MIDI is over 30 years old.

[Tobiah]

Comments?

[Nate Najar]

It still works!

[Phil W[_3_]]

Tobiah:

> Comments?

Is there a problem about that? The SM57 design is even older and it´s still
popular and working. Hearing is even way older, for example...
I don´t care, how old something is, as long as it works as intended.

Not quite sure, what you want to read as comments.
Be more clear, or just leave it alone, please!

[Gareth Magennis]

"Tobiah" > wrote in message
...
> Comments?



I got quite excited when, in the UK, Bedford brought out the MIDI Van.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4219602476_8a790365d9.jpg

I could never work out where to plug in my DX7 though.




Gareth.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/4/2013 9:59 PM, Tobiah wrote:
> Comments?

It keeps getting better



--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[William Sommerwerck]

A 30-year-old technology should be "mature". Therefore, why did I have so much
trouble installing a MIDI system on my computer -- even after reading (an
apparently) good book on the subject? * (I was unable to complete the
installation, and have put it aside for the time being.)

I've had no trouble installing and using 801.11, and it's "comparably" as
complex as MIDI.

* The obvious answer is... It wasn't a good book.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Tobiah > wrote:
>Comments?

Thirty years ago, I thought MIDI was going to ruin music.

But now, looking back, I see MIDI hasn't ruined music at all.

It's Kenny G who ruined music.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/5/2013 8:23 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> A 30-year-old technology should be "mature". Therefore, why did I have
> so much trouble installing a MIDI system on my computer -- even after
> reading (an apparently) good book on the subject?

It's so simple that only a child can do it.

Any self respecting PC or Mac will play a MIDI file, but it's true, you
need some understanding of the parameters in order to create one, and
get it to play back through a specific device.



--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[William Sommerwerck]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ...
On 6/5/2013 8:23 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

>> A 30-year-old technology should be "mature". Therefore, why
>> did I have so much trouble installing a MIDI system on my
>> computer -- even after reading (an apparently) good book on
>> the subject?

> It's so simple that only a child can do it.
> Any self-respecting PC or Mac will play a MIDI file, but it's true,
> you need some understanding of the parameters in order to create
> one, and get it to play back through a specific device.

The latter is my problem. The book seems to make perfect sense -- but when
it's time to insert Tab A into Slot B, it doesn't work, or works
intermittently, or doesn't work the way expected.

I will eventually ask my neurosurgeon friend to help me.

[Trevor]

"Tobiah" > wrote in message
...
> Comments?

Yeah, my original Roland MPU401 card cost me $400 25 years ago, pretty big
money back then :-(

Trevor.

[Neil Gould]

Trevor wrote:
> "Tobiah" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Comments?
>
> Yeah, my original Roland MPU401 card cost me $400 25 years ago,
> pretty big money back then :-(
>
Every generation of sound cards that I've had cost in a similar range, from
the MPU401, through a couple of Turtle Beach cards, through the Yamaha
SW1000XG that I still use today.

--
best regards,

Neil

[High Plains Thumper[_2_]]

On 06/05/2013 07:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Thirty years ago, I thought MIDI was going to ruin music.
>
> But now, looking back, I see MIDI hasn't ruined music at all.
>
> It's Kenny G who ruined music.

How's that?

--
George Hostler

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:23:40 -0600, High Plains Thumper
> wrote:

>On 06/05/2013 07:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> Thirty years ago, I thought MIDI was going to ruin music.
>>
>> But now, looking back, I see MIDI hasn't ruined music at all.
>>
>> It's Kenny G who ruined music.
>
>How's that?

James Last certainly drove a nail into the coffin.

d

[None]

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
...
> A 30-year-old technology should be "mature". Therefore, why did I
> have so much trouble installing a MIDI system on my computer

The answer is obvious. For you, it must be painfully obvious.
For everyone else, it's comically obvious. Maybe you could
explain again how you really wanted to write stuff, but nobody
was interested? Hmm. Maybe you won't get the connection.

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 6/6/2013 8:46 PM, None wrote:
> "William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
> ...
>> A 30-year-old technology should be "mature". Therefore, why did I have
>> so much trouble installing a MIDI system on my computer
>
> The answer is obvious. For you, it must be painfully obvious.
> For everyone else, it's comically obvious. Maybe you could
> explain again how you really wanted to write stuff, but nobody
> was interested? Hmm. Maybe you won't get the connection.
>
>
Cue Counselor Troi:
"I feel pain. I feel a deep emotional conflict... "
[counselor Troi passes out.]

==
Later...
Ron Capik <<< cynic-in-training >>>
--

[Trevor]

"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
...
> Trevor wrote:
>> "Tobiah" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Comments?
>>
>> Yeah, my original Roland MPU401 card cost me $400 25 years ago,
>> pretty big money back then :-(
>>
> Every generation of sound cards that I've had cost in a similar range,
> from
> the MPU401, through a couple of Turtle Beach cards, through the Yamaha
> SW1000XG that I still use today.

But the MPU401 was not a sound card, purely midi.

Trevor.

[Neil Gould]

Trevor wrote:
> "Neil Gould" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Trevor wrote:
>>> "Tobiah" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> Yeah, my original Roland MPU401 card cost me $400 25 years ago,
>>> pretty big money back then :-(
>>>
>> Every generation of sound cards that I've had cost in a similar
>> range, from
>> the MPU401, through a couple of Turtle Beach cards, through the
>> Yamaha SW1000XG that I still use today.
>
> But the MPU401 was not a sound card, purely midi.
>
I know. I was only showing that each generation of PC-MIDI interfaces
provided huge steps in functionality at the same price point, which suggests
to me that price is the more important factor.
--
best regards,

Neil

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Tobiah wrote:
> Comments?

MIDI needs to go out and look for a job, then.

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

Les Cargill > wrote:

> Tobiah wrote:
> > Comments?
>
> MIDI needs to go out and look for a job, then.

Dude, are you kidding? MIDI is in the movie business, where the money
is.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[William Sommerwerck]

> MIDI needs to go out and look for a job, then.

He's been living too long with his parents, the Moogs.

[polymod]

"Tobiah" > wrote in message
...
> Comments?

Half of my gear is MIDI.
The other half keeps my playing honest ;)


Poly

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> MIDI needs to go out and look for a job, then.
>
> He's been living too long with his parents, the Moogs.

:)

He looks a lot like 20 mA current loop...

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

hank alrich wrote:
> Les Cargill > wrote:
>
>> Tobiah wrote:
>>> Comments?
>>
>> MIDI needs to go out and look for a job, then.
>
> Dude, are you kidding? MIDI is in the movie business, where the money
> is.
>

you got that right. :)

--
Les Cargill

[HIO]

Guitar Center is the last place on earth that I want to go into but had
to today to buy a Boss RC-3.

Going back, I had just moved to San Francisco in the early 80's and went
into the Guitar Center there to get a job for some bread and butter
money and discounts on gear. I had a band.

Manager takes me into his office, sits me down, and says I have one
question to ask you. If you get it right we will start training you
today. He asks what does MIDI stand for and I said Musical Interface
Device Instrument and he said WOW that is close enough.

Luckily, I had been reading the rags, you know the ones that Mike,
Scott, Roy and many of you others might have written and I had just read
an article about this cool new technology called MIDI (Musical
Instrument Digital Interface). This was even before Harold Faltermeyer's
famous all MIDI Beverly Hills COP movie theme song.

Kind of cool for the day but man that song just sucked when I listened
to it just now. Sounds like the quantization is set on like 24. Sorry
Harold!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqSWnwnuDs

Anyway, I quit before this first training day was over. I cannot stand
that place. Worst place on earth visited so far except for the 12 years
I spent in Folsom and then San Quentin prison on death row.

Thank you DNA. Yes!!!

--
Here In Oregon

Twitter: I don't tweet, I leave that to the birds.
MySpace: Then put a lock on it.
Facebook: Ever hear of the term identity theft?

[HIO]

This place is dead. Somebody write something interesting!

Okay, I will drivel a little. I don't use much MIDI but does anybody
remember the Opcode (Music Quest) MIDIEngine8Port/SE? It had 16 channels
of 8 ins and outs MIDI ports. I still own one gathering dust in my rock
and roll gear museum. I am not a hoarder except with gear.

Anyway, I think the story goes like this and correct me if I am wrong.
Music Quest was bought out by Opcode and then Gibson bought out Opcode
but refused to put any time in or support drivers for XP.

I complained and complained to Gibson and then this third party coder
and programmer wrote a driver for XP for free and the device was reborn
and I incorporated it back into the studio for more years.

Now I come to find out that there is another third party selling a Win 7
64 bit driver for $19.95. I do not need this device anymore but thought
inquiring minds would want to know and I have been known to give to
charity on occasion.

Info in this case and NOT my MIDIEngine8Port/SE.

--
Here In Oregon

Twitter: I don't tweet, I leave that to the birds.
MySpace: Then put a lock on it.
Facebook: Ever hear of the term identity theft?

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/12/2013 4:07 PM, HIO wrote:

> Okay, I will drivel a little. I don't use much MIDI but does anybody
> remember the Opcode (Music Quest) MIDIEngine8Port/SE?

I just saw one of those at a hamfest last Sunday, for $20. I don't need
it so I didn't buy it. I still have a Music Quest MQX-32M card on the
shelf, undriven, and also a Music Quest Frame Lock SMPTE-MTC converter
(no driver needed) that I still occasionally use when I need to generate
SMPTE time code.


> I complained and complained to Gibson and then this third party coder
> and programmer wrote a driver for XP for free and the device was reborn
> and I incorporated it back into the studio for more years.
>
> Now I come to find out that there is another third party selling a Win 7
> 64 bit driver for $19.95.

Yes, it went Music Quest -> Opcode -> Gibson -> Dumpster

I wonder if one of those third parties wrote an XP driver for the
MQX-32M. I think it needs an ISA bus expansion slot and the only
computer I have left with those is the 386SX stashed in the basement for
emergencies.

--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Mike Rivers]

On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers (That's me!) wrote:
> I wonder if one of those third parties wrote an XP driver for the
> MQX-32M. I think it needs an ISA bus expansion slot and the only
> computer I have left with those is the 386SX stashed in the basement for
> emergencies.

Darn if somebody isn't still making computers with ISA slots with either a Pentium 4 or Celeron CPU

http://tinyurl.com/ISA-Slot-PCs

What will they think of next?

[HIO]

On 6/12/2013 1:36 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers (That's me!) wrote:
>> I wonder if one of those third parties wrote an XP driver for the
>> MQX-32M. I think it needs an ISA bus expansion slot and the only
>> computer I have left with those is the 386SX stashed in the basement for
>> emergencies.
>
> Darn if somebody isn't still making computers with ISA slots with either a Pentium 4 or Celeron CPU
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ISA-Slot-PCs
>
> What will they think of next?
>
>


Now I have seen everything. Too funny!


--
Here In Oregon

Twitter: I don't tweet, I leave that to the birds.
MySpace: Then put a lock on it.
Facebook: Ever hear of the term identity theft?

[Brian[_11_]]

Tobiah > wrote:
> Comments?

It midi kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with paper rolls
that had holes in the paper so certain keys on the piano were pressed at
the right time. Very much the same principle.
Midi got enhanced to midi XT (or something like that) but I don't think
there were any other enhancements for it.
They still sell midi keyboards and there are places on the interest where
you can download midi music so people are still writing midi music.
Some midi music sounds bad in midi but I have always enjoyed piano playing
when listing to midi music.
One advantage with midi files is that they are small in size compared to
the file size of high quality audio files.


--
Regards Brian

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Brian wrote:
> Tobiah > wrote:
>> Comments?
>
> It midi kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with paper rolls
> that had holes in the paper so certain keys on the piano were pressed at
> the right time. Very much the same principle.

It is exactly the same principle.

> Midi got enhanced to midi XT (or something like that) but I don't think
> there were any other enhancements for it.
> They still sell midi keyboards and there are places on the interest where
> you can download midi music so people are still writing midi music.
> Some midi music sounds bad in midi but I have always enjoyed piano playing
> when listing to midi music.
> One advantage with midi files is that they are small in size compared to
> the file size of high quality audio files.
>
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwqnR327fk

--
Les Cargill

[William Sommerwerck]

>> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
>> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
>> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
>> same principle.

> It is exactly the same principle.

There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys were
merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with which the
keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression", were variable.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
>>> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
>>> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
>>> same principle.
>
>> It is exactly the same principle.
>
> There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys
> were merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with
> which the keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression",
> were variable.


Some MIDI instruments "do" velocity, some do not.

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

William Sommerwerck > wrote:

> >> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
> >> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
> >> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
> >> same principle.
>
> > It is exactly the same principle.
>
> There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys were
> merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with which the
> keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression", were variable.

We have just sold, to a friend, our 1921 Chickering grand with Ampico
Model A reproducing mechanism. Reproducing pianos have one more row of
holes, for the dynamics.

It's something to put on a Gershwin roll and the listen from distance
enough not to be able to see there's no human at the keyboard.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[William Sommerwerck]

"hank alrich" wrote in message ...

> We have just sold, to a friend, our 1921 Chickering grand with
> Ampico Model A reproducing mechanism. Reproducing pianos
> have one more row of holes, for the dynamics.

Why did you sell it? Ack!

The first device of this type (from Welte) wasn't built into a piano, but
rolled up in front of it. It was called a Vorsetzer (in-front-of sitter).


> It's something to put on a Gershwin roll and listen from enough
> distance not to be able to see there's no human at the keyboard.

There's a Columbia recording of "Rhapsody in Blue", with MTT conducting and
Gershwin "playing" from the reproducing piano roll, with the non-piano notes
taped over.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=82350

[geoff]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2013 4:07 PM, HIO wrote:
>
>> Okay, I will drivel a little. I don't use much MIDI but does anybody
>> remember the Opcode (Music Quest) MIDIEngine8Port/SE?
>
> I just saw one of those at a hamfest last Sunday, for $20. I don't need it
> so I didn't buy it. I still have a Music Quest MQX-32M card on the shelf,
> undriven, and also a Music Quest Frame Lock SMPTE-MTC converter (no driver
> needed) that I still occasionally use when I need to generate SMPTE time
> code.

I've got an MQX-32M lying around, somewhere. My 26-year-old KX-88 is easier
to find though

geoff

[geoff]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers (That's me!)
> wrote:
>> I wonder if one of those third parties wrote an XP driver for the
>> MQX-32M. I think it needs an ISA bus expansion slot and the only
>> computer I have left with those is the 386SX stashed in the basement for
>> emergencies.
>
> Darn if somebody isn't still making computers with ISA slots with either a
> Pentium 4 or Celeron CPU
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ISA-Slot-PCs
>
> What will they think of next?


Might get one for my Turtle Beach Multisound and Pinnacle !

geoff

[geoff]

"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
>>>> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
>>>> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
>>>> same principle.
>>
>>> It is exactly the same principle.
>>
>> There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys
>> were merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with
>> which the keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression",
>> were variable.
>
>
> Some MIDI instruments "do" velocity, some do not.

Very few "do not".

geoff

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

geoff wrote:
> "Les Cargill" > wrote in message
> ...
>> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>>> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
>>>>> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
>>>>> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
>>>>> same principle.
>>>
>>>> It is exactly the same principle.
>>>
>>> There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys
>>> were merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with
>>> which the keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression",
>>> were variable.
>>
>>
>> Some MIDI instruments "do" velocity, some do not.
>
> Very few "do not".
>
> geoff
>
>


Very few now. That's changed over time.

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

William Sommerwerck > wrote:

> "hank alrich" wrote in message ...
>
> > We have just sold, to a friend, our 1921 Chickering grand with
> > Ampico Model A reproducing mechanism. Reproducing pianos
> > have one more row of holes, for the dynamics.
>
> Why did you sell it? Ack!

We're downsizing. The work I find is in Texas, and much of it in the
winter. Not a good deal for my wife and her sister to be over a mile up
a snow-covered dirt road, needing to get to work, with the tractor
driver in Texas.

It's a lovely piano. Eventually I'll get another grand, if I have the
space for it.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff > wrote:
>"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
>> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>>> MIDI kind of reminds me of the old pianos that played with
>>>>> paper rolls that had holes in the paper so certain keys on
>>>>> the piano were pressed at the right time. Very much the
>>>>> same principle.
>>>
>>>> It is exactly the same principle.
>>>
>>> There were two forms of this -- the "player piano", in which the keys
>>> were merely struck, and the "reproducing piano", in which the force with
>>> which the keys were struck, along with several aspects of "expression",
>>> were variable.
>>
>>
>> Some MIDI instruments "do" velocity, some do not.
>
>Very few "do not".

The MIDI harpsichord, for instance.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Clayton[_2_]]

On 14/06/13 2:11 PM, hank alrich wrote:

> It's a lovely piano. Eventually I'll get another grand, if I have the
> space for it.

Hank, Make sure it's a Bosendorfer!

Mike

[polymod]

"Mike Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/06/13 2:11 PM, hank alrich wrote:
>
>> It's a lovely piano. Eventually I'll get another grand, if I have the
>> space for it.
>
> Hank, Make sure it's a Bosendorfer!

.....get the Imperial Grand.model 290 which has 97 keys.

Poly