Guns And Roses vocal mic

[Peter Hewitt-Dutton]

Hi, I am suposed to be doing a session for a band soon, and they say they
want it to sound like 'Appetite Fore Destruction'. BUT I can't seem to
figure out what vocal mic they used on that album. If any one knows what mic
it was it would be much appreciated. My current thinking is of getting
either a U47 fet, or an M149 (both of which I can hire for the session).

Thanks.
Pete.

[Rail Jon Rogut]

u47 tube.

Rail
------------------------------------------------------------
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://home.earthlink.net/~railro


"Peter Hewitt-Dutton" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, I am suposed to be doing a session for a band soon, and they say they
> want it to sound like 'Appetite Fore Destruction'. BUT I can't seem to
> figure out what vocal mic they used on that album. If any one knows what
mic
> it was it would be much appreciated. My current thinking is of getting
> either a U47 fet, or an M149 (both of which I can hire for the session).
>
> Thanks.
> Pete.
>
>

[xy]

a U-87 is a classic hard rock screamer mic. also very popular out in
LA where those guys were from.

not sure if Axel used an 87 or not, but it's a good thing to think
about. i'd try 87/neve 87/api and then work on the reverb. that
album is drenched in ambience...probably lots of lexicon going on.

[Peter Hewitt-Dutton]

yeah, figured that one! Crank out the reverb processors, thank god for Pro
Tools!

"xy" > wrote in message
om...
> a U-87 is a classic hard rock screamer mic. also very popular out in
> LA where those guys were from.
>
> not sure if Axel used an 87 or not, but it's a good thing to think
> about. i'd try 87/neve 87/api and then work on the reverb. that
> album is drenched in ambience...probably lots of lexicon going on.

[Fletcher]

Peter Hewitt-Dutton wrote:

> Hi, I am suposed to be doing a session for a band soon, and they say they
> want it to sound like 'Appetite Fore Destruction'. BUT I can't seem to
> figure out what vocal mic they used on that album.

The mic was the least of the reasons for that vocal sound... the singer, the
songs, the arrangements, etc... the vocal mic is a minor player in the grand
scheme of the sound of a recording.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Rob Adelman]

Fletcher wrote:


> The mic was the least of the reasons for that vocal sound... the singer, the
> songs, the arrangements, etc... the vocal mic is a minor player in the grand
> scheme of the sound of a recording.

Right. Axel Rose's voice would come through any vocal chain loud and
clear, unfortunately...

[Christian Serig]

In the book "Behind the Glass" he states when recording vocals he
uses a DBX 160 in the chain old style with VU's, then a 1176 when he
mixes. Does not say what type of mic.

[Christian Serig]

Also a while back in one of the guitar magazines this summer there
was a article with him. He stated he used SPX-90's for the reverb on
guitars. I believe they were recorded completely dry, maybe the amps
were even inside road cases. But I am not positive about that.

[David 'db' Butler]

NO, NO , NO!

REVERBS, not plugin imitations....

Sorry Charlie, you want the real sound, use the real reverb.

db

In article >,
"Peter Hewitt-Dutton" > wrote:

> yeah, figured that one! Crank out the reverb processors, thank god for Pro
> Tools!
>
> "xy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > a U-87 is a classic hard rock screamer mic. also very popular out in
> > LA where those guys were from.
> >
> > not sure if Axel used an 87 or not, but it's a good thing to think
> > about. i'd try 87/neve 87/api and then work on the reverb. that
> > album is drenched in ambience...probably lots of lexicon going on.
>
>

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[EggHd]

<< REVERBS, not plugin imitations.... >>

Do we get into what's a real reverb? A Chamber? Concert hall? Plate?
SRV2000? 480L? Dverb?

I



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Dave Martin]

"EggHd" > wrote in message
...
> << REVERBS, not plugin imitations.... >>
>
> Do we get into what's a real reverb? A Chamber? Concert hall? Plate?
> SRV2000? 480L? Dverb?
>
Well, my favorite room sound is the one at St. Paul's in London.

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

[Peter Hewitt-Dutton]

I agree, unfortunately.

"Rob Adelman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Fletcher wrote:
>
>
> > The mic was the least of the reasons for that vocal sound... the singer,
the
> > songs, the arrangements, etc... the vocal mic is a minor player in the
grand
> > scheme of the sound of a recording.
>
> Right. Axel Rose's voice would come through any vocal chain loud and
> clear, unfortunately...
>

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

Peter Hewitt-Dutton > wrote:

> Hi, I am suposed to be doing a session for a band soon, and they say they
> want it to sound like 'Appetite Fore Destruction'. BUT I can't seem to
> figure out what vocal mic they used on that album. If any one knows what mic
> it was it would be much appreciated. My current thinking is of getting
> either a U47 fet, or an M149 (both of which I can hire for the session).

I would suspect he used different microphones for different songs. Axl
even changed his hairdo to match the sound of the song, so why wouldn't
they switch vocal mikes too? For example, on Sweet Child O' Mine, he's
got straight, greasy hair and a headband. I'm thinking U47. But on
Welcome To The Jungle, I bet there was a U87 there. His hair is all
ratted up and they're posing like a metal band. But he sings like
Janis Joplin.

ulysses

[David Morley]

In article >,
(EggHd) wrote:

> << REVERBS, not plugin imitations.... >>
>
> Do we get into what's a real reverb? A Chamber? Concert hall? Plate?
> SRV2000? 480L? Dverb?
>
> I

Tht´s simple.
A real room
A Plate
A Spring
:-)

[Techmeister]

A plate

A chamber

A 224/480 blahblahblah

A good spring with predelay added

If you can't hear the difference, consider another career!

;-)

YMMV

Techmeister

"friends don't let friends use plugins (unless there REALLY is no choice...)

In article >, (EggHd)
wrote:

> << REVERBS, not plugin imitations.... >>
>
> Do we get into what's a real reverb? A Chamber? Concert hall? Plate?
> SRV2000? 480L? Dverb?
>
> I
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> "I know enough to know I don't know enough"

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[EggHd]

<< If you can't hear the difference, consider another career! >>

No one else will have me!



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"