What I Have to Put up With

[Gary Eickmeier]

A note I just got::


Gary,

Vic asked me to email you. He just found out Friday that the City is going
to be there to video tape the concert for their public broadcasting
station. They use to do this in the past.

They will have their mics and cameras on stage and around. You will not be
able to have mics on the stage or in their way.

If you can work around them that would be fine but because it is the City
they have to have priority for their equipment.


Thanks

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> A note I just got::
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Vic asked me to email you. He just found out Friday that the City is going
> to be there to video tape the concert for their public broadcasting
> station. They use to do this in the past.
>
> They will have their mics and cameras on stage and around. You will not be
> able to have mics on the stage or in their way.
>
> If you can work around them that would be fine but because it is the City
> they have to have priority for their equipment.
>
>
> Thanks

This is tough why? Consider it great promo for the event. Enjoy the
show. It's not about you.

--
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[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:
>
>Vic asked me to email you. He just found out Friday that the City is going
>to be there to video tape the concert for their public broadcasting
>station. They use to do this in the past.
>
>They will have their mics and cameras on stage and around. You will not be
>able to have mics on the stage or in their way.
>
>If you can work around them that would be fine but because it is the City
>they have to have priority for their equipment.

Put up with? This is a great opportunity.

Be sure to ask them for all of their feeds, and if they are doing it from
a truck, ask to listen to the monitoring in the truck.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Eickmeier > wrote:
>>
>>Vic asked me to email you. He just found out Friday that the City is
>>going
>>to be there to video tape the concert for their public broadcasting
>>station. They use to do this in the past.
>>
>>They will have their mics and cameras on stage and around. You will not
>>be
>>able to have mics on the stage or in their way.
>>
>>If you can work around them that would be fine but because it is the City
>>they have to have priority for their equipment.
>
> Put up with? This is a great opportunity.
>
> Be sure to ask them for all of their feeds, and if they are doing it from
> a truck, ask to listen to the monitoring in the truck.
> --scott

A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your reaction
would be?

Got a call from the conductor apologizing about the situation. I told him I
know the guy that runs the LGN crew, so I might be able to work with him. He
replaced our company shooting the city commission meetings some 10 years
ago, so he might remember me.

Gary Eickmeier

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your
> reaction would be?

Did you read what Scott wrote? I admit given the way you approach things
I might not be willing to allow you my feeds were I handling the primary
recording, but you have missed the nuts and bolts of Scott's good
advice.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> >
> > Put up with? This is a great opportunity.
> >
> > Be sure to ask them for all of their feeds, and if they are doing it from
> > a truck, ask to listen to the monitoring in the truck.
> > --scott
>
> A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your reaction
> would be?

Did you read what Scott wrote? I admit given the way you approach things
I might not be willing to allow you my feeds were I handling the primary
recording, but you have missed the nuts and bolts of Scott's good
advice.

You can't learn much while talking.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:

> A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your
> reaction would be?

As I recall this, and I didn't look back in the thread to verify, you were
permited to record but asked not to be in their way. Also, as I recall the
limitations, you would in theory be allowed to suspend a pair of microphones
from the ceiling or from a wire across the room. Something that btw. could
be a handy permanent installation to make, even if just made with Behringer
measurement mics, something that could be done in an affordable manner.

You remind me somewhat of a photographer at an unamplified storytelling
event last sunday. He used a noisy mirror-reflex camera and flash, the
latter in spite of the room being very well lit, imo good enough for video
with household quality cameras. The room is about 22 meters long, he inisted
on using the inbuilt camera flash from that distance when photographing the
stage.

In the intermission I asked him to please skip the flash. He asked then how
he should get good photographs, I said "no comments" and he said "good".
After the show I complained to the arranger and explained that the use of
flash was disturbing and is considered unacceptable in the context of a
classical concert and recommended that a silent camera should be used.

The reason I didn't ask for a refund in the intermission and then left was,
that our last event in a storytelling society was to go to that tea and
storytelling show. But I did say to the arranger that it would be remembered
as the good event that was destroyed by a noisy photographer. I also
recomnended to keep it constructive that since they controlled the room and
the lighting they should take some test photographs and determine what light
setting to use when photographs were needed.

Make the best of it so that you can share floor with the visiting crew
another time, diplomacy has excellent mileage as has making a tidy setup. I
did share floor with a radio station and with another recordist this august
and just used the smallest setup possible. I was asked to share floor if
possible for rights reasons. Visually it got too messy for my taste, I may
decline another time, in fact I just adviced against in the context of a
chamber music concert that has radio coverage.

Always remember when you do live recordings that there wouldn't be an event
to record if no audience came. Be happy that someone wants to promote the
bands events, and learn from what the broadcasters do and listen to the
broadcast and make note of what you would have done differently and consider
why they did it like that.

Remember Scott Dorseys law: "He who pays decides", it is the audience that
pays a live concert, respect them and try to give them a good experience, be
humble.

> Gary Eickmeier

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...

> Remember Scott Dorseys law: "He who pays decides", it is the audience that
> pays a live concert, respect them and try to give them a good experience,
> be humble.
>
>> Gary Eickmeier
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Peter and all,

I don't need any advice in professional courtesy or noisy photographers or
taking feeds or any of that. I am a professional photographer and
videographer and I have explained before my close coordination with the band
and trying to not be in the way for their purposes. I am grateful for the
publicity of the video taping and broadcast, but it would have been
courteous of them to coordinate with someone before announcing they were
coming, stay out of their way. Anyway, I know these people and might be able
to use my microphone setup that I have been planning and practicinig at
every rehearsal and spending some 7 or 8 hundred dollars on getting ready
for. If they don't want my stand on the stage to get a good recording
position then I will just put the Zoom on a stand in the audience and try to
keep the kids, talkers, and pop clappers out of the way.

Gary Eickmeier

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:

> Peter and all,

> I don't need any advice in professional courtesy or noisy
> photographers or taking feeds or any of that.

Other people reading here may benefit from an improved understanding of live
event dynamics.

> Gary Eickmeier

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[polymod]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>
>> Peter and all,
>
>> I don't need any advice in professional courtesy or noisy
>> photographers or taking feeds or any of that.
>
> Other people reading here may benefit from an improved understanding of
> live event dynamics.

Yep! Some very good advice given by the resident "pros"!

Poly

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 11/9/2013 5:10 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your reaction
> would be?

The concert is being recorded. It's just that you don't have to do it.
If the orchestra wants you to do some post-production work for them, let
him arrange for the TV station to get you the recordings.

If you're upset because you think you'll make a better recording than
they will, well . . what can I say? I really don't have enough
information to predict one way or the other.

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier > wrote:

> I don't need any advice in professional courtesy or noisy photographers or
> taking feeds or any of that.

I posit you have never taken a live feed from rigs better than your own.

If your skillset matches your attitude, you're ****ed.

--
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[Rick Ruskin]

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:14:16 -0800, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>
>If your skillset matches your attitude, you're ****ed.

The A&R Dept loves it. Put it to music so we can plan the video.

[hank alrich]

Rick Ruskin > wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:14:16 -0800, (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >If your skillset matches your attitude, you're ****ed.
>
> The A&R Dept loves it. Put it to music so we can plan the video.

Working on it. brother, working on it. Now that Shaidri manages a dance
studio we're thinking of adding a disco ball to our stage lighting.
We're tired of this acoustic americana crap. We want some damn
attention.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/9/2013 5:10 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>> A great opportunity? To not be allowed to record? Is that what your
>> reaction
>> would be?
>
> The concert is being recorded. It's just that you don't have to do it. If
> the orchestra wants you to do some post-production work for them, let him
> arrange for the TV station to get you the recordings.
>
> If you're upset because you think you'll make a better recording than they
> will, well . . what can I say? I really don't have enough information to
> predict one way or the other.

Their audio recording was a couple of shotgun mikes attached to the video
cameras that sat on the apron of the stage. No sophisticated sound recording
equipment. When I do a video of a musical performance, I record the audio
seperately with audio equipment and mix it in sync later. I also take the
house feed from the voice mikes to get the voices much better than if I just
left it to the sound that I would pick up from the stage speakers. Mixing it
in, in sync is another whole topic! I find that Adobe Audition doesn't go
down fine enough to be able to line up the waveforms of all tracks, so I do
it by ear, slipping sync back and forth until it clicks in - just like I
used to do in my film work so many years ago! So I sync it all up and then
adjust gains so it sounds about right on the singers and announcers, and
then the precedence of the house mike sound makes the echoey house speakers
not so annoying and clarifies everything right up.

This is standard video procedure when there is a speaker at a podium and you
need something a lot clearer than the house sound system.

Gary Eickmeier