iZotope Ozone 5 Mastering Suite Kicks Ass!

[Paul[_13_]]

I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!

This was with an autoharp player who also sang at the same time.

I turned on Ozone 5, and scrolled through the presets, and
clicked on one of them, and BAM! Suddenly, her track leaped
out at us! She was visibly stunned when it happened! Turned
out to be multiband compression with a Maximizer (peak limiting).

Pretty simple preset, but VERY effective!

I didn't touch it, it was so perfect!

Wow!

:)

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!

What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?


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[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>
> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>


Obviously, it wasn't leaping out enough.

[geoff]

On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>
> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>
>

Not enough 3kHz !

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 7:32 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

> Obviously, it wasn't leaping out enough.

Whatever that means.

I get really tired of reading of a processor or a microphone that 'made
the snare really crack" or "the kick really punch" or "guitar really
jump." Doesn't anyone make a balanced mix any more?



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[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 3:02 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
>> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>>
>> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>>
>>
>
> Not enough 3kHz !
>
> geoff

So glad I wasn't drinkin' anything, else it
would have screen cleaning time. <G>

==
Later...
Ron Capik
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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 9:02 PM, geoff wrote:
> Not enough 3kHz !

I guess some people feel better adding that with a $250 app than turning
the EQ knob they already have.

I know that Ozone can do some pretty neat things, but I'm curious as to
what it actually did in this case to make Paul and his client so
enthusiastic. And also, what he tried before (if anything) that didn't
work.

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[Paul[_13_]]

On 3/1/2015 5:43 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>
> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>

The overall volume was too low. I had to back off
the channels to prevent the final output bus from clipping.

I hate to add to the loudness wars, but in the end,
the track had a good volume level, and peak-to-average ratio
was lower, so the amplitudes were more even.

[Paul[_13_]]

On 3/1/2015 1:02 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
>> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>>
>> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>>
>>
>
> Not enough 3kHz !
>
> geoff


No, not enough 10kHz and 500Hz, but I took care of that
with EQ.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>On 3/1/2015 7:32 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>
>> Obviously, it wasn't leaping out enough.
>
>Whatever that means.
>
>I get really tired of reading of a processor or a microphone that 'made
>the snare really crack" or "the kick really punch" or "guitar really
>jump." Doesn't anyone make a balanced mix any more?

It's an addictive thing. You do something to one track to make it stand
out, next thing you know you have to do something else to another track
to make it heard over the first one.

It sure sells a lot of gadgets, but in the end it's usually not as effective
as simple subtractive EQ to make other tracks stand out less.

On the other hand... sometimes you really need something that will cut through
a dense mix. The MKH105 is a remarkable thing for making a vocal stand out.
--scott

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/2/2015 1:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> It's an addictive thing. You do something to one track to make it stand
> out, next thing you know you have to do something else to another track
> to make it heard over the first one.
>
> It sure sells a lot of gadgets, but in the end it's usually not as effective
> as simple subtractive EQ to make other tracks stand out less.

Like most people, when I first got a console with solo buttons, I'd solo
every track and tweak it so it sounded fantastic, then went on to the
next track. When I pushed up all the faders, the mix didn't sound as
good as before I started fooling around with individual tracks. I didn't
necessarily undo everything, but I ended up changing just about
everything I did with the soloed tracks. Now, about the only reason I
solo a track is to make sure I'm working on the right one when I'm
tweaking it while listening to the rest of the tracks.

I have to qualify this with a couple of things. First, I don't mix dance
tracks, unless you consider clog or square dancing "dance tracks." And
second, it's rare that I have more than about a dozen tracks going into
a mix. People who make the big bucks, or aspire to, usually have more
tracks and more need for "go for the gut" mixes.

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[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 8:28 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 3/2/2015 1:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> It's an addictive thing. You do something to one track to make it stand
>> out, next thing you know you have to do something else to another track
>> to make it heard over the first one.
>>
>> It sure sells a lot of gadgets, but in the end it's usually not as
>> effective
>> as simple subtractive EQ to make other tracks stand out less.
>
> Like most people, when I first got a console with solo buttons, I'd solo
> every track and tweak it so it sounded fantastic, then went on to the
> next track. When I pushed up all the faders, the mix didn't sound as
> good as before I started fooling around with individual tracks. I didn't
> necessarily undo everything, but I ended up changing just about
> everything I did with the soloed tracks. Now, about the only reason I
> solo a track is to make sure I'm working on the right one when I'm
> tweaking it while listening to the rest of the tracks.
>
> I have to qualify this with a couple of things. First, I don't mix dance
> tracks, unless you consider clog or square dancing "dance tracks." And
> second, it's rare that I have more than about a dozen tracks going into
> a mix. People who make the big bucks, or aspire to, usually have more
> tracks and more need for "go for the gut" mixes.
>

My experience with the solo button thing is a bit different. I used it for
live sound reinforcement. What I did was run a solo feed through an EQ
to the phones only. I'd tweak the solo to fit in with the house stuff
bleeding
into the phones. Only if I found something in need of a tweak would I apply
that to the live SR feed. It seemed to work well for me. The point here
being
to tweak IN CONTEXT.
I'm not sure how or if this technique may be applicable to studio mix down
work flow.

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>I have to qualify this with a couple of things. First, I don't mix dance
>tracks, unless you consider clog or square dancing "dance tracks." And
>second, it's rare that I have more than about a dozen tracks going into
>a mix. People who make the big bucks, or aspire to, usually have more
>tracks and more need for "go for the gut" mixes.

The thing is, those are the people who _most_ need aggressive subtraction in
order to keep the important stuff front and center. The more complex the
arrangement, the more stuff that can't be up front.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers > wrote:

> On 3/1/2015 7:32 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>
> > Obviously, it wasn't leaping out enough.
>
> Whatever that means.

Depends where your third ear is coming from.
Leaping lizards? Frogs? Felines? Female vocal seductivityness factors?
(Dude, it's a preset. Calm down.)

Innocent mixers lap this up deeper than a set of Hobart wands working in
a donut shop two doors down from the police station.

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[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers > wrote:

> Doesn't anyone make a balanced mix any more?

You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?

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[hank alrich]

Ron C > wrote:

> On 3/1/2015 3:02 PM, geoff wrote:
> > On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> >> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
> >>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
> >>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
> >>
> >> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Not enough 3kHz !
> >
> > geoff
>
> So glad I wasn't drinkin' anything, else it
> would have screen cleaning time. <G>

Geoff just said that for emphasis.

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[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 10:34 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> Ron C > wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/2015 3:02 PM, geoff wrote:
>>> On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
>>>> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
>>>>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
>>>>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
>>>>
>>>> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not enough 3kHz !
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> So glad I wasn't drinkin' anything, else it
>> would have screen cleaning time. <G>
>
> Geoff just said that for emphasis.
>
Um, as needed when one has their
head up their .. JackA. 8-)

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/1/2015 10:33 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>> Doesn't anyone make a balanced mix any more?
>
> You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
> speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
> size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?
>
Should be good if they weigh about the same. 8-)

==
Later....
Ron Capik
--

[JackA]

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 10:47:21 PM UTC-5, Ron C wrote:
> On 3/1/2015 10:34 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> > Ron C > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/1/2015 3:02 PM, geoff wrote:
> >>> On 2/03/2015 1:43 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> >>>> On 3/1/2015 12:28 PM, Paul wrote:
> >>>>> I know many people don't like presets, but dang almighty,
> >>>>> sometimes you get lucky, and one of them works perfectly!
> >>>>
> >>>> What was wrong with it before you applied Ozone 5?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Not enough 3kHz !
> >>>
> >>> geoff
> >>
> >> So glad I wasn't drinkin' anything, else it
> >> would have screen cleaning time. <G>
> >
> > Geoff just said that for emphasis.
> >
> Um, as needed when one has their
> head up their .. JackA. 8-)

Yeah, even Steve Hoffman [Beatles} claims:

"No one realized it at the time but Geoff's recording style squashed so much dynamically that after a few bouncedowns, the impact of the snare drum was totally lost. (Think of GOT TO GET YOU IN TO MY LIFE). So they started reinforcing it, simple as that".

Must run in the "name"!!! Thanks, Geoff! PLONK!

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beatles-the-extra-overdubbed-snare.418442/


Behave, Ron!

Jack :)
>
> ==
> Later...
> Ron Capik
> --

[None]

"JackAasssss" > wrote in message
...
> Must run in the "name"!!! Thanks, Geoff! PLONK!

.... yet another word that Jack/Uni/JerseyJohn doesn't understand.

[geoff]

On 2/03/2015 5:09 p.m., JackA wrote:

>
> Must run in the "name"!!! Thanks, Geoff! PLONK!

So I guess that makes you a plonker then.

geoff

[geoff]

On 2/03/2015 4:33 p.m., hank alrich wrote:
> Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>> Doesn't anyone make a balanced mix any more?
>
> You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
> speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
> size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?
>


Especially headphones, or you will crick your neck.

geoff

[Mike Rivers]

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:34:04 AM UTC+1, hank alrich wrote:

> You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
> speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
> size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?

You have a speaker on the left side and another one on the right side? Since you have a stereo system, you're supposed to have one speaker in the living room and the other speaker in the kitchen. That was you can hear music wherever you are in the house.

[Frank Stearns]

Mike Rivers > writes:

>On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:34:04 AM UTC+1, hank alrich wrote:

>> You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
>> speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
>> size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?

>You have a speaker on the left side and another one on the right side? Since you
>have a stereo system, you're supposed to have one speaker in the living room and
>the other speaker in the kitchen. That was you can hear music wherever you are in the
>house.

Mike, Mike! You're thinking of 5.1 or 7.1, depending on the size of your house.

One speaker each for the kitchen, dining, bathroom, master bedroom, kid's room, rec
room, garage... (Oh, and the big heavy box that's a little shy on treble but makes
that really cool one-note rumble goes into the attic so that it can shake the entire
house.)

Frank
Mobile Audio
--

[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers > wrote:

> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:34:04 AM UTC+1, hank alrich wrote:
>
> > You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
> > speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
> > size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?
>
> You have a speaker on the left side and another one on the right side?
>Since you have a stereo system, you're supposed to have one speaker in
>the living room and the other speaker in the kitchen. That was you can
>hear music wherever you are in the house.
>

That's why I love my baby
She's so big and tall
She sleeps in the kitchen
With her feets out in the hall
I creep around the rooms
Quiet as a mouse
And everywhere I go
There's some woman in the house

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[Scott Dorsey]

Frank Stearns > wrote:
>
>Mike, Mike! You're thinking of 5.1 or 7.1, depending on the size of your house.
>
>One speaker each for the kitchen, dining, bathroom, master bedroom, kid's room, rec
>room, garage... (Oh, and the big heavy box that's a little shy on treble but makes
>that really cool one-note rumble goes into the attic so that it can shake the entire
>house.)

Oh, is THAT what that is? I thought you had Mongo Santamaria chained up there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
hank alrich > wrote:
>Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 4:34:04 AM UTC+1, hank alrich wrote:
>>
>> > You know, you got me thinking about this. Are you saying that the
>> > speaker I am using on the left side should be approximately the same
>> > size and shape as the one I am using on the right side?
>>
>> You have a speaker on the left side and another one on the right side?
>>Since you have a stereo system, you're supposed to have one speaker in
>>the living room and the other speaker in the kitchen. That was you can
>>hear music wherever you are in the house.
>>
>
>That's why I love my baby
>She's so big and tall
>She sleeps in the kitchen
>With her feets out in the hall
>I creep around the rooms
>Quiet as a mouse
>And everywhere I go
>There's some woman in the house

I've got a girl who is nine feet tall
Way down in Cuba
She sleeps in the kitchen with her feet in the hall
And we're running down to Cuba.
--scott

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