g2 wireless transmitter repair

[Alice D]

anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/evolution-wireless/sk-g2-100-300-500-tx/surface-mount-tactile-switch-on-main-pcb.html

[JackA]

On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 12:43:50 PM UTC-5, Alice D wrote:
> anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?
>
> http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/evolution-wireless/sk-g2-100-300-500-tx/surface-mount-tactile-switch-on-main-pcb.html

How difficult it is to access is beyond my knowledge. But, to me, it looks like a surface mounted (an soldered) component, so it SHOULD be easy to replace.

Jack

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 2/7/2015 6:43 PM, Alice D wrote:
> anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?

Not without seeing it, but since you're asking, I gather you haven't
opened up the transmitter yet. If you can't figure out how to do that,
you probably shouldn't be trying to repair it.

I'd try to take a look at it but I poked around on the Sennhieser web
site and can't find anything about a G2 system. It must be discontinued.
If the switch is on a body pack transmitter, it shouldn't be too
difficult to replace. If it's in a hand-held mic, that might be a real
puzzle to disassemble.

Any factory service is expensive, but Sennheiser's isn't outrageous, at
least in the US. You might contact their service department, describe
your problem, and see what they say.



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[gareth magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 12:43:50 PM UTC-5, Alice D wrote:
> anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?
>
> http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/evolution-wireless/sk-g2-100-300-500-tx/surface-mount-tactile-switch-on-main-pcb.html

How difficult it is to access is beyond my knowledge. But, to me, it looks
like a surface mounted (an soldered) component, so it SHOULD be easy to
replace.

Jack




No it will not be easy at all.

If the OP is not skilled in removing and replacing SMD components, the most
likely scenario will be a written off PCB with no way of mounting the switch
any more.
If they were capable of such a repair they would not be asking this
question.



Gareth.

[Alice D]

Thanks guys i have the parts already and found a step by step tutorial and
no it just gets stuck to the board

no soldering

i also saw an easy youtube video on how to dissemble its really
straightforward.



"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ...

On 2/7/2015 6:43 PM, Alice D wrote:
> anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?

Not without seeing it, but since you're asking, I gather you haven't
opened up the transmitter yet. If you can't figure out how to do that,
you probably shouldn't be trying to repair it.

I'd try to take a look at it but I poked around on the Sennhieser web
site and can't find anything about a G2 system. It must be discontinued.
If the switch is on a body pack transmitter, it shouldn't be too
difficult to replace. If it's in a hand-held mic, that might be a real
puzzle to disassemble.

Any factory service is expensive, but Sennheiser's isn't outrageous, at
least in the US. You might contact their service department, describe
your problem, and see what they say.



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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 2/7/2015 10:23 PM, Alice D wrote:
> Thanks guys i have the parts already and found a step by step tutorial
> and no it just gets stuck to the board
>
> no soldering
>
> i also saw an easy youtube video on how to dissemble its really
> straightforward.

So, what was your question, if you already knew the answer? Did you try
what you saw in the video and that didn't fix the problem?



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[hank alrich]

Gareth Magennis > wrote:

>> "JackA" wrote in message
>> ...
>
> On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 12:43:50 PM UTC-5, Alice D wrote:
> >> anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?
> >>
> > >
> > >http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/evolution-wireless/sk-g2-100-300-500-tx/
> > >surface-mount-tactile-switch-on-main-pcb.html
> > >
> >How difficult it is to access is beyond my knowledge. But, to me, it looks
> >like a surface mounted (an soldered) component, so it SHOULD be easy to
> >replace.



> No it will not be easy at all.
>
> If the OP is not skilled in removing and replacing SMD components, the most
> likely scenario will be a written off PCB with no way of mounting the switch
> any more.
> If they were capable of such a repair they would not be asking this
> question.
>
>
>
> Gareth.

As one who knows where that switch goes and for what it is used I
concur. Find a tech or let Sennheiser repair it.

(Ain't it grand when a reply opens with the admission that the poster
knows nothing about this, but then decides this should be easy.)

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[gareth magennis]

"Alice D" wrote in message
o.uk...

Thanks guys i have the parts already and found a step by step tutorial and
no it just gets stuck to the board

no soldering

i also saw an easy youtube video on how to dissemble its really
straightforward.






Er, no desoldering or soldering a SMD tactile switch?
Don't think so.

Oh, I just found that tutorial too. Here it is:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repairing+Sennheiser+SK100+G3+button/17440



Seems you just have to rip the old switch off the pads it is soldered to,
without apparently ripping the solder pads off the PCB in the process.
And then you stick the new switch on using sticky tape.

Classic piece of Internet ****e.


Good luck with that one.



Gareth.

[[email protected]]

To the op
If the switch contacts are part of the pwb and you really just have to
Replace the snap action metal, without soldering
like in a tv remote control, you might
Be able to do it.

But if the switch is surface mount soldered to the pwb
Unless you have the tools and experience to do that kind of tiny soldering
Work, you will probably not be able to do it.

Mark

[[email protected]]

Yes, in the pictures it seems the switch is Soldered to the pwb
I would be surprised if you can just pull it off the pwb without
A soldering iron

But it doesnt look too hard for someone that is experienced with smt
Soldering. I suggest you find such a person to assist.
Mark

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>Yes, in the pictures it seems the switch is Soldered to the pwb
>I would be surprised if you can just pull it off the pwb without
>A soldering iron
>
>But it doesnt look too hard for someone that is experienced with smt
>Soldering. I suggest you find such a person to assist.

It looks awfully crowded. It doesn't look terrible... I'd give it a
shot. But I'd want to use a headworn magnifier. If you have hot
tweezers, this would be a good application for them but a normal
temperature-controlled iron with a 1/32" chisel would do it.

If you have never done SMT rework before, this would not be a good
place to start, but if you have done only a little bit before it
might not be bad. The key is to always use more flux than you think
you will need.... suck up the old solder, then glue the new switch
down with flux so it doesn't shift and then SLOWLY bead a little solder
onto the pad so it climbs up the leg. Watch the fillet carefully with
10x magnification or so... it should not be bulging, it should be concave.
--scott

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[JackA]

On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Alice D" wrote in message
> o.uk...
>
> Thanks guys i have the parts already and found a step by step tutorial and
> no it just gets stuck to the board
>
> no soldering
>
> i also saw an easy youtube video on how to dissemble its really
> straightforward.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Er, no desoldering or soldering a SMD tactile switch?
> Don't think so.
>
> Oh, I just found that tutorial too. Here it is:
>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repairing+Sennheiser+SK100+G3+button/17440
>
>
>
> Seems you just have to rip the old switch off the pads it is soldered to,
> without apparently ripping the solder pads off the PCB in the process.
> And then you stick the new switch on using sticky tape.
>
> Classic piece of Internet ****e.
>
>
> Good luck with that one.

But it is made in Germany!! Used to admire German made electronics, but I agree with you. Probably why my Sennheiser headphones failed me.

Now, if it were silver contacts, you might be successful at repairing without soldering. The nice thing about silver is, any oxide formation is still conductive. At least that's what a licensed electrical engineer (RIP) told me!!

Jack

>
>
>
> Gareth.

[geoff]

On 8/02/2015 12:31 p.m., wrote:
> Yes, in the pictures it seems the switch is Soldered to the pwb
> I would be surprised if you can just pull it off the pwb without
> A soldering iron
>
> But it doesnt look too hard for someone that is experienced with smt
> Soldering. I suggest you find such a person to assist.
> Mark
>


Agreed. I do this sort of thing every day, and even for me de-soldering
and soldering such things is quite a fraught activity.

It would certainly appear from the contacts on the side of the switch
that soldering is necessary.


geoff

[Klay Anderson[_2_]]

Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools. No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.

[Hagar the grout]

oh man

sorry i asked now lol

did you read the replies?

no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since

theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair the
receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost everything on
both pcb`s

so thats good enough for me

i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
sure

i dont use this for business or money and its a cosmetic repair as i can
still scroll one way but since i paid peanuts for both units why shouldnt i
have a go

duh!!

such snobbery gareth you get the prize for being the asshole of the thread

thanks to the polite members for their help and wisdom, its classic speak i
suppose for anyone in business ....next you`ll be telling me i should only
ever use the manufacturers batteries accessories etc ROTFLMFAO

thats the sentiment you portray..... internet snobbery at its worst.....

not sure which one of you is furthest up their own asp

over and out

aLiS D



"Klay Anderson" wrote in message
...

Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper
contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools.
No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 2/8/2015 11:41 PM, Hagar the grout wrote:
> no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since
>
> theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair
> the receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost
> everything on both pcb`s
>
> so thats good enough for me
>
> i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats
> for sure

Let us know how your repair came out, when you've completed and tested
it, and a year later.



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[Scott Dorsey]

Hagar the grout > wrote:
>oh man
>
>sorry i asked now lol
>
>did you read the replies?
>
>no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since

Well, try it. But if it becomes intermittent an some inopportune moment
don't say we didn't warn you.

>i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
>sure

Then learn how to solder! It is a useful skill that will help you enormously
in the long run, and it's not a hard skill to pick up. It just takes practice
and care.
--scott
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[Chuck[_10_]]

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 22:41:11 -0000, "Hagar the grout" >
wrote:

>oh man
>
>sorry i asked now lol
>
>did you read the replies?
>
>no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since
>
>theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair the
>receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost everything on
>both pcb`s
>
>so thats good enough for me
>
>i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
>sure
>
>i dont use this for business or money and its a cosmetic repair as i can
>still scroll one way but since i paid peanuts for both units why shouldnt i
>have a go
>
>duh!!
>
>such snobbery gareth you get the prize for being the asshole of the thread
>
>thanks to the polite members for their help and wisdom, its classic speak i
>suppose for anyone in business ....next you`ll be telling me i should only
>ever use the manufacturers batteries accessories etc ROTFLMFAO
>
>thats the sentiment you portray..... internet snobbery at its worst.....
>
>not sure which one of you is furthest up their own asp
>
>over and out
>
>aLiS D
>
>
>
>"Klay Anderson" wrote in message
...
>
>Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper
>contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools.
>No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.


I work on these. What I would suggest is using Chip Quick to remove
the switch without damaging the pads. Use solderwick to remove the
chipquick and use a small point conical soldering iron to solder the
new switch in place. If this looks too daunting, I'd take it to a
professional.

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[JackA]

On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "JackA" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 12:43:50 PM UTC-5, Alice D wrote:
> > anyone know how easy/difficult it is to fit one of these tiny membranes?
> >
> > http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/evolution-wireless/sk-g2-100-300-500-tx/surface-mount-tactile-switch-on-main-pcb.html
>
> How difficult it is to access is beyond my knowledge. But, to me, it looks
> like a surface mounted (an soldered) component, so it SHOULD be easy to
> replace.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> No it will not be easy at all.
>
> If the OP is not skilled in removing and replacing SMD components, the most
> likely scenario will be a written off PCB with no way of mounting the switch
> any more.
> If they were capable of such a repair they would not be asking this
> question.

True. Probably just a momentary switch. From the looks of the solder joints after prying off the defective one, the solder pads look unharmed, my guess, it may not have been soldered. Notice the contacts are recessed......
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/236893.html

Jack

>
>
>
> Gareth.

[JackA]

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 5:06:42 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 22:41:11 -0000, "Hagar the grout" >
> wrote:
>
> >oh man
> >
> >sorry i asked now lol
> >
> >did you read the replies?
> >
> >no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since
> >
> >theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair the
> >receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost everything on
> >both pcb`s
> >
> >so thats good enough for me
> >
> >i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
> >sure
> >
> >i dont use this for business or money and its a cosmetic repair as i can
> >still scroll one way but since i paid peanuts for both units why shouldnt i
> >have a go
> >
> >duh!!
> >
> >such snobbery gareth you get the prize for being the asshole of the thread
> >
> >thanks to the polite members for their help and wisdom, its classic speak i
> >suppose for anyone in business ....next you`ll be telling me i should only
> >ever use the manufacturers batteries accessories etc ROTFLMFAO
> >
> >thats the sentiment you portray..... internet snobbery at its worst.....
> >
> >not sure which one of you is furthest up their own asp
> >
> >over and out
> >
> >aLiS D
> >
> >
> >
> >"Klay Anderson" wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper
> >contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools.
> >No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.
>
>
> I work on these. What I would suggest is using Chip Quick to remove
> the switch without damaging the pads. Use solderwick to remove the
> chipquick and use a small point conical soldering iron to solder the
> new switch in place. If this looks too daunting, I'd take it to a
> professional.

Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my conclusion that it wasn't soldered.

Jack
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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 2/10/2015 12:28 AM, JackA wrote:
> If it pried off that easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces,
> I've drawn my conclusion that it wasn't soldered.

Maybe the reason why the switch failed is because it was supposed to be
soldered, but wasn't.

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[JackA]

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 7:55:30 PM UTC-5, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 2/10/2015 12:28 AM, JackA wrote:
> > If it pried off that easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces,
> > I've drawn my conclusion that it wasn't soldered.
>
> Maybe the reason why the switch failed is because it was supposed to be
> soldered, but wasn't.

Even General Electric made the mistake of using those membrane type switches on their clothes dryers and had premature failure and would quickly send you a total PC board replacement! Now you know why they sold off their appliance division! :-)

I really can't see how it could be [easily] soldered, the contacts are recessed on the switch.

Jack

>
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[[email protected]]

No one said it was easy
In fact we said the opposite
Mark

[JackA]

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> No one said it was easy
> In fact we said the opposite
> Mark

What I TRIED to say, not easily soldered during manufacturing. The contacts appear recessed, and for a surface mounted component, hoping the automated soldering would bridge the gap, is a candidate for failure.

Jack

[hank alrich]

JackA > wrote:

> Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made of. One
>MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that easy, with no
>harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my conclusion that it
>wasn't soldered.
>

Have you considered just shutting the **** up when you really don't know
the the hell you're talking about? It's a concept we enjoy here. You are
replying to someone who has done this repair. Your mouth seems much
larger than your brain.

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[geoff]

On 10/02/2015 12:28 p.m., JackA wrote:

>
> Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made
> of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that
> easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my
> conclusion that it wasn't soldered.

Oh ****. Now you're an electronics expert too.

It is a coomon-or-garden surface-mounted tactile switch. It has solder
contacts. It needs to be soldered in place. It's not rocket-surgery.


geoff

[Chuck[_10_]]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:28:22 -0800 (PST), JackA >
wrote:

>On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 5:06:42 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 22:41:11 -0000, "Hagar the grout" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >oh man
>> >
>> >sorry i asked now lol
>> >
>> >did you read the replies?
>> >
>> >no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since
>> >
>> >theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair the
>> >receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost everything on
>> >both pcb`s
>> >
>> >so thats good enough for me
>> >
>> >i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
>> >sure
>> >
>> >i dont use this for business or money and its a cosmetic repair as i can
>> >still scroll one way but since i paid peanuts for both units why shouldnt i
>> >have a go
>> >
>> >duh!!
>> >
>> >such snobbery gareth you get the prize for being the asshole of the thread
>> >
>> >thanks to the polite members for their help and wisdom, its classic speak i
>> >suppose for anyone in business ....next you`ll be telling me i should only
>> >ever use the manufacturers batteries accessories etc ROTFLMFAO
>> >
>> >thats the sentiment you portray..... internet snobbery at its worst.....
>> >
>> >not sure which one of you is furthest up their own asp
>> >
>> >over and out
>> >
>> >aLiS D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Klay Anderson" wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper
>> >contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools.
>> >No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.
>>
>>
>> I work on these. What I would suggest is using Chip Quick to remove
>> the switch without damaging the pads. Use solderwick to remove the
>> chipquick and use a small point conical soldering iron to solder the
>> new switch in place. If this looks too daunting, I'd take it to a
>> professional.
>
>Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my conclusion that it wasn't soldered.
>
>Jack
>>
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Well the difference between you and me is that I've been a
professional in the electronics and IT industry since 1971 and the
university I work for has many of this particular wireless microphone
in service so I might know a tad more about them than you.

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[JackA]

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 3:44:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 10/02/2015 12:28 p.m., JackA wrote:
>
> >
> > Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made
> > of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that
> > easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my
> > conclusion that it wasn't soldered.
>
> Oh ****. Now you're an electronics expert too.

Actually, look up Walter Jung. From (one of his) his Op-Amp book, I made his HQ phono cartridge preamp, designed (CAD) and etched the PC boards!!

Have done computer programming, too!

Jack
>
> It is a coomon-or-garden surface-mounted tactile switch. It has solder
> contacts. It needs to be soldered in place. It's not rocket-surgery.
>
>
> geoff

[JackA]

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:22:35 AM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:28:22 -0800 (PST), JackA >
> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 5:06:42 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 22:41:11 -0000, "Hagar the grout" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >oh man
> >> >
> >> >sorry i asked now lol
> >> >
> >> >did you read the replies?
> >> >
> >> >no one else soldered and one person had been using it a year since
> >> >
> >> >theres also an australian guy on you tube who shows you how to repair the
> >> >receiver using much the same method and he identifies almost everything on
> >> >both pcb`s
> >> >
> >> >so thats good enough for me
> >> >
> >> >i aint paying 240 quid for someone to stick a 74p part on a board thats for
> >> >sure
> >> >
> >> >i dont use this for business or money and its a cosmetic repair as i can
> >> >still scroll one way but since i paid peanuts for both units why shouldnt i
> >> >have a go
> >> >
> >> >duh!!
> >> >
> >> >such snobbery gareth you get the prize for being the asshole of the thread
> >> >
> >> >thanks to the polite members for their help and wisdom, its classic speak i
> >> >suppose for anyone in business ....next you`ll be telling me i should only
> >> >ever use the manufacturers batteries accessories etc ROTFLMFAO
> >> >
> >> >thats the sentiment you portray..... internet snobbery at its worst.....
> >> >
> >> >not sure which one of you is furthest up their own asp
> >> >
> >> >over and out
> >> >
> >> >aLiS D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Klay Anderson" wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> >Yes it's soldered in and yes it needs to be oriented correctly for proper
> >> >contact closure. Easy to do IF you have SMD experience and the RIGHT tools.
> >> >No you cannot fix it with sticky tape.
> >>
> >>
> >> I work on these. What I would suggest is using Chip Quick to remove
> >> the switch without damaging the pads. Use solderwick to remove the
> >> chipquick and use a small point conical soldering iron to solder the
> >> new switch in place. If this looks too daunting, I'd take it to a
> >> professional.
> >
> >Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my conclusion that it wasn't soldered.
> >
> >Jack
> >>
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> Well the difference between you and me is that I've been a
> professional in the electronics and IT industry since 1971 and the
> university I work for has many of this particular wireless microphone
> in service so I might know a tad more about them than you.

You have no idea who I am, but you're quick on the trigger to judge.
Welcome to usenet.

Jack
>
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[hank alrich]

JackA > wrote:

> You have no idea who I am, but you're quick on the trigger to judge.
> Welcome to usenet.

You are rather easily judged by your behavior and your posts here. You
got a head full of **** and it keeps running out your mouth.

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[John Williamson]

On 10/02/2015 17:24, JackA wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 3:44:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/02/2015 12:28 p.m., JackA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thing is, Chuck, we have no idea what material switch case is made
>>> of. One MAY destroy the switch by soldering. If it pried off that
>>> easy, with no harm whatsoever to the PCB traces, I've drawn my
>>> conclusion that it wasn't soldered.
>>
>> Oh ****. Now you're an electronics expert too.
>
> Actually, look up Walter Jung. From (one of his) his Op-Amp book, I made his HQ phono cartridge preamp, designed (CAD) and etched the PC boards!!
>
> Have done computer programming, too!
>
That ain't no big thang....

I'd done all that while I was still at school in the 1960s. I also
designed stuff, and so did everyone else in my class. One lad even
designed a noughts and crosses game computer using TTL logic that was
guaranteed never to lose a game unless you cheated.

While I was in college in the early 1970s, I built a calculator from a
chipset and a circuit diagram, as well as a complete portable disco
unit. However, I won't even try to touch SMCs on 0.05 in track pitch
boards without spending real money on a workstation. I know my limits.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Trevor]

On 11/02/2015 6:17 AM, JackA wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:22:35 AM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
>> Well the difference between you and me is that I've been a
>> professional in the electronics and IT industry since 1971 and the
>> university I work for has many of this particular wireless microphone
>> in service so I might know a tad more about them than you.
>
> You have no idea who I am, but you're quick on the trigger to judge.
> Welcome to usenet.

Nobody cares who you are on usenet, we judge you by what you post. You
have already proven you know less about it than Chuck, so get over it.

Trevor.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-5, Trevor wrote:
> On 11/02/2015 6:17 AM, JackA wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:22:35 AM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> >> Well the difference between you and me is that I've been a
> >> professional in the electronics and IT industry since 1971 and the
> >> university I work for has many of this particular wireless microphone
> >> in service so I might know a tad more about them than you.
> >
> > You have no idea who I am, but you're quick on the trigger to judge.
> > Welcome to usenet.
>
> Nobody cares who you are on usenet, we judge you by what you post. You
> have already proven you know less about it than Chuck, so get over it.

Usenet is and always will be a power struggle, who knows more than the next..
Just look at the comment the original poster made, poor guy(gal), EVERYONE who NEVER replaced one of these switches claimed it HAD TO BE SOLDERED. Just like a group of mockingbirds [just like the "warm" sound of vinyl]. You drive people away from usenet; that's a fact, sir.

IT people never have and probably never will impress me.

Thanks!

Jack
>
> Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/02/2015 10:30 AM, JackA wrote:
> IT people never have and probably never will impress me.

Doesn't appear you are impressing anyone here either! :-)

Trevor.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:51:13 PM UTC-5, Trevor wrote:
> On 11/02/2015 10:30 AM, JackA wrote:
> > IT people never have and probably never will impress me.
>
> Doesn't appear you are impressing anyone here either! :-)
>
> Trevor.

You 'Aussie people are slowly getting on my nerves!!

Behave or it's Port Arthur for you!!!

Jack :-)

[Trevor]

On 11/02/2015 11:30 AM, JackA wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:51:13 PM UTC-5, Trevor wrote:
>> On 11/02/2015 10:30 AM, JackA wrote:
>>> IT people never have and probably never will impress me.
>>
>> Doesn't appear you are impressing anyone here either! :-)
>
> You 'Aussie people are slowly getting on my nerves!!


Now you know how other feel about you then.

> Behave or it's Port Arthur for you!!!

Nice little tourist area these days. :-)

Trevor.

[geoff]

On 11/02/2015 12:30 p.m., JackA wrote:

>
> Usenet is and always will be a power struggle, who knows more than
> the next.

Certainly a struggle for JackAss

Just look at the comment the original poster made, poor
> guy(gal), EVERYONE who NEVER replaced one of these switches claimed
> it HAD TO BE SOLDERED.

Which just happens to be correct, as confirmed by somebody who regularly
services this exact model.

geoff

[hank alrich]

JackA > wrote:

> IT people never have and probably never will impress me.

Probably because you can't operate a proper newsreader. IT **** is way
the **** over your skull.

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[geoff]

On 11/02/2015 5:45 p.m., Frank Stearns wrote:

> Oh, ah, relationship to audio in this post... in our current government there's a
> whole lotta noise and very little usable signal.

First incumbancy(?) for a decade there has been any signal that the rest
of the world respects.


geoff

[Trevor]

On 12/02/2015 4:04 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:29:14 +0000, John Williamson
> > wrote:
>> On 11/02/2015 13:22, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> I thought "McDonald" was Scottish?
>>>
>> It's not an unbroken rule, but MacDonald with an "a" (Or any other Mac$
>> surname) is normally Scottish, while McDonald without the "a" (Or any
>> other Mc$ surname) is normally Irish, or at least they were a few
>> generations back. The problem is that there has been so much
>> intermingling and movement in both directions that it's now only a rough
>> guide.
>
> Mac and Mc mean "son of" in all versions of Gaelic.


Better not get started on comparing Scottish and Irish Whisky/Whiskey
then. :-)

Trevor.

[None]

"Frank Stearns" > wrote in message
...
<regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda>

[hank alrich]

None > wrote:

> "Frank Stearns" > wrote in message
> ...
> <regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda>

√

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[Matt Faunce]

On 2/12/15 12:53 PM, None wrote:
> "Frank Stearns" > wrote in message
> ...
> <regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda>

I've always thought Frank's input was solid gold. Watching him go off on
politics here was like watching a Ferrari drive off the pavement to go
off-roading.

--
Matt

[hank alrich]

Matt Faunce > wrote:

> On 2/12/15 12:53 PM, None wrote:
> > "Frank Stearns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda>
>
> I've always thought Frank's input was solid gold. Watching him go off on
> politics here was like watching a Ferrari drive off the pavement to go
> off-roading.

√

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[Frank Stearns]

(hank alrich) writes:

>None > wrote:

>> "Frank Stearns" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda>

>√

Hey, Hank -

For general security purposes, I use a news reader that only supports 7 bit
characters. Your reply came across as a 10 character (or so) control string of some
sort -- what were you attempting to post?

"Debunked propoganda" from "None"? Not sure what that means; my statements have been
from first-hand observation and the changing experience of buying my own medical
insurance since age 19 (which goes back many decades to the indemnity policy days --
long before HMOs, PPOs, and irritating networks).

There are additional observations of what happened to the market place (and costs)
when WA State did its own mini 0-care in the mid 1990s. Up until Utah (my new home
for 2 years now) underwent 0-care, their once robust marketplace cut premiums for
the same policy from the same company by nearly half.

One side note to Trevor - the US had 100% coverage pre 0-care, but most agreed that
delivery via the ER to those on the margin was a terrible way to help them. The
"solution" to that, however, has been unfortunate. The worst is yet to come. Check
out what 0-Care architect Jonathan Gruber proudly said about it.

If interest remains, happy to continue this outside the NG.

Frank

--

[Scott Dorsey]

Frank Stearns > wrote:
>
>One side note to Trevor - the US had 100% coverage pre 0-care, but most agreed that
>delivery via the ER to those on the margin was a terrible way to help them. The
>"solution" to that, however, has been unfortunate. The worst is yet to come. Check
>out what 0-Care architect Jonathan Gruber proudly said about it.

Once upon a time, after being injured on set, I was taken to a hospital
emergency room where I was told my insurance was no good and I could
not be treated there. I was bundled up and sent off to the poor people's
hospital (Grady Memorial) to get sutured. I later wound up with a major
postoperative infection and wound up losing a finger. (The infection was
probably made worse by the doctor's refusing to take my phone calls and
his receptionist insisting I wait before coming in.)

Experiences like this tend to sour me on the health care system in this
country, and make me very, very skeptical when people say that we have
100% coverage.

In Canada you get the care you can afford to wait for, in the US you get
the care you can afford to pay for.
--scott

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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 14 Feb 2015 02:59:41 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Frank Stearns > wrote:
>>
>>One side note to Trevor - the US had 100% coverage pre 0-care, but most agreed that
>>delivery via the ER to those on the margin was a terrible way to help them. The
>>"solution" to that, however, has been unfortunate. The worst is yet to come. Check
>>out what 0-Care architect Jonathan Gruber proudly said about it.
>
>Once upon a time, after being injured on set, I was taken to a hospital
>emergency room where I was told my insurance was no good and I could
>not be treated there. I was bundled up and sent off to the poor people's
>hospital (Grady Memorial) to get sutured. I later wound up with a major
>postoperative infection and wound up losing a finger. (The infection was
>probably made worse by the doctor's refusing to take my phone calls and
>his receptionist insisting I wait before coming in.)
>
>Experiences like this tend to sour me on the health care system in this
>country, and make me very, very skeptical when people say that we have
>100% coverage.
>
>In Canada you get the care you can afford to wait for, in the US you get
>the care you can afford to pay for.
>--scott

In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).

I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
the National Health System.

Does this make us a bunch of commies?

d

[Frank Stearns]

(Scott Dorsey) writes:

>Frank Stearns > wrote:
>>
>>One side note to Trevor - the US had 100% coverage pre 0-care, but most agreed that
>>delivery via the ER to those on the margin was a terrible way to help them. The
>>"solution" to that, however, has been unfortunate. The worst is yet to come. Check
>>out what 0-Care architect Jonathan Gruber proudly said about it.

>Once upon a time, after being injured on set, I was taken to a hospital
>emergency room where I was told my insurance was no good and I could
>not be treated there. I was bundled up and sent off to the poor people's
>hospital (Grady Memorial) to get sutured. I later wound up with a major
>postoperative infection and wound up losing a finger. (The infection was
>probably made worse by the doctor's refusing to take my phone calls and
>his receptionist insisting I wait before coming in.)

>Experiences like this tend to sour me on the health care system in this
>country, and make me very, very skeptical when people say that we have
>100% coverage.

>In Canada you get the care you can afford to wait for, in the US you get
>the care you can afford to pay for.

Scott, that's a horrid experience and I would think be grounds for legal action.

But stupid failures like that are not unique to any health care system. My brother,
who lived under German government healthcare for 20 years, nearly lost an eye in
Germany due to incompentance and endless delays imposed by the system.

In year 14 of his residency as a German tax payer, the system delayed his access to
an eye specialist for two years. When bro finally got that appointment, the
specialist was furious and cursed the system he worked under. If bro had been seen
in a timely manner, much suffering could have been prevented as well as saving the
system some 10,000 Euros in all the worthless repeat visits to the GP. (Turned out
to be a fluke accident where six microscopic metal pieces had blown into his eye
years earlier.)

So who was making these decisions to treat/not treat? Non-medical faceless
bureaucrats within the German system. Now, you had and still have something like
that with insurance bureaucrats here, but generally there were ways around them if
you (or someone for you) could push. And now you've layered on more mountain-high
layers of government regulation.

But now, with 0-care, and the real underlying intent to implode private insurance
and create a single payer system, there will be no appeal, no higher authority, in
these situations.

There are elements of single payer that are good, but on the whole not so much as
many others will tell you who have lived under them. Lots of negative anecdotes,
sorry to say. (And hence, all the folks from around the world coming to the USA
pre-0care for treatment. Many non-residents from Canada and elsewhere could be found
in Seattle and Spokane, WA, waiting rooms.) But that's a lonnnng discussion not
readily accommodated here.

Perhaps my single biggest problem with 0care has been the breathtaking dishonesty:
"You can keep your policy if you like it", "you'll save on average $2500", et al.

And Pelosi's famous statement, "We have to pass to legislation to know what's in
it." Come again? Can't you people read? (I did read through some of the Affordable
Care Act; it was unbelievable in its attempt to obfuscate EVERYTHING.)

Watch the Gruber clips. Chilling. Talk to front-line enrollment agents. SP is
coming, and it's going to be a messy transition that makes the previous 0-care
start-up mess look like a pleasant walk in the park.

Frank
--

[hank alrich]

Neil Gould > wrote:

> The Affordable Care Act
> does nothing to change the fundamental structure, so it can not lead to a
> single payer -- i.e. nationalized -- health care process.

"The fundamental structure" spent a lot of money making sure the ACA did
not alter its control of the system.

Single payer. We'll either get that done, or remain hostages of the
medical-insurance industrial complex.

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[Neil Gould]

hank alrich wrote:
> Neil Gould > wrote:
>
>> The Affordable Care Act
>> does nothing to change the fundamental structure, so it can not lead
>> to a single payer -- i.e. nationalized -- health care process.
>
> "The fundamental structure" spent a lot of money making sure the ACA
> did not alter its control of the system.
>
> Single payer. We'll either get that done, or remain hostages of the
> medical-insurance industrial complex.
>
We don't seem to be on a path to that end, at least not by deliberate
efforts on the part of any current politicians. The collapse of some
"payers" in portions of the country with the result that only one "payer" is
left doesn't qualify, it just creates more "too big to fail" entities.
Apparently, some politicians think that's a good idea.

--
best regards,

Neil

[Trevor]

On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
> In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
> are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
> the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
> emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
> be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
> lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).
>
> I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
> private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
> surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
> joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
> the National Health System.
>
> Does this make us a bunch of commies?

No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good"
capitalist countries.

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
> On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
>> In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
>> are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
>> the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
>> emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
>> be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
>> lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).
>>
>> I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
>> private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
>> surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
>> joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
>> the National Health System.
>>
>> Does this make us a bunch of commies?
>
> No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good"
> capitalist countries.
>
> Trevor.
>
>

It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of
history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history?

I wouldn't defend either system on merit for any sort of bet.

--
Les Cargill

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:05:12 -0600, Les Cargill
> wrote:

>Trevor wrote:
>> On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
>>> In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
>>> are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
>>> the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
>>> emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
>>> be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
>>> lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).
>>>
>>> I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
>>> private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
>>> surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
>>> joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
>>> the National Health System.
>>>
>>> Does this make us a bunch of commies?
>>
>> No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good"
>> capitalist countries.
>>
>> Trevor.
>>
>>
>
>It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of
>history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history?
>
>I wouldn't defend either system on merit for any sort of bet.

Why do you call it an accident? The creation of the National Health
Service was certainly no accident.

And can you explain further your second para? I don't understand that
at all.

d

[Trevor]

On 16/02/2015 4:55 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:05:12 -0600, Les Cargill
> > wrote:
>> Trevor wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
>>>> In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
>>>> are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
>>>> the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
>>>> emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
>>>> be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
>>>> lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).
>>>>
>>>> I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
>>>> private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
>>>> surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
>>>> joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
>>>> the National Health System.
>>>>
>>>> Does this make us a bunch of commies?
>>>
>>> No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good"
>>> capitalist countries.
>>>
>>
>> It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of
>> history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history?
>
> Why do you call it an accident? The creation of the National Health
> Service was certainly no accident.

Right, in so called democratic countries, people vote for the parties
that either give them services or take them away. Provide services to
all or only a few. And either tax the rich or tax the poor to pay for
them. It is pretty clear which is simply greed and self interest, even
if the greedy don't like to admit it!

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

(Don Pearce) wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:05:12 -0600, Les Cargill
> > wrote:
>
>> Trevor wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
>>>> In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions
>>>> are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost
>>>> the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and
>>>> emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to
>>>> be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that
>>>> lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy).
>>>>
>>>> I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for
>>>> private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective
>>>> surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than
>>>> joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to
>>>> the National Health System.
>>>>
>>>> Does this make us a bunch of commies?
>>>
>>> No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good"
>>> capitalist countries.
>>>
>>> Trevor.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of
>> history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history?
>>
>> I wouldn't defend either system on merit for any sort of bet.
>
> Why do you call it an accident? The creation of the National Health
> Service was certainly no accident.
>

There were two events that conspired to separate how payment for medical
care happened in the US and the UK.


The understanding I have is:
The formation of the NHS would simply not have been possible at any
time other in British history because it's a big step. That was
simply easier in the dishevelment post WWII. While not exactly an
accident, it owes much to circumstance. You also had a big
Labor push after the vote of no confidence against Churchill .

To be fair, there was much more prior consideration of public health
care before the actual formation of the NHS in Britain. There was
the Lloyd George 1911 law, other things. That's more or less
from the general Fabian Socialist tradition.

In the US, Truman ensconced payment for health insurance in pretax
dollars instead of wage increases, because the US was in one of its
harebrained "wage and price control" fits. This is particularly
ludicrous because the pattern post-War is almost certainly
*de*flationary.

> And can you explain further your second para? I don't understand that
> at all.
>

The NHS seems to an active source of debate and tweaking.

Health care stubbornly resists classification as either a public or
private good. The French nationalized health care worker education,
which is probably better.

Percent GDP on healthcare in Britain is about 10%. It's some higher in
the US - 18ish percent. But per capita income is (was, anyway ) higher
in the US, and many other cost of living items are much lower here
outside of the really large cities.

And Romneycare on the national level seems to have reduced the rate of
increase of cost. This is fairly vital for the U.S.; Medicare looms
large over our aging population.

There probably is no good system. But at times, the French tradition
of medicine as primarily a public, scientific enterprise seems to make
more sense. I am sure it has troubles, too.

> d
>

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

Les Cargill > wrote:

> There probably is no good system. But at times, the French tradition
> of medicine as primarily a public, scientific enterprise seems to make
> more sense. I am sure it has troubles, too.

An elderly woman I know visiting Paris fell down some stone steps and
brtoke her arm. She was treated at a hospital, very well in her view,
and sent on her way without being billed anything. She is a US citizen.

Seems quite civilized.

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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:35:54 -0600, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Les Cargill > wrote:
>
>> There probably is no good system. But at times, the French tradition
>> of medicine as primarily a public, scientific enterprise seems to make
>> more sense. I am sure it has troubles, too.
>
>An elderly woman I know visiting Paris fell down some stone steps and
>brtoke her arm. She was treated at a hospital, very well in her view,
>and sent on her way without being billed anything. She is a US citizen.
>
>Seems quite civilized.

She would receive the same treatment here in England. You are right -
it really is civilized.

d

[Chuck[_10_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:48:12 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:35:54 -0600, (hank alrich)
>wrote:
>
>>Les Cargill > wrote:
>>
>>> There probably is no good system. But at times, the French tradition
>>> of medicine as primarily a public, scientific enterprise seems to make
>>> more sense. I am sure it has troubles, too.
>>
>>An elderly woman I know visiting Paris fell down some stone steps and
>>brtoke her arm. She was treated at a hospital, very well in her view,
>>and sent on her way without being billed anything. She is a US citizen.
>>
>>Seems quite civilized.
>
>She would receive the same treatment here in England. You are right -
>it really is civilized.
>
>d
I knew a guy back in the 80s who stepped into traffic on the bridge
in central Inverness. (He forgot for a moment the direction of
traffic flow in the U.K..) He was a mass of broken bones and it was a
miracle he survived. He didn't pay a cent for the months of health
care he received. Imagine what it would have cost if it was a Brit in
the U.S.

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[geoff]

On 18/02/2015 2:09 p.m., Chuck wrote:

> I knew a guy back in the 80s who stepped into traffic on the bridge
> in central Inverness. (He forgot for a moment the direction of
> traffic flow in the U.K..) He was a mass of broken bones and it was a
> miracle he survived. He didn't pay a cent for the months of health
> care he received. Imagine what it would have cost if it was a Brit in
> the U.S.


.... and he'd have been sued by the vehicle(s) that hit him.

geoff