>
> Nope there are double sided disks as well as single sided dual layer and
> single sided single layer. I have yet to see a double sided dual layer,
> but they may exist as well.
>
>
I've got a couple of DSDL discs sitting on the shelf, but as
commercially produced movie compilations, produced by the normal glass
master method. I've yet to see the DSDL recordable DVD.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Trevor]

On 18/06/2015 7:20 PM, wrote:
> Trevor wrote:
>
> "Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
> less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!
>
> Still, I recommend you keep your hard copies - as BACK-UP.

No need to recommend that, I still have ALL my records and tapes, even
though I will never want to play some of them ever again! And others I
might not live long enough to need :-)
And my digital files are all backed up as well.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 18/06/2015 7:26 PM, John Williamson wrote:
> On 18/06/2015 10:21, Trevor wrote:
>> On 18/06/2015 2:52 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>>> I didn't know that DVDs had an "other" side. They refer a lot to
>>> "layers" so maybe that's wht you mean.
>>
>> Nope there are double sided disks as well as single sided dual layer and
>> single sided single layer. I have yet to see a double sided dual layer,
>> but they may exist as well.
>>
>>
> I've got a couple of DSDL discs sitting on the shelf, but as
> commercially produced movie compilations, produced by the normal glass
> master method.

Yeah that's what I meant. I knew it was possible, I just hadn't seen
any. I have seen 30 disc sets of DVD's and they still don't bother with
double sided to cut that number in half.
(the James Bond movie collection for example)

>I've yet to see the DSDL recordable DVD.

Me either I don't think *they* exist. And I certainly wouldn't want to
buy any!

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote: "No need to recommend that, I still
have ALL my records and tapes, even "


Then you're in fine shape. But judging from
what I see at the aforementioned thrift stores,
the vast majority are not.


Oh well, their loss - my gain! :D

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/18/2015 5:15 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> these 128 GB sticks,

> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
> each so you know which is which?

I have a bowl full of 4GB and smaller thumb drives and I often put a
label on one, but that's if there's only one or two things on it, for
example a couple of radio programs or a concert recording. But if like
you, I have 11,000 songs on it, I don't think I can write that much on a
label, or read it if I could.

As far as putting a number on it, well, then you have to go somewhere
else to see a list of what's on the drive.


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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/18/2015 5:13 AM, Trevor wrote:
> Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
> less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!

Only if you're near the computer with the data base and it's up and
running. What about when you're in the car?

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[JackA]

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 5:15:48 AM UTC-4, Trevor wrote:
> On 17/06/2015 10:44 PM, JackA wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 6:34:23 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> >> On 6/16/2015 10:55 PM, JackA wrote:
> >>> I just tossed a brand new stack of (50) CD-Rs. Why, because they
> >>> clutter. Love my 128 GB sticks!!!
> >>
> >> But can you tell what's on one without sticking it into a
> >> computer?
> >
> > A very good point, Mike! No, I can't. Actually, I now have (4) of
> > these 128 GB sticks, and I attempt to remember contents by how much
> > the outside case is worn or by physical differences. A lot of times I
> > forget and have to search each stick to find contents.
>
> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
> each so you know which is which?

So far, just by wear and tear and/or minor mechanical clues! :-)
I have (4) four. A coworker recommended http://www.sandisk.com/ and so far, their products made me a believer, too.

Jack
>
> Trevor.

[JackA]

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 7:36:38 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/18/2015 5:13 AM, Trevor wrote:
> > Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
> > less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!
>
> Only if you're near the computer with the data base and it's up and
> running. What about when you're in the car?

These days, cars are equipped with back-up devices so data loss isn't an issue!

Sorry, just my silly humor :-)

Jack

>
> --
> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Trevor]

On 18/06/2015 9:35 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/18/2015 5:15 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>> these 128 GB sticks,
>> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
>> each so you know which is which?
>
> I have a bowl full of 4GB and smaller thumb drives and I often put a
> label on one, but that's if there's only one or two things on it, for
> example a couple of radio programs or a concert recording. But if like
> you, I have 11,000 songs on it, I don't think I can write that much on a
> label, or read it if I could.

You do seem to have a problem with databases. No way would I want to
write all that info when my computer can do it for me automatically.
IF you really need to, attach a printout to each drive. I wouldn't but
seems to be what you need for some reason.


> As far as putting a number on it, well, then you have to go somewhere
> else to see a list of what's on the drive.

If there is more than one file on the drive you are always going to have
to do that, but since I use my USB sticks mainly with my computer, it
really is NOT a problem. The point of the number is so your database can
tell you what drive to look for. You can even save the database file for
that drive on the drive itself as well so you can view it on any
computer you stick it into. But some people will always find something
to complain about it seems!

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 18/06/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/18/2015 5:13 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> Hell, I can open up my database and find anything in a few seconds, FAR
>> less time than I could ever find a particular record, CD, or tape!!
>
> Only if you're near the computer with the data base and it's up and
> running. What about when you're in the car?
>

Only have/need one in the car, so where's the problem? And would you
read a printout of what's on the drive while you are driving anyway? I
wouldn't! Nor would I rummage through a box of CD's while driving.
Having all my songs on one drive is a *huge* bonus in the car AFAIC.

Trevor.

[geoff]

On 20/06/2015 11:49 p.m., Trevor wrote:
> On 18/06/2015 9:35 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>> On 6/18/2015 5:15 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>>> these 128 GB sticks,
>>> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
>>> each so you know which is which?
>>
>> I have a bowl full of 4GB and smaller thumb drives and I often put a
>> label on one, but that's if there's only one or two things on it, for
>> example a couple of radio programs or a concert recording. But if like
>> you, I have 11,000 songs on it, I don't think I can write that much on a
>> label, or read it if I could.
>
> You do seem to have a problem with databases. No way would I want to
> write all that info when my computer can do it for me automatically.


And do you take your computer to the toilet to help you there too ?

geoff

[[email protected]]

Geoff wrote: "And do you take your computer
to the toilet to help you there too ? "


Folks, and by the way nothing personal Geoff,
the above is an example of what we don't need
on this fine newsgroup.


While not as caustic
as the arrows flung at me by our pal from
Massachusetts, it floods this thread with
negative energy and contributes zero
intelligence.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/20/2015 8:39 AM, geoff wrote:
> And do you take your computer to the toilet to help you there too ?

I was thinking more along the lines of taking the computer along in the
car, but he probably has a phone or player for that, or one of those
newer cars where he can just plug in the USB drive and scroll through
the list of 11,000 songs that shows up on the dashboard. Hopefully he
isn't driving at the time.

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/20/2015 7:54 AM, Trevor wrote:
> And would you read a printout of what's on the drive while you are
> driving anyway? I wouldn't! Nor would I rummage through a box of CD's
> while driving. Having all my songs on one drive is a *huge* bonus in the
> car AFAIC.

This is a matter of listening habits. I have 10 hours worth of music on
a USB drive, but it's composed of only five files. You may be content
with starting at the top and hearing the songs as they come along, or
perhaps taken the time to create a playlist (yet another data base
application) and then start that going before you leave the driveway.

And, yes, I have a problem with data bases, and that it's not there
until I create it. With your music, you can let your computer do most of
the work. With my music, I have to enter everything manually, which
usually involves listening. Then I've listened, and I may not have any
desire to listen again for quite some time.

--
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[Trevor]

On 20/06/2015 10:39 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 20/06/2015 11:49 p.m., Trevor wrote:
>> On 18/06/2015 9:35 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>>> On 6/18/2015 5:15 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>> these 128 GB sticks,
>>>> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
>>>> each so you know which is which?
>>>
>>> I have a bowl full of 4GB and smaller thumb drives and I often put a
>>> label on one, but that's if there's only one or two things on it, for
>>> example a couple of radio programs or a concert recording. But if like
>>> you, I have 11,000 songs on it, I don't think I can write that much on a
>>> label, or read it if I could.
>>
>> You do seem to have a problem with databases. No way would I want to
>> write all that info when my computer can do it for me automatically.
>
>
> And do you take your computer to the toilet to help you there too ?


No, what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 20/06/2015 11:06 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> I was thinking more along the lines of taking the computer along in the
> car, but he probably has a phone or player for that, or one of those
> newer cars where he can just plug in the USB drive and scroll through
> the list of 11,000 songs that shows up on the dashboard. Hopefully he
> isn't driving at the time.

You guys really are stupid, and just like to argue pointlessly forever.
Why on earth would finding a track on my car media player be any more
difficult than finding it on a stack of CD's? I don't do EITHER while
I'm driving. It sure is easier to switch albums or play lists while I'm
stopped though, that's for sure.

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/20/2015 9:57 AM, Trevor wrote:
> Why on earth would finding a track on my car media player be any more
> difficult than finding it on a stack of CD's?

Probably no easier. The difference is that you want to find a particular
track, one out of 11,000 (which will probably grow since you likely see
no need to delete any). I want to find one radio program, one out of
ten. And once I've listened to a program, I'll delete the file, so the
lot never really gets very big. For me it's a choice of whether I want
to listen to straight-ahead bluegrass, old country music, rockabilly,
general world music, African music, country blues, or jazz. I let the DJ
choose specifically what songs I hear; I listen to those programs
because I'm happy with their choices.

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/20/2015 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
> what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?

I could plug one into my phone, but I don't.

--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Trevor]

On 21/06/2015 12:17 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/20/2015 9:57 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> Why on earth would finding a track on my car media player be any more
>> difficult than finding it on a stack of CD's?
>
> Probably no easier. The difference is that you want to find a particular
> track, one out of 11,000 (which will probably grow since you likely see
> no need to delete any). I want to find one radio program, one out of
> ten. And once I've listened to a program, I'll delete the file, so the
> lot never really gets very big. For me it's a choice of whether I want
> to listen to straight-ahead bluegrass, old country music, rockabilly,
> general world music, African music, country blues, or jazz. I let the DJ
> choose specifically what songs I hear; I listen to those programs
> because I'm happy with their choices.

Good for you. I'm not! But I still have that choice if I ever wanted it.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 21/06/2015 12:19 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 6/20/2015 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?
>
> I could plug one into my phone, but I don't.

I don't use my phone in the toilet either!

Trevor.

[UnsteadyKen[_5_]]

In article: >

geoff says...

> And do you take your computer to the toilet to help you there too ?
>
Nope, he works it out with a pencil.


--
Ken O'Meara

List of UK hi-fi & audio dealers:
http://unsteadyken.esy.es/

[None]

< k-toddler @ whinersRus. com> wept and gnashed it's teeth in message
...

> While not as caustic
> as the arrows flung at me by our pal from
> Massachusetts,

You're probably whining about me, although I'm not from Massachusetts
(another subject on which you're a dumb****). But at least you're
still ignoring me, even ignoring me so hard that you change the
subject to me. Will you ever get over your obsession with me? Maybe
you should look up that big scary work "ignore," and see if you can
figure out what it really means. And I'm not your pal, either, I
don't ride your short bus.

> it floods this thread with
> negative energy and contributes zero
> intelligence.

Ha ha! Zero intelligence, that's your middle name, isn't it? Krissie
Zerointelligence Dumb****ie? The whiner who drops F-bombs and then
whines about someone mentioning the toilet; that's you, Krissie.
Negative energy? That's you, too, whining boy.

Maybe you should report yourself to the NSA, FBI, and interpol.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>On 6/20/2015 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?
>
>I could plug one into my phone, but I don't.

In Japan, you could plug it directly into the toilet, assuming your toilet does
not already support a bluetooth connection to your phone.

I'm kind of glad I'm not in Japan.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 21/06/2015 12:55 a.m., wrote:
> Geoff wrote: "And do you take your computer
> to the toilet to help you there too ? "
>
>
> Folks, and by the way nothing personal Geoff,light-hearted
> the above is an example of what we don't need
> on this fine newsgroup.
>
>
> While not as caustic
> as the arrows flung at me by our pal from
> Massachusetts, it floods this thread with
> negative energy and contributes zero
> intelligence.
>


Grow a thicker skin rocketman. Hopefully most will see the jest about
having a computer within reach at any time to perform any duty one may
require.

geoff

[geoff]

On 21/06/2015 1:57 a.m., Trevor wrote:
> On 20/06/2015 11:06 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>> I was thinking more along the lines of taking the computer along in the
>> car, but he probably has a phone or player for that, or one of those
>> newer cars where he can just plug in the USB drive and scroll through
>> the list of 11,000 songs that shows up on the dashboard. Hopefully he
>> isn't driving at the time.
>
> You guys really are stupid, and just like to argue pointlessly forever.
> Why on earth would finding a track on my car media player be any more
> difficult than finding it on a stack of CD's? I don't do EITHER while
> I'm driving. It sure is easier to switch albums or play lists while I'm
> stopped though, that's for sure.
>
> Trevor.
>
>


That's what I use an iPod for (my ONLY Apple device), on random, and
with an easy Forward switch on the car 'radio' that talks iLanguage,
apparently.

geoff

[geoff]

On 21/06/2015 1:50 a.m., Trevor wrote:
> On 20/06/2015 10:39 PM, geoff wrote:
>> On 20/06/2015 11:49 p.m., Trevor wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2015 9:35 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>>>> On 6/18/2015 5:15 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>> these 128 GB sticks,
>>>>> Hell, is it really that hard to put a sticker or scratch a number on
>>>>> each so you know which is which?
>>>>
>>>> I have a bowl full of 4GB and smaller thumb drives and I often put a
>>>> label on one, but that's if there's only one or two things on it, for
>>>> example a couple of radio programs or a concert recording. But if like
>>>> you, I have 11,000 songs on it, I don't think I can write that much
>>>> on a
>>>> label, or read it if I could.
>>>
>>> You do seem to have a problem with databases. No way would I want to
>>> write all that info when my computer can do it for me automatically.
>>
>>
>> And do you take your computer to the toilet to help you there too ?
>
>
> No, what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?
>
> Trevor.
>
>


Plug them in !

(_)*(_)

geoff

[geoff]

On 21/06/2015 2:24 a.m., Trevor wrote:
> On 21/06/2015 12:19 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
>> On 6/20/2015 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>> what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?
>>
>> I could plug one into my phone, but I don't.
>
> I don't use my phone in the toilet either!

Apparently that used to be the #1 cause for mobiles to be taken in for
repair. Yuk.

geoff

[geoff]

On 21/06/2015 3:49 a.m., Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>> On 6/20/2015 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>> what exactly do YOU do with your USB drives in the toilet?
>>
>> I could plug one into my phone, but I don't.
>
> In Japan, you could plug it directly into the toilet, assuming your toilet does
> not already support a bluetooth connection to your phone.
>
> I'm kind of glad I'm not in Japan.
> --scott
>


Surely that would be Browntooth ?

geoff

[Carla Fong[_2_]]

On 6/16/2015 4:34 PM, geoff wrote:
> Taiyo-Yuden and JVC giving up ;-(
>
> To Our Valued Business Partners:
> June 11, 2015
> Business Withdrawal by Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd. and Subsidiaries
> Victor Advanced Media Co., Ltd. hereby announces that it has decided to
> withdraw from all businesses including the recording media business as
> explained in detail below.

All this streaming and cloud stuff is wonderful, but what about the
likelihood of some sort of 'revisionist history' if the source documents
- music, newspapers, etc... are not physically archived?

Orwell predicted 'newspeak' - this is it on steroids!

Carla

Friends, the press and the government are together in bed in an embrace
so intimate and wrong, they could spoon on a twin mattress and still
have room for Ted Koppel. Journalists used to question the reasons for
war and expose the abuse of power. Now like toothless babies they suckle
on the sugary teat of misinformation and poop it into the diaper we call
the 6 o'clock news. Demand more of your government. Demand more of your
press! Vote out your so-called representatives. Reject your corporate
masters. Buy nothing. Hug your children. Love the one you're with. ~
Kent Brockman, Springfield news anchor

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, Carla Fong wrote:
> All this streaming and cloud stuff is wonderful, but what about the
> likelihood of some sort of 'revisionist history' if the source documents
> - music, newspapers, etc... are not physically archived?

People today don't care about history because to them, music and books
are temporary. There will be more new ones tomorrow.

And they don't care about people in the future who may want to know the
history of the pasture.

--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>People today don't care about history because to them, music and books
>are temporary. There will be more new ones tomorrow.

It's not just today, it's always been that way.

>And they don't care about people in the future who may want to know the
>history of the pasture.

Which is why so many poorly-stored media from decades ago turn up today.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[JackA]

On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 11:33:36 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> >People today don't care about history because to them, music and books
> >are temporary. There will be more new ones tomorrow.
>
> It's not just today, it's always been that way.
>
> >And they don't care about people in the future who may want to know the
> >history of the pasture.
>
> Which is why so many poorly-stored media from decades ago turn up today.

You remember that song from '72, King Harvest, Dancing In The Moonlight? Well, a guy [Vince Romano] right here in NJ found the MASTER tape to the album at a Flea Market!!! He had it and other tapes in his basement, poorly stored (and it sounds it!).

He was disappointed when he turned the tape over to the artist, no credit whatsoever.

What's a book? :-)

Jack


> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."