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S. King
March 16th 14, 04:32 PM
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:11:35 -0700, Henry Baxter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have never recorded anything before until today I tried to record
> myself playing my grand with my Macbook's internal microphone. It was
> horrendous, so I'm looking to improve on things.
>
> I have a MicPort Pro available, the macbook air of course, and the piano
> (my Bechstein is my pride and joy, it's not the problem) is in a medium
> sized open concept room in a 100 year old house with very high ceilings.
> I have no idea what information matters so please forgive anything
> extraneous in what I'm saying :) Also this is all 'classical' piano.
>
> Am I looking for a condenser microphone?
> Where should I try putting it?
> Should I lift the lid, and if so full half or quarter?
> Are there any considerations I should make in the way I play? (eg with
> the internal microphone, compressing the dynamic range of my playing was
> the only way to make it work at all)
>
> Thank you very much for your time,
>
>
> Henry

I agree with most of Paul Stamler's suggestions. Where are you located?
If there are recording studios nearby, I think I might ask around of
musician friends to see if they have recommendations for an experienced
recording engineer. Pay him or her to come to your house, listen to you
play, and make suggestions for what he might do to get a good piano
recording in your room. Make sure your 'consultant' understands your
objectives and your budget. While, digging into an Alton Everest
acoustics book might eventually enable you to get the room where you want
it to be, you could also waste a ton of money on treatment furthering your
education. In particular, it is not so easy to translate room treatment
techniques appropriate for a recording studio or performance space into
something that is appropriate for a home, where decor is also important.
For a do-it-yourself approach.... if you have a micPort Pro available,
which is really a surprisingly good pre-amp AD/DA, I would try to borrow
or rent a condenser mic to go with it, a TLM102 would be a good choice.
Or, if you want to invest a few dollars in a very inexpensive condenser
that is good enough to tell you a lot about the room and where to place
the mic on your piano, try the MXL MCA SP1 Studio Condenser Microphone at
about $75 from B&H. Don't forget a mic stand. It sure isn't the best
microphone for anything, but it is surprisingly good for the money,
relatively flat, not very colored. Experiment with mic placement. Try
Paul's suggestion. But, also try other lid configurations and mic
placements. If you can't find any placment that sounds pretty good, then
you definitely have a room problem. On the other hand, you may find a lid
configuration and mic position that makes you happy and have a lot of fun
in the quest.

Steve King

polymod
March 16th 14, 04:56 PM
"S. King" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:11:35 -0700, Henry Baxter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have never recorded anything before until today I tried to record
> myself playing my grand with my Macbook's internal microphone. It was
> horrendous, so I'm looking to improve on things.
>
> I have a MicPort Pro available, the macbook air of course, and the piano
> (my Bechstein is my pride and joy, it's not the problem) is in a medium
> sized open concept room in a 100 year old house with very high ceilings.
> I have no idea what information matters so please forgive anything
> extraneous in what I'm saying :) Also this is all 'classical' piano.
>
> Am I looking for a condenser microphone?
> Where should I try putting it?
> Should I lift the lid, and if so full half or quarter?
> Are there any considerations I should make in the way I play? (eg with
> the internal microphone, compressing the dynamic range of my playing was
> the only way to make it work at all)
>
> Thank you very much for your time,
>
>
> Henry

I agree with most of Paul Stamler's suggestions. Where are you located?
If there are recording studios nearby, I think I might ask around of
musician friends to see if they have recommendations for an experienced
recording engineer. Pay him or her to come to your house, listen to you
play, and make suggestions for what he might do to get a good piano
recording in your room. Make sure your 'consultant' understands your
objectives and your budget. While, digging into an Alton Everest
acoustics book might eventually enable you to get the room where you want
it to be, you could also waste a ton of money on treatment furthering your
education. In particular, it is not so easy to translate room treatment
techniques appropriate for a recording studio or performance space into
something that is appropriate for a home, where decor is also important.
For a do-it-yourself approach.... if you have a micPort Pro available,
which is really a surprisingly good pre-amp AD/DA, I would try to borrow
or rent a condenser mic to go with it, a TLM102 would be a good choice.
Or, if you want to invest a few dollars in a very inexpensive condenser
that is good enough to tell you a lot about the room and where to place
the mic on your piano, try the MXL MCA SP1 Studio Condenser Microphone at
about $75 from B&H. Don't forget a mic stand. It sure isn't the best
microphone for anything, but it is surprisingly good for the money,
relatively flat, not very colored. Experiment with mic placement. Try
Paul's suggestion. But, also try other lid configurations and mic
placements. If you can't find any placment that sounds pretty good, then
you definitely have a room problem. On the other hand, you may find a lid
configuration and mic position that makes you happy and have a lot of fun
in the quest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And by all means, please have it tuned prior to recording.

Poly (the piano tuner)

hank alrich
March 17th 14, 01:06 PM
S. King > wrote:

> While, digging into an Alton Everest
> acoustics book might eventually enable you to get the room where you want
> it to be, you could also waste a ton of money on treatment furthering your
> education. In particular, it is not so easy to translate room treatment
> techniques appropriate for a recording studio or performance space into
> something that is appropriate for a home, where decor is also important.

IMO this has been made much easier by the arrival of semi-rigid
acoustical cotton panels, available in a range of colors. They are
nontoxic to work with or have in one's environment, and you can mount
them directly to surfaces in a variety of ways, as well as frame them in
various manners.

You needn't cover them with cloth to protect folks from toxic fiber
leakage nor to make them reasonably attractive.

They perform better across the spectrum, especially on the low end for
the thicker versions. I think they're a game-changer that few have yet
used or even know about.

http://acousticalsolutions.com/73~ecosorpt-wall-panels

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Luxey
March 19th 14, 08:44 AM
Regarding this cotton material, we have something like that locally, in 1cm and 2 cm thickness, but only in green.

To give you a better feel about how good it looks, let me tell you this.
My wife did not let me put it UNDER the speakers and BEHIND TV set and other
furniture. That's how good she found the looks of it was.

After a fight she let me put it under the speakers, but only because they are "only mine". Anything else she won't let be touched by that material.
She thinks it may pass the image disease across the flat.

John Williamson
March 19th 14, 08:53 AM
On 19/03/2014 08:44, Luxey wrote:
> Regarding this cotton material, we have something like that locally, in 1cm and 2 cm thickness, but only in green.
>
> To give you a better feel about how good it looks, let me tell you this.
> My wife did not let me put it UNDER the speakers and BEHIND TV set and other
> furniture. That's how good she found the looks of it was.
>
> After a fight she let me put it under the speakers, but only because they are "only mine". Anything else she won't let be touched by that material.
> She thinks it may pass the image disease across the flat.
>
Have you got any supplier details for the UK?

The US suppliers don't have agents in Europe, and can't or won't arrange
international shipping for a small order such as I would be making. I
need about 15 square metres, and as for appearance, in my application,
it can be covered with Hessian or some other open weave fabric.

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Tciao for Now!

John.