Western Electric 300B Matched Pair

[acamil]

I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from
the factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful wooden
case that has the following engraved on the top:
one matched pair
WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
No. 300-B

The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.

Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the
seal.

I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.

I am located in New Jersey and my email is

[Dave]

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:

> I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from the
> factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful wooden case
> that has the following engraved on the top: one matched pair
> WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
> No. 300-B
>
> The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>
> Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the seal.
>
> I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>
> I am located in New Jersey and my email is

We all have our fetishes I suppose...

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/

[Miles Ahead]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:27:24 -0600, dave > wrote:


>We all have our fetishes I suppose...

>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/


Good link.

Folks today have no real clue how easy it is now
(ie: internet) to get all this info, 99.9% free.

The ebooks on Usenet alone, on any subject,
just boggles the mind. Keep sharing...


JJTj

[WayneJ]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:27:24 -0800, dave > wrote:

>
> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>
> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/

As the saying goes, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance then baffle
'em with bull...."

WayneJ

[Roger Jones]

On Jan 4, 8:27*am, dave > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from the
> > factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful wooden case
> > that has the following engraved on the top: one matched pair
> > WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
> > No. 300-B
>
> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>
> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the seal..
>
> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>
> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>
> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>
> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/

What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site!
Quote: "After all, how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and
easily change the output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the
music it reproduces? None!"
But why would you want to? The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we
have ever seen. The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also
did this... DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no
harmonics. All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have
ever seen.
So why do some of us play with tube amps? For me, it's the ambiance
of the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables, they
look good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the best of
the linear s/s amps are better.
The religious will now get upset!
Cheers,
Roger

[Paul P[_4_]]

I figure most "audiophiles" must better hearing and better wallets than I.

PP :~)

[It's that Guy again...]

On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones
> wrote:

>The STK modules and the FET linear

<kind snip>

Alot can be done with SS. I have plans from the good folks
who did the "..Power to the People.." paper DECADES ago
that include very neat & swifty MOSFET design that is so close
to SWw/G it scares ya. And it CAN be adapted for guitar.

Is it a tube..nope. Isn't trying to be.

JJTj


BTW..if you ever see a copy of that paper
"PTTP", buy it. They explain how SS sand can
power tube amps, these guys KNOW their ****,
they designed the Psupplies for ultra multi tube
systems that had to have tube #27655(b) be low noise.

Back then it was $7 by mail, and he updtate it
often. Haven't heard from them in years.

[RS[_2_]]

On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones
> wrote:

>On Jan 4, 8:27*am, dave > wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
>> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from the
>> > factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful wooden case
>> > that has the following engraved on the top: one matched pair
>> > WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
>> > No. 300-B
>>
>> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>>
>> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the seal.
>>
>> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>>
>> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>>
>> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>>
>> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/
>
>What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site!
>Quote: "After all, how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and
>easily change the output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the
>music it reproduces? None!"
>But why would you want to? The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
>stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we
>have ever seen. The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also
>did this... DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no
>harmonics. All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have
>ever seen.
>So why do some of us play with tube amps? For me, it's the ambiance
>of the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables, they
>look good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the best of
>the linear s/s amps are better.
>The religious will now get upset!
>Cheers,
>Roger

Note that the original was crossposted to various groups (mostly
removed here) including alt.guitar.amps. In answer to your question
above, it's specific response characteristics and nonlinearities that
guitarists are after. But of course we don't use 300B's. Guitar amps
are almost all pentodes and beam tubes. A handful have 'triode'
switches, but many guitarists don't care for the sound.

[Morris Slutsky]

On Jan 5, 7:48*pm, RS > wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jan 4, 8:27*am, dave > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
> >> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from the
> >> > factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful wooden case
> >> > that has the following engraved on the top: one matched pair
> >> > WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
> >> > No. 300-B
>
> >> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>
> >> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the seal.
>
> >> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>
> >> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>
> >> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>
> >>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/
>
> >What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site!
> >Quote: "After all, how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and
> >easily change the output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the
> >music it reproduces? *None!"
> >But why would you want to? *The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
> >stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we
> >have ever seen. *The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also
> >did this... *DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no
> >harmonics. *All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have
> >ever seen.
> >So why do some of us play with tube amps? *For me, it's the ambiance
> >of the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables, they
> >look good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the best of
> >the linear s/s amps are better.
> >The religious will now get upset!
> >Cheers,
> >Roger
>
> Note that the original was crossposted to various groups (mostly
> removed here) including alt.guitar.amps. *In answer to your question
> above, it's specific response characteristics and nonlinearities that
> guitarists are after. *But of course we don't use 300B's. *Guitar amps
> are almost all pentodes and beam tubes. A handful have 'triode'
> switches, but many guitarists don't care for the sound.

Electrically they look like they'd be great in bass amps. A pair of
300B's can put out a fair bit of power if driven in class AB2, and the
high damping factor typical of a triode would not be at all out of
place in this application. I have considered trying to make such an
amp - but the expense. Even the cheapest 300Bs are not that cheap -
could you even get a pair for under $100? - and I have heard bad
things about their fragility & microphonics. Looking at them, it
makes sense - that directly heated filament is just strung around like
a light bulb filament, free to vibrate.

[Brenda Ann[_2_]]

"Morris Slutsky" wrote in message
...

Electrically they look like they'd be great in bass amps. A pair of
300B's can put out a fair bit of power if driven in class AB2, and the
high damping factor typical of a triode would not be at all out of
place in this application. I have considered trying to make such an
amp - but the expense. Even the cheapest 300Bs are not that cheap -
could you even get a pair for under $100? - and I have heard bad
things about their fragility & microphonics. Looking at them, it
makes sense - that directly heated filament is just strung around like
a light bulb filament, free to vibrate.


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If you want to play with triode amplifiers, you could always try playing
with a pair of 6SN7's (single section amp and inverter in one tube,
push-pull output in the other), they actually can be made to sound quite
nice, albeit at low power.

[Dave]

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800, Roger Jones wrote:

> On Jan 4, 8:27Â*am, dave > wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
>> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from
>> > the factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful
>> > wooden case that has the following engraved on the top: one matched
>> > pair WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
>> > No. 300-B
>>
>> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>>
>> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the
>> > seal.
>>
>> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>>
>> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>>
>> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>>
>> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/
>
> What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site! Quote: "After all,
> how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and easily change the
> output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the music it reproduces?
> None!"
> But why would you want to? The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
> stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we have
> ever seen. The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also did
> this... DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no harmonics.
> All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have ever seen.
> So why do some of us play with tube amps? For me, it's the ambiance of
> the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables, they look
> good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the best of the
> linear s/s amps are better.
> The religious will now get upset!
> Cheers,
> Roger

The even order harmonic distortion is what gives tube amps their warmth.
300Bs have very low output, requiring horn loaded speakers for decent
volume, a design that also has unique distortion that some find cozy.

I like tube amps, but not tubes that cost more than a decent amp.

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?
CatId=Amplifiers&ProductId=MC2301

[Morris Slutsky]

On Jan 9, 8:20*am, dave > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800, Roger Jones wrote:
> > On Jan 4, 8:27*am, dave > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
> >> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them from
> >> > the factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the beautiful
> >> > wooden case that has the following engraved on the top: one matched
> >> > pair WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
> >> > No. 300-B
>
> >> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>
> >> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the
> >> > seal.
>
> >> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>
> >> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>
> >> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>
> >>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/
>
> > What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site! Quote: "After all,
> > how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and easily change the
> > output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the music it reproduces?
> > None!"
> > But why would you want to? *The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
> > stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we have
> > ever seen. *The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also did
> > this... *DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no harmonics.
> > *All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have ever seen.
> > So why do some of us play with tube amps? *For me, it's the ambiance of
> > the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables, they look
> > good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the best of the
> > linear s/s amps are better.
> > The religious will now get upset!
> > Cheers,
> > Roger
>
> The even order harmonic distortion is what gives tube amps their warmth.
> 300Bs have very low output, requiring horn loaded speakers for decent
> volume, a design that also has unique distortion that some find cozy.
>
> I like tube amps, but not tubes that cost more than a decent amp.
>
> http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?
> CatId=Amplifiers&ProductId=MC2301

Audiophiles like to run 300B's as single-ended, class A, which limits
their efficiency seriously. And yes, that way generates boatloads of
2nd-order harmonics. But that isn't inherent in the 300B so much as
it's part of the circuit topology. A 300B can dissipate 30 or 40
watts on it's plate, which is higher than that of an EL34! But single-
ended class A will only give you about 10 Watts that way, max, before
distortion gets seriously annoying. It's not the tube but the circuit
that limits power - despite it's old-timey appearance, a 300B actually
can dissipate more power than some pentodes. If you ran a EL34 in
single-ended class A, you'd get even less power than the 300B would
give.

If you hooked up 300B tubes, a pair of them, in push-pull like a pair
of EL34s or 6L6s usually are run, you could easily get 60 Watts out of
the pair, maybe more. Unfortunately, triodes have a lot less gain
than pentodes, and to get this full output you'd need a driver stage
capable of supplying current to drive the grids positive - class AB2
operation - pretty much like the output stage of the SVT. I think
that this would sound great for a little bass amp. Except for the
cost, fragility, and microphonics of the tubes, which is why I haven't
tried it.

[Dave]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:14:34 -0800, Morris Slutsky wrote:

> On Jan 9, 8:20Â*am, dave > wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:00:20 -0800, Roger Jones wrote:
>> > On Jan 4, 8:27Â*am, dave > wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:20:22 -0800, acamil wrote:
>> >> > I have a matched pair of Western Electric 300B. I obtained them
>> >> > from the factory in April 1998. The packing slip is in the
>> >> > beautiful wooden case that has the following engraved on the top:
>> >> > one matched pair WESTERN ELECTRIC (logo)
>> >> > No. 300-B
>>
>> >> > The serial numbers are 210571 & 210572.
>>
>> >> > Each tube is in a FACTORY SEALED BOX with the serial number on the
>> >> > seal.
>>
>> >> > I am asking $875.00 for the matched pair.
>>
>> >> > I am located in New Jersey and my email is
>>
>> >> We all have our fetishes I suppose...
>>
>> >>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/channel/ch300b/
>>
>> > What a load of unmitigated nonsense is on that site! Quote: "After
>> > all, how many solid-state amplifiers can you quickly and easily
>> > change the output device(s) to subtly modify the sound of the music
>> > it reproduces? None!"
>> > But why would you want to? Â*The STK modules and the FET linear o/p
>> > stages are the closest thing to a "straight wire with gain" that we
>> > have ever seen. Â*The prior discrete Yamaha M2 and M4 amplifiers also
>> > did this... Â*DC to 100KHz, +/- 0.5 dB and virtually no THD and no
>> > harmonics.
>> > Â*All are technically superior to any tube amplifier I have ever
>> > Â*seen.
>> > So why do some of us play with tube amps? Â*For me, it's the ambiance
>> > of the glowing tubes, the design challenge, they're collectables,
>> > they look good, and, yes, when done well they sound good... but the
>> > best of the linear s/s amps are better.
>> > The religious will now get upset!
>> > Cheers,
>> > Roger
>>
>> The even order harmonic distortion is what gives tube amps their
>> warmth. 300Bs have very low output, requiring horn loaded speakers for
>> decent volume, a design that also has unique distortion that some find
>> cozy.
>>
>> I like tube amps, but not tubes that cost more than a decent amp.
>>
>> http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?
>> CatId=Amplifiers&ProductId=MC2301
>
> Audiophiles like to run 300B's as single-ended, class A, which limits
> their efficiency seriously. And yes, that way generates boatloads of
> 2nd-order harmonics. But that isn't inherent in the 300B so much as
> it's part of the circuit topology. A 300B can dissipate 30 or 40 watts
> on it's plate, which is higher than that of an EL34! But single- ended
> class A will only give you about 10 Watts that way, max, before
> distortion gets seriously annoying. It's not the tube but the circuit
> that limits power - despite it's old-timey appearance, a 300B actually
> can dissipate more power than some pentodes. If you ran a EL34 in
> single-ended class A, you'd get even less power than the 300B would
> give.
>
> If you hooked up 300B tubes, a pair of them, in push-pull like a pair of
> EL34s or 6L6s usually are run, you could easily get 60 Watts out of the
> pair, maybe more. Unfortunately, triodes have a lot less gain than
> pentodes, and to get this full output you'd need a driver stage capable
> of supplying current to drive the grids positive - class AB2 operation -
> pretty much like the output stage of the SVT. I think that this would
> sound great for a little bass amp. Except for the cost, fragility, and
> microphonics of the tubes, which is why I haven't tried it.

Very true, but all the 300B junkies I've read about only use triode
configuration. I used to sell Altec A7s and they were a market. The
Klipschorn was the preferred speaker, but nobody could afford one after
buying a set of tubes.