Anyone interested in getting a silent PC built?

[Dudleys100]

Howdy I just built a screaming system:

Asus P4C800 Deluxe
P4 2.6 800mhz FSB (overclocked to 3.4 with room to go)
1 gig of Corsair 3200 XMS dual channel ram
Matrox G550 dual head video card
40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
Antec Sonata silent case
Antec True Power silent power supply
NEC Burner DVD+-RW (burns both plus and minus DVD media)
Zalman Silent CPU fan (rated to work for the new upcoming pentium and
AMD 64 chips also)

This things is very fast and quiet. I record 3 feet from my computer
and get no bleed. I did a test the other day and I had to run 24
Reverbs (Waves Trueverb and R-verb) in order to get the CPU up to 90%
in Nuendo and that was before I had overclocked the chip.

I am not a business, but I am just impressed with this system after
looking at the other offerings out there, and thought I may be able to
help with some others looking for a good PC at a good price.

I will build another one of these for $1300 + shipping. Anything
comparable out there seems to be a good chunk over $2000. The
downside is that it will take a couple weeks to build (to get the
parts not to put together). Let me know if you are interested.
Please email me at

[Gsquared]

"Dudleys100" > wrote in message
om...
> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> Asus P4C800 Deluxe
> P4 2.6 800mhz FSB (overclocked to 3.4 with room to go)
> 1 gig of Corsair 3200 XMS dual channel ram
> Matrox G550 dual head video card
> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
> Antec Sonata silent case
> Antec True Power silent power supply
> NEC Burner DVD+-RW (burns both plus and minus DVD media)
> Zalman Silent CPU fan (rated to work for the new upcoming pentium and
> AMD 64 chips also)
>
> This things is very fast and quiet. I record 3 feet from my computer
> and get no bleed. I did a test the other day and I had to run 24
> Reverbs (Waves Trueverb and R-verb) in order to get the CPU up to 90%
> in Nuendo and that was before I had overclocked the chip.
>
> I am not a business, but I am just impressed with this system after
> looking at the other offerings out there, and thought I may be able to
> help with some others looking for a good PC at a good price.
>
> I will build another one of these for $1300 + shipping. Anything
> comparable out there seems to be a good chunk over $2000. The
> downside is that it will take a couple weeks to build (to get the
> parts not to put together). Let me know if you are interested.
> Please email me at


It's hard to beat the Zalman ball bearing CPU and case fans for being ultra
quiet. The Zalman 550w power supply is also whisper quiet.

Nice box for the buck, btw.

[Gsquared]

"Dudleys100" > wrote in message
om...
> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> Asus P4C800 Deluxe
> P4 2.6 800mhz FSB (overclocked to 3.4 with room to go)
> 1 gig of Corsair 3200 XMS dual channel ram
> Matrox G550 dual head video card
> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
> Antec Sonata silent case
> Antec True Power silent power supply
> NEC Burner DVD+-RW (burns both plus and minus DVD media)
> Zalman Silent CPU fan (rated to work for the new upcoming pentium and
> AMD 64 chips also)
>
> This things is very fast and quiet. I record 3 feet from my computer
> and get no bleed. I did a test the other day and I had to run 24
> Reverbs (Waves Trueverb and R-verb) in order to get the CPU up to 90%
> in Nuendo and that was before I had overclocked the chip.
>
> I am not a business, but I am just impressed with this system after
> looking at the other offerings out there, and thought I may be able to
> help with some others looking for a good PC at a good price.
>
> I will build another one of these for $1300 + shipping. Anything
> comparable out there seems to be a good chunk over $2000. The
> downside is that it will take a couple weeks to build (to get the
> parts not to put together). Let me know if you are interested.
> Please email me at


It's hard to beat the Zalman ball bearing CPU and case fans for being ultra
quiet. The Zalman 550w power supply is also whisper quiet.

Nice box for the buck, btw.

[Brian Takei]

Does that price include a licensed OS, or do I have to install one and
all the drivers, and then see that the hardware actually works
correctly?

Does it come with a warrantee? What are the details? Are you
authorized as an assembler/reseller, e.g. will all of the
manufacturers' warrantees be honored?

For example, if the hard drive crashes next month, do I contact you, or
Seagate, and if so, is the paperwork in my name, or yours, and will it
be honored? Even if it turns out to be bad or loose cable, will you
cover all related costs, including the labor, parts replacement and
send/return shipping of the computer for your diagnosis and repair?

If overclocking causes hardware or data damage (or if I can't overclock
to "3.4 with room to go") will I get my choice of full money back or
free damaged parts replacements for the warrantee period, and what about
my data?

If I can run 24 Reverbs, but I can't have more than 24 audio tracks
without the thing falling down, can I get my money back? If I have
PCI/USB/Firewire/bus conflicts that preclude me from doing what I want,
can I get all my money back, including send/return shipping?

If the NEC burner is spitting out 10% coasters, will you replace it with
a Plextor, and also compensate me for the wasted CDs?

If I believe you, but then the computer turns out to not be "silent"
from three feet away, can I get all my money back?


If you're not a 'business', you really might want to rethink
implementing this 'business' idea. Just a thought...

- Brian

[Brian Takei]

Does that price include a licensed OS, or do I have to install one and
all the drivers, and then see that the hardware actually works
correctly?

Does it come with a warrantee? What are the details? Are you
authorized as an assembler/reseller, e.g. will all of the
manufacturers' warrantees be honored?

For example, if the hard drive crashes next month, do I contact you, or
Seagate, and if so, is the paperwork in my name, or yours, and will it
be honored? Even if it turns out to be bad or loose cable, will you
cover all related costs, including the labor, parts replacement and
send/return shipping of the computer for your diagnosis and repair?

If overclocking causes hardware or data damage (or if I can't overclock
to "3.4 with room to go") will I get my choice of full money back or
free damaged parts replacements for the warrantee period, and what about
my data?

If I can run 24 Reverbs, but I can't have more than 24 audio tracks
without the thing falling down, can I get my money back? If I have
PCI/USB/Firewire/bus conflicts that preclude me from doing what I want,
can I get all my money back, including send/return shipping?

If the NEC burner is spitting out 10% coasters, will you replace it with
a Plextor, and also compensate me for the wasted CDs?

If I believe you, but then the computer turns out to not be "silent"
from three feet away, can I get all my money back?


If you're not a 'business', you really might want to rethink
implementing this 'business' idea. Just a thought...

- Brian

[Mike Cressey]

> I will build another one of these for $1300 + shipping.
I priced those specs on NewEgg.com and came up with $1,015.48
(althought that was for 512 MB of memory).

That's not a bad price you're charging, because you'd pay $50 - $75 to
have the parts shipped to you from NewEgg. However, one could build a
cheaper system than this for sure.

Mike

[Mike Cressey]

> I will build another one of these for $1300 + shipping.
I priced those specs on NewEgg.com and came up with $1,015.48
(althought that was for 512 MB of memory).

That's not a bad price you're charging, because you'd pay $50 - $75 to
have the parts shipped to you from NewEgg. However, one could build a
cheaper system than this for sure.

Mike

[Pooh Bear]

Dudleys100 wrote:

> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)

The Barracudas are certainly fast. Sadly I had a bad experience with
several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died. Sure
they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me feel
comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.

Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum, shame
they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off most other
drives available at the time too.


Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Dudleys100 wrote:

> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)

The Barracudas are certainly fast. Sadly I had a bad experience with
several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died. Sure
they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me feel
comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.

Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum, shame
they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off most other
drives available at the time too.


Graham

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Howdy I just built a screaming system:

Sorry 'bout that. I thought you were aiming for a quiet system.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Howdy I just built a screaming system:

Sorry 'bout that. I thought you were aiming for a quiet system.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[Arny Krueger]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message

> Dudleys100 wrote:
>
>> Howdy I just built a screaming system:

>> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
>> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)

> The Barracudas are certainly fast.

I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options of
a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below) is
mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.

Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.

>Sadly I had a bad experience with
> several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died.
> Sure they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me
> feel comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.

I install hard drives by the dozen. I replace a defective drive maybe once a
week. IME nobody makes perfectly reliable drives, and in the long haul,
there isn't a gross difference in reliability among the major vendors.

....that's why we back up our data on removable media.

> Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum,
> shame they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off
> most other drives available at the time too.

IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his system.
I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less than
dramatic.

[Arny Krueger]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message

> Dudleys100 wrote:
>
>> Howdy I just built a screaming system:

>> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
>> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)

> The Barracudas are certainly fast.

I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options of
a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below) is
mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.

Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.

>Sadly I had a bad experience with
> several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died.
> Sure they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me
> feel comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.

I install hard drives by the dozen. I replace a defective drive maybe once a
week. IME nobody makes perfectly reliable drives, and in the long haul,
there isn't a gross difference in reliability among the major vendors.

....that's why we back up our data on removable media.

> Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum,
> shame they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off
> most other drives available at the time too.

IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his system.
I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less than
dramatic.

[Arny Krueger]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message

> Dudleys100 wrote:
>
>> Howdy I just built a screaming system:

>> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
>> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)

> The Barracudas are certainly fast.

I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options of
a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below) is
mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.

Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.

>Sadly I had a bad experience with
> several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died.
> Sure they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me
> feel comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.

I install hard drives by the dozen. I replace a defective drive maybe once a
week. IME nobody makes perfectly reliable drives, and in the long haul,
there isn't a gross difference in reliability among the major vendors.

....that's why we back up our data on removable media.

> Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum,
> shame they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off
> most other drives available at the time too.

IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his system.
I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less than
dramatic.

[reddred]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>
> > Dudleys100 wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> >> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> >> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
>
> > The Barracudas are certainly fast.
>
> I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options
of
> a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below)
is
> mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
> manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.
>

The seagates are marginally quieter, if that matters in the face of fan and
ps noise.

> Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.
>

They make more money building drives and parts for other companies. They
tried to undercut all their customers, who have insanely low margins to
begin with.


> IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his
system.
> I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
> difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less
than
> dramatic.
>

It also allows you to put the data drive in a mobile rack if desired.

jb

[reddred]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>
> > Dudleys100 wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> >> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> >> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
>
> > The Barracudas are certainly fast.
>
> I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options
of
> a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below)
is
> mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
> manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.
>

The seagates are marginally quieter, if that matters in the face of fan and
ps noise.

> Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.
>

They make more money building drives and parts for other companies. They
tried to undercut all their customers, who have insanely low margins to
begin with.


> IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his
system.
> I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
> difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less
than
> dramatic.
>

It also allows you to put the data drive in a mobile rack if desired.

jb

[Pooh Bear]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>
> > Dudleys100 wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> >> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> >> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
>
> > The Barracudas are certainly fast.
>
> I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options of
> a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below) is
> mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
> manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.

The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for video ) .

>
> Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.
>
> >Sadly I had a bad experience with
> > several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died.
> > Sure they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me
> > feel comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.
>
> I install hard drives by the dozen. I replace a defective drive maybe once a
> week. IME nobody makes perfectly reliable drives, and in the long haul,
> there isn't a gross difference in reliability among the major vendors.
>

I don't have that level of experience of hard drives, although as techical
manager of a film / video non-linear editing dry-hire business I had experience
of the long term reliability of maybe 80-100 media drives and a dozen or so
system drives. I think *every* system drive was Quantum and none ever failed,
although we pulled a few to replace them with larger ones.

Micropolis *was* a major vendor once - indeed, at the time, they made an big
thing about their 'AV' drives being *best* at that. Look what happened to them !
I suspect that a few of the old Micropolis 5-1/4 inch full height 3.6 gig drives
are prolly still ok but everything else larger went tits up. At leat the 3.5
inch drives were predictable - you could hear the bearings going. The company
I'm currently with just lost a Microp 4 gig scsi drive in its file server - same
symptoms !

It hurts somehow having to throw a drive into the skip that may have cost about
£1000 at the time. At least drives are cheap now.

>
> ...that's why we back up our data on removable media.

Hmmm - it's wise not to mention Exabyte to me. This is long b4 large capacity
optical media.

Had any experience of DLT ?

>
> > Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum,
> > shame they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off
> > most other drives available at the time too.
>
> IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his system.

Always a good idea - I'm currently building a system with mirrored drives ( just
in case ) .

> I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
> difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less than
> dramatic.

Only did it b4 using my old 486/133 PC on W3.1 - but using a separate drive for
the swap file really helps. The speed that system runs at still surprises me
compared to 300-500MHz Pentiums on W98.

Just currently thinking of dropping a small spare drive into the current PC
dedicated to the swap file.


Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>
> > Dudleys100 wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy I just built a screaming system:
>
> >> 40 gig 7200 Seagate Barracuda (system drive)
> >> 120 gig SATA 7200 Seagate Barracuda (audio drive)
>
> > The Barracudas are certainly fast.
>
> I'm not aware of a dramatic difference in DTR among popular drive options of
> a given size, running at 7200 rpm. Computer audio done right (see below) is
> mostly about DTR. Hard drives are a competitive business, and any drive
> manufacturer that can't keep up suffers badly.

The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for video ) .

>
> Object lesson of this year - IBM's exit from the PC hard drive market.
>
> >Sadly I had a bad experience with
> > several of them ( SCSI drives too ) - just went belly up and died.
> > Sure they were under warranty and were replaced - but didn't make me
> > feel comfortable about putting important data on them. YMMV.
>
> I install hard drives by the dozen. I replace a defective drive maybe once a
> week. IME nobody makes perfectly reliable drives, and in the long haul,
> there isn't a gross difference in reliability among the major vendors.
>

I don't have that level of experience of hard drives, although as techical
manager of a film / video non-linear editing dry-hire business I had experience
of the long term reliability of maybe 80-100 media drives and a dozen or so
system drives. I think *every* system drive was Quantum and none ever failed,
although we pulled a few to replace them with larger ones.

Micropolis *was* a major vendor once - indeed, at the time, they made an big
thing about their 'AV' drives being *best* at that. Look what happened to them !
I suspect that a few of the old Micropolis 5-1/4 inch full height 3.6 gig drives
are prolly still ok but everything else larger went tits up. At leat the 3.5
inch drives were predictable - you could hear the bearings going. The company
I'm currently with just lost a Microp 4 gig scsi drive in its file server - same
symptoms !

It hurts somehow having to throw a drive into the skip that may have cost about
£1000 at the time. At least drives are cheap now.

>
> ...that's why we back up our data on removable media.

Hmmm - it's wise not to mention Exabyte to me. This is long b4 large capacity
optical media.

Had any experience of DLT ?

>
> > Oh - btw - only system drive I've known never to fail was Quantum,
> > shame they were bought up. The Fireballs beat the living pants off
> > most other drives available at the time too.
>
> IME what Dudley unquestionably did right is put two drives into his system.

Always a good idea - I'm currently building a system with mirrored drives ( just
in case ) .

> I can't speak for software other than what I use (Adobe Audition) but the
> difference between running on one drive and two drives is nothing less than
> dramatic.

Only did it b4 using my old 486/133 PC on W3.1 - but using a separate drive for
the swap file really helps. The speed that system runs at still surprises me
compared to 300-500MHz Pentiums on W98.

Just currently thinking of dropping a small spare drive into the current PC
dedicated to the swap file.


Graham

[W. Williams]

"Pooh Bear" wrote:

> The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for
video ) .


You must mean Cheetahs - Barracudas are 7200 RPM.

W

[W. Williams]

"Pooh Bear" wrote:

> The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for
video ) .


You must mean Cheetahs - Barracudas are 7200 RPM.

W

[Pooh Bear]

"W. Williams" wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" wrote:
>
> > The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for
> video ) .
>
> You must mean Cheetahs - Barracudas are 7200 RPM.

Nope.

Barracuda 4's ? from memory. 80 pin SCSI. That's Ultra Wide isn't it ?
With 16 devices per channel instead of 8, i.e. 4 bit device addressing
instead of 3 bit. And 16 bit data too.

There's so many 'flavours' of SCSI since it arrived it gets tricky
sometimes. Early Apples used a 25 pin D for their SCSI connection.
Personally I liked the 50 pin 'Centronics' connection. You knew where you
stood then and no chance of bent pins !

Avid supplied them. It was a standard Seagate drive but Avid claimed that
they tweaked the controller chip.

This *is* from memory but I'm 99.9999% certain of my facts.


Cheers, Graham

[Pooh Bear]

"W. Williams" wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" wrote:
>
> > The Barracudas I was referring to were 10,000 rpm drives ( used for
> video ) .
>
> You must mean Cheetahs - Barracudas are 7200 RPM.

Nope.

Barracuda 4's ? from memory. 80 pin SCSI. That's Ultra Wide isn't it ?
With 16 devices per channel instead of 8, i.e. 4 bit device addressing
instead of 3 bit. And 16 bit data too.

There's so many 'flavours' of SCSI since it arrived it gets tricky
sometimes. Early Apples used a 25 pin D for their SCSI connection.
Personally I liked the 50 pin 'Centronics' connection. You knew where you
stood then and no chance of bent pins !

Avid supplied them. It was a standard Seagate drive but Avid claimed that
they tweaked the controller chip.

This *is* from memory but I'm 99.9999% certain of my facts.


Cheers, Graham

[Dudleys100]

Howdy,
Gee you don't check a thread for a couple days and it becomes a
mountain. I guess I should explain myself a bit better. I didn't
mean to cause any ruffled feathers. As far as my motives go, they are
this: I built a system by researching every part on as many sights as
I could to find what would be the most reliable and best suited for
audio and as quiet as possible in my room so I could record here when
I need to get something done fast trying to capture fresh ideas,
instead of running up to the studio. This computer when finnished was
just what I was looking for, it is fast reliable and quiet. I know of
a lot of people that are looking for this but in order to buy one from
Dell or someplace similar it is very expensive (the ones I priced out
were generally over double of what it cost me). Now, I have built a
few systems and have researched a lot therefore that does not make me
an expert in the art, but I CAN build them. Now there are many of you
who build your own systems and have no need to shell out big bucks to
a company to do it for you. Many others would like a good system but
don't know how to build one, and don't have the money for a custom
built, or brand name. I am just saying that if you want I will build
one for you. If I was trying to make a buck I would tell everyone I
was building the "BEST COMPUTER IN THE WORLD" and then put utter crap
inside it and make it quiet. I listed every componant so that anyone
who wants to built a great system can go do it themselves or have me
build one for them if they can't. Price wise, the $1015 mentioned
earlier is probably for all OEM stuff. Some of the stuff I use would
be OEM whereas others would be retail like the CPU, and Motherboard.
CPU because of the 3 year warranty, and the Motherboard because of the
cables, and plate for the back of the computer. Also the extra ram is
another $120, so the new total is $1135. Mine came closer to $1200,
(however I see that prices have already dropped a bit since 2 weeks
ago). which means someone pays $100 ($1300-$1200)for the shipping
($30ish) of the computer, the packing materials, time to buy, time to
put together, test, and pack up. I make about minimum wage, and you
get what you want.

I must admit I didn't look into the transfer of the warranties, which
will cause a problem. With that in mind I think someone would be best
to go buy all the parts and pay a local computer tech to put it
together so that you can have all the warranty info.

So thats my story, no harm intended, but I didn't go through all the
details I should have before offering. I suppose if someone wanted to
buy the innards, I could put them together in the case here and send
them back, just charging for my time. Then they would have the
warranties from the company and my per hour cost would beat most
computer stores even after $30 shipping. But hey find a computer nerd
buddy and he will probably do it for a spicy chicken burrito from Taco
Bell :)

[Dudleys100]

Howdy,
Gee you don't check a thread for a couple days and it becomes a
mountain. I guess I should explain myself a bit better. I didn't
mean to cause any ruffled feathers. As far as my motives go, they are
this: I built a system by researching every part on as many sights as
I could to find what would be the most reliable and best suited for
audio and as quiet as possible in my room so I could record here when
I need to get something done fast trying to capture fresh ideas,
instead of running up to the studio. This computer when finnished was
just what I was looking for, it is fast reliable and quiet. I know of
a lot of people that are looking for this but in order to buy one from
Dell or someplace similar it is very expensive (the ones I priced out
were generally over double of what it cost me). Now, I have built a
few systems and have researched a lot therefore that does not make me
an expert in the art, but I CAN build them. Now there are many of you
who build your own systems and have no need to shell out big bucks to
a company to do it for you. Many others would like a good system but
don't know how to build one, and don't have the money for a custom
built, or brand name. I am just saying that if you want I will build
one for you. If I was trying to make a buck I would tell everyone I
was building the "BEST COMPUTER IN THE WORLD" and then put utter crap
inside it and make it quiet. I listed every componant so that anyone
who wants to built a great system can go do it themselves or have me
build one for them if they can't. Price wise, the $1015 mentioned
earlier is probably for all OEM stuff. Some of the stuff I use would
be OEM whereas others would be retail like the CPU, and Motherboard.
CPU because of the 3 year warranty, and the Motherboard because of the
cables, and plate for the back of the computer. Also the extra ram is
another $120, so the new total is $1135. Mine came closer to $1200,
(however I see that prices have already dropped a bit since 2 weeks
ago). which means someone pays $100 ($1300-$1200)for the shipping
($30ish) of the computer, the packing materials, time to buy, time to
put together, test, and pack up. I make about minimum wage, and you
get what you want.

I must admit I didn't look into the transfer of the warranties, which
will cause a problem. With that in mind I think someone would be best
to go buy all the parts and pay a local computer tech to put it
together so that you can have all the warranty info.

So thats my story, no harm intended, but I didn't go through all the
details I should have before offering. I suppose if someone wanted to
buy the innards, I could put them together in the case here and send
them back, just charging for my time. Then they would have the
warranties from the company and my per hour cost would beat most
computer stores even after $30 shipping. But hey find a computer nerd
buddy and he will probably do it for a spicy chicken burrito from Taco
Bell :)

[Tom Paul]

(Dudleys100) wrote in message >...
> Howdy,
> Gee you don't check a thread for a couple days and it becomes a
> mountain. I guess I should explain myself a bit better. I didn't
> mean to cause any ruffled feathers. As far as my motives go, they are
> this: I built a system by researching every part on as many sights as


Hey Dudley,
I respect your motives and ideas. I have been buying DAWs from people
like the defunct "Soundchaser" and "Advanced Design". I'll tell you
where you might run into trouble, and why I spent the extra $200-300
or so rather than build my own...TECH SUPPORT. It's key, I'm not a
geek, I am a songwriter and guitar player with basic recording skills.
So, think it through before you build a unit and ship it. After the
customer installs the Wave Gold Bundle and it won't shut down
properly...Do you want to deal with that ****???

BTW>>>your system sounds awesome. I may upgrade a few components on
my DAW to quiet it down soon and I'll look at your ideas.


Tom

[Tom Paul]

(Dudleys100) wrote in message >...
> Howdy,
> Gee you don't check a thread for a couple days and it becomes a
> mountain. I guess I should explain myself a bit better. I didn't
> mean to cause any ruffled feathers. As far as my motives go, they are
> this: I built a system by researching every part on as many sights as


Hey Dudley,
I respect your motives and ideas. I have been buying DAWs from people
like the defunct "Soundchaser" and "Advanced Design". I'll tell you
where you might run into trouble, and why I spent the extra $200-300
or so rather than build my own...TECH SUPPORT. It's key, I'm not a
geek, I am a songwriter and guitar player with basic recording skills.
So, think it through before you build a unit and ship it. After the
customer installs the Wave Gold Bundle and it won't shut down
properly...Do you want to deal with that ****???

BTW>>>your system sounds awesome. I may upgrade a few components on
my DAW to quiet it down soon and I'll look at your ideas.


Tom

[Dudleys100]

>
> BTW>>>your system sounds awesome. I may upgrade a few components on
> my DAW to quiet it down soon and I'll look at your ideas.
>
>
> Tom

I keep up on the current things coming out also, so if you have any
questions when the time comes shoot me an email, and I will fill ya in
on what I have found out. Thanks for the info, I agree.

[Dudleys100]

>
> BTW>>>your system sounds awesome. I may upgrade a few components on
> my DAW to quiet it down soon and I'll look at your ideas.
>
>
> Tom

I keep up on the current things coming out also, so if you have any
questions when the time comes shoot me an email, and I will fill ya in
on what I have found out. Thanks for the info, I agree.

[Romeo Rondeau]

"Dudleys100" > wrote in message
om...
> Howdy,
> Gee you don't check a thread for a couple days and it becomes a
> mountain. I guess I should explain myself a bit better. I didn't
> mean to cause any ruffled feathers. As far as my motives go, they are
> this: I built a system by researching every part on as many sights as
> I could to find what would be the most reliable and best suited for
> audio and as quiet as possible in my room so I could record here when
> I need to get something done fast trying to capture fresh ideas,
> instead of running up to the studio. This computer when finnished was
> just what I was looking for, it is fast reliable and quiet. I know of
> a lot of people that are looking for this but in order to buy one from
> Dell or someplace similar it is very expensive (the ones I priced out

Thanks for posting it, Dudley. Some folks in here are real assholes. Don't
take it personally. I'm gonna look into your fan and power supply choices.

[Mike Cressey]

>I didn't mean to cause any ruffled feathers.
You didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I'm concerned.

>As far as my motives go
Your motives were clear to me on the 1st post, i.e., I thought you
were offering a pretty good deal.

However, what would have happened if 100 people had responded to your
offer? You'd have to start a "real" business :-)

As for the warranties, the way I would handle this is for the person
buying the computer to have ordered the parts (you'd tell them what
parts) & then have them shipped to you. You assemble the computer &
ship it back.

As for buying extended tech. service, I never purchase that when I buy
computers from Dell, etc. Computers either work or they don't.
Extended warranties or tech. support don't pay, IMHO, so I never get
them.

Mike

[Brian Takei]

Romeo Rondeau ) wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting it, Dudley. Some folks in here are real assholes. Don't
> take it personally. I'm gonna look into your fan and power supply choices.

And some folks are real sensitive.

Dudley, I'm glad you posted your specs too (wish more people would), and
it seems like a useful nod toward a power supply that I've considered
but never used/heard. I'd also be interested in hearing how your system
has performed after it's had a few hundred hours of actual work, which
is when all your research and build efforts really pay off.

Carry on,
- Brian

---
Computationally stable with:

mobo: Asus P4B533-E (Intel 845E chipset)
w/ onboard:
Lan = Intel 10/100 (82562ET)
USB 2.0 = Intel 82801DB
IEEE 1394/Firewire = NEC PD72874GC
RAID = Promise PDC20276
audio = C-Media CMI8738
cpu: Intel 2.0 GHz P4 Northwood
mem: Crucial CT6472Z265 & CT1672Z265 DDR/ECC (512+128=640MB)
audio: RME Multiface
hdd: system = Maxtor 6L040L2 (40 gig)
data = Maxtor 6L080L4 & 6Y120L0 (80 & 120 gig)
cd: ASUS CD-S520/A
cdrw: HP 9200i SCSI
scsi: Adaptec 2910B
flpy: Mitsumi D359M3D
video: Matrox G400 DualHead
mntr: 19" Princeton AGX900; 17" Dell D1028L
case: Antec SX1040BII (w/ stock/loud SL400 power supply)
os: Windows XP Pro
System Commander 7

[reddred]

"Romeo Rondeau" > wrote in message
...
>

> Thanks for posting it, Dudley. Some folks in here are real assholes. Don't
> take it personally. I'm gonna look into your fan and power supply choices.
>

Word is that the antec true power's have a high failure rate. Nothing beats
a closet for noise reduction.

jb

[Brian Takei]

Dudleys100 ) wrote:
>
> I keep up on the current things coming out also, so if you have any
> questions when the time comes shoot me an email, and I will fill ya in
> on what I have found out. Thanks for the info, I agree.


BTW, through tomorrow/Saturday the 11th, Best Buy has a $70 rebate offer
which nets a Barracuda Seagate Barracuda 120 gig drive for $79 after
rebate (149-70). This is one of the newer 7200.7 Plus models with the
8MB buffer, and I believe a 3 year warrantee (though BBuy product
details states one year). Search for ST3120026A at
http://www.bestbuy.com

- Brian

[Romeo Rondeau]

People get that way when you roast them over an open fire, Brian.

> And some folks are real sensitive.

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> BTW, through tomorrow/Saturday the 11th, Best Buy has a $70 rebate offer
> which nets a Barracuda Seagate Barracuda 120 gig drive for $79 after
> rebate (149-70).

I've been buying the similar drive from Maxtor at the same price (with
rebate) for my Mackie HDR24/96. In addition to it working fine, I'm so
impressed with how quiet it is that this is my current drive of
preference.

I know that just about every disk drive manufacturer is owned by some
other disk drive manufacturer these days, and I thought there was a
direct connection between Maxtor and Segate. I wonder if it's the same
drive in a different box. I don't know why (other than name
recognition) - Best Buy sells both brands, though usually not at the
same time. Some weeks they have one, other weeks they have the other.

Have hard drives of this class become enough of a commodity that it
no longer really matters which one you use?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[balt4house]

Brian Takei > wrote in
.net:

-snip-

> Carry on,
> - Brian
>
> ---
> Computationally stable with:
>
> mobo: Asus P4B533-E (Intel 845E chipset)
> w/ onboard:
> Lan = Intel 10/100 (82562ET)
> USB 2.0 = Intel 82801DB
> IEEE 1394/Firewire = NEC PD72874GC
> RAID = Promise PDC20276
> audio = C-Media CMI8738
> cpu: Intel 2.0 GHz P4 Northwood
> mem: Crucial CT6472Z265 & CT1672Z265 DDR/ECC (512+128=640MB)
> audio: RME Multiface
> hdd: system = Maxtor 6L040L2 (40 gig)
> data = Maxtor 6L080L4 & 6Y120L0 (80 & 120 gig)
> cd: ASUS CD-S520/A
> cdrw: HP 9200i SCSI
> scsi: Adaptec 2910B
> flpy: Mitsumi D359M3D
> video: Matrox G400 DualHead
> mntr: 19" Princeton AGX900; 17" Dell D1028L
> case: Antec SX1040BII (w/ stock/loud SL400 power supply)
> os: Windows XP Pro
> System Commander 7

Incredibly similar to the systems we've been building (outside of the RME
and using Western Digital for the "data" HDs.

I am so pleased with these set-ups that even when we've been pushing them
I'm wary of an "upgrade" because they've been so stable.

-G

[Brian Takei]

balt4house ) wrote:
> Incredibly similar to the systems we've been building (outside of the RME
> and using Western Digital for the "data" HDs.
>
> I am so pleased with these set-ups that even when we've been pushing them
> I'm wary of an "upgrade" because they've been so stable.

I hear ya. Companies such a RME do provide specs on their 'Reference
PCs', which can be a useful resource.

- Brian

[Brian Takei]

Mike Rivers ) wrote:
> Have hard drives of this class become enough of a commodity that it
> no longer really matters which one you use?

I think it still depends on what matters to you. Performance varies
somewhat, and loudness can vary quite a bit, but perhaps those are the
criteria you refer to by "this class". There can also be a difference
in the length of warrantees, and as they make drives bigger, faster, and
cheaper, don't count on reliablity to be in the same boat. As always,
no warrantee exists that matters as much as a regular backups.

- Brian

[Brian Takei]

Romeo Rondeau ) wrote:
> People get that way when you roast them over an open fire, Brian.
>
> > And some folks are real sensitive.

If you're saying that happened to Dudley in this thread, I'll agree to
disagree. In any case, Dudley seems to have gotten through it fine with
his good intentions intact, so perhaps it's best to let references to
assholes and flames rest.

- Brian

[Romeo Rondeau]

Deal :-) Wait.... who mentioned flames?

> If you're saying that happened to Dudley in this thread, I'll agree to
> disagree. In any case, Dudley seems to have gotten through it fine with
> his good intentions intact, so perhaps it's best to let references to
> assholes and flames rest.
>
> - Brian

[Dudleys100]

Howdy, I had never heard about the Antec failure's, I will keep an eye
out. I ended up switching out the PS with a Seasonic Super Silencer
400. it honestly wasn't much more quiet but I think there was a
little less on the fan in the back. Almost sounds like it is spinning
slower. anyway the problem is that they are $100 as apposed to $50 so
it is a small improvement for a little gain, but I had it from a trade
so it worked out. I had heard the new Seagates were louder than the
old 4's and that barracuda 5's were also noisier (however there is a
"fix" for the unit that makes it as quiet as the old ones), but after
trying out a 160 SATA and my 40 (Barracuda 4) there is not much of a
difference. When it really starts to spin up I can tell a difference
but it is still quieter than my old Western digitals. Anyhow, I
didn't feel like I was being roasted, but I do feel there was some
correction that was good for me to hear. Nothing was a real roasting,
just good points driven home. Thanks.