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NewYorkDave
October 6th 03, 12:59 AM
Looking for Robert Orban's article on panpots... Found some references
to it online, but so far not the actual article. Can you help? Thanks.

LeBaron & Alrich
October 6th 03, 01:30 AM
NewYorkDave wrote:

> Looking for Robert Orban's article on panpots... Found some references
> to it online, but so far not the actual article. Can you help? Thanks.

http://www.music.miami.edu/programs/Mue/mue2003/research/jwest/Reference
_List/Reference_List.html

38. Orban, Robert. 1971. Notes on panpots. J. Audio Eng. Soc. 19
(11): 936-939.


Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.

Hit the AES wbsite.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

LeBaron & Alrich
October 6th 03, 01:30 AM
NewYorkDave wrote:

> Looking for Robert Orban's article on panpots... Found some references
> to it online, but so far not the actual article. Can you help? Thanks.

http://www.music.miami.edu/programs/Mue/mue2003/research/jwest/Reference
_List/Reference_List.html

38. Orban, Robert. 1971. Notes on panpots. J. Audio Eng. Soc. 19
(11): 936-939.


Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.

Hit the AES wbsite.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

NewYorkDave
October 6th 03, 02:29 PM
(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
> Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.
>
> Hit the AES wbsite.

Ugh, I was afraid of that. I don't mind paying the 5 bucks, but
they're not very good about delivering in a timely fashion. I usually
have to write and pester them before I get the PDF.

Thanks.

Scott Dorsey
October 6th 03, 02:53 PM
NewYorkDave > wrote:
(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
>> Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.
>>
>> Hit the AES wbsite.
>
>Ugh, I was afraid of that. I don't mind paying the 5 bucks, but
>they're not very good about delivering in a timely fashion. I usually
>have to write and pester them before I get the PDF.

Try your local library. If you're in NY, the city library definitely has
the JAES going way back. It's worth it just to pull a couple issues from
the seventies and spend the afternoon looking through them. Lots of fun.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Eberhard Sengpiel
October 6th 03, 04:45 PM
NewYorkDave > wrote<
> Looking for Robert Orban's article on panpots...
> Found some references to it online, but so far not
> the actual article. Can you help? Thanks.


The actual article by Robert Orban, "Notes on Panpots"
you find in the JAES, Dec 1971, vol 10, p. 936 ff.

Cheers

Eberhard Sengpiel
German forum of microphone recordings
and sound studio techniques
http://www.sengpielaudio.com

NewYorkDave
October 6th 03, 07:41 PM
I'm about 70 miles north of the city, but I'll be in town this Friday
for AES. If the convention isn't entertaining enough, maybe I'll hit
up the library.

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> NewYorkDave > wrote:
> (LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
> >> Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.
> >>
> >> Hit the AES wbsite.
> >
> >Ugh, I was afraid of that. I don't mind paying the 5 bucks, but
> >they're not very good about delivering in a timely fashion. I usually
> >have to write and pester them before I get the PDF.
>
> Try your local library. If you're in NY, the city library definitely has
> the JAES going way back. It's worth it just to pull a couple issues from
> the seventies and spend the afternoon looking through them. Lots of fun.
> --scott

NewYorkDave
October 6th 03, 07:41 PM
I'm about 70 miles north of the city, but I'll be in town this Friday
for AES. If the convention isn't entertaining enough, maybe I'll hit
up the library.

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> NewYorkDave > wrote:
> (LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
> >> Looks like it's an AES deal, probably available as a reprint.
> >>
> >> Hit the AES wbsite.
> >
> >Ugh, I was afraid of that. I don't mind paying the 5 bucks, but
> >they're not very good about delivering in a timely fashion. I usually
> >have to write and pester them before I get the PDF.
>
> Try your local library. If you're in NY, the city library definitely has
> the JAES going way back. It's worth it just to pull a couple issues from
> the seventies and spend the afternoon looking through them. Lots of fun.
> --scott

Justin Ulysses Morse
October 7th 03, 07:59 AM
NewYorkDave > wrote:

> I'm about 70 miles north of the city, but I'll be in town this Friday
> for AES. If the convention isn't entertaining enough, maybe I'll hit
> up the library.


I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.

ulysses

Justin Ulysses Morse
October 7th 03, 07:59 AM
NewYorkDave > wrote:

> I'm about 70 miles north of the city, but I'll be in town this Friday
> for AES. If the convention isn't entertaining enough, maybe I'll hit
> up the library.


I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.

ulysses

Justin Ulysses Morse
October 7th 03, 07:59 AM
NewYorkDave > wrote:

> I'm about 70 miles north of the city, but I'll be in town this Friday
> for AES. If the convention isn't entertaining enough, maybe I'll hit
> up the library.


I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.

ulysses

NewYorkDave
October 7th 03, 09:11 PM
Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
> I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.

Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)

NewYorkDave
October 7th 03, 09:11 PM
Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
> I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.

Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)

Justin Ulysses Morse
October 8th 03, 06:14 AM
NewYorkDave > wrote:

> Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
> > I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.
>
> Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
> feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
> he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)


Okay, that's true, but I continue to be amazed out how he's made
himself available here and given some fantastic commentary about
products that haven't been built in decades. That's what keeps Orban
in my racks every bit as much as the cool blue faceplates (I painted my
control room to match).

ulysses

Justin Ulysses Morse
October 8th 03, 06:14 AM
NewYorkDave > wrote:

> Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
> > I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.
>
> Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
> feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
> he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)


Okay, that's true, but I continue to be amazed out how he's made
himself available here and given some fantastic commentary about
products that haven't been built in decades. That's what keeps Orban
in my racks every bit as much as the cool blue faceplates (I painted my
control room to match).

ulysses

NewYorkDave
October 8th 03, 04:43 PM
I have a fair amount of blue Orban stuff at home, and I bought two new
8200ST's for work. It's all great stuff. I love the Orban manuals,
both new and old. How many manufacturers give you a schematic and
circuit description anymore?


Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> I continue to be amazed out how he's made
> himself available here and given some fantastic commentary about
> products that haven't been built in decades. That's what keeps Orban
> in my racks every bit as much as the cool blue faceplates (I painted my
> control room to match).
>
> ulysses

NewYorkDave
October 8th 03, 04:43 PM
I have a fair amount of blue Orban stuff at home, and I bought two new
8200ST's for work. It's all great stuff. I love the Orban manuals,
both new and old. How many manufacturers give you a schematic and
circuit description anymore?


Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message >...
> I continue to be amazed out how he's made
> himself available here and given some fantastic commentary about
> products that haven't been built in decades. That's what keeps Orban
> in my racks every bit as much as the cool blue faceplates (I painted my
> control room to match).
>
> ulysses

Robert Orban
October 9th 03, 02:31 AM
I won't be in New York, but, if you asked me what I wrote 32 years ago,
you'd doubtless get a "hmmm...I think I vaguely remember that..." :-)

Seriously, the best thing to do is to look up the engineering brief up
at the library or order it from the AES website (they can always use the
financial support). It has all of the equations necessary to design a
pan pot using a single pot with a grounded center-tap, along with graphs
showing the power summation error as a function of panning position.
IIRC, the peak summation error is 0.18 dB, so the circuit works very
well for its intended purpose.

If I need the info, _I'd_ have to look it up.

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
>> I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.
>
>Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
>feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
>he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)

Robert Orban
October 9th 03, 02:31 AM
I won't be in New York, but, if you asked me what I wrote 32 years ago,
you'd doubtless get a "hmmm...I think I vaguely remember that..." :-)

Seriously, the best thing to do is to look up the engineering brief up
at the library or order it from the AES website (they can always use the
financial support). It has all of the equations necessary to design a
pan pot using a single pot with a grounded center-tap, along with graphs
showing the power summation error as a function of panning position.
IIRC, the peak summation error is 0.18 dB, so the circuit works very
well for its intended purpose.

If I need the info, _I'd_ have to look it up.

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Justin Ulysses Morse > wrote in message
>> I bet you can just walk up to Bob and ask him what he wrote.
>
>Well, if I see him and he doesn't look too busy, maybe I will. I just
>feel bad harrassing the guy about a paper he wrote 32 years ago while
>he's at a convention trying to sell new products ;)