Buying "beats"

[Nil[_2_]]

I know I'm hopelessly out out of the "loop", so to speak, but what's up
with the practice of selling "beats". I see lots of ads on craigslist
like this one:

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/muc/4823089987.html

Is this really how hip hop and such musics are made, somebody buys pre-
made rhythm tracks from unknown parties and then... what exactly? Rap
over the top of it? Does the "beatmaker" get composing credit?

I don't quite get it. I can't get away from the idea that the music,
melody, and lyrics should be integrated somehow, not bolted together
from parts bought from a store.

Or am I mis-imagining the process?

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 1/1/2015 12:27 AM, Nil wrote:
> Is this really how hip hop and such musics are made, somebody buys pre-
> made rhythm tracks from unknown parties and then... what exactly? Rap
> over the top of it?

Yup

> Does the "beatmaker" get composing credit?

Depends on the deal. Ask your lawyer if you're planning to sell a song
using a track created by someone else. Or just listen to a few, and make
'em yourself.


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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Nil wrote:
> I know I'm hopelessly out out of the "loop", so to speak, but what's up
> with the practice of selling "beats". I see lots of ads on craigslist
> like this one:
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/muc/4823089987.html
>
> Is this really how hip hop and such musics are made, somebody buys pre-
> made rhythm tracks from unknown parties and then... what exactly? Rap
> over the top of it? Does the "beatmaker" get composing credit?
>
> I don't quite get it. I can't get away from the idea that the music,
> melody, and lyrics should be integrated somehow, not bolted together
> from parts bought from a store.
>
> Or am I mis-imagining the process?
>

It's Craigspam, Jake. Er, Nil.

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[Nil[_2_]]

On 31 Dec 2014, Mike Rivers > wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> On 1/1/2015 12:27 AM, Nil wrote:
>> Is this really how hip hop and such musics are made, somebody
>> buys pre- made rhythm tracks from unknown parties and then...
>> what exactly? Rap over the top of it?
>
> Yup
>
>> Does the "beatmaker" get composing credit?
>
> Depends on the deal. Ask your lawyer if you're planning to sell a
> song using a track created by someone else. Or just listen to a
> few, and make 'em yourself.

Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
mentality, because it's a genre that I didn't grow up with, isn't
marketed with me in mind, and I don't understand or relate to it. But
it seems to me that this process doesn't result in "music" as I think
of it, even though it has musical elements. It's something else, but I
don't quite know what.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 1/1/2015 2:03 AM, Nil wrote:
> Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
> mentality, because it's a genre that I didn't grow up with, isn't
> marketed with me in mind, and I don't understand or relate to it. But
> it seems to me that this process doesn't result in "music" as I think
> of it, even though it has musical elements. It's something else, but I
> don't quite know what.

Don't strain yourself. You don't have to like everything that someone
calls (or sells as) music.

You can think of it as poetry with background music, and the "beat" is
the background music. Or you can just let those who listen to it or
create it do their thing. For the record, I don't get anything from it
either, but I don't let it bother me. If someone came to me with a rap
lyric and asked me to write and record a beat for him, I'd tell him he
was asking the wrong person. Not all recording engineers are created
equally.

But if he brought me a beat and wanted me to record his voice over it, I
might have a little fun with that. But I'm sure someone who knows the
genre could to a more creative job.


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[PStamler]

What you're seeing, Nil, is the place where hip-hop intersects folk music, or the folk process. I think the guys selling beats aren't anticipating nationwide sales, but are selling the beats to neighborhood rappers -- amateurs, in other words, practicing a folk art.

Peace,
Paul

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 1/1/2015 6:06 AM, PStamler wrote:
> What you're seeing, Nil, is the place where hip-hop intersects folk
> music, or the folk process. I think the guys selling beats aren't
> anticipating nationwide sales, but are selling the beats to
> neighborhood rappers -- amateurs, in other words, practicing a folk
> art.

But these days it's hard to tell the neighborhood rappers that they
shouldn't anticipate nationwide sales, or at least nationwide
distribution. Buy a $10 beat on line and after a few million views on
YouTube, that beat could have made the composer a lot of money, but won't.

Remember that there's no exemption from copyright law simply because you
aren't collecting money through the use of someone else's creation.



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[Tom McCreadie]

Mike Rivers wrote:

>On 1/1/2015 2:03 AM, Nil wrote:
>> Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
>> mentality, because it's a genre that I didn't grow up with, isn't
>> marketed with me in mind, and I don't understand or relate to it.
>
>You can think of it as poetry with background music, and the "beat" is
>the background music.

Alas, by the need to 'keep up with the beat', that species of poetry is
invariably facile, simplistic, rhyming dictionary claptrap...a far cry from the
poetry that Kingsley Ames (I believe) once defined as "heart-rending sense".

Ach, my New Year's resolution for 2015 is to lighten up :-)

[Scott Dorsey]

On 1/1/2015 2:03 AM, Nil wrote:
> Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
> mentality, because it's a genre that I didn't grow up with, isn't
> marketed with me in mind, and I don't understand or relate to it. But
> it seems to me that this process doesn't result in "music" as I think
> of it, even though it has musical elements. It's something else, but I
> don't quite know what.

There are two things you're seeing here: first of all the lack of melody
and secondly the fact that it's built in loops and samples like Musique
Concrete.

I don't think the two are necessarily related, they just seem to have
happened at the same place and the same time.
--scott


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[Frank Stearns]

Nil > writes:

>On 31 Dec 2014, Mike Rivers > wrote in
>rec.audio.pro:

>> On 1/1/2015 12:27 AM, Nil wrote:
>>> Is this really how hip hop and such musics are made, somebody
>>> buys pre- made rhythm tracks from unknown parties and then...
>>> what exactly? Rap over the top of it?
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> Does the "beatmaker" get composing credit?
>>
>> Depends on the deal. Ask your lawyer if you're planning to sell a
>> song using a track created by someone else. Or just listen to a
>> few, and make 'em yourself.

>Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
>mentality, because it's a genre that I didn't grow up with, isn't
>marketed with me in mind, and I don't understand or relate to it. But
>it seems to me that this process doesn't result in "music" as I think
>of it, even though it has musical elements. It's something else, but I
>don't quite know what.

It's one facet of what I (and others) have called "manufactured music".

Only now the "assembly line" isn't some inartistic A&R sot from the record company
barking grotesque orders over a talkback to equally clueless "artists", anyone who
fancies themselves a mechanic -- er, musician -- can grab blisterpack parts off the
rack and throw something together.

The likely result is simply a contribution to the noise with very little (if any)
signal. (Though we do remain ever hopeful.)

The silver lining of a future CME or EMP event is that a lot of this stuff will
vanish. Hell, even the careless way many in this camp "manage" their I.T. helps
filter it.

Frank

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If you listen carefully to Kid Rock "All Summer Long" you can clearly hear the opening drum solo best from Billie Jean(M. Jackson) chopped up to fit the bars of the more recent song.

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Mike Rivers wrote: "I've never heard either of those two songs so I wouldn't have a clue, nor would I care where "the music" from a Kid Rock song came from. "

Well as far as the first part of your response is concerned, yes, I'm fairly certain that's where that beat came from - my analysis being from listening on actual quality headphones and speakers - not cheapo ear buds.

Per the above quote: Allow me to introduce myself(and by extension YOU - to what the rest of us listen to): I'm a musical 99-percenter. I listen to stuff that the vast majority of ordinary people, from 9 to 99 years old, listen to, in their homes, cars, in concert, or on a plane or train ride to somewhere.

That would include Bing Crosby, Joe Cocker, Marvin Gaye, the Beatles, Bee Gees(as soloists or together), Zeppelin, Cold Play, Diana Ross, Bruno Mars, Mozart, Flo-Rida, and even Tony Orlando & Dawn.

So my ears have become suitably trained in the detection of samples lifted by one generation of pop/rock star from another, thank you very much and Happy New Year.

[geoff]

On 1/01/2015 2:49 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 1/1/2015 2:03 AM, Nil wrote:
>> Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
>> mentality,

> You can think of it as poetry with background music, and the "beat" is
> the background music.

..... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions)
brings to mind the "crap poetry" kneejerk reaction ;-)

geoff

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geoff wrote: ".... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions) "

There is meaning to all forms/genres of musical expression. I never let style get in the way of the message if that message is positive and uplifting.

[hank alrich]

geoff > wrote:

> On 1/01/2015 2:49 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
> > On 1/1/2015 2:03 AM, Nil wrote:
> >> Hmmm... I feel a disconnect. I try to avoid the "rap is crap" kneejerk
> >> mentality,
>
> > You can think of it as poetry with background music, and the "beat" is
> > the background music.
>
> .... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions)
> brings to mind the "crap poetry" kneejerk reaction ;-)
>
> geoff

I like to get 'em at the local farmer's market, where they are fresh and
down to earth!

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[geoff]

On 2/01/2015 3:01 p.m., wrote:
> geoff wrote: ".... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions) "
>
> There is meaning to all forms/genres of musical expression. I never let style get in the way of the message if that message is positive and uplifting.
>


Excatly. Killing Motherf**ing bitches and hoes, random violence, crime
(etc etc) I don't find a very uplifting meaning. And appears to me to
be prevalent in the genre.

Of course I could be wrong.

But there is plenty of stuff that is likely to appeal to me that I have
yet to audition .....

geoff

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geoff wrote: "Of course I could be wrong. "

Wise words my friend, wise words. ;)

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> geoff wrote: ".... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions) "
>
> There is meaning to all forms/genres of musical expression. I never let
> style get in the way of the message if that message is positive and uplifting.

If that's the case ("message is positive and uplifting"), then rap may not
be the musical genre for you.

[Jonathan[_5_]]

On Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:50:42 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 2/01/2015 3:01 p.m., wrote:
> > geoff wrote: ".... most of which that I have ever heard (with occasional exceptions) "
> >
> > There is meaning to all forms/genres of musical expression. I never let style get in the way of the message if that message is positive and uplifting.
> >
>
>
> Excatly. Killing Motherf**ing bitches and hoes, random violence, crime
> (etc etc) I don't find a very uplifting meaning. And appears to me to
> be prevalent in the genre.
>
> Of course I could be wrong.
>
> But there is plenty of stuff that is likely to appeal to me that I have
> yet to audition .....
>
> geoff

When it comes to defining art, there is no accounting for taste.
Being a public commuter, however, I am hugely appreciative that those silly "Beats" headphones are becoming so popular. They keep the sound in a hell of a lot better than earbuds.

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Ralph Barone, geoff:

There is rap with positive lyrics out there, but I won't spoon feed it to you. Open your minds and look for it.

As for Beats headphones, one advantage of their being closed back is they keep their innaccurate sound quality in(!)

[Tobiah]

On 01/01/2015 10:30 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 1/1/2015 7:18 PM, wrote:
>> If you listen carefully to Kid Rock "All Summer Long" you can
>> clearly hear the opening drum solo best from Billie Jean(M.
>> Jackson) chopped up to fit the bars of the more recent song.
>
> I've never heard either of those two songs so I wouldn't have a clue,
> nor would I care where "the music" from a Kid Rock song came from.

Living as long as you have, while avoiding hearing Billie Jean would
be an impressive accomplishment. I'd have to guess that you are mistaken!

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Tobiah wrote: "Living as long as you have, while avoiding hearing Billie Jean would
be an impressive accomplishment. I'd have to guess that you are mistaken! "


This portion of the John Birch Society reunion thread is sponsored by..... !

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Jeff Henig:

I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 1/2/2015 7:30 PM, Tobiah wrote:
> Living as long as you have, while avoiding hearing Billie Jean would
> be an impressive accomplishment. I'd have to guess that you are mistaken!

Well, how about that I'm not conscious of hearing it. Will that do?

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

wrote:
> Jeff Henig:
>
> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.
>

I doubt it's actually racist. People run into what they run into; if
you don't speak the language, it's gonna take effort to learn it, and
people may or may not spend the time. And given the estimated
average age of r.a.p posters, we may mostly be people who were not
of an age to appreciate rap in an organic fashion.

My kids got me to listen to Eminem - so no real racism, right? I thought
it was clever but I don't agree with the format much. It also
seemed a little too self-absorbed. He's very good at that, but I'm
just not looking for that.

Since part of the reason that sort of thing is on the market is to
be something your parents don't like, I'd say it met its design goal.

--
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[Ron C[_2_]]

On 1/2/2015 3:35 PM, Jeff Henig wrote:
> > wrote:
>> Jeff Henig:
>>
>> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.
>
> Dude.
>
> Not even gonna' veer into that general direction, other than to say: my
> enjoyment of music is decided by synapses, not melanin.
>
Wondering if there's a race card corollary to Godwin's law...
[If not, maybe there should be.]

==
Later...
Ron Capik
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[PStamler]

On Friday, January 2, 2015 2:02:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Jeff Henig:
>
> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.

I think, as Mike said, they're mostly generational. I hear a lot of people saying exactly the same things about rap that my parents' generation said about rock: it's nothing but noise; the words are simplistically stupid, etc.. I'm old enough to remember how I felt when I heard those things, and it bothers me to hear them coming out of the mouths of my colleagues.

Rap/hip-hop isn't a style that I listen to for enjoyment, but ?I respect it as a music that's taking chances and being creative. Kind of like the way I felt about Sinatra and his take on the "American Songbook": not to my taste, but I respect the talent that went into it.

As a side note, the same things that are said about rap today and were said about rock in its early years were said about big-band swing when it was hot, and about jazz and ragtime when they were new. Don't believe me? Go do some reading.

Another side note: I'm with Scott on anger as a potential driver of powerful music. See the "Leningrad" symphony, or the Kinks' "Dead End Street", or Dylan's "Positively Fourth Street", or Lead Belly's "Bourgeois Blues" -- you can feel the anger in every line and phrase. And they're all great music. IMHO, of course.

Peace,
Paul

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> Ralph Barone, geoff:
>
> There is rap with positive lyrics out there, but I won't spoon feed it to
> you. Open your minds and look for it.
>
> As for Beats headphones, one advantage of their being closed back is they
> keep their innaccurate sound quality in(!)

I'm sure there is rap music out there with positive lyrics, but I suspect
it's like diamond mining. You may find some gems, but you have to dig
through 20 tons of gravel to find it. I'll dig where the gravel suits my
taste a bit better, thanks.

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Ralph Barone:

Couldn't use a crowbar to open your mind...

[Gray_Wolf]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 20:35:16 +0000 (UTC), Jeff Henig
> wrote:

> wrote:
>> Jeff Henig:
>>
>> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.
>
>Dude.
>
>Not even gonna' veer into that general direction, other than to say: my
>enjoyment of music is decided by synapses, not melanin.

No kidding. Who doesn't like BB King et al?

[geoff]

On 3/01/2015 1:49 p.m., PStamler wrote:
> On Friday, January 2, 2015 2:02:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> Jeff Henig:
>>
>> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a little racist.
>
> I think, as Mike said, they're mostly generational. I hear a lot of people saying exactly the same things about rap that my parents' generation said about rock: it's nothing but noise; the words are simplistically stupid, etc. I'm old enough to remember how I felt when I heard those things, and it bothers me to hear them coming out of the mouths of my colleagues.
>

However there does seem less actual *musical* skill required in each
successive 'generation' of music. No ?

geoff

[hank alrich]

geoff > wrote:

> On 3/01/2015 1:49 p.m., PStamler wrote:
> > On Friday, January 2, 2015 2:02:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> >> Jeff Henig:
> >>
> >> I just happen to find the attitudes on this thread toward rap to be a
> >> little racist.
> >
> > I think, as Mike said, they're mostly generational. I hear a lot of
> >people saying exactly the same things about rap that my parents'
> >generation said about rock: it's nothing but noise; the words are
> >simplistically stupid, etc. I'm old enough to remember how I felt when I
> >heard those things, and it bothers me to hear them coming out of the
> >mouths of my colleagues.
> >
>
> However there does seem less actual *musical* skill required in each
> successive 'generation' of music. No ?
>
> geoff

Kids chops today are better than ever. I meet amazing players not yet
into their mid-20's. I don't think I'll use rap music as a basis to
judge the general state of overall musicianship in the world today!

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[Scott Dorsey]

geoff > wrote:
>
>However there does seem less actual *musical* skill required in each
>successive 'generation' of music. No ?

No, that's just technology.

One person with Sibelius can perform a whole orchestral score even if
he can't play any instruments. Technology can make older generations
of music with less skill as well.
--scott

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[Scott Dorsey]

Jeff Henig > wrote:
>hank alrich > wrote:
>>
>> Kids chops today are better than ever. I meet amazing players not yet
>> into their mid-20's. I don't think I'll use rap music as a basis to
>> judge the general state of overall musicianship in the world today!
>
>So you're saying "the kids are alright"?

I think there are fewer really good performers today, because there are
fewer performers in general, really.

There were fewer music classes in schools twenty years ago and fewer
kids learning to play instruments. Then a decade ago there were fewer
places playing live music, where amateur musicians could become professional
and professionals could work their skills up. So today there are fewer
really top notch performers as a result.

Which to my mind means we need to take better care of the ones we have.
--scott
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[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> Ralph Barone:
>
> Couldn't use a crowbar to open your mind...

I prefer to keep my skull closed. I hear it works better that way :-)

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

wrote:
> Ralph Barone:
>
> Couldn't use a crowbar to open your mind...
>


This is R.A.P.

We use ball-peen hammers for that.

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[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> Jeff Henig > wrote:
> >hank alrich > wrote:
> >>
> >> Kids chops today are better than ever. I meet amazing players not yet
> >> into their mid-20's. I don't think I'll use rap music as a basis to
> >> judge the general state of overall musicianship in the world today!
> >
> >So you're saying "the kids are alright"?
>
> I think there are fewer really good performers today, because there are
> fewer performers in general, really.
>
> There were fewer music classes in schools twenty years ago and fewer
> kids learning to play instruments. Then a decade ago there were fewer
> places playing live music, where amateur musicians could become professional
> and professionals could work their skills up. So today there are fewer
> really top notch performers as a result.
>
> Which to my mind means we need to take better care of the ones we have.
> --scott

My perspective may be skewed via my Austin-centric workbase, but down
here there is a very large supply of very good players, writers, and
performers, with many who fit all three slots.

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[Tobiah]

On 1/2/2015 12:19 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 1/2/2015 7:30 PM, Tobiah wrote:
>> Living as long as you have, while avoiding hearing Billie Jean would
>> be an impressive accomplishment. I'd have to guess that you are
>> mistaken!
>
> Well, how about that I'm not conscious of hearing it. Will that do?
>

Listen to 60 seconds of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y

and then answer. If you are seriously not familiar
with the content of this piece, then I will take my
hat off to you and declare you a national wonder.

HAHA! Just being light here, so you know.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 1/4/2015 4:21 AM, Tobiah wrote:
> Listen to 60 seconds of this: (Billie Jean - Michael Jackson)
> and then answer. If you are seriously not familiar
> with the content of this piece, then I will take my
> hat off to you and declare you a national wonder.

The first 10 seconds was a non-closeable ad. The first 20 seconds of the
song was a "beat" (to stay on topic here) which could have been
anything. The next ten seconds with some chords didn't really define
anything. When the lyrics finally started, I really can say that I
wasn't familiar with them.

So eat your hat and send me my certificate. ;)

The closest thing to familiarity with a Michael Jackson hit is Weird
Al's "Eat It" parody of Beat It. I actually did hear Beat It because I
used to watch MTV for the music and that was a hit back in those days. I
thought it was pretty good. But that didn't make me want more, and I
didn't have to try very hard to not hear more.



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[Tobiah]

> The first 10 seconds was a non-closeable ad. The first 20 seconds of the
> song was a "beat" (to stay on topic here) which could have been
> anything. The next ten seconds with some chords didn't really define
> anything. When the lyrics finally started, I really can say that I
> wasn't familiar with them.

Even when he goes, "IIIIIIII am the one....."? Ok, you may be the one
guy who hasn't heard this song many times. I envy you then, in this
respect :O

>
> So eat your hat and send me my certificate. ;)

Hey, let's not jump ahead here. I said I would
"take my hat off to you". Different.

I don't think I mentioned a certificate either,
although I am considering starting a Wikipedia article
about the one guy who is into music, but is not familiar
with this particular piece. Peace.

Tobiah

[hank alrich]

Tobiah > wrote:

> > The first 10 seconds was a non-closeable ad. The first 20 seconds of the
> > song was a "beat" (to stay on topic here) which could have been
> > anything. The next ten seconds with some chords didn't really define
> > anything. When the lyrics finally started, I really can say that I
> > wasn't familiar with them.
>
> Even when he goes, "IIIIIIII am the one....."? Ok, you may be the one
> guy who hasn't heard this song many times. I envy you then, in this
> respect :O
>
> >
> > So eat your hat and send me my certificate. ;)
>
> Hey, let's not jump ahead here. I said I would
> "take my hat off to you". Different.
>
> I don't think I mentioned a certificate either,
> although I am considering starting a Wikipedia article
> about the one guy who is into music, but is not familiar
> with this particular piece. Peace.
>
> Tobiah

He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
not, we're out there.

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"- show quoted text -
He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
not, we're out there.
- show quoted text -"

On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> "- show quoted text -
> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
> not, we're out there.
> - show quoted text -"
>
> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet,
> it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!

Say, aren't you the guy who keeps bitching about moderated discussion
groups and how your posts keep getting locked or completely removed there?

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>"- show quoted text -
>He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
>not, we're out there.
>- show quoted text -"
>
>On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!

It's racist not to have heard Michael Jackson music?

What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was black, but didn't listen
to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?
--scott
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[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

> skrev i en meddelelse
...

> "- show quoted text -
> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
> not, we're out there.
> - show quoted text -"

> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread...
> Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed
> at least ten replies ago!

Use a proper newsreader.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

Scott Dorsey wrote: "What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was black, but didn't listen
to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?"


Sometimes Scott I wish your common sense came in equal doses to your engineering sense?

Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...

[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 12:58 a.m., wrote:
> "- show quoted text -
> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
> not, we're out there.
> - show quoted text -"
>
> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!
>


I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave me ?

geoff

[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 8:37 a.m., wrote:
> Scott Dorsey wrote: "What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was black, but didn't listen
> to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?"
>
>
> Sometimes Scott I wish your common sense came in equal doses to your engineering sense?
>
> Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...
>


That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts.

geoff

[[email protected]]

2:51 PMgeoff wrote
"- show quoted text -
That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts.

geoff "


???

[[email protected]]

Peter Larsen wrote: "- show quoted text -
Use a proper newsreader.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen "


Yes sir, MR. Emily Post!

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 1/5/2015 2:49 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 6/01/2015 12:58 a.m., wrote:
>> "- show quoted text -
>> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
>> not, we're out there.
>> - show quoted text -"
>>
>> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better
>> yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten
>> replies ago!
>>
>
>
> I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave me ?
>
> geoff

Hmm, in that case you'd likely REALLY hate "country rap." :-) :-)

[from Wiki:]
Country rap is a sub-genre of popular music blending country
music with hip hop music-style rapping, also known as hick-hop
or rural rap.

==
Later....
Ron Capik
--

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff > wrote:
>
>I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave me ?

Balcony row 2 at the opera?
--scott

--
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[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

> skrev i en meddelelse
...

> Peter Larsen wrote: "- show quoted text -
> Use a proper newsreader.

> Kind regards

> Peter Larsen "

> Yes sir, MR. Emily Post!

OMG, you ARE an idiot. You wanted filtering, a proper newsreader will give
you filtering. And that could explain why you get fewer followups the more
crap you post.

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

Ron C:

As much as I like both rap and country, I do not approve of combining the two.

[[email protected]]

Peter Larsen wrote: > skrev i en meddelelse
...
- show quoted text -
OMG, you ARE an idiot. You wanted filtering, a proper newsreader will give
you filtering. And that could explain why you get fewer followups the more
crap you post.

Peter Larsen "


No, I'm not an idiot. I just did not get the context in which you made your "get a real news reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing the clarity of my replies via non-desktop means.

As far as the 'crap' I post, that is on you to validate or invalidate as such.

[hank alrich]

Jeff Henig > wrote:

> > wrote:
> > "- show quoted text -
> > He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
> > not, we're out there.
> > - show quoted text -"
> >
> > On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet,
> > it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!
>
> Seriously, dude?
>
> You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Wonder uf the dumb**** realizes I played with Mance Lipscomb, both at my
house, and at his.

I dislike, outrightly, plenty of music made by "white" people.

TheManSucksBatWeenieAndThinksHe'sSarahPalin

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[Neil Gould]

geoff wrote:
> On 6/01/2015 12:58 a.m., wrote:
>> "- show quoted text -
>> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe
>> it or
>> not, we're out there.
>> - show quoted text -"
>>
>> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better
>> yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten
>> replies ago!
>>
>
>
> I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave
> me ?
>
Were you driven up a wall by "A Boy Named Sue", by any chance? ;-)
--
best regards,

Neil

[[email protected]]

hank alrich:

Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?!

(btw I reported that post hank)

[Nil[_2_]]

On 05 Jan 2015, geoff > wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> On 6/01/2015 8:37 a.m., wrote:
>>
>> Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...
>
> That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts.

Bullseye!

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>hank alrich:
>
>Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?!
>
>(btw I reported that post hank)

And that, in short, is why people keep telling you to get a real newsreader,
so you'll actually get some sense of what Usenet is and what it's supposed
to look like, instead of stupidly reporting posts at random to google.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

Scott Dorsey:

So now you're telling me I don't know what Usenet is, just like you told me I don't understand what the loudness war is.

So what the f- else don't I know about: how to PEE?

And in general, what is this 'say your posts out loud' you people have been echoing in this thread?

[Frank Stearns]

(Scott Dorsey) writes:

>geoff > wrote:
>>
>>I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave me ?

>Balcony row 2 at the opera?

Speaking of opera... To me MJ's music is largely a "listen once" then forget
experience. Does that make me racist?

But, oops, I love Leontyne Price -- what a great voice, and you can listen again and
again and typically find something new at each listen. And then there was the great
conductor James DePriest. And many more... Does all that put me back in good graces
with the PC crowd?

Should it perhaps simply mean that some music and performers might have something
more to offer than others? I thought the idea was to be colorblind enough that we
can make aesthetic judgments/opinions based on content rather than color (to
paraphrase MLK).

Frank
Mobile Audio

--

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>Scott Dorsey:
>
>So now you're telling me I don't know what Usenet is, just like you told me I don't understand what the loudness war is.

Yes, absolutely. You're using the google interface and think that is what
usenet is like. You're reporting people to google who don't use google and
whom google can't do anything about other than laugh. You're referring to
messages in some display order that is specific to google. You clearly
have not seen a proper Usenet reader. I recommend you try one.

>So what the f- else don't I know about: how to PEE?

I can't speak about that.

>And in general, what is this 'say your posts out loud' you people have been echoing in this thread?

'You people?' I believe only one person has said that, and you'll have to
ask him about it.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Frank Stearns > wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes:
>
>>geoff > wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave me ?
>
>>Balcony row 2 at the opera?
>
>Speaking of opera... To me MJ's music is largely a "listen once" then forget
>experience. Does that make me racist?

I kind of feel the opposite way. "ABC" gets stuck in my head and it won't
go away. It's a simple song with simple arrangement, but it's a very catchy
tune that I have trouble forgetting.

>But, oops, I love Leontyne Price -- what a great voice, and you can listen again and
>again and typically find something new at each listen. And then there was the great
>conductor James DePriest. And many more... Does all that put me back in good graces
>with the PC crowd?

Yeah, but they have really good material to work with. And the thing about
classical music is that it's pretty much all been pre-selected. Enormous
amounts of material have been written over the centuries and most of it has
been thrown out, so what you're listening to is the best of the best.

Nobody EVER plays Strauss' _Schlagobers_ today. But it was very popular
when it came out. Meyerbeer and Salieri were once big time composers,
now they have gone the same route as Victor Herbert.

>Should it perhaps simply mean that some music and performers might have something
>more to offer than others? I thought the idea was to be colorblind enough that we
>can make aesthetic judgments/opinions based on content rather than color (to
>paraphrase MLK).

No, I think it's merely a process of selection, and the fact that some people
have written music that is intended to be listened to and some have not.

And while Michael Jackson has done some solid performances of some catchy
tunes, he's no Sun Ra. I think he's the Victor Herbert of his era, and
to be honest that's not a bad thing to be at all.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> Scott Dorsey wrote: "What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was
> black, but didn't listen
> to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?"
>
>
> Sometimes Scott I wish your common sense came in equal doses to your engineering sense?
>
> Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...

Funniest thing said so far in this thread and about the only part worth the
admission fee. Thanks Scott.

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

> wrote:
> Ron C:
>
> As much as I like both rap and country, I do not approve of combining the two.

As much as I dislike both rap and country, I also do not approve of
combining the two.

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 1/5/2015 9:36 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > wrote:
>> Ron C:
>>
>> As much as I like both rap and country, I do not approve of combining the two.
>
> As much as I dislike both rap and country, I also do not approve of
> combining the two.
>

Hey, it's real, it's out there. I didn't invent it.
It sure as heck ain't something I'd seek out.

Check out the list of popular music genres on Wiki
and you'll find lots of weird stuff.

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres >

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Ralph Barone[_2_]]

Ron C > wrote:
> On 1/5/2015 9:36 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> Ron C:
>>>
>>> As much as I like both rap and country, I do not approve of combining the two.
>>
>> As much as I dislike both rap and country, I also do not approve of
>> combining the two.
>>
>
> Hey, it's real, it's out there. I didn't invent it.
> It sure as heck ain't something I'd seek out.
>
> Check out the list of popular music genres on Wiki
> and you'll find lots of weird stuff.
>
> < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres >
>
> ==
> Later...
> Ron Capik
> --

Hey, if it didn't exist, I wouldn't have had to disapprove of it :-)

[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> > wrote:
> >hank alrich:
> >
> >Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?!
> >
> >(btw I reported that post hank)
>
> And that, in short, is why people keep telling you to get a real newsreader,
> so you'll actually get some sense of what Usenet is and what it's supposed
> to look like, instead of stupidly reporting posts at random to google.
> --scott

He talks to the mirror and calls it dialog.

I suspect operation of a real newsreader to be outside of his
intellectual capabilities.

Carrion.

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[hank alrich]

Ralph Barone > wrote:

> > wrote:
> > Scott Dorsey wrote: "What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was
> > black, but didn't listen to his music after he turned white? That
> > should be less racist, right?"
> >
> >
> > Sometimes Scott I wish your common sense came in equal doses to your
> > engineering sense?
> >
> > Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...
>
> Funniest thing said so far in this thread and about the only part worth the
> admission fee. Thanks Scott.

√ !

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[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 11:57 a.m., Neil Gould wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>> On 6/01/2015 12:58 a.m., wrote:
>>> "- show quoted text -
>>> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe
>>> it or
>>> not, we're out there.
>>> - show quoted text -"
>>>
>>> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better
>>> yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten
>>> replies ago!
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't like rap and I cowboy music either. So where does that leave
>> me ?
>>
> Were you driven up a wall by "A Boy Named Sue", by any chance? ;-)
>


Now that's gonna be stuck in my head all night ;-|

geoff

[John Williamson]

On 05/01/2015 22:59, wrote:
> hank alrich:
>
> Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?!
>
> (btw I reported that post hank)
>
Who to? This is an unmoderated newsgroup, so there's nobody to report
anything to.

(Hint. Just because you use Google groups to post, so it looks like a
forum, that doesn't mean they can do anything to change who posts here
or what they post.)

You've just proved your lack of intelligence once again.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[John Williamson]

On 05/01/2015 22:33, wrote:
> Peter Larsen wrote: > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
> - show quoted text -
> OMG, you ARE an idiot. You wanted filtering, a proper newsreader will give
> you filtering. And that could explain why you get fewer followups the more
> crap you post.
>
> Peter Larsen "
>
>
> No, I'm not an idiot. I just did not get the context in which you made your "get a real news reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing the clarity of my replies via non-desktop means.
>
> As far as the 'crap' I post, that is on you to validate or invalidate as such.
>
There's no need to validate your posts as crap. They are *all* total,
complete and utter unmitigated rubbish, none of which makes any sense.

If you were to read your posts out loud before posting, you would hear
just how daft they sound when read by others. (And there are some on
this newsgroup who have to use screenreaders to follow it, as they can't
see the screen to read it.)

The "Get a real news reader" comment means that you need to stop using
Google Groups, which has a very poor interface and no facilities to
control what you see. You keep reporting posts to Google for blocking of
the poster. If you used a real newsreader program, you could block any
poster you wish yourself with a couple of mouse clicks.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 9:09 a.m., wrote:
> 2:51 PMgeoff wrote
> "- show quoted text -
> That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts.
>
> geoff "
>
>
> ???
>


Oh to have to explain .....

"Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard..."

geoff

[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 3:27 a.m., Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > wrote:
>> "- show quoted text -
>> He's not the only one lucky enough never to have heard it. Believe it or
>> not, we're out there.
>> - show quoted text -"
>>
>> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago!
>
> It's racist not to have heard Michael Jackson music?
>
> What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was black, but didn't listen
> to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?
> --scott
>


Yeah there seems a real confusion about what is racism with some these days.


The other days my son said "that's rascist" when I commented that a
chappie I saw had very dark skin..... when in fact he just had very
(VERY !) dark skin. Simple fact - nothing judgemental or racist about it
at all.

geoff

[geoff]

On 6/01/2015 11:29 p.m., geoff wrote:

>>>
>>> On a moderated forum I could just block this RACIST thread... Better
>>> yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten
>>> replies ago!
>>
>> It's racist not to have heard Michael Jackson music?
>>
>> What if you only heard MJ's music from when he was black, but didn't
>> listen
>> to his music after he turned white? That should be less racist, right?
>> --scott
>>
>
>
> Yeah there seems a real confusion about what is racism with some these
> days.
>
>
> The other days my son said "that's rascist" when I commented that a
> chappie I saw had very dark skin..... when in fact he just had very
> (VERY !) dark skin. Simple fact - nothing judgemental or racist about it
> at all.
>
> geoff


I also commented that an Irish lady on TV had incredibly pale skin. But
that apparently wasn't racist.

I have quite pale skin. Now I'll have to spank myself !

geoff

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

"geoff" > skrev i en meddelelse
...

> On 6/01/2015 11:29 p.m., geoff wrote:

>> The other days my son said "that's rascist" when I commented that a
>> chappie I saw had very dark skin..... when in fact he just had very
>> (VERY !) dark skin. Simple fact - nothing judgemental or racist about it
>> at all.

>> geoff

> I also commented that an Irish lady on TV had incredibly pale skin. But
> that apparently wasn't racist.

> I have quite pale skin. Now I'll have to spank myself !

No. You have to sit down as a group on the beach and discuss how to help the
question member of the group improve.

> geoff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[polymod]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...

>He talks to the mirror and calls it dialog.

Man, if that ain't a line from a song, it should be.

Poly

[[email protected]]

John Williamson wrote: "There's no need to validate your posts as crap. They are *all* total, complete and utter unmitigated rubbish, none of which makes any sense. "

Now you're just being childish. Your perception of me, and conversely mine of you, are shaped by this very interface we are using.

I speak in broad, conceptual terms, rather than bogging myself down in mathematical or technical details, to get my points across.

For example, I am at odds with nearly everyone on R.A.P, Gearslutz, Head Fi, or any other moderated or unmoderated audio forum, regarding the loudness war in recorded music. That is not due to any lack of understanding of WHY this war exists, but due to my broader, non-nitpicking statements about it.

[Frank Stearns]

(Scott Dorsey) writes:

>Frank Stearns > wrote:

snip

>>Speaking of opera... To me MJ's music is largely a "listen once" then forget
>>experience. Does that make me racist?

>I kind of feel the opposite way. "ABC" gets stuck in my head and it won't
>go away. It's a simple song with simple arrangement, but it's a very catchy
>tune that I have trouble forgetting.

Sure, I've had those experiences as well. Fortunately, most of the really obnoxious
"high-fat/high-sugar" ones have faded away.


>>But, oops, I love Leontyne Price -- what a great voice, and you can listen again and
>>again and typically find something new at each listen. And then there was the great
>>conductor James DePriest. And many more... Does all that put me back in good graces
>>with the PC crowd?

>Yeah, but they have really good material to work with. And the thing about
>classical music is that it's pretty much all been pre-selected. Enormous
>amounts of material have been written over the centuries and most of it has
>been thrown out, so what you're listening to is the best of the best.

Two sides to that. First, yes, you're absolutely correct: the oh so very useful
"filter of time".

But as a different side to that, staying with the Leontyne Price reference for a
moment... In the 1950s she recorded a number of things composed in the 1950s by
Samuel Barber. It was, at the time, very new and very "out there" music (in some
ways) ... Hermit songs, Knoxville: Summer of 1915, just to mention a few.

So it was brand new music, not filtered by time. And yet it offered more in many
ways than other music from same time, IMO. And it seems to stand up well and have a
timeless quality.

>Nobody EVER plays Strauss' _Schlagobers_ today. But it was very popular
>when it came out. Meyerbeer and Salieri were once big time composers,
>now they have gone the same route as Victor Herbert.

True. And in large part it's because ultimately some hard-to-define element was
missing from those compositions. Line up Mozart and Salieri, for example. At first
glance, similar stuff. But after a few more listens the gaps in the Salieri begin to
appear.

>>Should it perhaps simply mean that some music and performers might have something
>>more to offer than others? I thought the idea was to be colorblind enough that we
>>can make aesthetic judgments/opinions based on content rather than color (to
>>paraphrase MLK).

>No, I think it's merely a process of selection, and the fact that some people
>have written music that is intended to be listened to and some have not.

Not sure I parse the last part of that enterily. If you're saying there are
classical music composers (often acedemics) who write stuff that is "classical
music" but stirs nothing in the listener and is in effect unlistenable, I would
agree 100%.

>And while Michael Jackson has done some solid performances of some catchy
>tunes, he's no Sun Ra. I think he's the Victor Herbert of his era, and
>to be honest that's not a bad thing to be at all.

Various parties are still fighting over the estate (or its debts), last I heard. :)

Frank
--

[Scott Dorsey]

Frank Stearns > wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes:
>
>>No, I think it's merely a process of selection, and the fact that some people
>>have written music that is intended to be listened to and some have not.
>
>Not sure I parse the last part of that enterily. If you're saying there are
>classical music composers (often acedemics) who write stuff that is "classical
>music" but stirs nothing in the listener and is in effect unlistenable, I would
>agree 100%.

I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be
listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background.

The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would include
Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy.

There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a production
category you need to think about what the music is for before you can think
about how it should be presented.

Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly music
that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the edges of
what music really is.

I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong in.

>>And while Michael Jackson has done some solid performances of some catchy
>>tunes, he's no Sun Ra. I think he's the Victor Herbert of his era, and
>>to be honest that's not a bad thing to be at all.
>
>Various parties are still fighting over the estate (or its debts), last I heard. :)

That's the secret to life, dying before the bills come due...
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 7/01/2015 3:22 a.m., wrote:

> For example, I am at odds with nearly everyone on R.A.P, Gearslutz, Head Fi, or

any other moderated or unmoderated audio forum, regarding the loudness
war in recorded music.

That is not due to any lack of understanding of WHY this war exists,
but due to my broader,

non-nitpicking statements about it.


It's not because the others don't object (strongly) to the "loudness
wars". It's because your apparent total and seemingly un-educatable
lack of understanding of the causes and mechanisms.

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff wrote: "It's not because the others don't object (strongly) to the "loudness wars". It's because your apparent total and seemingly un-educatable lack of understanding of the causes and mechanisms. "

The causes? The artists or labels want their album as loud as possible.

The mechanisms? Process away as much of the loudest parts, apply makeup gain to 'what's left'.

What's so difficult to understand about that? You guys just like to argue with others, it seems.

[hank alrich]

polymod > wrote:

> "hank alrich" wrote in message
> ...
>
> >He talks to the mirror and calls it dialog.
>
> Man, if that ain't a line from a song, it should be.
>
> Poly

Thank you. Maybe it will be. ;-)

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[hank alrich]

John Williamson > wrote:

> On 05/01/2015 22:59, wrote:
> > hank alrich:
> >
> > Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?!
> >
> > (btw I reported that post hank)
> >
> Who to? This is an unmoderated newsgroup, so there's nobody to report
> anything to.
>
> (Hint. Just because you use Google groups to post, so it looks like a
> forum, that doesn't mean they can do anything to change who posts here
> or what they post.)
>
> You've just proved your lack of intelligence once again.

It understandeth not my stealthiness! The interenets are mine!!

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[hank alrich]

geoff > wrote:

> On 6/01/2015 9:09 a.m., wrote:
> > 2:51 PMgeoff wrote
> > "- show quoted text -
> > That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts.
> >
> > geoff "
> >
> >
> > ???
> >
>
>
> Oh to have to explain .....
>
> "Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard..."
>
> geoff

Went to put his feet in his mouth and wound up clogging both ears.

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[hank alrich]

John Williamson > wrote:

> On 05/01/2015 22:33, wrote:
> > Peter Larsen wrote: > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> > - show quoted text -
> > OMG, you ARE an idiot. You wanted filtering, a proper newsreader will give
> > you filtering. And that could explain why you get fewer followups the more
> > crap you post.
> >
> > Peter Larsen "
> >
> >
> > No, I'm not an idiot. I just did not get the context in which you made
> >your "get a real news reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing
> >the clarity of my replies via non-desktop means.
> >
> > As far as the 'crap' I post, that is on you to validate or invalidate as
> >such.
> >
> There's no need to validate your posts as crap. They are *all* total,
> complete and utter unmitigated rubbish, none of which makes any sense.
>
> If you were to read your posts out loud before posting, you would hear
> just how daft they sound when read by others. (And there are some on
> this newsgroup who have to use screenreaders to follow it, as they can't
> see the screen to read it.)
>
> The "Get a real news reader" comment means that you need to stop using
> Google Groups, which has a very poor interface and no facilities to
> control what you see. You keep reporting posts to Google for blocking of
> the poster. If you used a real newsreader program, you could block any
> poster you wish yourself with a couple of mouse clicks.

Only if he coud get the mouse to hold still long enough to click it.

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[hank alrich]

Frank Stearns > wrote:

> (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>
> >Frank Stearns > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >>Speaking of opera... To me MJ's music is largely a "listen once" then forget
> >>experience. Does that make me racist?
>
> >I kind of feel the opposite way. "ABC" gets stuck in my head and it won't
> >go away. It's a simple song with simple arrangement, but it's a very catchy
> >tune that I have trouble forgetting.
>
> Sure, I've had those experiences as well. Fortunately, most of the really
> obnoxious "high-fat/high-sugar" ones have faded away.

Attempting to sing "Amazing Grace" to the tune of "Gilligan's Island"
will expunge the culprit. Trust me.

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[PStamler]

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 1:42:22 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be
> listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background.
>
> The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would include
> Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy.
>
> There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a production
> category you need to think about what the music is for before you can think
> about how it should be presented.


I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others: music meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work songs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly listened to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to.

Peace,
Paul

[Rasta Robert]

On 2015-01-05, > wrote:
> Peter Larsen wrote: > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
> - show quoted text -
> OMG, you ARE an idiot. You wanted filtering, a proper newsreader will give
> you filtering. And that could explain why you get fewer followups the more
> crap you post.
>
> Peter Larsen "
>
>
> No, I'm not an idiot. I just did not get the context in which you made your "get a real news reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing the clarity of my replies via non-desktop means.
>
> As far as the 'crap' I post, that is on you to validate or invalidate as such.


Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without
whole paragraphs running on, and running off screen, and not properly
getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70
or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying.

--
Rasta Robert

[[email protected]]

Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
properly format your posts without
whole paragraphs running on, and running
offscreen, and not properly
getting quoted as a result, by using the return
key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
least make the form less annoying."

(separate paragraph to follow)


Oh I get it now - format is more important to
some of you than the message itself. Figures,
in this 21st century where appearances and
initial impressions trump all other criteria, including
but not limited to common sense.



And remember: "It's Boo-KAY, nawt Bucket!"

smh...

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

> skrev i en meddelelse
...

> Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
> properly format your posts without
> whole paragraphs running on, and running
> offscreen, and not properly
> getting quoted as a result, by using the return
> key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
> least make the form less annoying."

> (separate paragraph to follow)

If you do it right software can help the reader. So stop scolding those that
try to help you.

regards

Peter Larsen

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
> properly format your posts without
> whole paragraphs running on, and running
> offscreen, and not properly
> getting quoted as a result, by using the return
> key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
> least make the form less annoying."
>
> (separate paragraph to follow)
>
>
> Oh I get it now -

No, you obviously don't get it, probably because you're too much of a
dumb ****.

> format is more important to
> some of you than the message itself.

Such utter bull**** shows that you don't get it. You insist on proving
that you're a ****ing idiot, and you are STILL too stupid to
understand why you should get a real newsreader (and probably a
grown-up keyboard) instead of your little toddler interface from the
play room.

> And remember:

And remember, li'l short-bus Krissie is a dumb ****, and so damn proud
of it that he has to prove it over and over again

> smh...

****ing retarded dumb ****, lifetime short-bus rider. How ****ing
stupid is it to spend five years in community college to get an
associate's degree? How much more stupid is it to put that fact
(including the five years it took) on your resume. No wonder you have
such a hard time getting hired to clean toilets. Barely got a two-year
degree after five years, and it's on your resume. What a dumb ****!

A little web research by a potential hirer would reveal you bragging,
right here on Usenet, that you didn't actually earn the degree in five
years; they just promoted you out because they couldn't stand you or
your idiocy any more. What kind of a dumb **** would boast about that?
The-K-boy-krapshispants, that's who. Certified short-bus ****-eating
dumb ****.

[John Williamson]

On 07/01/2015 12:35, Peter Larsen wrote:
> > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>> Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
>> properly format your posts without
>> whole paragraphs running on, and running
>> offscreen, and not properly
>> getting quoted as a result, by using the return
>> key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
>> least make the form less annoying."
>
>> (separate paragraph to follow)
>
> If you do it right software can help the reader. So stop scolding those that
> try to help you.
>
And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he could do something about the
content?


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson
- show quoted text -
And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he
could do something about the content?
- show quoted text - "


You still haven't proven what's wrong with
what I have to say about issues I'm
concerned about.

[John Williamson]

On 07/01/2015 12:56, wrote:
> John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson
> - show quoted text -
> And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he
> could do something about the content?
> - show quoted text - "
>
>
> You still haven't proven what's wrong with
> what I have to say about issues I'm
> concerned about.
>
Many others have.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[None]

<the-k-toddler-****s-his-pants @ kretinmail-dot-dumb**** com> wrote in
message ...
> On a moderated forum I could just block this ...

Whether you can block any thread has nothing to do with whether the
forum is moderated. It has to do with whether you use a grown-up
interface (you don't, you use a toy), and whether you know how to use
it (you don't, because you're a moron). People keep telling you to use
a real newsreader, but you are too stupid to understand why and how
you should do that, so you just keep whining like the whining moron
that you will always be.

> Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least
> ten replies ago!

Better yet, you would have been banned long ago for being a ****stain.
The only reason you're here is that it's not moderated, so you can
keep coming here to crap all over the newsgroup.

> Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard...

Pretty much everything you spew is much stupider. Several people have
tried to explain this to you, but you don't get it ... too stupid.

> Just WHO are you referring to as 'dumb ****';?!:"

You, K-brat, you're a dumb ****. As you keep proving. You're the one
he's calling a dumb ****, and rightly so.

> (btw I reported that post hank)

Who did you report him to? Your mommy? Did you write, "Dear Google, I
know you don't care, but someone called me a dumb ****, and I have to
be a tattle-tale. Signed, Dumb **** Kozicki, lifelong dumb ****."

> So now you're telling me I don't know what Usenet is ...

Well, that's because you keep coming to Usenet and proving that you
don't understand what it is. If you understood what Usenet is, you
wouldn't make dumb-**** posts about "reporting" other posts. Only a
dumb **** who doesn't know what Usenet is would try to "report" a
Usenet post, and only an even dumber **** would actually broadcast
what a dumb **** he is by bragging about "reporting" a post, because
that's just bragging about being a dumb **** who doesn't know what
Usenet is.=

> ... just like you told me I don't understand what the loudness war
> is.

Whoomp, there it is! Being the dumb **** that you are, you get back on
your festering hobby horse! It's clear that you don't know what the
loudness war is. It's clear from all the dumb **** posts you make
about it. And more dumb****ery to come, no doubt.

> So what the f- else don't I know about: how to PEE?

You've shown yourself to be such a moronic dumb **** that there's
probably some doubt.

> And in general, what is this 'say your posts out loud' you people
> have been echoing in this thread?

I guess you're just too much of a dumb **** to understand. It's
probably not worth it for you to try to understand. You're just too
stupid.

> I speak in broad, conceptual terms, rather than bogging myself down
> in mathematical or technical details, to get my points across

You post ill-informed idiocy, and when people try to correct you, you
just flail your arms and rant about it and insult them. The only
points you get across are that you're an idiot, and a moron, and an
asshole. Oh yeah, and a dumb ****.

> For example, I am at odds with nearly everyone on R.A.P, Gearslutz,
> Head Fi, or any other moderated or unmoderated audio forum,
> regarding the loudness war in recorded music. That is not due to
> any lack of understanding of WHY this war exists, but due to my
> broader, non-nitpicking statements about it.

The reasons why you're at odds have been explained to you in painful
detail, and in terms a child could understand. But not a dumb ****
like you, being that you're not as bright as a typical six-year-old.
You keep claiming that you understand about the loudness wars, and
then you step in your own pile of **** and prove that you are
completely clueless. And then you refuse to understand why people on
moderated groups don't like you. The main reasons are that you have no
idea what you're talking about (preferring to deny your ignorance
rather than correcting it), because you're a moronic dumb****, and
that you won't follow the rules, because you're a moronic asshole.

The monkey **** that you've smeared all over this thread (and your
face) just provides more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an
asshole. Short-bus rider for life.

[None]

> wrote in message
...
> John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson
> - show quoted text -
> And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he
> could do something about the content?
> - show quoted text - "
>
>
> You still haven't proven what's wrong with
> what I have to say about issues I'm
> concerned about.

Dozens of posters have done so, in many hundreds of posts. You must
have missed it because you're such a dumb ****. It must really suck
going through life being stupider than the dog**** you keep stepping
in.

[[email protected]]

N0ne wrote: "The monkey **** that you've smeared
all over this thread (and your face) just provides
more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an"

I know who you are. You went to
school with me - DOOR SLAMMER.

[Phil W[_3_]]

Rasta Robert:
> On 2015-01-05, :

>> I just did not get the context in which you made your "get a real news
>> reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing the clarity of my
>> replies via non-desktop means.

The context is, that you ) have been flooding this
group with your special kind of "spam" and usually ****ed up the "technical
form" for usenet posts.
It´s actually like your obsession about the "loudness war". There is a kind
of "standard"/"norm" for usenet posts and you simply refuse to use it. In
this case you, , are the one deploying crap products.

> Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without
> whole paragraphs running on, and running off screen, and not properly
> getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70
> or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying.

Well, with the typical content of ´s posts, the form
is a smaller problem.

The guy just does not *want* to understand anything the way it´s intended.

[[email protected]]

Phil W wrote: "The guy just does not *want* to understand
anything the way it´s intended. "


Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE
I don't want learn.


As far as the loudness goes, all I did was
to present theories for additional contributing
factors to it. I never said they were thee
factors, but that together, with what others
have posted, have led to it.

[Scott Dorsey]

PStamler > wrote:
>
>I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others: m=
>usic meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work son=
>gs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly listened =
>to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to.

I consider dance music to be music you listen to... although what you listen
to might be the beat more than the melody. Maybe work songs fit into that
category too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

Scott Dorsey: "work songs"

Classic rock? Here in the states
a classic rock radio station - 104.3 WAXQ -
plays "work force blocks", artists like BTO,
Boston, Stones, Doobie Brothers, and
Steve Miller band.

[hank alrich]

PStamler > wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 1:42:22 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> > I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be
> > listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background.
> >
> > The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would
> > include Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy.
> >
> > There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a
> > production category you need to think about what the music is for before
> > you can think about how it should be presented.
>
>
> I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others:
> music meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work
> songs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly
> listened to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to.
>
> Peace,
> Paul

I think Grateful Dead music spans the listen-to and dance-to categories.
There are some marvelous lyrics and some big grooves.

I recall an interview with a guy from Garage Mahal, wherein he was asked
about listeners versus dancers, and he replied that the dancers could be
listening to content as deeply or moreso than the listeners.

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[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

> skrev i en meddelelse
...

fixing it for ya

> Phil W wrote:

>> The guy just does not *want* to understand
>> anything the way it´s intended. "

> Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE
> I don't want learn.

You're still posting from google groups.

- Peter Larsen

[Scott Dorsey]

Neil > wrote:
>On 1/6/2015 2:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>> Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly music
>> that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the edges of
>> what music really is.
>>
>Cage is not all that close to the edge! I don't find his music any more
>challenging to listen to than Stockhausen, and not nearly as complex as
>Subotnick or the musical sound track of "Forbidden Planet", a couple of
>examples that I actually enjoy and has lead to much study and emulation
>of content and style.

Some of his work is that way, but he also has consciously spent a lot of
time trying to find the edge with works like Water Walk.

I'm not sure if a lot of Stockhausen's work is music either. But then,
I am not sure I really know where that edge is.

>> I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong in.
>>
>I would place the 'Dead along with musicians like Sun Ra in a category
>of music that depends heavily on improvisation as well as composition
>and is intended to be experienced live.

That would make it music to be listened to carefully, then.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Peter Larsen > wrote:

> > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
> fixing it for ya
>
> > Phil W wrote:
>
> >> The guy just does not *want* to understand
> >> anything the way it´s intended. "
>
> > Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE
> > I don't want learn.
>
> You're still posting from google groups.
>
> - Peter Larsen

√

Done.

Next?

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[[email protected]]

Peter Larsen wrote: "You're still posting from google groups."


I'm going to say this in context of something you said
earlier, about not trashing those who are trying to help.

Telling someone to change their method of accessing
Usenet does not FEEL helpful to me. I took some others'
advice on here about controlling the character length of my
lines, and am putting that into practice.

The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some
traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote
and respond to it. And that's the important thing.

"Kind regards"

[John Williamson]

On 07/01/2015 17:26, wrote:
> Peter Larsen wrote: "You're still posting from google groups."
>
>
> I'm going to say this in context of something you said
> earlier, about not trashing those who are trying to help.
>
> Telling someone to change their method of accessing
> Usenet does not FEEL helpful to me. I took some others'
> advice on here about controlling the character length of my
> lines, and am putting that into practice.
>
And it's taken you how many months to take that one small step?

> The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some
> traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote
> and respond to it. And that's the important thing.
>
The other things you complain about such as the lack of filtering and
the difficulty of formatting acceptably still remain, though, so in that
way, you've totally ignored the good advice you've been given, even
though it would save you work. Unless you're using a public or work
terminal, not your own computer, and you have no choice about using
Google Groups, of course.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

John Williamson wrote: "though it would save you work. Unless
you're using a public or work terminal, not your own computer,
and you have no choice about using
Google Groups, of course.
- show quoted text -"


Jeez, it's like I'm the only person this distance from the sun
using Google Groups, it bothers you that much.


Now that it's a *little* easier to read my posts, and whom
they are in response to, let's get back to topic.


Oh and another thing, I'm also sick n tired of being told I
"don't understand" or "don't want to" understand the
Loudness War. When I ask "What precisely do I not get?"
everyone here, except for one stalker who apparently
knows me personally, folds up like two-dollar suitcases
and won't cite examples!

[PStamler]

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:26:23 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> Scott Dorsey: "work songs"
>
> Classic rock? Here in the states
> a classic rock radio station - 104.3 WAXQ -
> plays "work force blocks", artists like BTO,
> Boston, Stones, Doobie Brothers, and
> Steve Miller band.

That's interesting; I've just gone through a spell of having my neighbor's house get tuckpointed. The crew worked all day with the local Classic-Rock station up loud. Someday someone will write a doctoral dissertation on the use of Classic Rock music as background for blue-collar labor. I know that the place I most often hear it is at the car-repair shop or in instances like my tuckpointing neighbor. Sometimes I think there should be a discussion for recording engineers on mixing and mastering Classic Rock for construction site playback. (I'm not kidding.)

But when I brought work songs into the discussion I had in mind songs like this:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3Ak sY2gX1Dc&ei=J3-tVL_6McGcyATOpYGYAw&usg=AFQjCNGWkv9OfafrVMs6MUaddXVmhbTbJA&sig2=GLUhHyWwtOTInAJYGgngxw&bvm=bv.83134100,d.aWw

In other words, songs where the beat is used to keep a group working together. They seem to exist in most cultures.

Peace,
Paul

[geoff]

On 8/01/2015 12:59 a.m., wrote:
> Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
> properly format your posts without
> whole paragraphs running on, and running
> offscreen, and not properly
> getting quoted as a result, by using the return
> key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
> least make the form less annoying."
>
> (separate paragraph to follow)
>
>
> Oh I get it now - format is more important to
> some of you than the message itself. Figures,
> in this 21st century where appearances and
> initial impressions trump all other criteria, including
> but not limited to common sense.
>
>
>
> And remember: "It's Boo-KAY, nawt Bucket!"
>
> smh...
>


It is difficult to read the message if it has three lines each several
'pages' wide.

geoff

[geoff]

On 8/01/2015 1:56 a.m., wrote:
> John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson
> - show quoted text -
> And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he
> could do something about the content?
> - show quoted text - "
>
>
> You still haven't proven what's wrong with
> what I have to say about issues I'm
> concerned about.
>


For one you seem to think that peak-reading meters have something to do
with facilitating hyper-compression, when the actually tell you zero
about compression.

geoff

[geoff]

On 8/01/2015 4:19 a.m., wrote:
> Phil W wrote: "The guy just does not *want* to understand
> anything the way it´s intended. "
>
>
> Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE
> I don't want learn.
>

You prove it daily.

geoff

[geoff]

On 8/01/2015 2:08 a.m., None wrote:
> <the-k-toddler-****s-his-pants @ kretinmail-dot-dumb**** com> wrote in
> message ...
>> On a moderated forum I could just block this ...
>
> Whether you can block any thread has nothing to do with whether the
> forum is moderated. It has to do with whether you use a grown-up
> interface (you don't, you use a toy),

Hey give him a breask. He seems to have recently learned about the
line-length thing. For a while at least ....


geoff

[Tom McCreadie]

PStamler wrote:
>
>In other words, songs where the beat is used to keep a group working together. They seem to exist in most cultures.

I wonder where the music from the disco era movie "Car Wash" would fit in:
"beat keeping a group working together"...or "working-group helping a beat keep
together"?

Concerning music made for a specific purpose, I'm considering a business plan
for recording yelling little kids in an old, reverberant, indoor swimming-pool;
deliberately driving the levels into clipping; compressing the mix into aerosol
containers, and hawking them down at the local street market as high tech paint
stripper :-)
--
Tom McCreadie

"Music is the greatest silent force in the world." - Lionel Richie

[Neil Gould]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Neil > wrote:
>> On 1/6/2015 2:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly
>>> music that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to
>>> define the edges of what music really is.
>>>
>> Cage is not all that close to the edge! I don't find his music any
>> more challenging to listen to than Stockhausen, and not nearly as
>> complex as Subotnick or the musical sound track of "Forbidden
>> Planet", a couple of examples that I actually enjoy and has lead to
>> much study and emulation of content and style.
>
> Some of his work is that way, but he also has consciously spent a lot
> of time trying to find the edge with works like Water Walk.
>
> I'm not sure if a lot of Stockhausen's work is music either. But
> then, I am not sure I really know where that edge is.
>
There's probably more than one edge.

>>> I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead
>>> belong in.
>>>
>> I would place the 'Dead along with musicians like Sun Ra in a
>> category of music that depends heavily on improvisation as well as
>> composition and is intended to be experienced live.
>
> That would make it music to be listened to carefully, then.
>
Improvisation takes on many forms, some require a lot of attention, others
not so much. For me, The 'Dead are in the latter. They build a nice groove
that is easy to consume. Sun Ra, McCoy Tyner, Ornette Coleman, John
Coltrane, et al are more "heady" in their improvisations, and sometimes hang
out over the edge for a while. Gabriella Montero is one of my favorite
improvisational players. Her music is quite easy to listen to, but at the
same time is quite structurally sophisticated. I'm fortunate to have
experienced all of these players live, and while their recordings are good,
they differ quite a bit from the live performances. But, that just leads me
to a different kind of appreciation.
--
best regards,

Neil

[david gourley[_2_]]

(Scott Dorsey) :

> Neil > wrote:
>>On 1/6/2015 2:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly
music
>>> that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the
edges of
>>> what music really is.
>>>
>>Cage is not all that close to the edge! I don't find his music any more
>>challenging to listen to than Stockhausen, and not nearly as complex as
>>Subotnick or the musical sound track of "Forbidden Planet", a couple of
>>examples that I actually enjoy and has lead to much study and emulation
>>of content and style.
>
> Some of his work is that way, but he also has consciously spent a lot of
> time trying to find the edge with works like Water Walk.
>
> I'm not sure if a lot of Stockhausen's work is music either. But then,
> I am not sure I really know where that edge is.
>
>>> I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong
in.
>>>
>>I would place the 'Dead along with musicians like Sun Ra in a category
>>of music that depends heavily on improvisation as well as composition
>>and is intended to be experienced live.
>
> That would make it music to be listened to carefully, then.
> --scott
>

Where would that leave Edgard Varese?

david

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<the-kdumm****-drools @ monkeymail-dot-dumb****> wrote in message
...
> N0ne wrote: "The monkey **** that you've smeared
> all over this thread (and your face) just provides
> more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an"
>
> I know who you are.

You've already made that claim, more than once. You said that you know
I am "hank alrich". As usual, you're totally wrong. Then you said that
you know I am "Nil". As usual, you're totally wrong. .

> You went to
> school with me - DOOR SLAMMER.

.... so now you think I went to school with me. Batting zero with your
predictions, dumb****.

And you seem to have some pus-oozing festering grudge against someone
who slammed a door in your face long ago. Probably because you were
being an insufferable dumb****. Was that in junior high? Or was it
during your five-year struggle with an attempt at a junior college
associates degree? Hehe.

You have no idea who I am. I can tell you that, as far as I know, we
have never met in person, but you have trouble comprehending simple
facts, so you can have your own version of reality. Dumb****.

When are you going to live up to your threats, and "report" me to
Google, Interpol, and your mommy? And then get all indignant (or is
that indigent and ignorant) when someone points out that you have no
idea how Usenet works, or peak metering, or mastering, or pretty much
any subject at all. Have you ever actually read any of the stinking
bat**** that you've posted here? People who read your vomit know a lot
about exactly who you are, and how much you refuse to learn. The more
you post, the more you prove it, and dozens of other posters have said
likewise. If you don't want everyone in the group to know what a
dumb**** you are, continual denials won't do the trick. You only give
more evidence, with every post, of what a dumb**** you are.

Your best bet is to **** off out of here and never come back. Then,
eventually, pretty much everyone will forget what a cheesebrain you
are. Or, you could just keep reminding us all. Maybe that's really the
best you can do. Dumb****.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

> skrev i en meddelelse
...

> The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some
> traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote
> and respond to it. And that's the important thing.

An understandable viewpoint, but do you want your posts read?

> "Kind regards"

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[John Williamson]

On 08/01/2015 15:45, Peter Larsen wrote:
> > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>> The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some
>> traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote
>> and respond to it. And that's the important thing.
>
> An understandable viewpoint, but do you want your posts read?
>
I don't think he realises that a lot of usenet posters ignore google
groups posts automatically.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[hank alrich]

geoff > wrote:

> On 8/01/2015 12:59 a.m., wrote:
> > Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
> > properly format your posts without
> > whole paragraphs running on, and running
> > offscreen, and not properly
> > getting quoted as a result, by using the return
> > key after every 70 or so characters. That would at
> > least make the form less annoying."
> >
> > (separate paragraph to follow)
> >
> >
> > Oh I get it now - format is more important to
> > some of you than the message itself. Figures,
> > in this 21st century where appearances and
> > initial impressions trump all other criteria, including
> > but not limited to common sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > And remember: "It's Boo-KAY, nawt Bucket!"
> >
> > smh...
> >
>
>
> It is difficult to read the message if it has three lines each several
> 'pages' wide.
>
> geoff

I'm surprised it doesn't post in Sanskrit.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[[email protected]]

hank alrich wrote: "- show quoted text -
I'm surprised it doesn't post in Sanskrit.
- show quoted text -"

It? IT?!

I'm a HUMAN BEING, you leftover piece of
the Grandcamp!

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> wrote in message
...
> hank alrich wrote: "- show quoted text -
> I'm surprised it doesn't post in Sanskrit.
> - show quoted text -"
>
> It? IT?!
>
> I'm a HUMAN BEING, you leftover piece of
> the Grandcamp!

It's a dumb****. Does the translation of "dumb****" have an
unambiguous grammatical gender in Sanskrit? I'm not sure of the
answer, but I'm sure that it( the dumb****) doesn't even understand
the question. Maybe li'l "Short Bus" Krissie needs a hug from mommy
and a nap. And of course, a fresh diaper.

[[email protected]]

HANK ALRICH wrote: "- show quoted text -
It's a dumb****. Does the translation of "dumb****" have an
unambiguous grammatical gender in Sanskrit? I'm not sure of the "


Your cover's blown Hank. You and your alter ego sound
just alike in type. It's all over the internet now.

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> wrote in message
...
> HANK ALRICH wrote: "- show quoted text -
> It's a dumb****. Does the translation of "dumb****" have an
> unambiguous grammatical gender in Sanskrit? I'm not sure of the "
>
>
> Your cover's blown Hank.

Can't you make up your mind, li'l guy? Wasn't it just yesterday that
you were sure I'm someone else? Either way, you're wrong (the story of
your sad excuse for a life). You keep pretending you know who I am, in
your ongoing crusade to be full of ****, and never understand any
thing. One thing you've proven conclusively: you don't want to
understand anything, you just want to fling your monkey**** around at
everyone.

> You and your alter ego sound just alike in type.

Well, everyone knows that you have severe reading comprehension
problems, which seem to mean that you can't even read the crap you
write.

> It's all over the internet now.

It is? What is? Where? Maybe you should lay off the booze; but I guess
it helps you create the impression that you're an incoherent dumb****.
A short-bus dumb**** who knows almost nothing, and refuses to learn
any thing, Don't you ever get tired of being scraped off the bottom of
people's shoes like the dog**** you are?