John Mayer's new CD. What the heck happened?

[Rob Adelman]

I really enjoy his first CD, 'Room For Squares'. One of my favorite new
records in a while. So what is up with his new one, 'Heavier Things'? I
just got this and listened to it last night. Major disappointment. This
thing is just not happening at all. Success and money has certainly not
helped this songwriter. He seems to be on auto-pilot on this one.

-Rob

[Don Cooper]

Rob Adelman wrote:

> I really enjoy his first CD, 'Room For Squares'. One of my favorite new
> records in a while. So what is up with his new one, 'Heavier Things'? I
> just got this and listened to it last night. Major disappointment. This
> thing is just not happening at all. Success and money has certainly not
> helped this songwriter. He seems to be on auto-pilot on this one.


I'm no expert on John's music, but judging by the "hits", including the
current one, it seems to me that the music is just as catchy and smart,
only more "electric" than it had been.


Don

[Geoff Duncan]

The rest are more like the last album.
>
> -Rob
>

Except not as good.

Bummer.

Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.

I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.



Geoff

--

--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Rob Adelman]

Geoff Duncan wrote:

> The rest are more like the last album.
>
>>-Rob
>>
>
>
> Except not as good.
>
> Bummer.

And the production is fine, similar to the last one. I actually got both
of them in vinyl. Is vinyl making a comeback?

The difference between them is astounding, really boring non-discript
songs on the new one.

> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.

I don't have Sacred Love yet. Maybe I shouldn't bother? I like Seal, let
me know what you think of that one.

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:19:27 +1300, "Geoff Duncan"
> wrote:

> The rest are more like the last album.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
>Except not as good.
>
>Bummer.
>
>Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
>have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
>I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
>
>
>
>Geoff
>
>--
I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
returning it to the shop. See my post:


d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Mark Stebbeds]

I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.

mark


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:35:05 -0500, Rob Adelman
> wrote:

>I really enjoy his first CD, 'Room For Squares'. One of my favorite new
>records in a while. So what is up with his new one, 'Heavier Things'? I
>just got this and listened to it last night. Major disappointment. This
>thing is just not happening at all. Success and money has certainly not
>helped this songwriter. He seems to be on auto-pilot on this one.
>
>-Rob

[Geoff Duncan]

> >--
> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
> returning it to the shop. See my post:
>
>
> d
>
> _____________________________
>
> http://www.pearce.uk.com

your link doesnt work, and Googling rec.audio.pro didnt turn anything up
relating to his new record - I am interested though so if you want to post a
new link I will check it out for sure....

Geoff



--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Caddell M]

>Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
>have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>

Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty disappointing.
Mark Caddell
Boston

[Rob Adelman]

Mark Stebbeds wrote:
> I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.


Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)

Perhaps one day he will grow up to be an MCI spokesman too..

[Rob Adelman]

Mark Stebbeds wrote:
> I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.


Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)

Perhaps one day he will grow up to be an MCI spokesman too..

[Mark Stebbeds]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:04:52 -0500, Rob Adelman
> wrote:

>Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)

I was thinking the same thing. Only Mayer aspirates the potatoes
more.

Mark

[Mark Stebbeds]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:04:52 -0500, Rob Adelman
> wrote:

>Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)

I was thinking the same thing. Only Mayer aspirates the potatoes
more.

Mark

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:02:25 +1300, "Geoff Duncan"
> wrote:

>
>
>> >--
>> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
>> returning it to the shop. See my post:
>>
>>
>> d
>>
>> _____________________________
>>
>> http://www.pearce.uk.com
>
>your link doesnt work, and Googling rec.audio.pro didnt turn anything up
>relating to his new record - I am interested though so if you want to post a
>new link I will check it out for sure....
>
>Geoff
Try this:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=03v2nvc4127jiflc9ldovtoknogk39msll%404ax.c om&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DOK,%2BI%27ve%2Bjust%2Bbought%2Bthe%2B CD%2B(labelled%2Bspecial%2Bedition)%2Bgroup:rec.au dio.pro%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.audio.pro%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3D03 v2nvc4127jiflc9ldovtoknogk39msll%25404ax.com%26rnu m%3D1

You will have to patch it back together.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:02:25 +1300, "Geoff Duncan"
> wrote:

>
>
>> >--
>> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
>> returning it to the shop. See my post:
>>
>>
>> d
>>
>> _____________________________
>>
>> http://www.pearce.uk.com
>
>your link doesnt work, and Googling rec.audio.pro didnt turn anything up
>relating to his new record - I am interested though so if you want to post a
>new link I will check it out for sure....
>
>Geoff
Try this:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=03v2nvc4127jiflc9ldovtoknogk39msll%404ax.c om&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DOK,%2BI%27ve%2Bjust%2Bbought%2Bthe%2B CD%2B(labelled%2Bspecial%2Bedition)%2Bgroup:rec.au dio.pro%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.audio.pro%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3D03 v2nvc4127jiflc9ldovtoknogk39msll%25404ax.com%26rnu m%3D1

You will have to patch it back together.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

[unibrow]

I know how to solve your woes. Go buy Mr. Bungle - California :)
You can thank me later. Haha.
"Mark Stebbeds" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:04:52 -0500, Rob Adelman
> > wrote:
>
> >Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)
>
> I was thinking the same thing. Only Mayer aspirates the potatoes
> more.
>
> Mark

[unibrow]

I know how to solve your woes. Go buy Mr. Bungle - California :)
You can thank me later. Haha.
"Mark Stebbeds" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:04:52 -0500, Rob Adelman
> > wrote:
>
> >Maybe Michael McDonald is his mentor :)
>
> I was thinking the same thing. Only Mayer aspirates the potatoes
> more.
>
> Mark

[Blind Joni]

>I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.
>
>mark

I think he's really talented but when I first saw him on a live show last year
I tuned in watched a few songs..the vocal style was really tiring for me..like
Dave Matthews on heroin...I didn't know him then and thought it might be those
songs..I tuned in about 40 minutes later and it was the same..that's his style
but it's gotta hurt to whisper loudly for an hour at a time.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.
>
>mark

I think he's really talented but when I first saw him on a live show last year
I tuned in watched a few songs..the vocal style was really tiring for me..like
Dave Matthews on heroin...I didn't know him then and thought it might be those
songs..I tuned in about 40 minutes later and it was the same..that's his style
but it's gotta hurt to whisper loudly for an hour at a time.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Lou Gimenez]

I think the writing on both records is really good for Sting maybe the best
in years, but the sonics on both are very disappointing, Especially the
distorted John Mayer CD.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



> From: (Caddell M)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: 16 Oct 2003 21:50:06 GMT
> Subject: Re: John Mayer's new CD. What the heck happened?
>
>> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
>> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>>
>
> Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty disappointing.
> Mark Caddell
> Boston

[Lou Gimenez]

I think the writing on both records is really good for Sting maybe the best
in years, but the sonics on both are very disappointing, Especially the
distorted John Mayer CD.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



> From: (Caddell M)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: 16 Oct 2003 21:50:06 GMT
> Subject: Re: John Mayer's new CD. What the heck happened?
>
>> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
>> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>>
>
> Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty disappointing.
> Mark Caddell
> Boston

[Rich Wilner]

> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --

for the record:
i think sting's new album is genius. the production, although not as
acoustic (organic?) sounding as I would like, is immpecable. The
chord arrangements, the song structure, everything about it just
speaks to me, so much so that the first time I listened to it i had to
pull my car over because i was going to crash if i didn't.
to me, elements of stings more recent work (mecury falling especially)
are evident, but as always he tries to take things in a new direction.
so, if anyone's on the fence, i would say check it out for yourself
instead of trusting others' opinins.
oh, and btw, i think the new seal album is very disappointing. #2
album is still breathtaking though (esp. don't cry).

[Rich Wilner]

> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --

for the record:
i think sting's new album is genius. the production, although not as
acoustic (organic?) sounding as I would like, is immpecable. The
chord arrangements, the song structure, everything about it just
speaks to me, so much so that the first time I listened to it i had to
pull my car over because i was going to crash if i didn't.
to me, elements of stings more recent work (mecury falling especially)
are evident, but as always he tries to take things in a new direction.
so, if anyone's on the fence, i would say check it out for yourself
instead of trusting others' opinins.
oh, and btw, i think the new seal album is very disappointing. #2
album is still breathtaking though (esp. don't cry).

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Blind Joni" > wrote in message
...
> >I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.
> >
> >mark
>
> I think he's really talented but when I first saw him on a live show last
year
> I tuned in watched a few songs..the vocal style was really tiring for
me..like
> Dave Matthews on heroin...I didn't know him then and thought it might be
those
> songs..I tuned in about 40 minutes later and it was the same..that's his
style
> but it's gotta hurt to whisper loudly for an hour at a time.

It seems like one of those things that would appeal to college kids who are
in the process of trying to convince themselves how "deep" they are. That
will pass.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Blind Joni" > wrote in message
...
> >I suggest he take the mashed potatoes out of his mouth while singing.
> >
> >mark
>
> I think he's really talented but when I first saw him on a live show last
year
> I tuned in watched a few songs..the vocal style was really tiring for
me..like
> Dave Matthews on heroin...I didn't know him then and thought it might be
those
> songs..I tuned in about 40 minutes later and it was the same..that's his
style
> but it's gotta hurt to whisper loudly for an hour at a time.

It seems like one of those things that would appeal to college kids who are
in the process of trying to convince themselves how "deep" they are. That
will pass.

[Boom2323]

look at the production credits bet. the 1st and this one...see any significant
diffs?

[Boom2323]

look at the production credits bet. the 1st and this one...see any significant
diffs?

[Blind Joni]

>It seems like one of those things that would appeal to college kids who are
>in the process of trying to convince themselves how "deep" they are. That
>will pass.

Funny and true...I'm just too old!!


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>It seems like one of those things that would appeal to college kids who are
>in the process of trying to convince themselves how "deep" they are. That
>will pass.

Funny and true...I'm just too old!!


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[area242]

"Geoff Duncan" > wrote in message
...
> The rest are more like the last album.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
>
> Except not as good.
>
> Bummer.
>
> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.

Yep, I'm a huge Sting fan...but I was also disspointed with his new CD. I
bought the new Seal CD and I really love it. I think it is really some
great work, and it's nice to hear that sound again...now that he's working
with Trevor again. Very nice work, I recommend it.

[area242]

"Geoff Duncan" > wrote in message
...
> The rest are more like the last album.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
>
> Except not as good.
>
> Bummer.
>
> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>
> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.

Yep, I'm a huge Sting fan...but I was also disspointed with his new CD. I
bought the new Seal CD and I really love it. I think it is really some
great work, and it's nice to hear that sound again...now that he's working
with Trevor again. Very nice work, I recommend it.

[TYY]

> >
> >> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> >> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
> >>
> >
> > Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty disappointing.
> > Mark Caddell
> > Boston

What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole. There's plenty of
good songwriters out there.

[TYY]

> >
> >> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that I
> >> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
> >>
> >
> > Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty disappointing.
> > Mark Caddell
> > Boston

What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole. There's plenty of
good songwriters out there.

[Geoff Duncan]

"Rich Wilner" > wrote in message
om...
> > Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that
I
> > have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
> >
> > I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --
>
> for the record:
> i think sting's new album is genius. the production, although not as
> acoustic (organic?) sounding as I would like, is immpecable. The
> chord arrangements, the song structure, everything about it just
> speaks to me, so much so that the first time I listened to it i had to
> pull my car over because i was going to crash if i didn't.
> to me, elements of stings more recent work (mecury falling especially)
> are evident, but as always he tries to take things in a new direction.
> so, if anyone's on the fence, i would say check it out for yourself
> instead of trusting others' opinins.
> oh, and btw, i think the new seal album is very disappointing. #2
> album is still breathtaking though (esp. don't cry).


This is what I love about music - everyone hears, and, more importantly,
feels differently about different things.

Lou Gimenez said "I think the writing on both records is really good for
Sting maybe the best
in years, but the sonics on both are very disappointing, Especially the
distorted John Mayer CD.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com"

and you're both right - YOU like / don't like it.

And, for the record, I *always* make my own decision as to whether I like
something or not, as I hope other readers would too. Theres lots of music I
like and lots I don't, but thats only my opinion / reaction.

I didn't get a chance to pick up Seal yet , but I am looking forward to
it!!!


Cheers!!

Geoff


--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Geoff Duncan]

"Rich Wilner" > wrote in message
om...
> > Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that
I
> > have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
> >
> > I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --
>
> for the record:
> i think sting's new album is genius. the production, although not as
> acoustic (organic?) sounding as I would like, is immpecable. The
> chord arrangements, the song structure, everything about it just
> speaks to me, so much so that the first time I listened to it i had to
> pull my car over because i was going to crash if i didn't.
> to me, elements of stings more recent work (mecury falling especially)
> are evident, but as always he tries to take things in a new direction.
> so, if anyone's on the fence, i would say check it out for yourself
> instead of trusting others' opinins.
> oh, and btw, i think the new seal album is very disappointing. #2
> album is still breathtaking though (esp. don't cry).


This is what I love about music - everyone hears, and, more importantly,
feels differently about different things.

Lou Gimenez said "I think the writing on both records is really good for
Sting maybe the best
in years, but the sonics on both are very disappointing, Especially the
distorted John Mayer CD.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com"

and you're both right - YOU like / don't like it.

And, for the record, I *always* make my own decision as to whether I like
something or not, as I hope other readers would too. Theres lots of music I
like and lots I don't, but thats only my opinion / reaction.

I didn't get a chance to pick up Seal yet , but I am looking forward to
it!!!


Cheers!!

Geoff


--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Rob Adelman]

TYY wrote:

> What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
> your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole.

Who might that be?


> There's plenty of
> good songwriters out there.

And plenty of opinions to go around too.

[Rob Adelman]

TYY wrote:

> What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
> your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole.

Who might that be?


> There's plenty of
> good songwriters out there.

And plenty of opinions to go around too.

[Geoff Duncan]

"TYY" > wrote in message
m...
> > >
> > >> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting)
that I
> > >> have been really looking forward to that have been really
disappointing.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty
disappointing.
> > > Mark Caddell
> > > Boston
>
> What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
> your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole. There's plenty of
> good songwriters out there.

I was disappointed based on the fact that I actually *like* these artists
previous work.

The fact that a hack and a pretentious asshole (down here we say "arsehole")
are involved doesn't bother me - I liked their music not their personality..

There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
recommend?

Cheers!


Geoff


--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Geoff Duncan]

"TYY" > wrote in message
m...
> > >
> > >> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting)
that I
> > >> have been really looking forward to that have been really
disappointing.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Gotta agree on both points - bought them together, pretty
disappointing.
> > > Mark Caddell
> > > Boston
>
> What do you expect buying records from these "artists"? Don't waste
> your time with a hack and a pretentious asshole. There's plenty of
> good songwriters out there.

I was disappointed based on the fact that I actually *like* these artists
previous work.

The fact that a hack and a pretentious asshole (down here we say "arsehole")
are involved doesn't bother me - I liked their music not their personality..

There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
recommend?

Cheers!


Geoff


--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Ted Spencer]

<< There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
recommend?

Cheers!


Geoff
>><BR><BR>

You weren't asking me, but I think Rufus Wainwright is one of the best new
songwriters to come along in many, many years. I've got his last record,
"Poses" and I think it's remarkable. His new one is supposedly great too. I'll
be buying it very soon...


Ted Spencer, NYC

"No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
"Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

[Ted Spencer]

<< There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
recommend?

Cheers!


Geoff
>><BR><BR>

You weren't asking me, but I think Rufus Wainwright is one of the best new
songwriters to come along in many, many years. I've got his last record,
"Poses" and I think it's remarkable. His new one is supposedly great too. I'll
be buying it very soon...


Ted Spencer, NYC

"No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
"Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

[TYY]

> The fact that a hack and a pretentious asshole (down here we say "arsehole")
> are involved doesn't bother me - I liked their music not their personality..
>
> There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
> recommend?
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Geoff


Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to Mayer as
the hack writer, and Sting as the pretentious arse. Although being
pretentious certainly doesn't preclude you from being a good writer
(steve earle comes to mind for some reason), I do think somewhat lowly
of Sting as a writer. Keep in mind these are "opinions". Please don't
tell me I'm wrong. I'm not.

As far as other songwriters? I have been really into Ron Sexsmith
lately; his new record is quite good. His second to last (blue boy)
was also impressive. I would classify him as a solidly GOOD
songwriter. Great singer, too.

[TYY]

> The fact that a hack and a pretentious asshole (down here we say "arsehole")
> are involved doesn't bother me - I liked their music not their personality..
>
> There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
> recommend?
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Geoff


Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to Mayer as
the hack writer, and Sting as the pretentious arse. Although being
pretentious certainly doesn't preclude you from being a good writer
(steve earle comes to mind for some reason), I do think somewhat lowly
of Sting as a writer. Keep in mind these are "opinions". Please don't
tell me I'm wrong. I'm not.

As far as other songwriters? I have been really into Ron Sexsmith
lately; his new record is quite good. His second to last (blue boy)
was also impressive. I would classify him as a solidly GOOD
songwriter. Great singer, too.

[Rob Adelman]

TYY wrote:


>
>
>
> Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to Mayer as
> the hack writer, and Sting as the pretentious arse.

I think Mayers first album has some brilliant writing on it. Even if you
don't agree there is some middle ground without calling him a hack
writer. Maybe your more impressed by something like, say, "should I stay
or should I go"?

And I have seen Sting over the years in concerts, on TV, in interviews
and in print and he has never come off as arrogant or pretentious to me.
Of course, as you said these are opinions.

-Rob

[Rob Adelman]

TYY wrote:


>
>
>
> Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to Mayer as
> the hack writer, and Sting as the pretentious arse.

I think Mayers first album has some brilliant writing on it. Even if you
don't agree there is some middle ground without calling him a hack
writer. Maybe your more impressed by something like, say, "should I stay
or should I go"?

And I have seen Sting over the years in concerts, on TV, in interviews
and in print and he has never come off as arrogant or pretentious to me.
Of course, as you said these are opinions.

-Rob

[Andre Majorel]

In article >, Geoff Duncan wrote:

>> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
>> returning it to the shop. See my post:
>>
>
> your link doesnt work

What he gave is not a "link" (i.e. URL), it's the message ID of
his post. Go to groups.google.com and enter "msgid:" followed by
the message ID.

--
André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we
despise, we don't believe in it at all. -- Noam Chomsky

[Andre Majorel]

In article >, Geoff Duncan wrote:

>> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
>> returning it to the shop. See my post:
>>
>
> your link doesnt work

What he gave is not a "link" (i.e. URL), it's the message ID of
his post. Go to groups.google.com and enter "msgid:" followed by
the message ID.

--
André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we
despise, we don't believe in it at all. -- Noam Chomsky

[EggHd]

I have only heard the radio track and watched the video of that track from the
new album. I thought this track was extremly well written. YMMV


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[EggHd]

I have only heard the radio track and watched the video of that track from the
new album. I thought this track was extremly well written. YMMV


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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Rob Adelman]

EggHd wrote:
> I have only heard the radio track and watched the video of that track from the
> new album. I thought this track was extremly well written. YMMV

i.m.o., that one is ok, and about 2 other tracks are pretty decent,
close to the level of his last go at it. But the rest fall flat.

[EggHd]

<< i.m.o., that one is ok, and about 2 other tracks are pretty decent,
close to the level of his last go at it. But the rest fall flat. >>

The video for the track is very well done as well.



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[Geoff Duncan]

"Andre Majorel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Geoff Duncan wrote:
>
> >> I covered this one when it came out in the UK a while ago. I ended up
> >> returning it to the shop. See my post:
> >>
> >
> > your link doesnt work
>
> What he gave is not a "link" (i.e. URL), it's the message ID of
> his post. Go to groups.google.com and enter "msgid:" followed by
> the message ID.
>
> --
> André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
> If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we
> despise, we don't believe in it at all. -- Noam Chomsky

aha - you learn something new every day....

cheers


Geoff


--
Geoff Duncan
Gherkin Productions Limited
Wellington New Zealand
www.gherkin.vze.com

[Lou Gimenez]

I have the Seal cd also, I thinks its alot better than the last one.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



> From: "Geoff Duncan" >
> Organization: TelstraClear
> Reply-To: "Geoff Duncan" >
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:16:58 +1300
> Subject: Re: John Mayer's new CD. What the heck happened?
>
>
> "Rich Wilner" > wrote in message
> om...
>>> Thats 2 albums in 3 weeks (the other being 'Sacred Love' by Sting) that
> I
>>> have been really looking forward to that have been really disappointing.
>>>
>>> I am buying the new Seal album today - fingers crossed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> for the record:
>> i think sting's new album is genius. the production, although not as
>> acoustic (organic?) sounding as I would like, is immpecable. The
>> chord arrangements, the song structure, everything about it just
>> speaks to me, so much so that the first time I listened to it i had to
>> pull my car over because i was going to crash if i didn't.
>> to me, elements of stings more recent work (mecury falling especially)
>> are evident, but as always he tries to take things in a new direction.
>> so, if anyone's on the fence, i would say check it out for yourself
>> instead of trusting others' opinins.
>> oh, and btw, i think the new seal album is very disappointing. #2
>> album is still breathtaking though (esp. don't cry).
>
>
> This is what I love about music - everyone hears, and, more importantly,
> feels differently about different things.
>
> Lou Gimenez said "I think the writing on both records is really good for
> Sting maybe the best
> in years, but the sonics on both are very disappointing, Especially the
> distorted John Mayer CD.
> --Lou Gimenez
> The Music Lab
> 2" 24track w all the Goodies
> www.musiclabnyc.com"
>
> and you're both right - YOU like / don't like it.
>
> And, for the record, I *always* make my own decision as to whether I like
> something or not, as I hope other readers would too. Theres lots of music I
> like and lots I don't, but thats only my opinion / reaction.
>
> I didn't get a chance to pick up Seal yet , but I am looking forward to
> it!!!
>
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Geoff
>
>
> --
> Geoff Duncan
> Gherkin Productions Limited
> Wellington New Zealand
> www.gherkin.vze.com
>
>

[Lou Gimenez]

what about his writing is hack? I think he's a very good writer and guitar
player.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



> From: (TYY)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: 18 Oct 2003 11:48:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: John Mayer's new CD. What the heck happened?
>
>> The fact that a hack and a pretentious asshole (down here we say "arsehole")
>> are involved doesn't bother me - I liked their music not their personality..
>>
>> There definitely *are* some good songwriters out there, who would you
>> recommend?
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> Geoff
>
>
> Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to Mayer as
> the hack writer, and Sting as the pretentious arse. Although being
> pretentious certainly doesn't preclude you from being a good writer
> (steve earle comes to mind for some reason), I do think somewhat lowly
> of Sting as a writer. Keep in mind these are "opinions". Please don't
> tell me I'm wrong. I'm not.
>
> As far as other songwriters? I have been really into Ron Sexsmith
> lately; his new record is quite good. His second to last (blue boy)
> was also impressive. I would classify him as a solidly GOOD
> songwriter. Great singer, too.

[TYY]

Maybe your more impressed by something like, say, "should I stay
> or should I go"?
>

I can think of a thousand songs more impressive. I do like the spanish
parts, though.


> And I have seen Sting over the years in concerts, on TV, in interviews
> and in print and he has never come off as arrogant or pretentious to me.
> Of course, as you said these are opinions.
>
> -Rob

That's odd. I think next to the entry for pretentious in Webster's
they should have a picture of Sting (or "Stink", as I like to call
him).

[EggHd]

<< I have the Seal cd also, I thinks its alot better than the last one. >>

I heard the CD last weekend at a dinner party that thought it was great on
first listen.



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