Gary's Hum - the wave file

[Gray_Wolf]

Wave file signal leval was very low. normalized to -3 dB.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3p17ct4gx7p4gq4/Gary%20Hum%2C%20cropped%2C%20norm%20-3.rar?dl=0

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Gray_Wolf" > skrev i en meddelelse
...

> Wave file signal leval was very low. normalized to -3 dB.

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3p17ct4gx7p4gq4/Gary%20Hum%2C%20cropped%2C%20norm%20-3.rar?dl=0

Thank you!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Gary Eickmeier]

Thanks Gray - I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped my
membership and found it all different from before. But when you send a file
to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for Dropbox, then WinRar -
what the hell is that? I have encountered it before, but I hate these sites
that make us sign up, join up, or pay up before we can see a simple file.

Did you find that you couldn't work with my Soundcloud file - but then you
MUST have been able to, because here it is. Oh well, it's after midnight.

Gary

[Nil[_2_]]

On 27 Mar 2015, "Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> Thanks Gray - I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped
> my membership and found it all different from before. But when you
> send a file to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for
> Dropbox,

No, you don't. You set the Dropbox permissions however you see fit. You
can make the file available to Dropbox members only or anybody.

> then WinRar - what the hell is that?

It's a compression algorithm, like ZIP. WinRAR is a commercial program
that creates them. Many free and commercial programs can open them,
including 7-Zip and PeaZip, WinZip, etc.

[Gray_Wolf]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:53:20 -0400, "Gary Eickmeier"
> wrote:

>Thanks Gray - I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped my
>membership and found it all different from before. But when you send a file
>to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for Dropbox, then WinRar -
>what the hell is that? I have encountered it before, but I hate these sites
>that make us sign up, join up, or pay up before we can see a simple file.
>
>Did you find that you couldn't work with my Soundcloud file - but then you
>MUST have been able to, because here it is. Oh well, it's after midnight.
>
>Gary
>

Gary, You shouldn't have to sign up on DropBox to download the file.
Just get rid of the pop-up thingy, go on in and hit the download
button. WinRar is compressed file format similar to WinZip. I
uploaded the wave file titled "Gary Hum, cropped, norm -3.wav" to my
dropbox. Here's the link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2gsnkfkk5z94ql/Gary%20Hum%2C%20cropped%2C%20norm%20-3.wav?dl=0
or
http://tinyurl.com/ne73p2c

I recorded the sound from your site while it played. My sound card
will let me record any sound that's being played on my system. I am
curious what was going on at the time the recording was being made. In
particular the changing of the hum level.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Gray_Wolf" > skrev i en meddelelse
...


> I recorded the sound from your site while it played. My sound card
> will let me record any sound that's being played on my system. I am
> curious what was going on at the time the recording was being made. In
> particular the changing of the hum level.

Hypothesis:

Distance from some person to bass guitar varies, hum vanishes when strings
are touched by player. Cause of hum: incomplete ground connnection on bass
guitar.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

Error 404.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/27/2015 1:53 AM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped my
> membership and found it all different from before. But when you send a file
> to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for Dropbox, then WinRar -
> what the hell is that?

You can set up a Public folder in Dropbox (it's actually set up
automatically). Files that you put in that folder are automatically
uploaded to a Dropbox server and are assigned a "public link." If you
post that link, anyone can click on it and download a copy of the file.

--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/27/2015 7:21 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 3/27/2015 1:53 AM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>> I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped my
>> membership and found it all different from before. But when you send a
>> file
>> to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for Dropbox, then
>> WinRar -
>> what the hell is that?
>
> You can set up a Public folder in Dropbox (it's actually set up
> automatically). Files that you put in that folder are automatically
> uploaded to a Dropbox server and are assigned a "public link." If you
> post that link, anyone can click on it and download a copy of the file.
>

Things have changed. Dropbox used to also provide a
"short link" function [like tiny url] but it seems "shorten link"
only works with the "Public" folder and the "Public" folder is
only available for business or pro accounts.
[Maybe older accounts got to keep "Public" and such?]

Anyway, I believe one can make links from any folder public.
I'm not sure what the benefits are of a pro account.

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Gray_Wolf" > wrote in message
...

> I recorded the sound from your site while it played. My sound card
> will let me record any sound that's being played on my system. I am
> curious what was going on at the time the recording was being made. In
> particular the changing of the hum level.

I heard the hum on site, so I had everyone shut up, then turned all of the
gains down, then turned them up one at a time (and back down again) to
listen for which channel was the culprit. It was still difficult on site,
because the room noise comes up along with the hum, but 1 & 2 were the
worst, I just couldn't see a reason at the time.

Back home, when I played it back thru the FFT analyzer, I could (eventually)
see the 60 Hz bump and how to filter it out. This was made visible as well
as audible with the Audition Frequency Analysis window. And yes, all
indications point to the bass guitar and its amp.

I will be receiving the AT shock mounts and some better XLR today in the
mail. Maybe go back to the church tomorrow along with the bassist to check a
fw things out.

Gary

[Luxey]

петак, 27. март 2015. 17.30.18 UTC+1, Gary Eickmeier је напи�ао/ла:

> Maybe go back to the church tomorrow along with the bassist to check a
> fw things out.

Maybe if you'd pray togeather.

[John Williamson]

On 27/03/2015 16:35, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

> I will be receiving the AT shock mounts and some better XLR today in the
> mail. Maybe go back to the church tomorrow along with the bassist to check a
> fw things out.
>
>
There's also an 11kHz spike on the recording, though it's well down
among the noise. To be exact it's at 11030 Hz. Maybe a switch mode power
supply radiating to the cabling or inside the recorder?

Honestly, though, Gary, I'm with the people on here who say it's not
structure borne noise, but a bad ground somewhere, so the shockmounts
won't help. The better XLR cables may also help with the HF spike.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."


Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
in God.

[Luxey]

петак, 27. март 2015. 19.24.57 UTC+1, је напи�ао/ла:
> Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
>
>
> Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
> in God.

Thekma, how maany of You IS there?

It's hard to believe, but you are that stupid.
You don't even notice how even the only one supposed friend of yours, on the
group, one from out of who's ass you so rarelly pull the head out, puts you
down and perfidiously makes fun of you.

[[email protected]]

Luxey wrote: "петак, 27. март 2015. 19.24.57 UTC+1, је напи�ао/ла:
> Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
>
>
> Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
> in God.

Thekma, how maany of You IS there?

It's hard to believe, but you are that stupid.
You don't even notice how even the only one supposed friend of yours, on the
group, one from out of who's ass you so rarelly pull the head out, puts you
down and perfidiously makes fun of you. "

#1. It's 'thekmanrocks'

#2. IF you are referring to JackA, I don't see how he's making fun of me. And he's
not my friend on here, he's an acquaintance.

[JackA]

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 3:14:53 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Luxey wrote: "петак, 27. март 2015. 19.24.57 UTC+1, је напи�ао/ла:
> > Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
> >
> >
> > Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
> > in God.
>
> Thekma, how maany of You IS there?
>
> It's hard to believe, but you are that stupid.
> You don't even notice how even the only one supposed friend of yours, on the
> group, one from out of who's ass you so rarelly pull the head out, puts you
> down and perfidiously makes fun of you. "
>
> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'
>
> #2. IF you are referring to JackA, I don't see how he's making fun of me.. And he's
> not my friend on here, he's an acquaintance.

You should never visit usenet to find friends.

No, not making fun, just seen many abbreviations here in usenet.

Jack

[Luxey]

> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'

When I see post from "thekmanrosks" I'll acknowlege. On Google groups
I see ", so thekma it will remain for the time being.

> #2. IF you are referring to JackA, I don't see how he's making fun of me.

Yes that's what I've said.

> And he's not my friend on here, he's an acquaintance.

Yes, I know he is not your friend, that's what I've said. You'd do yourself
a favor if you'd stop treating him as one.

So, how many of You IS out there, You who know I do not believe?
I mean, I know all of You IS out, but how many? When you say "we", what's
the number?

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
>
> Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe in God.

You really are a dumb****.

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'

Lighten up, thekma.

[None]

"Luxey" > wrote in message
...
> Thekma, how maany of You IS there?
>
> It's hard to believe, but you are that stupid.

Believe it. He's even stupider than he looks.

[Gary Eickmeier]

"John Williamson" > wrote in message
...

> There's also an 11kHz spike on the recording, though it's well down among
> the noise. To be exact it's at 11030 Hz. Maybe a switch mode power supply
> radiating to the cabling or inside the recorder?
>
> Honestly, though, Gary, I'm with the people on here who say it's not
> structure borne noise, but a bad ground somewhere, so the shockmounts
> won't help. The better XLR cables may also help with the HF spike.

Amusing sidebar - the cables and mounts arrived today. Cable is Kopul
Premier Quad Pro XLR Cable. Mount is the AT8415. In the argument about which
mount to get, one contributor said that it is obviously the AT8410a from the
cross reference chart. Tech support told me to get the 8415 from his
experience. So there is a card that comes with the mount listing all of the
case styles and microphone models that my mount is for. My microphone is not
even listed, anywhere on it! So both mounts are listed as for the S1 case
style, and the mike does fit in there, but it is weird.

And I think you are right - even this mount the elastics are so stiff on a
2.9 oz mike that I don't see it attenuating anything. But we will find out
tomorrow.

Gary

PS as for power supplies, my whole operation is battery powered. The Zoom H6
has its own Phantom power and the extra two inputs from the accessory input
are powered by a 9V battery powered 48V power supply which is one of the
neatest little accessories I have. Plug the mikes into it, then plug it into
the H6.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
...

> And I think you are right - even this mount the elastics are so stiff on a
> 2.9 oz mike that I don't see it attenuating anything. But we will find out
> tomorrow.

In my opinion a too soft mount is annoying because you then really do not
know what direction the microphone is aiming at in half an hour. Also mounts
are no less about midrange noise.

> Gary

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

Mar 27 Luxey wrote:
> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'

"When I see post from "thekmanrosks" I'll acknowlege. On Google groups
I see ", so thekma it will remain for the time being. "

You're an idiot. Google Groups truncates
it because it's longer than whatever country
you come from.

> #2. IF you are referring to JackA, I don't see how he's making fun of me.

Yes that's what I've said.

> And he's not my friend on here, he's an acquaintance.

Yes, I know he is not your friend, that's what I've said. You'd do yourself
a favor if you'd stop treating him as one.

"So, how many of You IS out there, You who know I do not believe?
I mean, I know all of You IS out, but how many? When you say "we", what's
the number? "

Hang out with Bush Jr. much, Lux?

Cause that's how much sense the above
question made.

With me, what you see is what you get.
No phony two-dollar suitcase-faces hiding
behind 3-4 different aliases, like 'N '!

[[email protected]]

"Believe it. He's even stupider than he looks. "

If you know what I look like, so help me God.

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> Mar 27 Luxey wrote:
>> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'
>
> "When I see post from "thekmanrosks" I'll acknowlege. On Google
> groups
> I see ", so thekma it will remain for the time
> being. "
>
> You're an idiot. Google Groups truncates
> it because it's longer than whatever country
> you come from.

Poor baby thekma. You don't even know what county he comes from,
you've already proven that.

> Hang out with Bush Jr. much, Lux?
>
> Cause that's how much sense the above
> question made.

You're ranting incoherent again, Krissi. Did you miss the short bus
this morning? What the **** does Bush have to do with anything, other
than your dumb****ery?

> With me, what you see is what you get.
> No phony two-dollar suitcase-faces hiding
> behind 3-4 different aliases, like 'N '!

Back on that hobby horse again? You're pretending I'm using multiple
aliases? We went through this before, Krissi Dumb****i. (I understand
that you're too stupid for it have sunk in.) Is there anything to
support this bizarre accusation, other than "Krissi Dumb**** is having
a bad day"? Maybe you need another seven years at junior college
figure it out. Dumb****.

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> "Believe it. He's even stupider than he looks. "
>
> If you know what I look like, so help me God.

More incoherence from the Dumb****. You've posted your slack-jawed
blank stare online. Were you hoping nobody would see it? Then why did
you post it? Riddle me that, thekma!

It's right above where you brag about five years in junior college,
and how you'll take a big pay cut because you're not really qualified
to answer the phone. Hey, I don't even have to make this stuff up,
thekma the dumb****, you do all the legwork. I guess plugging in the
projector didn't work out for you because you can't figure it out.

[Luxey]

On Saturday, 28 March 2015 05:09:27 UTC+1, wrote:

> You're an idiot. Google Groups truncates
> it because it's longer than whatever country
> you come from.

Maybe I am an idiot, but I know how to set display name.

> Hang out with Bush Jr. much, Lux?

As far as I know, he was your president

> Cause that's how much sense the above
> question made.

That is only because you're too stupid not to understand it.

> With me, what you see is what you get.

Since you don't get anything, hope this won't offend you, are you blind?
More often than not blind persons are smart enough to realise they shoud rely
on other senses. Common sense in particular. I gather that never crossed your
mind? You have mind, right?

> No phony two-dollar suitcase-faces hiding
> behind 3-4 different aliases, like 'N '!

If I'd sent you an e-mail to the...@gm..., would it reach you? Don't preach
against own vices.

[Luxey]

On Saturday, 28 March 2015 05:09:27 UTC+1, wrote:

> You're an idiot. Google Groups truncates
> it because it's longer than whatever country
> you come from.

Maybe I am an idiot, but I know how to set display name.

> Hang out with Bush Jr. much, Lux?

As far as I know, he was your president

> Cause that's how much sense the above
> question made.

That is only because you're too stupid to understand it.

> With me, what you see is what you get.

Since you don't get anything, hope this won't offend you, are you blind?
More often than not blind persons are smart enough to realise they shoud rely
on other senses. Common sense in particular. I gather that never crossed your
mind? You have mind, right?

> No phony two-dollar suitcase-faces hiding
> behind 3-4 different aliases, like 'N '!

If I'd sent you an e-mail to the...@gm..., would it reach you? Don't preach
against own vices.

!Edited messsaage!

[mark lewis[_2_]]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015, wrote to All:

tg> Mar 27 Luxey wrote:
> #1. It's 'thekmanrocks'

tg> "When I see post from "thekmanrosks" I'll acknowlege. On Google
tg> groups I see ", so thekma it will remain for
tg> the time being. "

tg> You're an idiot. Google Groups truncates
tg> it because it's longer than whatever country
tg> you come from.

no... google groups truncates the email addresses to help prevent them from being harvested by spiders and other creepy crawlies sneaking about the interwebs... they're not the only site that does this...

)\/(ark

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/27/2015 10:18 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> PS as for power supplies, my whole operation is battery powered. The Zoom H6
> has its own Phantom power and the extra two inputs from the accessory input
> are powered by a 9V battery powered 48V power supply which is one of the
> neatest little accessories I have. Plug the mikes into it, then plug it into
> the H6.

In order to make 48Vdc from 9Vdc (or whatever voltage the batteries in
the Zoom recorder provide), you need a DC-to-DC. Both your external
phantom supply and the Zoom have one. Either or both could be what's
causing the high frequency blip on the spectrum.

> I think you are right - even this mount the elastics are so stiff on a
> 2.9 oz mike that I don't see it attenuating anything. But we will find out
> tomorrow.

I have several A-T 8415 shock mounts and use them on all of my mics that
fit it. I don't know how effective it actually is, but it just makes me
feel good to know I'm using it. Honestly, I think that most of the
mechanical sound that gets into my mics is through the air. If someone
is tapping his foot, on a recording, you'll hear more of the sound of
the foot hitting the floor than you'll hear vibration of the floor itself.

--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Gary Eickmeier]

> wrote in message
...
> Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
>
>
> Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
> in God.

Luxey wrote in? What a pleasure that blocking filter is!

Gary

[None]

"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Luxey wrote: "Maybe if you'd pray togeather."
>>
>>
>> Yeah yeah, komrade, we know YOU don't believe
>> in God.
>
> Luxey wrote in? What a pleasure that blocking filter is!
>
> Gary


Poor li'l gooberhead misses the attention. Maybe someone should
explain plonking to him. But he'd forget by next week.

[Gary Eickmeier]

Test - the procedure:

To be tested:

1. Bass guitar - start recording, then turn guitar on and off

2. Shock mount - put small mike (2021) in both stand clamp and shock mount.
Tap the mike stand with fleshy part of hand, not nails. Maybe foot stomp on
stage as well.

3. Same with 2050 in same stand with its mount.

4. Cable - do #1 with both old and new cables.

Going now.

Gary

[Luxey]

Aside with the fact I doubt you actually found my words in that quote,
cool, now you can read thekma's posts all day long.

Funny how you gravitate one to another.

[None]

"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
> Test - the procedure:
>
> To be tested:
>
> 1. Bass guitar - start recording, then turn guitar on and off
>
> 2. Shock mount - put small mike (2021) in both stand clamp and shock
> mount. Tap the mike stand with fleshy part of hand, not nails. Maybe
> foot stomp on stage as well.
>
> 3. Same with 2050 in same stand with its mount.
>
> 4. Cable - do #1 with both old and new cables.
>
> Going now.

The people most in the know have told you that it's not the shock
mount. You were the one who suggested that (and apparently couldn't
remember that fact a few days later). But since you refuse to learn
from others, you'll ride that shockmount thing as hard as you can,
rather than take the good advice that you've been given. The Goober
Clown Show continues to entertain. You are more consistently hilarious
even than the dumb**** thekma.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:23:47 -0400, "Gary Eickmeier"
> wrote:

>Test - the procedure:
>
>To be tested:
>
>1. Bass guitar - start recording, then turn guitar on and off
>
>2. Shock mount - put small mike (2021) in both stand clamp and shock mount.
>Tap the mike stand with fleshy part of hand, not nails. Maybe foot stomp on
>stage as well.
>
>3. Same with 2050 in same stand with its mount.
>
>4. Cable - do #1 with both old and new cables.
>
>Going now.
>
>Gary
>

Tap the mike? Surely you are going to say Testing One Two at some
point. Just as useful for what you want to know.

d

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:23:47 -0400, "Gary Eickmeier"

> Tap the mike? Surely you are going to say Testing One Two at some
> point. Just as useful for what you want to know.
>
> d

No, not tap the mike.

Just got back, will download it and put it together later. Very
educaitonal - if you have not done this yourself, stay tuned. Couldn't use
the same bass guitar that was used in the concert, but got some interesting
results anyway. It seems that there was a hashy noise when the amp system
was on but the guitar was unplugged. Plug it back in, no noise. Then I
tested for some shock mount things and there was a definite difference in
the character of the noise with and without shock mount.

Lots of tests, all informative. I will edit and upload to SoundCloud when I
get back from the movie.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

For better or for worse -

The tests are somewhat inconclusive in that I didn't get the exact same
noise to appear this time. Did test the shock mount and got tome good info.
There was a hashy, weak ground kind of noise when the guitar amp was turned
on but the instrument itself was not plugged into it. This cleared up when
the guitar was properly connected. There were differences in the conditions.
This was not the same bass that she played during the problem. I think
during the actual situation she had the good guitar, and it was plugged into
her own amp and speaker, which were near the two problem microphones. This
time she was going to the movies, so she wasn't available and she lent us
her old guitar.

Biggest noise was the one stage monitor with integral amp and fan.

I am trying to save time by testing two conditions at the same time,
differentiated by the stereo separation between the tracks on playback. In
other words, you are hearing not one but two of the mikes under test at the
same time. What I should have done is play you one track at a time but no
great harm done.

Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I can
better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue

https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav

Gary

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:05:04 -0400, "Gary Eickmeier"
> wrote:

>For better or for worse -
>
>The tests are somewhat inconclusive in that I didn't get the exact same
>noise to appear this time. Did test the shock mount and got tome good info.
>There was a hashy, weak ground kind of noise when the guitar amp was turned
>on but the instrument itself was not plugged into it. This cleared up when
>the guitar was properly connected. There were differences in the conditions.
>This was not the same bass that she played during the problem. I think
>during the actual situation she had the good guitar, and it was plugged into
>her own amp and speaker, which were near the two problem microphones. This
>time she was going to the movies, so she wasn't available and she lent us
>her old guitar.
>
>Biggest noise was the one stage monitor with integral amp and fan.
>
>I am trying to save time by testing two conditions at the same time,
>differentiated by the stereo separation between the tracks on playback. In
>other words, you are hearing not one but two of the mikes under test at the
>same time. What I should have done is play you one track at a time but no
>great harm done.
>
>Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I can
>better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue
>
>https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav
>
>Gary
>

There is no point posting things on soundcloud. All we can do is play
it back on a PC. Put it somewhere we can download it.

d

[Tom McCreadie]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I can
>better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue
>
>https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav

Gary, please:
- open a free Dropbox account
- place a wav or flac of the offending track in the Dropbox PUBLIC folder
- copy that puiblic link in a post to r.a.p. Done!

People are inclined to help you, but with your persistent, convoluted choices
you have them jumping through hoops, trying to access your stuff in an
analysable format.
--
Tom McCreadie

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Tom McCreadie" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>>Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I
>>can
>>better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue
>>
>>https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav
>
> Gary, please:
> - open a free Dropbox account
> - place a wav or flac of the offending track in the Dropbox PUBLIC folder
> - copy that puiblic link in a post to r.a.p. Done!
>
> People are inclined to help you, but with your persistent, convoluted
> choices
> you have them jumping through hoops, trying to access your stuff in an
> analysable format.
> --
> Tom McCreadie

It was 5 AM, I will get right on it.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom McCreadie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>>>Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I
>>>can
>>>better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue
>>>
>>>https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav
>>
>> Gary, please:
>> - open a free Dropbox account
>> - place a wav or flac of the offending track in the Dropbox PUBLIC folder
>> - copy that puiblic link in a post to r.a.p. Done!
>>
>> People are inclined to help you, but with your persistent, convoluted
>> choices
>> you have them jumping through hoops, trying to access your stuff in an
>> analysable format.
>> --
>> Tom McCreadie
>
> It was 5 AM, I will get right on it.
>
> Gary

OK try this:

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A

Gary

[John Williamson]

On 29/03/2015 17:10, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>> Gary
>
> OK try this:
>
> https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A
>
>Error 403 (It seems you don't belong here! You should probably sign in.
Check out our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home.)

You may need to set the properties to public.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[UnsteadyKen[_5_]]

In article: >

Gary Eickmeier says...

> https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A
>
I don't know what you are doing wrong, looking at the link it is
probable you have not shared the file and are copying the link while
you are signed into your Dropbox account, in which case only you, the
dropbox account holder can access the link, otherwise anybody could
edit/delete your files.

Clicking on your link I get the following message


"Error (403)
It seems you don't belong here! You should probably sign in. Check out
our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home."



Check the links before you post them.
Have 2 different browsers running, in one sign in to Dropbox share the
file and get the link then paste that into the other browser in which
you are NOT signed in to Dropbox and that way you can check what a
member of the public will see.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/cr8xdmm2s0exshp/AABIqq_nurn6TGyZcwO5NWPta

--
Ken O'Meara

List of UK hi-fi & audio dealers:
http://unsteadyken.esy.es/

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:10:18 -0400, "Gary Eickmeier"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Tom McCreadie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>>>>Thank you for your patience and all of your help and suggestions. Now I
>>>>can
>>>>better understand what types of noises to look for at a strange venue
>>>>
>>>>https://soundcloud.com/eickmeier-1/normal-gainwav
>>>
>>> Gary, please:
>>> - open a free Dropbox account
>>> - place a wav or flac of the offending track in the Dropbox PUBLIC folder
>>> - copy that puiblic link in a post to r.a.p. Done!
>>>
>>> People are inclined to help you, but with your persistent, convoluted
>>> choices
>>> you have them jumping through hoops, trying to access your stuff in an
>>> analysable format.
>>> --
>>> Tom McCreadie
>>
>> It was 5 AM, I will get right on it.
>>
>> Gary
>
>OK try this:
>
>https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A
>
>Gary
>

Put the file in the Public folder. Right click it and select "Copy
public link". Paste that into your post.

d

[None]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Put the file in the Public folder. Right click it and select "Copy
> public link". Paste that into your post.

As always, Eickmeier needs someone to RTFM to him, so he can properly
ignore it.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:41:51 -0400, "None" > wrote:

>"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
>> Put the file in the Public folder. Right click it and select "Copy
>> public link". Paste that into your post.
>
>As always, Eickmeier needs someone to RTFM to him, so he can properly
>ignore it.

It's either trying to draw teeth or herd cats. Not sure which.

d

[[email protected]]

Mark Lewis wrote: "no... google groups truncates the email addresses to help prevent them from being
harvested by spiders and other creepy crawlies sneaking about the interwebs"

....like N !

;)

Don't worry, the Dept of Homeland Security already has transcripts
of N's prattle from the last three years, including extended headers.

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/29/2015 2:41 PM, None wrote:
> "Don Pearce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Put the file in the Public folder. Right click it and select "Copy
>> public link". Paste that into your post.
>
> As always, Eickmeier needs someone to RTFM to him, so he can properly
> ignore it.
Seems none have read (or is that None hasn't read) my reply to Mike Rivers.
Public folders are gone. See:
~~
< https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/4224 >

How do I disable or enable the Public folder for members of my Dropbox
for Business team?

The Public folder used to be the only folder in Dropbox accounts where
people could share content with anyone. Files placed in the Public
folder generated a link that could then be shared with anyone who had
access to the link.

New Dropbox accounts created after October 4, 2012 no longer include an
automatically enabled Public folder because users can now share links to
any piece of content from any place in their Dropbox by using shared links.
~~

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Tom McCreadie]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>OK try this:
>
>https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A

That link is also giving me the Error(403).

I believe that, afrer a recent software update, Dropbox users are now (once-off)
required to verify their email address before the sharing of their files and
folders becomes properly enabled.

Indeed, if you opened your Dropbox.com, you may already have spotted a small
message neasr the top of your screen, requesting you to click a button to have a
confirmation-seeking email sent immediately to your email address.
That email contains the text:
=========
Hi Gary,
We just need to verify your email address before you can share files and folders

<verify your email> <= clickable link

Thanks
The Dropbox Team
===========

Maybe that might help?
--
Tom McCreadie

[None]

< "thekma" the dumb**** @ village-idiot . com> wrote in message
...
> Mark Lewis wrote: "no... google groups truncates the email addresses
> to help prevent them from being
> harvested by spiders and other creepy crawlies sneaking about the
> interwebs"
>
> ...like N !

For someone who doesn't like to read my posts, and urges others not to
respond, you seem to enjoy reading and responding. And pretending that
I'm posting under multiple names, because you're too much of a
dumb**** to notice why that's not true.

> Don't worry, the Dept of Homeland Security already has transcripts
> of N's prattle from the last three years, including extended
> headers.

I'm sure that puts you on their list of annoying kooks to ignore. You
said you'd report me to the NSA and the FBI, too. Are you one their
annoying kooks lists as well? How about Interpol? How about the driver
of the Dumb **** Short Bus? The Mounties? The Keystone Kops? Why not
harass all of them with your puddles of drool? I'm sure they're all so
grateful to you for explaining the "extended headers" to them. Did you
explain to them that you're too stupid to know how to properly quote
posts on Usenet?

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/29/2015 3:17 PM, Ron C wrote:

> Seems none have read (or is that None hasn't read) my reply to Mike Rivers.
> Public folders are gone.

Gee, I haven't RTFM since I installed Dropbox years ago. I still have a
Public folder and that's where I put things that I want to share with
the public. I like the idea. It allows me to keep track of what I've
shared. When it outlives its usefulness for sharing, I can delete the
file from that folder and still keep the original copy.

I once tried to set up a shared folder (I think that's what they called
it) - a folder that's on someone else's computer that appears on my
computer. I couldn't figure out how to make it work. This stuff isn't
trivial if you want to keep track of who has access to your files.




--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 15:56:23 -0400, Mike Rivers >
wrote:

>On 3/29/2015 3:17 PM, Ron C wrote:
>
>> Seems none have read (or is that None hasn't read) my reply to Mike Rivers.
>> Public folders are gone.
>
>Gee, I haven't RTFM since I installed Dropbox years ago. I still have a
>Public folder and that's where I put things that I want to share with
>the public. I like the idea. It allows me to keep track of what I've
>shared. When it outlives its usefulness for sharing, I can delete the
>file from that folder and still keep the original copy.
>
>I once tried to set up a shared folder (I think that's what they called
>it) - a folder that's on someone else's computer that appears on my
>computer. I couldn't figure out how to make it work. This stuff isn't
>trivial if you want to keep track of who has access to your files.

The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm disappointed
they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made them lose control of
who gets what.

d

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/29/2015 3:56 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 3/29/2015 3:17 PM, Ron C wrote:
>
>> Seems none have read (or is that None hasn't read) my reply to Mike
>> Rivers.
>> Public folders are gone.
>
> Gee, I haven't RTFM since I installed Dropbox years ago. I still have a
> Public folder and that's where I put things that I want to share with
> the public. I like the idea. It allows me to keep track of what I've
> shared. When it outlives its usefulness for sharing, I can delete the
> file from that folder and still keep the original copy.
>
> I once tried to set up a shared folder (I think that's what they called
> it) - a folder that's on someone else's computer that appears on my
> computer. I couldn't figure out how to make it work. This stuff isn't
> trivial if you want to keep track of who has access to your files.
>
>

One would hope that these cloud providers would somehow
communicate these changes to their users, but it seems they
don't. I only looked this stuff up because several weeks ago I
encountered a similar series of suggestions to put my photos
in my public folder from folks in a photography newsgroup.

I wish they'd give the tiny link option to new users. Their default
links are, um, kind of loooong.

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/29/2015 4:32 PM, Ron C wrote:
> One would hope that these cloud providers would somehow
> communicate these changes to their users, but it seems they
> don't. I only looked this stuff up because several weeks ago I
> encountered a similar series of suggestions to put my photos
> in my public folder from folks in a photography newsgroup.
>
> I wish they'd give the tiny link option to new users. Their default
> links are, um, kind of loooong.

Yeah, nothing's as good as it used to be. You can probably still make a
public folder, but when I set up the program, there was a Readme that
explained how to use the Public folder. That's as far as I read since it
did exactly what I wanted to do.


--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Tom McCreadie]

Don Pearce wrote:
>The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm disappointed
>they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made them lose control of
>who gets what.

My Dropbox (now v3.2.9), first installed ca. 12 years ago, still has a Public
Folder, which I use a lot for work not needing collaborative editing, I was
actually unaware that it had been removed.

But I get no problems, working as follows:
1. For files in the Public folder:
- right click file > Copy Public link > simple Dialog Box (with an option to
"Shorten Link") > cut 'n paste the highlighted url link into my Usenet Reader.
or
2. For files in any other folder (all folders had "Share" permission):
- right click file > Share > more elaborate Dialog Box > cut 'n paste the
highlighted url link as before.
( "Visibility/Expiration" was set to Anyone/No.)
Also I prefer cut 'n paste for also emailing links, rather than sending straight
from the dialog box)
--
Tom McCreadie

[Luxey]

недеља, 29. март 2015. 10..58.58 UTC+2, Gary Eickmeier је напи�ао/ла:

> ... she was going to the movies, so she wasn't available and she lent us
> her old guitar.

What did she watch? If it was some kind of Zombie movie, apply notch at 320 Hz.

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Tom McCreadie" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>>OK try this:
>>
>>https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Normal%20Gain.WAV?_subject_uid=16780427&w=AADzox8Iw7Xad9klI1IGXE91RfFYxt9oTBNkXMobsYko0A
>
> That link is also giving me the Error(403).
>
> I believe that, afrer a recent software update, Dropbox users are now
> (once-off)
> required to verify their email address before the sharing of their files
> and
> folders becomes properly enabled.
>
> Indeed, if you opened your Dropbox.com, you may already have spotted a
> small
> message neasr the top of your screen, requesting you to click a button to
> have a
> confirmation-seeking email sent immediately to your email address.
> That email contains the text:
> =========
> Hi Gary,
> We just need to verify your email address before you can share files and
> folders
>
> <verify your email> <= clickable link
>
> Thanks
> The Dropbox Team
> ===========
>
> Maybe that might help?
> --
> Tom McCreadie

For everyone's information, I have a Public Folder, I put the file in the
Public folder, went there to my file and copied the URL and then tested it
on another computer in the house. The file came up beautifully and boomin
clear. I sincerely tried to follow the suggestions you all gave and failed
somewhere. The instructions from the Let's get started are Step 1: Drop a
file into the Public folder.
Step 2: Right-click/control-click this file, then choose Dropbox > Copy
Public Link.
This copies the Internet link to your file so that you can paste it
somewhere else.

I thought I did all that. I will try again. It is not a personality flaw, I
am not trying to annoy everyone, I am not being uncooperative, I simply love
Error 403. Please hold all Emails until I get the hang of this.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8s1sw6ofjdbqzb/test%20hum.WAV?dl=0

I went back in to the website, clicked on some instruction link, it told of
how to use Dropbox on XP. Had to download the Dropbox Desktop Applicaion and
install it. So I did that, placed the Dropbox folder where I wanted it on my
computer, and then searched for the WAV file I wanted to share. Dropped it
into my Dropbox icon on my desktop and opened that shortcut up to see what
there was to see. It says this file already loaded into the Public folder.
Would you like to replace it. I said no and then opened the Public
folder,right clicked on it, and got a pop up window in which there was the
magic phrase Share a link with others or similar, then it told me that this
link has now been put in my clipboard. OK, so I went straight to here to
salvage what was left of my rep, answered my own Email and posted this.

Simple.

Gary

[mark lewis[_2_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Don Pearce wrote to All:

DP> The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm
DP> disappointed they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made
DP> them lose control of who gets what.

interesting... i installed DB less than a year ago and part of the tutorial was how to create a directory and set it to be shared publically... i named mine public (of all things) and it works...

)\/(ark

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[[email protected]]

8:12 PMGary Eickmeier
"https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8s1sw6ofjdbqzb/test%20hum.WAV?dl=0 "


Takes me to the dropbox page. Pressing "Download"
gets me a play arrow inside a crossed out(a la No
Smoking) circle. Probably because I'm trying to
view it on an "unauthorized" read: Mobile device -
where 80% of folks listen to/watch stuff on on
2015(!)

[PStamler]

On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-6, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

>It seems that there was a hashy noise when the amp system
> was on but the guitar was unplugged. Plug it back in, no noise.
Gary, *all* musical instrument amplifiers do this when a cord is plugged into them and nothing is connected to the cord's other end.

And in any case, I doubt that your bass player did the gig without plugging the bass into the amplifier.

I'm ignoring all the static about Dropbox and trying to go back to the topic.

What was the result of your tapping-the-boom tests?

Peace,
Paul

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Mike Rivers" > skrev i en meddelelse
...

> On 3/29/2015 4:32 PM, Ron C wrote:

>> One would hope that these cloud providers would somehow
>> communicate these changes to their users, but it seems they
>> don't. I only looked this stuff up because several weeks ago I
>> encountered a similar series of suggestions to put my photos
>> in my public folder from folks in a photography newsgroup.

>> I wish they'd give the tiny link option to new users. Their default
>> links are, um, kind of loooong.

> Yeah, nothing's as good as it used to be. You can probably still make a
> public folder, but when I set up the program, there was a Readme that
> explained how to use the Public folder. That's as far as I read since it
> did exactly what I wanted to do.

You can create a download link to a file whereever it is in dropbox, but the
simplest is to use the folder public.

What you don't get in free dropbox is user right graduation.

> For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Gary Eickmeier]

"PStamler" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-6, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>
>>It seems that there was a hashy noise when the amp system
>> was on but the guitar was unplugged. Plug it back in, no noise.
> Gary, *all* musical instrument amplifiers do this when a cord is plugged
> into them and nothing is connected to the cord's other end.
>
> And in any case, I doubt that your bass player did the gig without
> plugging the bass into the amplifier.
>
> I'm ignoring all the static about Dropbox and trying to go back to the
> topic.
>
> What was the result of your tapping-the-boom tests?

The shock mounts helped in all cases.

I think I need some help on Dropbox, but if this doesn't work I will start a
new thread on just that subject. Try this:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16780427/Normal%20Gain.WAV

Gary

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
...

> I think I need some help on Dropbox, but if this doesn't work I will start
> a new thread on just that subject. Try this:

> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16780427/Normal%20Gain.WAV

Works fine, but do not put spaces in filenames outside windows, use _
instead.

> Gary

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Gray_Wolf]

On 30 Mar 2015 01:20:12 GMT,
(mark lewis) wrote:

>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Don Pearce wrote to All:
>
> DP> The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm
> DP> disappointed they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made
> DP> them lose control of who gets what.
>
>interesting... i installed DB less than a year ago and part of the tutorial was how to create a directory and set it to be shared publically... i named mine public (of all things) and it works...
>
>)\/(ark

I installed DB a few days ago. Works fine. Drop file in folder

[Gray_Wolf]

On 30 Mar 2015 01:20:12 GMT,
(mark lewis) wrote:

>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Don Pearce wrote to All:
>
> DP> The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm
> DP> disappointed they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made
> DP> them lose control of who gets what.
>
>interesting... i installed DB less than a year ago and part of the tutorial was how to create a directory and set it to be shared publically... i named mine public (of all things) and it works...
>
>)\/(ark

I installed DB a few days ago. Works fine. Drop file in folder. Right
mouse click on the file and it copies a link to my clipboard.

[Randy Yates[_2_]]

Gray_Wolf > writes:

> On 30 Mar 2015 01:20:12 GMT,
> (mark lewis) wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Don Pearce wrote to All:
>>
>> DP> The Public folder is the right way to handle this. I'm
>> DP> disappointed they've dropped it for new users. Definitely made
>> DP> them lose control of who gets what.
>>
>>interesting... i installed DB less than a year ago and part of the tutorial was how to create a directory and set it to be shared publically... i named mine public (of all things) and it works...
>>
>>)\/(ark
>
> I installed DB a few days ago. Works fine. Drop file in folder. Right
> mouse click on the file and it copies a link to my clipboard.

There are these neat things called "web sites" where you can provide
publicly-available files. If the web site is run on a linux-like system
you can use scp and have your files there in the time it takes to upload
plus 10 seconds.

No mussing/fussing with 3rd-party file sharing crap.
--
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[John Williamson]

On 30/03/2015 18:59, Randy Yates wrote:
> Gray_Wolf > writes:
>> I installed DB a few days ago. Works fine. Drop file in folder. Right
>> mouse click on the file and it copies a link to my clipboard.
>
> There are these neat things called "web sites" where you can provide
> publicly-available files. If the web site is run on a linux-like system
> you can use scp and have your files there in the time it takes to upload
> plus 10 seconds.
>
Yup. That works well for me too.

> No mussing/fussing with 3rd-party file sharing crap.
>
I just say "Go to http://www.oysterbroadcast.co.uk/$pagename.html" and
you get whichever project is on there being worked on. It's not linked
to from any other pages, but has a link to my home page, and the link
isn't normally broadcast.

It takes me a minute or two to edit the page source each time I post
something, and the web hosting costs me under GBP 20 per year. If I
start getting any busier, then I can easily upgrade the package.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Gareth Magennis]

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message ...


"PStamler" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-6, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>
>>It seems that there was a hashy noise when the amp system
>> was on but the guitar was unplugged. Plug it back in, no noise.
> Gary, *all* musical instrument amplifiers do this when a cord is plugged
> into them and nothing is connected to the cord's other end.
>
> And in any case, I doubt that your bass player did the gig without
> plugging the bass into the amplifier.
>
> I'm ignoring all the static about Dropbox and trying to go back to the
> topic.
>
> What was the result of your tapping-the-boom tests?

The shock mounts helped in all cases.

I think I need some help on Dropbox, but if this doesn't work I will start a
new thread on just that subject. Try this:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16780427/Normal%20Gain.WAV

Gary





I'm a bit late to the party and haven't read all previous posts, but having
listened to the dropbox file I have an opinion.


Sounds to me like SMPS hash. And it seems to be coming from the Bass
player.
Does this amp have a SMPS?
Or, do they have anything at all in their chain powered by anything other
than batteries?
SMPS Wall Wart for example?

In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp input
socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes the input
socket to short and mute the input, thus causing all sorts of noise that you
would not expect to be there with nothing plugged in.
You could easily check this by inserting a jack to jack cable into the input
socket, and shorting tip to sleeve.



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:55:56 PM UTC-4, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "PStamler" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-6, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> >
> >>It seems that there was a hashy noise when the amp system
> >> was on but the guitar was unplugged. Plug it back in, no noise.
> > Gary, *all* musical instrument amplifiers do this when a cord is plugged
> > into them and nothing is connected to the cord's other end.
> >
> > And in any case, I doubt that your bass player did the gig without
> > plugging the bass into the amplifier.
> >
> > I'm ignoring all the static about Dropbox and trying to go back to the
> > topic.
> >
> > What was the result of your tapping-the-boom tests?
>
> The shock mounts helped in all cases.
>
> I think I need some help on Dropbox, but if this doesn't work I will start a
> new thread on just that subject. Try this:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16780427/Normal%20Gain.WAV
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm a bit late to the party and haven't read all previous posts, but having
> listened to the dropbox file I have an opinion.
>
>
> Sounds to me like SMPS hash. And it seems to be coming from the Bass
> player.
> Does this amp have a SMPS?
> Or, do they have anything at all in their chain powered by anything other
> than batteries?
> SMPS Wall Wart for example?
>
> In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp input
> socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes the input
> socket to short and mute the input, thus causing all sorts of noise that you
> would not expect to be there with nothing plugged in.
> You could easily check this by inserting a jack to jack cable into the input
> socket, and shorting tip to sleeve.
>
>
>
> Gareth.

That's what I feel, Gareth, it's the equipment, not the microphone.

But, sadly, Gary isn't keen with troubleshooting.

Jack

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/30/2015 4:55 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> I'm a bit late to the party and haven't read all previous posts, but
> having listened to the dropbox file I have an opinion.
>
> Sounds to me like SMPS hash.

Even I had to think about that one. Better tell him that it stands for
Switching Mode Power Supply. A really poor one can indeed generate high
frequency hash.

> In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp
> input socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes
> the input socket to short and mute the input

How many amplifiers do that? It sounds like a good idea but I didn't
know it was a common implementation.

Well, I listened to the file and had a quick look at the spectrum of
about a 5 second loop when something was turned up. My opinion is
"quitcherbellyaching."

There's some just plain old room noise there before I guess the bass
amplifier was turned up at around 45 or so seconds into the file. That's
AC line hum - the predominant component is 50 Hz, and there's a few
harmonics. There's also a couple of noise spikes around 11 and 19 kHz,
probably something coming from the computer that made the recording.

But, you know, the ambient noise is down around -55 dBFS and turning up
the bass amplifier adds only about 3 dB. You aren't going to get any
quieter than that in a real room that isn't very well soundproofed and
noiseproofed. Welcome to live recording.


--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Gareth Magennis]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ...

On 3/30/2015 4:55 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> I'm a bit late to the party and haven't read all previous posts, but
> having listened to the dropbox file I have an opinion.
>
> Sounds to me like SMPS hash.

Even I had to think about that one. Better tell him that it stands for
Switching Mode Power Supply. A really poor one can indeed generate high
frequency hash.

> In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp
> input socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes
> the input socket to short and mute the input

How many amplifiers do that? It sounds like a good idea but I didn't
know it was a common implementation.

Well, I listened to the file and had a quick look at the spectrum of
about a 5 second loop when something was turned up. My opinion is
"quitcherbellyaching."

There's some just plain old room noise there before I guess the bass
amplifier was turned up at around 45 or so seconds into the file. That's
AC line hum - the predominant component is 50 Hz, and there's a few
harmonics. There's also a couple of noise spikes around 11 and 19 kHz,
probably something coming from the computer that made the recording.





That's not line hum, that's predominately HF switching hash.

But yes, the computer also has a SMPS. You can eliminate that as the
culprit by running it on the battery.

I regularly record live shows on a laptop, and ALWAYS isolate the laptop
from the live signal via an earth lifted transformer box, so the two systems
are in no way physically connected.
This is because I know for a fact that SMPS's inject all kinds of **** into
the system, mostly via the ground connections, and are notoriously difficult
to fault find.


Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

It wouldn't surprise me to find it was actually the laptop's power supply
that made the Bass amp noisy.


Gareth.

[Gary Eickmeier]

"JackA" > wrote in message
...


>
> That's what I feel, Gareth, it's the equipment, not the microphone.
>
> But, sadly, Gary isn't keen with troubleshooting.
>
> Jack

What? Who the **** are you? This entire thread is about troubleshooting you
horses' ass. This was my second trip back to the church, after buying even
more equipment at the suggestion of the members, coordinating with my
friends and scheduling this whole thing for the benefit of myself and the
group members - to be insulted by Jack Ass? I think I'm feeling my limit
here.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/30/2015 4:55 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit late to the party and haven't read all previous posts, but
>> having listened to the dropbox file I have an opinion.
>>
>> Sounds to me like SMPS hash.
>
> Even I had to think about that one. Better tell him that it stands for
> Switching Mode Power Supply. A really poor one can indeed generate high
> frequency hash.
>
>> In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp
>> input socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes
>> the input socket to short and mute the input
>
> How many amplifiers do that? It sounds like a good idea but I didn't know
> it was a common implementation.
>
> Well, I listened to the file and had a quick look at the spectrum of about
> a 5 second loop when something was turned up. My opinion is
> "quitcherbellyaching."
>
> There's some just plain old room noise there before I guess the bass
> amplifier was turned up at around 45 or so seconds into the file. That's
> AC line hum - the predominant component is 50 Hz, and there's a few
> harmonics. There's also a couple of noise spikes around 11 and 19 kHz,
> probably something coming from the computer that made the recording.
>
> But, you know, the ambient noise is down around -55 dBFS and turning up
> the bass amplifier adds only about 3 dB. You aren't going to get any
> quieter than that in a real room that isn't very well soundproofed and
> noiseproofed. Welcome to live recording.

Agreed. As I said, this was not the exact same conditions of when I heard
the noise that bothered me enough to try to find out about it. I am
satisfied that there is nothing wrong with my recorder, mikes, cables etc,
and any further discussion is overanalyzing. I learned something about shock
mounts that was interesting, and glad I went to the trouble to get those,
and to look out for being too near to stage monitors etc. Thanks to everyone
for your interest.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Gareth Magennis" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> It wouldn't surprise me to find it was actually the laptop's power supply
> that made the Bass amp noisy.
>
>
> Gareth.

What laptop?

Using a battery operated Zoom H6 Gareth. And PS, your reply above seems to
have a re-quoting problem. There is a solution out there that I stumbled
upon a while back called Quotefix. I use OE Quotefix for Outlook Express,
and I think they have versions for other browsers as well.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Thanks for your input!

Gary

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
...


> "JackA" > wrote in message
> ...

>> Jack

> What? Who the **** are you?

Ah, he is the resident troll, he is the one twit-filtering was invented for.
It way enough to see his posts when quoted.

> Gary

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Luxey]

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:29:21 UTC+2, Mike Rivers wrote:
> > In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp
> > input socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes
> > the input socket to short and mute the input
>
> How many amplifiers do that? It sounds like a good idea but I didn't
> know it was a common implementation.

Guess his idea is - the air gap, one you get when the cable is unplugged,
between two input jack prongs will stop the current from flowing around.
Hope you found it funny, the explanation above.

Gary's amp sound as if the cable was unplugged from the instrument,
not from the amp. Gareth knows that's stupid thing to do, so he does not even
take it to consideration, he does not know whom he's dealing with, so he
proposes there's something wrong with the input jack, which is not overly valid
in itself, but is as good as any wild guess out there.

[Luxey]

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 08:10:51 UTC+2, Peter Larsen wrote:

> Ah, he is the resident troll ...

Yes, just like Gary is.

It is like some kind of spring time gathering. For along time I resist writing
this, but what I really miss in all this Gary to thekma to JackA crap is that
Somearewrecked chap with his egoistic ****. Sometimes I can almost feel his
presence in thekma's posts.

[Gareth Magennis]

"Luxey" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:29:21 UTC+2, Mike Rivers wrote:
> > In addition, or in parallel, it is possible that the Bass Players amp
> > input socket is damaged, so that removing the jack plug no longer causes
> > the input socket to short and mute the input
>
> How many amplifiers do that? It sounds like a good idea but I didn't
> know it was a common implementation.

Guess his idea is - the air gap, one you get when the cable is unplugged,
between two input jack prongs will stop the current from flowing around.
Hope you found it funny, the explanation above.

Gary's amp sound as if the cable was unplugged from the instrument,
not from the amp. Gareth knows that's stupid thing to do, so he does not
even
take it to consideration, he does not know whom he's dealing with, so he
proposes there's something wrong with the input jack, which is not overly
valid
in itself, but is as good as any wild guess out there.





The majority of guitar amplifiers have a switching input jack socket that
grounds the input when a jack plug is not connected.
When this ground connection fails due to damage to the jack socket, the amps
can and do make a lot of noise with nothing plugged in, particularly if it
is a guitar amp on a distortion channel.

I fix these things a lot, I know that this is in fact a common problem, and
I know how loud the symptoms can be.
This is not a wild guess.


And yes, anyone who unplugs a guitar lead from the guitar, and not the amp,
and wonders why it is making a load of noise, must be totally clueless.




Gareth.

[Luxey]

Hey, cool, it is an educated guess, OK. And yes, you are right about that
grounding prong, I was stupid enough to forget about it.

[[email protected]]

3:37 AMLuxey sat on the toilet and spouted:

".... For along time I resist writing
this, but what I really miss in all this Gary to thekma to JackA crap is that
Somearewrecked chap with his egoistic ****. Sometimes I can almost feel his
presence in thekma's posts. "

Wanna talk about me - SAY IT TO ME DIRECTLY, FUXey!

(pardon me folks, but his intolerance of alternative ideas pushed me to
this point)

[None]

<thekmathakmathekmathwakmathickma @ gmail.com> wrote in message
...
> 3:37 AMLuxey sat on the toilet and spouted:
>
> ".... For along time I resist writing
> this, but what I really miss in all this Gary to thekma to JackA
> crap is that
> Somearewrecked chap with his egoistic ****. Sometimes I can almost
> feel his
> presence in thekma's posts. "
>
> Wanna talk about me - SAY IT TO ME DIRECTLY, FUXey!

Did somebody rile that dum**** thekma?

[None]

"Gareth Magennis" > wrote in message
...
> And yes, anyone who unplugs a guitar lead from the guitar, and not
> the amp, and wonders why it is making a load of noise, must be
> totally clueless.

Eickmeier!

[Luxey]

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 11:58:22 UTC+2, wrote:

> Wanna talk about me - SAY IT TO ME DIRECTLY, FUXey!

What's your problem, you don't enjoy the company of your fellow obsessed?
Think you're better, somehow? Talk it among yourselves, leave me alone.
Further, again you are acting from some plural state of mind.
Come back ASAP, maybe it's still not all lost.

Further, this is public forum, this newsgroup, anything anybody write is for
everybody to read, including you. There's no way I could be more direct and
more 1 on 1 with you than I already am, or you'd me to start each sentence
with "thekma, ..."

Oh, yes, "FUXey", not bad, implies I ****ed lots of women and still do.
Good.

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Gareth Magennis" > wrote in message
...

> And yes, anyone who unplugs a guitar lead from the guitar, and not the
> amp, and wonders why it is making a load of noise, must be totally
> clueless.

Gareth, please leave that kind of remark to the kids, None, Luxey etc. These
tests were not about how to use a bass guitar, and I did not propose that
the way to go is to unplug it from its connector. If you don't understand
what this was all about, just go back and re-read this thread and
"Microphone Rumble" from the 19th. Briefly, I encountered a throbbing hum
type noise in a recording session and I wanted to figure out what it was. I
went back to the church a couple of times to try every combination of cable
and mount and microphone plus church equipment on and off to see if I could
scare up the same situation and nail it. The cable unplugged was accidental
but possibly an answer, so I left it in the test.

But it was a test only, not me playing the guitar with the cable unplugged.

Gary

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
k...
> "Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>
>> "JackA" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> Jack
>
>> What? Who the **** are you?
>
> Ah, he is the resident troll, he is the one twit-filtering was invented
> for. It way enough to see his posts when quoted.
>
>> Gary
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Well, it works for me with None and Luxey. Does anyone know who they are?
Are they teenagers? I count the trolls as the ones who are here just to lurk
and throw spitballs and do not do any actual work or projects. We are not
likely to see a new CD called "The Micky D Kids Meal Concerto" recorded by
Luxey on his iPhone.

It's amazing how close the correlation between the trolls and the
pseudonyms.

Gary

[Luxey]

Garry, you fool, for better or worse, I introduced my self and my work, here on
this group, more than 15 years ago, both on line and on CD, it included examples of proffessional work, as well as personal and artistic experiments, colaborations
and (lo fi) off shots. If anybody knows/ remembers what it was and how it sounded
is not of my concern, by any means.

[Luxey]

уторак, 31. март 2015. 17..51.53 UTC+2, Gary Eickmeier је напи�ао/ла:

> If you don't understand
> what this was all about, just go back and re-read this thread and
> "Microphone Rumble" from the 19th. Briefly, ...
> But it was a test only, not me playing the guitar with the cable unplugged.
>
> Gary

Poor devil.

[None]

"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gareth Magennis" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> And yes, anyone who unplugs a guitar lead from the guitar, and not
>> the amp, and wonders why it is making a load of noise, must be
>> totally clueless.
>
> Gareth, please leave that kind of remark to the kids, None, Luxey
> etc.

I knew it! It wasn’t a real plonk; it was a Sears plonk. You miss me.
You think about me, you post about me. Even without Luxey and me,
people are still pointing out your cluelessness. And rather that
acquiring a clue, you resort to whining. Classic.

[None]

"Gary Eickmeier" > wrote in message
...
> Well, it works for me with None and Luxey. Does anyone know who they
> are?

Yes, you definitely still miss me. And you're asking other people to
investigate me. Ask thekma; he's got the NSA, MI6, and man from
U.N.C.L.E. chasing me down.

> Are they teenagers? I count the trolls as the ones who are here just
> to lurk and throw spitballs and do not do any actual work or
> projects.

You have no evidence to support that, so the Eickmeier Assumption
Machine roars into action. I mock you, you don’t like it, so
therefore, I do not do any actual projects. That's the kind of
demented "logic" that substitutes for critical thinking in that weird
little brain of yours Thanks for the laugh, clown.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:16:10 PM UTC-4, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> "Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
> k...
> > "Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >
> >> "JackA" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >
> >>> Jack
> >
> >> What? Who the **** are you?
> >
> > Ah, he is the resident troll, he is the one twit-filtering was invented
> > for. It way enough to see his posts when quoted.
> >
> >> Gary
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen
>
> Well, it works for me with None and Luxey. Does anyone know who they are?
> Are they teenagers? I count the trolls as the ones who are here just to lurk
> and throw spitballs and do not do any actual work or projects. We are not
> likely to see a new CD called "The Micky D Kids Meal Concerto" recorded by
> Luxey on his iPhone.
>
> It's amazing how close the correlation between the trolls and the
> pseudonyms.
>
> Gary

I do not know who they are, but they have lighten up on me for unknown reasons. However, I am disappointed in you tagging me a TROLL, just because others may have suggested it. Some "trolls" are actually the best help, as I discovered, so I don't tag anyone. I'm the type person, even if we never agree on a single subject, I'm still willing to shake hands. Just like with Randy, I said "Thank you", even though he felt my BS&T MP3 sucked!!

Jack

[hank alrich]

Peter Larsen > wrote:

> "Gray_Wolf" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>
> > I recorded the sound from your site while it played. My sound card
> > will let me record any sound that's being played on my system. I am
> > curious what was going on at the time the recording was being made. In
> > particular the changing of the hum level.
>
> Hypothesis:
>
> Distance from some person to bass guitar varies, hum vanishes when strings
> are touched by player. Cause of hum: incomplete ground connnection on bass
> guitar.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Common with single coil electromagnetic pickups, and often sensitive to
compass orientation.

--
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HankandShaidriMusic.Com
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[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers > wrote:

> On 3/27/2015 1:53 AM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> > I was still working on the Dropbox thing - re-upped my
> > membership and found it all different from before. But when you send a file
> > to someone the person has to sign in or sign up for Dropbox, then WinRar -
> > what the hell is that?
>
> You can set up a Public folder in Dropbox (it's actually set up
> automatically). Files that you put in that folder are automatically
> uploaded to a Dropbox server and are assigned a "public link." If you
> post that link, anyone can click on it and download a copy of the file.

Ahh, technology, and the opportunity to Read The Furnished Materials.

--
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HankandShaidriMusic.Com
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[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> Very educaitonal - if you have not done this yourself, stay tuned.

From the kindergartener to the PHD, comes crap like that. Whew.

--
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[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> "Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
> k...
> > "Gary Eickmeier" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >
> >> "JackA" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >
> >>> Jack
> >
> >> What? Who the **** are you?
> >
> > Ah, he is the resident troll, he is the one twit-filtering was invented
> > for. It way enough to see his posts when quoted.
> >
> >> Gary
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen
>
> Well, it works for me with None and Luxey. Does anyone know who they are?
> Are they teenagers? I count the trolls as the ones who are here just to lurk
> and throw spitballs and do not do any actual work or projects. We are not
> likely to see a new CD called "The Micky D Kids Meal Concerto" recorded by
> Luxey on his iPhone.
>
> It's amazing how close the correlation between the trolls and the
> pseudonyms.
>
> Gary

As a boderline troll here, Gary, and one who is a newcomer to the board,
you have insufficient experience with the well-informed answers both of
those people have contributed over the years they have been
participating. They are both well beyond you in matters of audio
recording and production.

They slap at you because, honestly, we rarely see one so entitled with
their own ill informed opinions as are you. Many of us are amazed at
your inability to pay attention, your inability to follow advice, and
your attendant arrogance over that of whcih you obviously know so
little. You didn't ehlp yourself one bit with that ignorant bull****
about speakers, and lauding your Bring Other Sound Equipment kit.

I do not consider those two trolls, never have, and never will. I have
thought you a trosl from the gitgo and only recently come to the
conclusion that you are sincere with your posts, not that such makes you
more inclined to seek understanding of fundamentals.

We are more likely to see a symphony composed on an iPhone from either
or both of them than we are to see you making audio sense. Given a good
little stereo mic to plug into an iPhone we are also likely to see
either of them make a better live recording with that rig than we are to
hear the same from you with your kit.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
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