Remixing for Recharting

[JackA]

Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @ #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited...

This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3

Just stressing a point about REMIXING.

Thank You.

Jack

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
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Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted
@ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @
#8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited...

This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3

Just stressing a point about REMIXING.

Thank You.

Jack





Way too much reverb IMHO.


Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:25:19 AM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted
> @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @
> #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited....
>
> This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
> radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
>
> Just stressing a point about REMIXING.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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> Way too much reverb IMHO.

Maybe so. But my theory is, the electric guitar is on its way out. I mean, how many more songs need an electric guitar? Sort of like the sound of Big Bands passing from Pop music. Well, the time has come for electric guitars. Why I hear more computer generated sounds in today's Pop music than ever before. Anyway, I'm guessing Bob realized this is set the electric guitars back, moved drumming forwards, to give it a new, more current sound.

Thanks. G'.

Jack
>
>
> Gareth.

[John Williamson]

On 29/05/2015 17:46, JackA wrote:
> On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:25:19 AM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> "JackA" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted
>> @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @
>> #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited...
>>
>> This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
>> radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
>>
>> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
>>
>> Just stressing a point about REMIXING.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Way too much reverb IMHO.
>
> Maybe so. But my theory is, the electric guitar is on its way out. I mean, how many more songs need an electric guitar? Sort of like the sound of Big Bands passing from Pop music. Well, the time has come for electric guitars. Why I hear more computer generated sounds in today's Pop music than ever before. Anyway, I'm guessing Bob realized this is set the electric guitars back, moved drumming forwards, to give it a new, more current sound.
>
“We don’t like their sound. Groups of guitars are on the way out.”
—Decca Recording Company executive, turning down the Beatles, 1962

The Beatles did, of course, go on to do rather well...

You can get *much* more expressive playing out of a decent guitar than
any keyboard or computer based instrument.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[JackA]

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 1:53:41 PM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 29/05/2015 17:46, JackA wrote:
> > On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:25:19 AM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> >> "JackA" wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted
> >> @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @
> >> #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited...
> >>
> >> This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
> >> radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
> >>
> >> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
> >>
> >> Just stressing a point about REMIXING.
> >>
> >> Thank You.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Way too much reverb IMHO.
> >
> > Maybe so. But my theory is, the electric guitar is on its way out. I mean, how many more songs need an electric guitar? Sort of like the sound of Big Bands passing from Pop music. Well, the time has come for electric guitars. Why I hear more computer generated sounds in today's Pop music than ever before. Anyway, I'm guessing Bob realized this is set the electric guitars back, moved drumming forwards, to give it a new, more current sound.
> >
> "We don't like their sound. Groups of guitars are on the way out."
> --Decca Recording Company executive, turning down the Beatles, 1962
>
> The Beatles did, of course, go on to do rather well...


w/ Payola *sigh*


>
> You can get *much* more expressive playing out of a decent guitar than
> any keyboard or computer based instrument.

Even John Cougar said "Rock Is Dead". I wonder what instrument he plays.
McCartney, such an acclaimed song writer, his last US Top 40 hit - circa 1989.
IF it weren't for the electric guitar, Rock music wouldn't even exist.

Jack

> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:25:19 AM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK
> charted
> @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted
> @
> #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming.
> Edited...
>
> This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
> radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
>
> Just stressing a point about REMIXING.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
> Way too much reverb IMHO.

Maybe so. But my theory is, the electric guitar is on its way out. I mean,
how many more songs need an electric guitar? Sort of like the sound of Big
Bands passing from Pop music. Well, the time has come for electric guitars.
Why I hear more computer generated sounds in today's Pop music than ever
before. Anyway, I'm guessing Bob realized this is set the electric guitars
back, moved drumming forwards, to give it a new, more current sound.

Thanks. G'.

Jack
>
>
> Gareth.




Well my theory is, totally based upon listening to this one mp3, that Bob
was asked to make a British 4-piece band sound like an American FM AOR
broadcast.

I guess he probably did that rather well.



Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

You can get *much* more expressive playing out of a decent guitar than
any keyboard or computer based instrument.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.



I think you need to restate that as:

"I can get *much* more expressive playing out of a decent guitar than
I am able to get from any keyboard or computer based instrument"




Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:43:14 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:25:19 AM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK
> > charted
> > @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted
> > @
> > #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming.
> > Edited...
> >
> > This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock
> > radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
> >
> > Just stressing a point about REMIXING.
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Way too much reverb IMHO.
>
> Maybe so. But my theory is, the electric guitar is on its way out. I mean,
> how many more songs need an electric guitar? Sort of like the sound of Big
> Bands passing from Pop music. Well, the time has come for electric guitars.
> Why I hear more computer generated sounds in today's Pop music than ever
> before. Anyway, I'm guessing Bob realized this is set the electric guitars
> back, moved drumming forwards, to give it a new, more current sound.
>
> Thanks. G'.
>
> Jack
> >
> >
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
> Well my theory is, totally based upon listening to this one mp3, that Bob
> was asked to make a British 4-piece band sound like an American FM AOR
> broadcast.
>
> I guess he probably did that rather well.

Not a bad guess. Not even sure his remixing caused it to rechart.

Actually, I was surprised to find US Hits surfaced in the UK, like a decade later, and charted Top 40!!! Mainly R&B material.

Jack

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>
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> Gareth.

[JackA]

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 8:23:35 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote:
> Free - All Right Now (1970) Stereo. The previous multi-track mix UK charted @ #2, 1970. Bob Clearmountain remixed the multi-tracks and it UK recharted @ #8, 1991. It's obvious Bob enhanced and/or replaced the drumming. Edited...
>
> This isn't something people like Mark will hear on [boring] Classic Rock radio stations, now including girlie DJs!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allrightnow-91rm.mp3
>
> Just stressing a point about REMIXING.

Here's Bob Dylan's 1975 US Top 40 hit, Tangled Up In Blue, remixed.
The runtime is a bit shorter than the hit, may be a discarded Take with an unusual acoustic guitar ending!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/tangled.mp3

Remixing suggestions always welcome!

Jack






>
> Thank You.
>
> Jack

[Gary Eickmeier]

"JackA" > wrote in message
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> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/tangled.mp3
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> Remixing suggestions always welcome!
>
> Jack

Mr. Jack -

What the devil do you mean by "remixing"? Where would you get the multitrack
masters to remix something?

Gary Eickmeier

[JackA]

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:14:32 PM UTC-4, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> "JackA" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/tangled.mp3
> >
> > Remixing suggestions always welcome!
> >
> > Jack
>
> Mr. Jack -
>
> What the devil do you mean by "remixing"? Where would you get the multitrack
> masters to remix something?
>
> Gary Eickmeier

Gary, sorry to sound like a broken record, I'll attempt to explain...

Someone (about 2008) had a neat idea for interactive Rock video entertainment where YOU'D be the vocalist, drummer or guitarist, and would take his or her place. You'd even go on tour. However, to be able to accomplish this, multi-tracks would be needed, so you could fill-in the missing part(s) - experience the thrill of stardom. While initially supplied on disc, some clever SOB found a way to extract these multi-tracks and set them loose to public domain.

After this was discovered, and I'm sure many were angry, the publisher changed their encryption method. Some songs were not available in multi-track form or ban from licensing, so those songs were rerecorded by studio musicians. Some, sounded so close to the "original", it caused one music group to sue.

I found them fantastic (unedited, etc.) since my forte is oddities of US Top 40.

Just a FYI:
Bread - Make It With You, 1970, (4) song German CD. Just sounds nice to me, at least (digitally enhanced)...
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/makeitwithu.mp3

Jack

[Gary Eickmeier]

JackA wrote:
> Gary, sorry to sound like a broken record, I'll attempt to explain...
>
> Someone (about 2008) had a neat idea for interactive Rock video
> entertainment where YOU'D be the vocalist, drummer or guitarist, and
> would take his or her place. You'd even go on tour. However, to be
> able to accomplish this, multi-tracks would be needed, so you could
> fill-in the missing part(s) - experience the thrill of stardom. While
> initially supplied on disc, some clever SOB found a way to extract
> these multi-tracks and set them loose to public domain.
>
> After this was discovered, and I'm sure many were angry, the
> publisher changed their encryption method. Some songs were not
> available in multi-track form or ban from licensing, so those songs
> were rerecorded by studio musicians. Some, sounded so close to the
> "original", it caused one music group to sue.
>
> I found them fantastic (unedited, etc.) since my forte is oddities of
> US Top 40.
>
> Just a FYI:
> Bread - Make It With You, 1970, (4) song German CD. Just sounds nice
> to me, at least (digitally enhanced)...
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/makeitwithu.mp3
>
> Jack

Do you have an example (URL or link) to some of this multitrack material? I
can't imagine in what form it would come to you. Just several tracks and
then you line them up and mix them? The multitrack screen for a particular
editing program? Interesting idea for Karaoke! You can try and take the
vocal out of a song, but it doesn't come out completely. But what you are
talking about would do the trick!

Gary

[JackA]

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 1:27:49 PM UTC-4, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> JackA wrote:
> > Gary, sorry to sound like a broken record, I'll attempt to explain...
> >
> > Someone (about 2008) had a neat idea for interactive Rock video
> > entertainment where YOU'D be the vocalist, drummer or guitarist, and
> > would take his or her place. You'd even go on tour. However, to be
> > able to accomplish this, multi-tracks would be needed, so you could
> > fill-in the missing part(s) - experience the thrill of stardom. While
> > initially supplied on disc, some clever SOB found a way to extract
> > these multi-tracks and set them loose to public domain.
> >
> > After this was discovered, and I'm sure many were angry, the
> > publisher changed their encryption method. Some songs were not
> > available in multi-track form or ban from licensing, so those songs
> > were rerecorded by studio musicians. Some, sounded so close to the
> > "original", it caused one music group to sue.
> >
> > I found them fantastic (unedited, etc.) since my forte is oddities of
> > US Top 40.
> >
> > Just a FYI:
> > Bread - Make It With You, 1970, (4) song German CD. Just sounds nice
> > to me, at least (digitally enhanced)...
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/makeitwithu.mp3
> >
> > Jack
>
> Do you have an example (URL or link) to some of this multitrack material? I
> can't imagine in what form it would come to you. Just several tracks and
> then you line them up and mix them? The multitrack screen for a particular
> editing program? Interesting idea for Karaoke! You can try and take the
> vocal out of a song, but it doesn't come out completely. But what you are
> talking about would do the trick!
>
> Gary

Gary,

See my recent post "To Mark", that has a multi-track I'm sure you know.

Jack

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 05-06-2015 02:18, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

> What the devil do you mean by "remixing"? Where would you get the multitrack
> masters to remix something?

To actually get multitracks and practice mixing go to
http://raw-tracks.com. The only permitted distribution is however to
upload them there for evaluation.

> Gary Eickmeier

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[JackA]

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 6:12:22 AM UTC-4, Peter Larsen wrote:
> On 05-06-2015 02:18, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>
> > What the devil do you mean by "remixing"? Where would you get the multitrack
> > masters to remix something?
>
> To actually get multitracks and practice mixing go to
> http://raw-tracks.com. The only permitted distribution is however to
> upload them there for evaluation.

The four Led Zeppelin multi-tracks I found were originally sold on (4) CDs!

Right from here...
http://literecords.com/x2/forumdisplay.php/56-Multitracks/page2

If you post your mix there, they have the option to "use" it; sounds seedy.

Jack

>
> > Gary Eickmeier
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen