Re: On the late William Z. Johnson

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

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> On the late William Z. Johnson
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> I had never met him and I have serious criticisms of much of the
> Audio Research equipment I have had to work on over the years, but
> still, it has to be said that he was a seminal figure in the serious
> music reproduction business and his success, along with a few others,
> made the whole high end audio industry-for better and for worse-seem
> like a real business instead of a few cranks dedicated to building odd
> and seemingly obsolete stuff.

Not to speak ill of the departed but since you brought the issue up...

Other than the planar speakers, wasn't the rest of the AR product line
basically obsolete even when is was on the drawing board?

[graham]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message ...
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>> On the late William Z. Johnson
>>
>> I had never met him and I have serious criticisms of much of the
>> Audio Research equipment I have had to work on over the years, but
>> still, it has to be said that he was a seminal figure in the serious
>> music reproduction business and his success, along with a few others,
>> made the whole high end audio industry-for better and for worse-seem
>> like a real business instead of a few cranks dedicated to building odd
>> and seemingly obsolete stuff.
>
> Not to speak ill of the departed but since you brought the issue up...
>
> Other than the planar speakers, wasn't the rest of the AR product line basically obsolete even when is was on the drawing board?
>

Audio Research planar speakers? The Orion Audio Blue Book does not
list any speakers in the Audio Research line.

Are you confusing Audio Research with Acoustic Research or AR?

[Floyd R Turbo]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:25:37 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Other than the planar speakers, wasn't the rest of the AR product line
>basically obsolete even when is was on the drawing board?

When I was selling AR5's, we found setting up two pairs
on the same (well powered amp) DID sound amazing..

Place them side by side, not one on top of the other.

Somehow, with any other AR speaker we tried, it
didn't do the same trick. But with 5's...wow...


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[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"graham" > wrote in message
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>>> On the late William Z. Johnson
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>>> I had never met him and I have serious criticisms of much of the
>>> Audio Research equipment I have had to work on over the years, but
>>> still, it has to be said that he was a seminal figure in the serious
>>> music reproduction business and his success, along with a few others,
>>> made the whole high end audio industry-for better and for worse-seem
>>> like a real business instead of a few cranks dedicated to building odd
>>> and seemingly obsolete stuff.
>>
>> Not to speak ill of the departed but since you brought the issue up...
>>
>> Other than the planar speakers, wasn't the rest of the AR product line
>> basically obsolete even when is was on the drawing board?
>>
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> Audio Research planar speakers? The Orion Audio Blue Book does not
> list any speakers in the Audio Research line.
>
> Are you confusing Audio Research with Acoustic Research or AR?

I'm referring to the marketing agreement between Magnepan and William Z.

[[email protected]]

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> >>> On the late William Z. Johnson
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> >>> I had never met him and I have serious criticisms of much of the
> >>> Audio Research equipment I have had to work on over the years, but
> >>> still, it has to be said that he was a seminal figure in the serious
> >>> music reproduction business and his success, along with a few others,
> >>> made the whole high end audio industry-for better and for worse-seem
> >>> like a real business instead of a few cranks dedicated to building odd
> >>> and seemingly obsolete stuff.
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> >> Not to speak ill of the departed but since you brought the issue up...
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> >> Other than the planar speakers, wasn't the rest of the AR product line
> >> basically obsolete even when is was on the drawing board?
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> > Audio Research planar speakers? The Orion Audio Blue Book does not
> > list any speakers in the Audio Research line.
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> > Are you confusing Audio Research with Acoustic Research or AR?
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> I'm referring to the marketing agreement between Magnepan and William Z.

Kroof is saying since Audio Research gear was built out of vacuum
tubes it was obsolete, IOW.

Generally, by convention "Acoustic Research", manufacturers mostly
of turntables and speakers, is abbreviated "AR", generally Audio
Research Corporation is abbreviated "ARC".

Kroof's argument is not wholly without merit, but then again by the
same thinking the Magneplanar loudspeaker is also obsolete at birth
and so is any turntable, any open reel tape deck, and maybe even any
CD player now. Not to mention all the airplanes flying with piston
engines, which are still 85+% of them. Indeed, the new electric cars
are even more obsolete since there were electric cars before there
were gasoline ones. Kroof, being old and from Detroit, probably
personally remembers the electric Hudson's trucks! Charged each night
from "tube" battery chargers!

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

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On Dec 21, 7:13 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>Mr. Krueger my mental and emotional superior is saying since Audio Research
>gear was built out of vacuum
tubes it was obsolete, IOW.

Of course.

> Mr. Krueger's argument is not wholly without merit, but then again by the
same thinking the Magneplanar loudspeaker is also obsolete at birth
and so is any turntable, any open reel tape deck, and maybe even any
CD player now.

Wrong because of the inclusion of Magneplanar speakers.

The rest of the stuff is truly obsolete. Even CD burners are obsolete simply
because DVD drives that burn great CDs are being sold for like $20.

>Not to mention all the airplanes flying with piston engines, which are
>still 85+% of them.

Besides not being able to post with adults because of his childish name
calling, Mr. Ruston is obviously delusional. New airplanes with piston
engines are still mainstream because of cost considerations. Besides his
obvious symptoms of dementia, ruston is just ticked off because I have the
guts to admit that tubed audio is not technically justifiable. Its about
building new obsolete equipment for the market in sentimentality and
floobydust. That's fine, its just not really about technology.

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On Dec 22, 7:00*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
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> On Dec 21, 7:13 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
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> >Mr. Krueger my mental and emotional superior

ROTFLMAO
> is saying since Audio Research
> >gear was built out of vacuum
>
> tubes it was obsolete, IOW.
>
> Of course.
>
> > Mr. Krueger's argument is not wholly without merit, but then again by the
>
> same thinking the Magneplanar loudspeaker is also obsolete at birth
> and so is any turntable, any open reel tape deck, and maybe even any
> CD player now.
>
> Wrong because of the inclusion of Magneplanar speakers.
>
> The rest of the stuff is truly obsolete. Even CD burners are obsolete simply
> because DVD drives that burn great CDs are being sold for like $20.
>
> >Not to mention all the airplanes flying with piston engines, which are
> >still 85+% of them.
>
> Besides not being able to post with adults because of his childish name
> calling, Mr. Ruston is obviously delusional. New airplanes with piston
> engines are still mainstream because of cost considerations. Besides his
> obvious symptoms of dementia, ruston is just ticked off because I have the
> guts to admit that tubed audio is not technically justifiable. Its about
> building new obsolete equipment for the market in sentimentality and
> floobydust. That's fine, its just not really about technology.

Kroof is taking it the wrong way, but whatever.

ARC tube equipment was not about nostalgia, as it was made "modern"
in appearance at great expense: it was designed to meet the then
regnant IHF standards with a high degree of performance, better than
some of the solid state equipment of its day. For that matter, the
single ended triode scientologists were adamant that their movementr
was not about nostalgia either, and they were right about that much at
least. Later, the two major high end tube manufacturers of the tube
era DID introduce reissues of the old items, which could be called
nostalgia to an extent. But they were still good equipment in their
own right, especially the Marantz reissues.

If tube audio is not technically justifiable, why are you here,
Kroof?

And as for piston engines, Rover in the UK and Chrysler in the US
proved it was possible to make turbine engines at costs comparable to
piston engines. In fact it could be argued that small turbine aero
engines ARE comparable in MANUFACTURING costs to the 1920s technology,
split crankcase Lycoming-they just have a vastly better profit
margin.