HQ Mastering

[JackA]

Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not sure why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe listening to the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!

I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads of hissy tape songs.

As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD, but I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality. However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly get my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it still shines!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3

A job well done by Mr. Essig!

Jack

[gareth magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not sure
why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe listening to
the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!

I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads of
hissy tape songs.

As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD, but
I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly get
my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it still
shines!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3

A job well done by Mr. Essig!

Jack




Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't sound
like part of the whole to me.


Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:25:39 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not sure
> why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe listening to
> the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!
>
> I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
> multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads of
> hissy tape songs.
>
> As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD, but
> I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
> However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
> couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly get
> my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it still
> shines!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3
>
> A job well done by Mr. Essig!
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't sound
> like part of the whole to me.

Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic, but you people are the experts!!

Jack :)
>
>
> Gareth.

[gareth magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:25:39 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not sure
> why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe listening
> to
> the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!
>
> I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
> multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads of
> hissy tape songs.
>
> As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD,
> but
> I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
> However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
> couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly
> get
> my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it
> still
> shines!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3
>
> A job well done by Mr. Essig!
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't sound
> like part of the whole to me.

Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic, but you
people are the experts!!

Jack :)
>
>
> Gareth.




Don't be ridiculous, I am not about to spend hours posting something I
consider "superior", that is a meaningless concept.


Er, if you have a monophonic signal, you can pan it left or right.
Please try harder.



Gareth.

[geoff]

On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:

>
> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic,

Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo albums
are made ?!!!

geoff

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:
>
> >
> > Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic,
>
> Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo albums
> are made ?!!!

Oh, I get it, all drums are recorded on one track in monophonic!!

Five week #1 hit, even a Grammy issued! But CBS Radio doesn't play Roberta, too great a black artist, I guess!!

Jack

>
> geoff

[geoff]

On 7/03/2015 11:44 a.m., JackA wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in
>>> monophonic,
>>
>> Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo
>> albums are made ?!!!
>
> Oh, I get it, all drums are recorded on one track in monophonic!!

Pretty much, yes. Nowadays one track each, then pan-potted across a
stereo 'sound-stage' and reverberated (etc) to construct a more
expansive image.

Of course many earlier recordings were made with very limited number of
tape tracks, and things like drums all ended up on one tape track, which
can only be pan-potted to one 'location' all together.

But it's not like that hasn't been explained to you many times already.

Not sure if the Flack recording fits that description.

geoff

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:17:39 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 7/03/2015 11:44 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in
> >>> monophonic,
> >>
> >> Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo
> >> albums are made ?!!!
> >
> > Oh, I get it, all drums are recorded on one track in monophonic!!
>
> Pretty much, yes. Nowadays one track each, then pan-potted across a
> stereo 'sound-stage' and reverberated (etc) to construct a more
> expansive image.
>
> Of course many earlier recordings were made with very limited number of
> tape tracks, and things like drums all ended up on one tape track, which
> can only be pan-potted to one 'location' all together.
>
> But it's not like that hasn't been explained to you many times already.
>
> Not sure if the Flack recording fits that description.

I'd say, more often than not, at a minimum, both drums and cymbals were recorded on separate tracks.

Explained by whom? Someone here recorded a song I know, a US Top 40 hit?? I think not!

Jack

>
> geoff

[gareth magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:17:39 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 7/03/2015 11:44 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in
> >>> monophonic,
> >>
> >> Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo
> >> albums are made ?!!!
> >
> > Oh, I get it, all drums are recorded on one track in monophonic!!
>
> Pretty much, yes. Nowadays one track each, then pan-potted across a
> stereo 'sound-stage' and reverberated (etc) to construct a more
> expansive image.
>
> Of course many earlier recordings were made with very limited number of
> tape tracks, and things like drums all ended up on one tape track, which
> can only be pan-potted to one 'location' all together.
>
> But it's not like that hasn't been explained to you many times already.
>
> Not sure if the Flack recording fits that description.

I'd say, more often than not, at a minimum, both drums and cymbals were
recorded on separate tracks.

Explained by whom? Someone here recorded a song I know, a US Top 40 hit?? I
think not!





One stereo drum track. I believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfR_HWMzgyc






Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:38:30 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:25:39 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not sure
> > why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe listening
> > to
> > the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!
> >
> > I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
> > multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads of
> > hissy tape songs.
> >
> > As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD,
> > but
> > I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
> > However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
> > couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly
> > get
> > my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it
> > still
> > shines!...
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3
> >
> > A job well done by Mr. Essig!
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't sound
> > like part of the whole to me.
>
> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic, but you
> people are the experts!!
>
> Jack :)
> >
> >
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
> Don't be ridiculous, I am not about to spend hours posting something I
> consider "superior", that is a meaningless concept.
>
>
> Er, if you have a monophonic signal, you can pan it left or right.
> Please try harder.

Try harder to hear the high-hat is separated from the bass (kick) drum? Okay!!! The marvels of monophonic sound!

Jack
>
>
> Gareth.

[gareth magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:38:30 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:25:39 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not
> > sure
> > why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe
> > listening
> > to
> > the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!
> >
> > I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
> > multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads
> > of
> > hissy tape songs.
> >
> > As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD,
> > but
> > I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
> > However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
> > couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly
> > get
> > my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it
> > still
> > shines!...
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3
> >
> > A job well done by Mr. Essig!
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't
> > sound
> > like part of the whole to me.
>
> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic, but
> you
> people are the experts!!
>
> Jack :)
> >
> >
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
> Don't be ridiculous, I am not about to spend hours posting something I
> consider "superior", that is a meaningless concept.
>
>
> Er, if you have a monophonic signal, you can pan it left or right.
> Please try harder.

Try harder to hear the high-hat is separated from the bass (kick) drum?
Okay!!! The marvels of monophonic sound!

Jack
>
>
> Gareth.





I don't think many people are particularly interested in that detail.
Why are you?

[gareth magennis]

Jack, should have realised a while ago you're a Troll or an Aspie.

Apologies to group.



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:47:06 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:17:39 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > On 7/03/2015 11:44 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >> On 7/03/2015 10:30 a.m., JackA wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in
> > >>> monophonic,
> > >>
> > >> Um, you *still* haven't twigged as to how the majority of stereo
> > >> albums are made ?!!!
> > >
> > > Oh, I get it, all drums are recorded on one track in monophonic!!
> >
> > Pretty much, yes. Nowadays one track each, then pan-potted across a
> > stereo 'sound-stage' and reverberated (etc) to construct a more
> > expansive image.
> >
> > Of course many earlier recordings were made with very limited number of
> > tape tracks, and things like drums all ended up on one tape track, which
> > can only be pan-potted to one 'location' all together.
> >
> > But it's not like that hasn't been explained to you many times already.
> >
> > Not sure if the Flack recording fits that description.
>
> I'd say, more often than not, at a minimum, both drums and cymbals were
> recorded on separate tracks.
>
> Explained by whom? Someone here recorded a song I know, a US Top 40 hit?? I
> think not!
>
>
>
>
>
> One stereo drum track. I believe.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfR_HWMzgyc

Yeah, and? Nice song!!!

Jimmy Page would overdub to any hiss filled tape....

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/allofmylove.mp3

Remaster that!!

Jack

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gareth.

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 7:02:45 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:38:30 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > "JackA" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 4:25:39 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> > > "JackA" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Rick Essig of REM Sound, LLC, did the remastering on this CD. I'm not
> > > sure
> > > why I purchased The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD (2006), maybe
> > > listening
> > > to
> > > the song snippets (samples) quickly made my mind up!
> > >
> > > I do believe Atlantic Records had a severe fire that destroyed many
> > > multi-tracks. Probably one of the worst labels for sound quality, loads
> > > of
> > > hissy tape songs.
> > >
> > > As I stated before, I already had a Roberta Flack songs compilation CD,
> > > but
> > > I quickly shelved it, because I was not impressed by the audio quality.
> > > However, at first glance, Killing Me Softly With His Song, as well as a
> > > couple other songs on The Very Best Of Roberta Flack CD - would quickly
> > > get
> > > my stamp, "Made In The USA with Pride"! Even as a low bitrate MP3, it
> > > still
> > > shines!...
> > >
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/killingmesoftly.mp3
> > >
> > > A job well done by Mr. Essig!
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still sounds hissy, and the dums, panned to the right in mono, don't
> > > sound
> > > like part of the whole to me.
> >
> > Post something superior!!! Not sure how you pan drums in monophonic, but
> > you
> > people are the experts!!
> >
> > Jack :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Gareth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't be ridiculous, I am not about to spend hours posting something I
> > consider "superior", that is a meaningless concept.
> >
> >
> > Er, if you have a monophonic signal, you can pan it left or right.
> > Please try harder.
>
> Try harder to hear the high-hat is separated from the bass (kick) drum?
> Okay!!! The marvels of monophonic sound!
>
> Jack
> >
> >
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think many people are particularly interested in that detail.
> Why are you?

What detail? Drums? Because I played the drums!! Not some stupid guitar - like the Four Mops!! Oh, sorry guitarist, don't take that the wrong way!!

But, really, listen to that Zep track - All Of My Love and listen to the tape hiss GROW as the strings start!! And Neil Young features it (Zep) on his PONO?
I'm sure Jimmy Page was a major Kickstart player!! Ha!

Jack

[hank alrich]

Gareth Magennis > wrote:

> Jack, should have realised a while ago you're a Troll or an Aspie.
>
> Apologies to group.
>
>
>
> Gareth.

Appreciated, both your apology and your sincere desire to help people
learn stuff. Hear, hear. Thank you.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[[email protected]]

Gareth Magennis wrote: "Jack, should have realised a while ago you're a Troll or an Aspie. "

Got something against Asperger sufferers, BIGOT?!

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> Gareth Magennis wrote: "Jack, should have realised a while ago
> you're a Troll or an Aspie. "
>
> Got something against Asperger sufferers, BIGOT?!

It becomes a problem when Aspies make other people suffer, DUMB****!

[Luxey]

субота, 07. март 2015. 17..14.00 UTC+1,

> Got something against Asperger sufferers, BIGOT?!

From online urban dictionary, emphasis on "...not meaant as a put down ..."


"An aspie is one who has Asperger's Syndrome, which is believed to be part of the autism spectrum. Aspies, while being quite gifted verbally, have social, emotional, and sensory integration difficulties, among others. Aspie is an affectionate term, and is not meant as a put down.

My son is an aspie, so he's not so great at making idle chit chat at parties, or even at being in crowds, but he can get us home from anywhere. He says he just consults the map in his brain."

[JackA]

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 11:14:00 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Gareth Magennis wrote: "Jack, should have realised a while ago you're a Troll or an Aspie. "
>
> Got something against Asperger sufferers, BIGOT?!

Ha!! Fun people here. At least I taught one about K vs k!!! :)

Hey, K' (sorry, don't know your name!) you ever hear the legitimate Foreigner remixes? Offered, I believe, exclusively at Wal-Mart, (3) disc, (2) CD, (1) DVD. They are LOUD, but I like 'em (remixes) for the extended endings!

Best,
Jack

[[email protected]]

JackA wrote: "Hey, K' (sorry, don't know your name!) you ever hear the legitimate
Foreigner remixes? Offered, I believe, exclusively at Wal-Mart, (3) disc, (2) CD, (1)
DVD. They are LOUD, but I like 'em (remixes) for the extended endings! "


I'd say you and I are equals among status-quo disrupters on here, but it
seems you are on the same Loudness band wagon I never got on.

[JackA]

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> JackA wrote: "Hey, K' (sorry, don't know your name!) you ever hear the legitimate
> Foreigner remixes? Offered, I believe, exclusively at Wal-Mart, (3) disc, (2) CD, (1)
> DVD. They are LOUD, but I like 'em (remixes) for the extended endings! "
>
>
> I'd say you and I are equals among status-quo disrupters on here, but it
> seems you are on the same Loudness band wagon I never got on.

Be fair, like many others, they, too, look at waveforms and interpret them, rather than a listening test. If it were a few decades back, no one would say a word or complain. I never heard a DJ say, "Great song, but it's too loud"! Sure, I do some peak trimming, but nothing excessive. Besides, that Foreigner CD tells me I'm below average! :)

Jack

[[email protected]]

JackA wrote: "- show quoted text -
Be fair, like many others, they, too, look at waveforms and interpret them, rather than a listening
test. If it were a few decades back, no one would say a word or complain. I never heard a DJ say,
"Great song, but it's too loud"! Sure, I do some peak trimming, but nothing excessive. Besides,
that Foreigner CD tells me I'm below average! :)

Jack "

I value envelope or waveform analysis equally with a good listen. Sometimes I listen,
and what I hear is confirmed by what I see on the screen.

[JackA]

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:14:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> JackA wrote: "- show quoted text -
> Be fair, like many others, they, too, look at waveforms and interpret them, rather than a listening
> test. If it were a few decades back, no one would say a word or complain. I never heard a DJ say,
> "Great song, but it's too loud"! Sure, I do some peak trimming, but nothing excessive. Besides,
> that Foreigner CD tells me I'm below average! :)
>
> Jack "
>
> I value envelope or waveform analysis equally with a good listen. Sometimes I listen,
> and what I hear is confirmed by what I see on the screen.

Fair answer. But where we differ is with remixing. You want to hear songs as you remember them (I know others do, too). I'd rather let someone else have a chance and remix, maybe extend the ending of favorite songs, or even premier stereo mixes. They remixed, Smoke On The Water, by Deep Purple - major change. My only complaint is that they leave the vocals parts (like, "Shake a leg"!) out during the extended ending. I think it was done (remix/remaster) at Abbey Road. My guess, analog mixing, but digitally enhanced. I chuckle each time when the music dies and you hear a "Damnit!" at the end, maybe someone snapped a guitar string! :)

Jack

[[email protected]]

JackA:

My issue is with said remixes/'remasters' becoming
the "official" version when released. What we
remember gets lost in the dustbin of history, unless
we were lucky to buy the initial release.

[JackA]

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 7:17:07 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> JackA:
>
> My issue is with said remixes/'remasters' becoming
> the "official" version when released. What we
> remember gets lost in the dustbin of history, unless
> we were lucky to buy the initial release.

True in some cases, but not always. There's not that many people who remember "mixes" to begin with. Some artists, 50's+, re-recorded songs just for the stereo aspect. And, as I mentioned, no one seems concerned with FM Stereo stations processing sound and altering mixes. Besides, that remix of Joe Cocker's "Cry Me A River" corrected the initially bad mix. I'm thankful someone else noticed it.

Jack

Jack