Neumann And The Tube Mic Gap

[Tom Hartman]

Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>

I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
it.

Do they just feel like the 87 handles that area (admittedly a bit
higher) or do they just sell so many TLM103s that they don't care?

It seems like they had the right idea price wise with the 147 and I
can't believe they could have missed the mark so widely with it's
sound. It reminds me of when they came out with the FET 47, which I
recall everyone hating for vocals, and of course, which now is going
for big prices and is used on vocals all the time....Any thoughts on
this?

[MikeK]

"Tom Hartman" > wrote in message
om...
> Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> "reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
> I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
> good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
> option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
> it.

Why doesn't Ferrari make a cheap car? Perhaps they make plenty selling high
end gear, don't want to ruin the cachet of their name by catering to
"sub-pro" audio buffs. Maybe they think it might hurt their rep with
high-end studios who can brag "yes, we have Neumanns in OUR studio," as a
benchmark to clients about the diff between their Big Time Studio and your
Small Time Studio. Or maybe Neumann's standards are just so high they don't
think they, or anyone else, can make something reasonably priced that sounds
good enough, or at least good enough to bear "their name"?

[MikeK]

"Tom Hartman" > wrote in message
om...
> Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> "reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
> I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
> good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
> option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
> it.

Why doesn't Ferrari make a cheap car? Perhaps they make plenty selling high
end gear, don't want to ruin the cachet of their name by catering to
"sub-pro" audio buffs. Maybe they think it might hurt their rep with
high-end studios who can brag "yes, we have Neumanns in OUR studio," as a
benchmark to clients about the diff between their Big Time Studio and your
Small Time Studio. Or maybe Neumann's standards are just so high they don't
think they, or anyone else, can make something reasonably priced that sounds
good enough, or at least good enough to bear "their name"?

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Hartman > wrote:
>Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>

Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
products.

They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Hartman > wrote:
>Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>

Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
products.

They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Luke Kaven]

(Tom Hartman) wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
>I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
>good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
>option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
>it.
>
>Do they just feel like the 87 handles that area (admittedly a bit
>higher) or do they just sell so many TLM103s that they don't care?
>
>It seems like they had the right idea price wise with the 147 and I
>can't believe they could have missed the mark so widely with it's
>sound. It reminds me of when they came out with the FET 47, which I
>recall everyone hating for vocals, and of course, which now is going
>for big prices and is used on vocals all the time....Any thoughts on
>this?

I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
*that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
though they're taking the future appreciation up front.

Luke

[Luke Kaven]

(Tom Hartman) wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
>I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
>good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
>option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
>it.
>
>Do they just feel like the 87 handles that area (admittedly a bit
>higher) or do they just sell so many TLM103s that they don't care?
>
>It seems like they had the right idea price wise with the 147 and I
>can't believe they could have missed the mark so widely with it's
>sound. It reminds me of when they came out with the FET 47, which I
>recall everyone hating for vocals, and of course, which now is going
>for big prices and is used on vocals all the time....Any thoughts on
>this?

I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
*that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
though they're taking the future appreciation up front.

Luke

[DJ]

and they
are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
*that name* enough to pay high prices for it.

Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?

DJ

"Luke Kaven" > wrote in message
...
> (Tom Hartman) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
> >
> >I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
> >good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
> >option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
> >it.
> >
> >Do they just feel like the 87 handles that area (admittedly a bit
> >higher) or do they just sell so many TLM103s that they don't care?
> >
> >It seems like they had the right idea price wise with the 147 and I
> >can't believe they could have missed the mark so widely with it's
> >sound. It reminds me of when they came out with the FET 47, which I
> >recall everyone hating for vocals, and of course, which now is going
> >for big prices and is used on vocals all the time....Any thoughts on
> >this?
>
> I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
> price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
> long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
> it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
> other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
> good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
> wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
> shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
> probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
> a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
> are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
> *that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
> mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
> though they're taking the future appreciation up front.
>
> Luke

[DJ]

and they
are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
*that name* enough to pay high prices for it.

Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?

DJ

"Luke Kaven" > wrote in message
...
> (Tom Hartman) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
> >
> >I realize they have the 147 but I don't think I've ever read a single
> >good review of this mic except for bass drum. That leaves buyers the
> >option of coming up with the big bucks for a 149, or forgetting about
> >it.
> >
> >Do they just feel like the 87 handles that area (admittedly a bit
> >higher) or do they just sell so many TLM103s that they don't care?
> >
> >It seems like they had the right idea price wise with the 147 and I
> >can't believe they could have missed the mark so widely with it's
> >sound. It reminds me of when they came out with the FET 47, which I
> >recall everyone hating for vocals, and of course, which now is going
> >for big prices and is used on vocals all the time....Any thoughts on
> >this?
>
> I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
> price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
> long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
> it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
> other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
> good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
> wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
> shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
> probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
> a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
> are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
> *that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
> mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
> though they're taking the future appreciation up front.
>
> Luke

[Tom Hartman]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> Tom Hartman > wrote:
> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
> Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
> They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
> the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
> products.
>
> They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
> Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
> --scott


But that argument would only hold if they hadn't already breached that
.. The 147 can be had for 1500 or so, the 87 is about 2000, and you get
TLMs for a little over 700. The fact that they HAVE the 147, a tube
Neumann, at that price point, must mean they weren't too worried about
besmearching their name. They just apparently made a mic nobody likes.
Hmmm.

[Tom Hartman]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> Tom Hartman > wrote:
> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>
> Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
> They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
> the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
> products.
>
> They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
> Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
> --scott


But that argument would only hold if they hadn't already breached that
.. The 147 can be had for 1500 or so, the 87 is about 2000, and you get
TLMs for a little over 700. The fact that they HAVE the 147, a tube
Neumann, at that price point, must mean they weren't too worried about
besmearching their name. They just apparently made a mic nobody likes.
Hmmm.

[Tom Hartman]

>
> Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?
>
> DJ
>


Perhaps.

But it's like that scene in "Jaws." The mayor says "You say
'barraccuda' and everyone says....'What? Huh?"......you say
'shark"......and we've got a panic on the 4th of July."

You say Neumann and it's just not like saying anything else (whether
that's fair or not).

[Tom Hartman]

>
> Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?
>
> DJ
>


Perhaps.

But it's like that scene in "Jaws." The mayor says "You say
'barraccuda' and everyone says....'What? Huh?"......you say
'shark"......and we've got a panic on the 4th of July."

You say Neumann and it's just not like saying anything else (whether
that's fair or not).

[carrion gasping]

Luke Kaven in >:

>I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
>price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
>long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
>it?

I think not, extrapolating from their prices for accessories: The EA87
shock mount for their U87 mic lists for some $300. Can *this* really
have anything to do with the cost of making it?

While it's pretty mysterious to me what goes into a microphone, it seems
to me that it's quite visible (hence obvious) what goes into a shock
mount, and charging $300 for such a thing seems ridiculous.

I conclude that considerations like "cost of making it" are not part of
this company's pricing policy.

CG

[carrion gasping]

Luke Kaven in >:

>I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
>price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
>long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
>it?

I think not, extrapolating from their prices for accessories: The EA87
shock mount for their U87 mic lists for some $300. Can *this* really
have anything to do with the cost of making it?

While it's pretty mysterious to me what goes into a microphone, it seems
to me that it's quite visible (hence obvious) what goes into a shock
mount, and charging $300 for such a thing seems ridiculous.

I conclude that considerations like "cost of making it" are not part of
this company's pricing policy.

CG

[Tommi]

My understanding is that when you pay for a neumann, you usually pay for
their work done in testing the capsules, so that only premium-quality
components will be released. Some say that when you're buying a Neumann,
you're actually paying for four ditched mics and the good-quality unit
you're buying.





"carrion gasping" > wrote in message
...
> Luke Kaven in >:
>
> >I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
> >price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
> >long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
> >it?
>
> I think not, extrapolating from their prices for accessories: The EA87
> shock mount for their U87 mic lists for some $300. Can *this* really
> have anything to do with the cost of making it?
>
> While it's pretty mysterious to me what goes into a microphone, it seems
> to me that it's quite visible (hence obvious) what goes into a shock
> mount, and charging $300 for such a thing seems ridiculous.
>
> I conclude that considerations like "cost of making it" are not part of
> this company's pricing policy.
>
> CG

[Tommi]

My understanding is that when you pay for a neumann, you usually pay for
their work done in testing the capsules, so that only premium-quality
components will be released. Some say that when you're buying a Neumann,
you're actually paying for four ditched mics and the good-quality unit
you're buying.





"carrion gasping" > wrote in message
...
> Luke Kaven in >:
>
> >I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
> >price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
> >long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
> >it?
>
> I think not, extrapolating from their prices for accessories: The EA87
> shock mount for their U87 mic lists for some $300. Can *this* really
> have anything to do with the cost of making it?
>
> While it's pretty mysterious to me what goes into a microphone, it seems
> to me that it's quite visible (hence obvious) what goes into a shock
> mount, and charging $300 for such a thing seems ridiculous.
>
> I conclude that considerations like "cost of making it" are not part of
> this company's pricing policy.
>
> CG

[xy]

you can't be all things to all people. the same could be asked why
manley doesn't come out with a $400 ld condenser.

if you want to **** with the big dogs, sometimes you have to lift your
leg a little higher...

[xy]

you can't be all things to all people. the same could be asked why
manley doesn't come out with a $400 ld condenser.

if you want to **** with the big dogs, sometimes you have to lift your
leg a little higher...

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, Luke Kaven
> wrote:
>I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
>price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
>long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
>it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
>other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
>good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
>wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
>shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
>probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
>a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
>are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
>*that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
>mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
>though they're taking the future appreciation up front.
>
>Luke

Or, more likely, they ate the loss during the bottomed out economy but
finally had to readjust the US prices. Besides, no one says you HAVE to buy
one. If you can't hear the difference, it doesn't matter.

-----

The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
>shouldn't cost much more than an M147.

The two mics are worlds apart. The difference in price is justifiable for
the M149 feature set alone.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >, Luke Kaven
> wrote:
>I've wondered at times how much the M149 costs to make. Recall the
>price on the M149 overseas went from $2200 to $3500 all at once not
>long ago. Can this really have anything to do with the cost of making
>it? You can buy the K47/49 capsule retail for $600. Where is the
>other $3000 in value? The metalwork fit and finish isn't particularly
>good, the power supply isn't an expensive one (earlier ones even have
>wall-warts). The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
>shouldn't cost much more than an M147. Their recent price increases
>probably stemmed the tide of grey-market imports. But it also marked
>a return to mystique-boutique pricing. Their mics are good, and they
>are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
>*that name* enough to pay high prices for it. Their pricing for new
>mics is now close to the cost of vintage Neumann mics. Seems as
>though they're taking the future appreciation up front.
>
>Luke

Or, more likely, they ate the loss during the bottomed out economy but
finally had to readjust the US prices. Besides, no one says you HAVE to buy
one. If you can't hear the difference, it doesn't matter.

-----

The head amp can't cost that much. All in all, the M149
>shouldn't cost much more than an M147.

The two mics are worlds apart. The difference in price is justifiable for
the M149 feature set alone.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >, "DJ" >
wrote:
>and they
>are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
>*that name* enough to pay high prices for it.
>
>Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?
>
>DJ


No. Among many other instances, ever compare a TLM 103 with an M930?

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Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >, "DJ" >
wrote:
>and they
>are banking on the proposition that people will want *that sound* and
>*that name* enough to pay high prices for it.
>
>Isn't *that sound* more likely to originate from Geffell these days?
>
>DJ


No. Among many other instances, ever compare a TLM 103 with an M930?

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Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >,
(Tom Hartman) wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message
>...
>> Tom Hartman > wrote:
>> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>>
>> Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
>> They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
>> the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
>> products.
>>
>> They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
>> Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
>> --scott
>
>
>But that argument would only hold if they hadn't already breached that
>. The 147 can be had for 1500 or so, the 87 is about 2000, and you get
>TLMs for a little over 700. The fact that they HAVE the 147, a tube
>Neumann, at that price point, must mean they weren't too worried about
>besmearching their name. They just apparently made a mic nobody likes.
>Hmmm.

And where is the hard data that says nobody likes the M147. Come On Girls,
please let's not gossip at the expense of Neumann.


Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >,
(Tom Hartman) wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message
>...
>> Tom Hartman > wrote:
>> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
>> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
>>
>> Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
>> They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
>> the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
>> products.
>>
>> They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
>> Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
>> --scott
>
>
>But that argument would only hold if they hadn't already breached that
>. The 147 can be had for 1500 or so, the 87 is about 2000, and you get
>TLMs for a little over 700. The fact that they HAVE the 147, a tube
>Neumann, at that price point, must mean they weren't too worried about
>besmearching their name. They just apparently made a mic nobody likes.
>Hmmm.

And where is the hard data that says nobody likes the M147. Come On Girls,
please let's not gossip at the expense of Neumann.


Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Tommi > wrote:
>My understanding is that when you pay for a neumann, you usually pay for
>their work done in testing the capsules, so that only premium-quality
>components will be released. Some say that when you're buying a Neumann,
>you're actually paying for four ditched mics and the good-quality unit
>you're buying.

No, it's even better than that. Neumann uses quality machine tools so
they don't need to make a pile of crap and select out what's
palatable. All the mikes are good and all of them act like part of a
matched set because they're manufactured to close tolerances.

The price of Neumanns has basically tracked the cost of living in
Germany for as long as I can remember. That's more expensive than the
cost of 'hiring' a prisoner in China, hence their costs are higher.
While it might not matter to some, you are paying a lot for the fit
and finish of a Neumann as well.


Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Tommi > wrote:
>My understanding is that when you pay for a neumann, you usually pay for
>their work done in testing the capsules, so that only premium-quality
>components will be released. Some say that when you're buying a Neumann,
>you're actually paying for four ditched mics and the good-quality unit
>you're buying.

No, it's even better than that. Neumann uses quality machine tools so
they don't need to make a pile of crap and select out what's
palatable. All the mikes are good and all of them act like part of a
matched set because they're manufactured to close tolerances.

The price of Neumanns has basically tracked the cost of living in
Germany for as long as I can remember. That's more expensive than the
cost of 'hiring' a prisoner in China, hence their costs are higher.
While it might not matter to some, you are paying a lot for the fit
and finish of a Neumann as well.


Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Tom Hartman]

(Ty Ford) wrote in message >...
> In Article >,
> (Tom Hartman) wrote:
> (Scott Dorsey) wrote in message
> >...
> >> Tom Hartman > wrote:
> >> >Does anyone have any idea why Neumann isn't competing in the
> >> >"reasonable" category of under two thousand for a vocal tube mic>
> >>
> >> Because they don't want their name associated with lower-end products.
> >> They have a particular brand that is perceived in a particular way in
> >> the market, and they don't want to change that by introducing lower cost
> >> products.
> >>
> >> They seem to have realized what the TLM103 is doing to the name already.
> >> Notice how the price on the TLM103 has been going up an awful lot recently?
> >> --scott
> >
> >
> >But that argument would only hold if they hadn't already breached that
> >. The 147 can be had for 1500 or so, the 87 is about 2000, and you get
> >TLMs for a little over 700. The fact that they HAVE the 147, a tube
> >Neumann, at that price point, must mean they weren't too worried about
> >besmearching their name. They just apparently made a mic nobody likes.
> >Hmmm.
>
> And where is the hard data that says nobody likes the M147. Come On Girls,
> please let's not gossip at the expense of Neumann.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
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Well, I'm starting to find that a lot of folks do. It certainly hasn't
gotten rave reviews here on this forum, but as I look around
elsewhere, I find a lot of folks are using it for vocals and love it.
One vocalist who swore she would know her U67 in any mic shootout
picked the 147 ("That's my mic!") during a mix session where the
engineer didn't tell her which mic was which. So I guess it's not
hopeless for owning a tube Neumann for less than the price of a small
car;)