How Mastering Engineers Disappoint Me

[JackA]

I always admired the song, Radar Love, by Golden Earring, about 1973.
When I found that song as multi-tracks, my jaw dropped to the floor hearing the clarity of drumming! On this remixed rendition, it's far from what it could be, quality wise, because material is premixed to (3) or (4) stereo tracks. Lead Vocals suffer, for example.

What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal work is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, they used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit version!!

You'll notice no fade-in guitar work as with the hit. The horns stand-out, tambourine nice and clear, love the high-hat and cymbals sound. So quiet, you can even hear the guitarist getting ready to overdub his guitar work!!

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/radarlove160.mp3

Why I feel man should return to where he began, and remix tracks for the ultimate in sound quality, not some overdubbed, spent, master tape!!

Thank you for agreeing!

Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

JackA > wrote:
>
>What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal wor=
>k is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, the=
>y used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This=
> is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to =
>existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit ver=
>sion!!

Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
were added in the mastering session.

I think it's pretty clear that whatever master tracks or stems you have got
your hands on are incomplete.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
> were added in the mastering session.

How in the world can one properly call oneself a Mastering Engineer if
one is unable to add a little thing like a vocal during this so-called
"mastering" process?


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[Scott Dorsey]

hank alrich > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey > wrote:
>
>> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
>> were added in the mastering session.
>
>How in the world can one properly call oneself a Mastering Engineer if
>one is unable to add a little thing like a vocal during this so-called
>"mastering" process?

What about yodelling? I always wanted to yodel.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 5 Mar 2015 13:38:52 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>hank alrich > wrote:
>>Scott Dorsey > wrote:
>>
>>> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
>>> were added in the mastering session.
>>
>>How in the world can one properly call oneself a Mastering Engineer if
>>one is unable to add a little thing like a vocal during this so-called
>>"mastering" process?
>
>What about yodelling? I always wanted to yodel.
>--scott

You know you just said that out loud?

d

[Neil Gould]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> hank alrich > wrote:
>> Scott Dorsey > wrote:
>>
>>> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe
>>> that vocals were added in the mastering session.
>>
>> How in the world can one properly call oneself a Mastering Engineer
>> if one is unable to add a little thing like a vocal during this
>> so-called "mastering" process?
>
> What about yodelling? I always wanted to yodel.
>
Easy! That can be done by pitch correcting the vocals that are being added
during mastering. ;-D

Imagine the look of pleasure on the artists' faces when they hear the
result!
--
best regards,

Neil

[JackA]

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 9:22:25 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> JackA > wrote:
> >
> >What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal wor=
> >k is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, the=
> >y used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This=
> > is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to =
> >existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit ver=
> >sion!!
>
> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
> were added in the mastering session.

Oh, but you would agree that Thin Lizzy's, "Jailbreak" song was missing the siren sounds on the multi-tracks. Gee, Scott, I wonder how they were added!!??
Don't mess Scott!!! :-)

Jack
>
> I think it's pretty clear that whatever master tracks or stems you have got
> your hands on are incomplete.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[JackA]

On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 1:44:53 PM UTC-5, JackA wrote:
> I always admired the song, Radar Love, by Golden Earring, about 1973.
> When I found that song as multi-tracks, my jaw dropped to the floor hearing the clarity of drumming! On this remixed rendition, it's far from what it could be, quality wise, because material is premixed to (3) or (4) stereo tracks. Lead Vocals suffer, for example.
>
> What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal work is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, they used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit version!!
>
> You'll notice no fade-in guitar work as with the hit. The horns stand-out, tambourine nice and clear, love the high-hat and cymbals sound. So quiet, you can even hear the guitarist getting ready to overdub his guitar work!!
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/radarlove160.mp3
>
> Why I feel man should return to where he began, and remix tracks for the ultimate in sound quality, not some overdubbed, spent, master tape!!
>
> Thank you for agreeing!
>
> Jack


I TRY to be serious, but I feel this group should be renamed, rec.audio.comedy.central!! Really!!

Bunch of amateurs!! :-)

Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

JackA > wrote:
>On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 9:22:25 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> JackA > wrote:
>> >
>> >What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal wor=
>> >k is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, the=
>> >y used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This=
>> > is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to =
>> >existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit ver=
>> >sion!!
>>
>> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
>> were added in the mastering session.
>
>Oh, but you would agree that Thin Lizzy's, "Jailbreak" song was missing the siren sounds on the multi-tracks. Gee, Scott, I wonder how they were added!!??

I know! Aliens from planet Zargon came and dubbed them in! It could have
happened! It's no less likely than the crazy stuff you're suggesting.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> JackA > wrote:
> >On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 9:22:25 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> >> JackA > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >What is missing? It SOUNDS like the "hit", but some added (minor) vocal wor=
> >> >k is missing. I have to assume, once they mixed down the stereo master, the=
> >> >y used that to overdub those missing vocals, degrading audio quality!! This=
> >> > is nothing new, many "engineers" would add and add more and more sound to =
> >> >existing mixed tapes, to a point the album version didn't match the hit ver=
> >> >sion!!
> >>
> >> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe that vocals
> >> were added in the mastering session.
> >
> >Oh, but you would agree that Thin Lizzy's, "Jailbreak" song was missing the siren sounds on the multi-tracks. Gee, Scott, I wonder how they were added!!??
>
> I know! Aliens from planet Zargon came and dubbed them in! It could have
> happened! It's no less likely than the crazy stuff you're suggesting.

I do a lot of independent research on my own. I put two and two together. Find factual evidence! Even acclaimed attorney told me collectors are the best source for information! Anyway, they remixed that Thin Lizzy CD-album. That is where it is stated that the sirens were missing! Thin' obviously holds their session tapes and probably passed-down from lead Singer to guitarist, who felt his guitar was out of tune (The Boys Are Back In Town), so he replaced it, decades later, on the multi-tracks. Not that it is very noticeable, just strange to find it occurring. Take that, Scotty!

Jack

> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 7/03/2015 4:07 a.m., JackA wrote:

> Oh, but you would agree that Thin Lizzy's, "Jailbreak" song was
> missing the siren sounds on the multi-tracks.

And you have copies of the original multitracks ? Not some silly
extracted game versions. And you know you have ALL the source tracks ?

geoff

[JackA]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:20:31 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 7/03/2015 4:07 a.m., JackA wrote:
>
> > Oh, but you would agree that Thin Lizzy's, "Jailbreak" song was
> > missing the siren sounds on the multi-tracks.
>
> And you have copies of the original multitracks ? Not some silly
> extracted game versions. And you know you have ALL the source tracks ?

I do have the Thin Lizzy multis!!! Odd thing, Remastered CD opens with "Hands up.." vocals, mine opens with a studio count-off/down!!!

Jack
>
> geoff

[hank alrich]

Neil Gould > wrote:

> Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > hank alrich > wrote:
> >> Scott Dorsey > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Umm.... I can't help but think you are joking here if you believe
> >>> that vocals were added in the mastering session.
> >>
> >> How in the world can one properly call oneself a Mastering Engineer
> >> if one is unable to add a little thing like a vocal during this
> >> so-called "mastering" process?
> >
> > What about yodelling? I always wanted to yodel.
> >
> Easy! That can be done by pitch correcting the vocals that are being added
> during mastering. ;-D
>
> Imagine the look of pleasure on the artists' faces when they hear the
> result!

I have
shifted up your pitch
because higher is
a bigger number and
more is better!

Thank me
you later

Die, Namick Range! All your decibels are us!!

There is much to this mastering, alert in the forest of tall speakers.

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