Recording quality of The White Stripes "Elephant"

[Ken/Eleven Shadows]

So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
was immediately apparent to her.

-Ken/Eleven Shadows
http://www.elevenshadows.com

[msparti]

"Ken/Eleven Shadows" > wrote in message
om...
> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com


Impressive. Does she have a sister?!!!? (lol)

I wish mine said, "so...let me hear what your did today" or, "lets listen
to...", or.....something. :(

[msparti]

"Ken/Eleven Shadows" > wrote in message
om...
> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com


Impressive. Does she have a sister?!!!? (lol)

I wish mine said, "so...let me hear what your did today" or, "lets listen
to...", or.....something. :(

[area242]

"msparti" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ken/Eleven Shadows" > wrote in message
> om...
> > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > was immediately apparent to her.
> >
> > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > http://www.elevenshadows.com
>
>
> Impressive. Does she have a sister?!!!? (lol)
>
> I wish mine said, "so...let me hear what your did today" or, "lets listen
> to...", or.....something. :(

LOL. After almost ten years of marriage, my wife now says things like
"What's with all the reverb on the snare?...What is this...like 1986?" and
"I really like this song...and it was produced really well..very clean".
Hehehe...I'm impressed and a little sad for her at the same time, as it
seems I may be ruining how she listens to music! Remember how you used to
listen to music before being in production? We just liked the song or we
didn't. I miss being able to ignore production things...Oh well. Is
ignorance really bliss? :-)

[area242]

"msparti" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ken/Eleven Shadows" > wrote in message
> om...
> > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > was immediately apparent to her.
> >
> > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > http://www.elevenshadows.com
>
>
> Impressive. Does she have a sister?!!!? (lol)
>
> I wish mine said, "so...let me hear what your did today" or, "lets listen
> to...", or.....something. :(

LOL. After almost ten years of marriage, my wife now says things like
"What's with all the reverb on the snare?...What is this...like 1986?" and
"I really like this song...and it was produced really well..very clean".
Hehehe...I'm impressed and a little sad for her at the same time, as it
seems I may be ruining how she listens to music! Remember how you used to
listen to music before being in production? We just liked the song or we
didn't. I miss being able to ignore production things...Oh well. Is
ignorance really bliss? :-)

[Thomas Bishop]

"area242" > wrote in message
> LOL. After almost ten years of marriage, my wife now says things like
> "What's with all the reverb on the snare?...What is this...like 1986?" and
> "I really like this song...and it was produced really well..very clean".
> Hehehe...I'm impressed and a little sad for her at the same time, as it
> seems I may be ruining how she listens to music! Remember how you used to
> listen to music before being in production? We just liked the song or we
> didn't. I miss being able to ignore production things...Oh well. Is
> ignorance really bliss? :-)

Yes, ignorance is really bliss. You're lucky; my girlfriend just said
earlier today, "I HATE the way he sings. Why do you keep listening to that
part over and over?"

[Thomas Bishop]

"area242" > wrote in message
> LOL. After almost ten years of marriage, my wife now says things like
> "What's with all the reverb on the snare?...What is this...like 1986?" and
> "I really like this song...and it was produced really well..very clean".
> Hehehe...I'm impressed and a little sad for her at the same time, as it
> seems I may be ruining how she listens to music! Remember how you used to
> listen to music before being in production? We just liked the song or we
> didn't. I miss being able to ignore production things...Oh well. Is
> ignorance really bliss? :-)

Yes, ignorance is really bliss. You're lucky; my girlfriend just said
earlier today, "I HATE the way he sings. Why do you keep listening to that
part over and over?"

[David Morley]

In article >,
(Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:

> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com

http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html

Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)

[David Morley]

In article >,
(Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:

> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com

http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html

Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)

[David Morley]

In article >,
(Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:

> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com

http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html

Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)

[Fill X]

Yes, that's a nice calrec console and a plug for my friend Mark Neill too, who
has the "Sister studio" with the same design he helped Liam with.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

[Fill X]

Yes, that's a nice calrec console and a plug for my friend Mark Neill too, who
has the "Sister studio" with the same design he helped Liam with.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

[Fill X]

Yes, that's a nice calrec console and a plug for my friend Mark Neill too, who
has the "Sister studio" with the same design he helped Liam with.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

[James Perrett]

David Morley wrote:
>
> In article >,
> (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
>
> > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > was immediately apparent to her.
> >
> > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > http://www.elevenshadows.com
>
> http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
>
> Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)

Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.

Cheers.

James.

[James Perrett]

David Morley wrote:
>
> In article >,
> (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
>
> > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > was immediately apparent to her.
> >
> > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > http://www.elevenshadows.com
>
> http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
>
> Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)

Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.

Cheers.

James.

[David Morley]

In article >,
James Perrett > wrote:

> David Morley wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> >
> > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > >
> > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> >
> > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> >
> > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
>
> Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
>
> Cheers.
>
> James.

I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.

David

[David Morley]

In article >,
James Perrett > wrote:

> David Morley wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> >
> > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > >
> > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> >
> > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> >
> > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
>
> Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
>
> Cheers.
>
> James.

I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.

David

[Prodmac]

I think it joust sounds really good. Of course the tone comes from the
White Stripes themselves but the engineer did a great job capturing and
mixing it with an old dirty vibe.
Krubb

David Morley a =E9crit :
> =

> In article >,
> James Perrett > wrote:
> =

> > David Morley wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in th=
e
> > > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better tha=
n so
> > > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-tra=
ck
> > > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Strip=
es
> > > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > > >
> > > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> > >
> > > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> > >
> > > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
> >
> > Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> > using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > James.
> =

> I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
> front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
> =

> David

[Prodmac]

I think it joust sounds really good. Of course the tone comes from the
White Stripes themselves but the engineer did a great job capturing and
mixing it with an old dirty vibe.
Krubb

David Morley a =E9crit :
> =

> In article >,
> James Perrett > wrote:
> =

> > David Morley wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in th=
e
> > > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better tha=
n so
> > > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-tra=
ck
> > > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Strip=
es
> > > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > > >
> > > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> > >
> > > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> > >
> > > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
> >
> > Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> > using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > James.
> =

> I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
> front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
> =

> David

[James Perrett]

David Morley wrote:
>
> In article >,
> James Perrett > wrote:
>
> > David Morley wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > > >
> > > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> > >
> > > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> > >
> > > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
> >
> > Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> > using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > James.
>
> I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
> front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
>
> David

I haven't heard all of the album, but from what I have heard it sounds
like much of the material that Toerag have recorded over the last 7
years or so. Toerag is one of the few studios that has a distinctive
sound and that sound stays similar despite changing equipment.

I've recorded a couple of bands that also recorded at Toerag and my
recordings sound very different to Liam's.

Cheers.

James.

[James Perrett]

David Morley wrote:
>
> In article >,
> James Perrett > wrote:
>
> > David Morley wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> > > > car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> > > > much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> > > > analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> > > > terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> > > > difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> > > > was immediately apparent to her.
> > > >
> > > > -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> > > > http://www.elevenshadows.com
> > >
> > > http://www.toeragstudios.com/cover.html
> > >
> > > Pretty decent 8 tracks though (and consoles)
> >
> > Liam was producing great results with a Tascam 38 before he started
> > using the Studer - it isn't just the gear that counts.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > James.
>
> I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
> front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
>
> David

I haven't heard all of the album, but from what I have heard it sounds
like much of the material that Toerag have recorded over the last 7
years or so. Toerag is one of the few studios that has a distinctive
sound and that sound stays similar despite changing equipment.

I've recorded a couple of bands that also recorded at Toerag and my
recordings sound very different to Liam's.

Cheers.

James.

[Blind Joni]

>I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
>front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
>

Am I wrong in assuming that everyone in this thread likes White Stripes?


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>I would say it is the white stripes that count. If you put 2 mics in
>front of them, they would sound like the white stripes.
>

Am I wrong in assuming that everyone in this thread likes White Stripes?


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[knud]

>
>So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
>car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
>much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
>analog.

Maybe this would be a good thing if they White Stripes didn't suck...


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[knud]

>
>So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
>car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
>much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
>analog.

Maybe this would be a good thing if they White Stripes didn't suck...


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[knud]

>Am I wrong in assuming that everyone in this thread likes White Stripes?

God forbid. Is this what it has come to? The 80's look better every
day...


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[knud]

>Am I wrong in assuming that everyone in this thread likes White Stripes?

God forbid. Is this what it has come to? The 80's look better every
day...


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[transducr]

(Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote in message >...
> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com

there's a nice little article in Sound On Sound this month on the
producer/engineer who did the record (and his studio). they talk a
little in the article about the media exaggerating about the whole
recording process and how almost as much of the press dealing with the
record has focused on the recording itself as on the band. they
mention stories that sort of falsify details about the studio saying
nothing in it was made after 1963 and other such things...like the
studio is the ultimate knee-jerk reaction to "modern digital
recording".

the producer/engineer whose studio it is seems to be anything but what
those stories describe. he seems like more of a "right tool for the
right job" kind of guy than some sort of analog elitist. it's a nice
read....i still haven't heard their new record, but after reading the
article and some of what's been said on this thread, i'm a little
intrigued to hear it...

[transducr]

(Ken/Eleven Shadows) wrote in message >...
> So the other day I was playing The White Stripes "Elephant" in the
> car. My girlfriend says, "This recording sounds a lot better than so
> much of the other rock stuff nowadays." It was recorded on 8-track
> analog. She knows a tiny little bit about recording, but is not
> terribly interested in the recording process. Nevertheless, the
> difference between a lot of modern recordings and The White Stripes
> was immediately apparent to her.
>
> -Ken/Eleven Shadows
> http://www.elevenshadows.com

there's a nice little article in Sound On Sound this month on the
producer/engineer who did the record (and his studio). they talk a
little in the article about the media exaggerating about the whole
recording process and how almost as much of the press dealing with the
record has focused on the recording itself as on the band. they
mention stories that sort of falsify details about the studio saying
nothing in it was made after 1963 and other such things...like the
studio is the ultimate knee-jerk reaction to "modern digital
recording".

the producer/engineer whose studio it is seems to be anything but what
those stories describe. he seems like more of a "right tool for the
right job" kind of guy than some sort of analog elitist. it's a nice
read....i still haven't heard their new record, but after reading the
article and some of what's been said on this thread, i'm a little
intrigued to hear it...

[Mike Caffrey]

I don't love the White Stripes, but this albums is much better thatn the first.

For people who want to chek it out for fideltiy, you may or may not know
that the advnace copies were on vinyl only as a method of stopping or
slowing down pirating. I got to hear a first play of the vinyl off a well
maintained turntable, thorugh a pair of MP2NVs through my monitors. It
sounded really really good and was definitely a sound I had never heard
before. When I was young and had a turntable I don't have quite the same
monitoring system.

If you can find one of the 500 copies of Elephant on vinyl, it's really
worth hearing.



www.monsterisland.com

[Mike Caffrey]

I don't love the White Stripes, but this albums is much better thatn the first.

For people who want to chek it out for fideltiy, you may or may not know
that the advnace copies were on vinyl only as a method of stopping or
slowing down pirating. I got to hear a first play of the vinyl off a well
maintained turntable, thorugh a pair of MP2NVs through my monitors. It
sounded really really good and was definitely a sound I had never heard
before. When I was young and had a turntable I don't have quite the same
monitoring system.

If you can find one of the 500 copies of Elephant on vinyl, it's really
worth hearing.



www.monsterisland.com