wireless mic - two receivers

[Carey Carlan]

I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
microphone?

It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:42:08 -0400, Carey Carlan wrote
(in article >):

> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> microphone?
>
> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

No. It might help to have the receivers a bit apart, though.

Regards,

Ty Ford


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[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
...
>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always
> a
> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> microphone?

No.

Two transmitters operating on the same frequency at the same time in the
same place would of course be a problem.

> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

You seem to understand the hidden gotcha, getting a receiver that run in the
right frequency sub-band.

[Steve King]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
>> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always
>> a
>> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
>> microphone?
>
> No.
>
> Two transmitters operating on the same frequency at the same time in the
> same place would of course be a problem.
>
>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
>> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>
> You seem to understand the hidden gotcha, getting a receiver that run in
> the right frequency sub-band.

Having a receiver that covers the proper frequency is only part of the
solution. There is likely another issue. Wireless microphone transmitters
compress the audio in order to increase the signal to noise ratio. The
companion receiver has a circuit that expands the audio, essentially undoing
what the transmitter has done, returning the audio to 'normal'. Make sure
the receivers you're looking at on Ebay are compatible with the G2
transmitter.

Steve King

[Charles Tomaras]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
...
>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always
> a
> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> microphone?
>
> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>

Thinking it would be cheaper and less of a headache to just buy a spare mic
splitter with a decent length split and wire it in permanently assuming the
Emcee generally uses the same input and the console is a permanent install.

[hank alrich]

Carey Carlan > wrote:

> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> microphone?
>
> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

Aren't there two outputs on the existing receiver? IIRC, those have both
balanced and an unbalanced outputs that can be used simultaneously.

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[Carey Carlan]

(hank alrich) wrote in
:

> Carey Carlan > wrote:
>
>> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>> wireless microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic
>> splitter is always a pain. Is there any gotcha to having two
>> wireless receivers for the same microphone?
>>
>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>
> Aren't there two outputs on the existing receiver? IIRC, those have
> both balanced and an unbalanced outputs that can be used
> simultaneously.

Neither of us want the unbalanced output in the RF chaos of Atlanta.

[Carey Carlan]

Ty Ford > wrote in
al.NET:

> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:42:08 -0400, Carey Carlan wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>> wireless microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic
>> splitter is always a pain. Is there any gotcha to having two
>> wireless receivers for the same microphone?
>>
>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>
> No. It might help to have the receivers a bit apart, though.

Not a problem. We'll be at opposite ends of the building. The church
hasn't realized that you want your wireless receiver as close to the stage
as possible, then run a wire to FOH.

[Carey Carlan]

"Steve King" > wrote in
:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>>>wireless
>>> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is
>>> always a
>>> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the
>>> same microphone?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Two transmitters operating on the same frequency at the same time in
>> the same place would of course be a problem.
>>
>>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>>
>> You seem to understand the hidden gotcha, getting a receiver that run
>> in the right frequency sub-band.
>
> Having a receiver that covers the proper frequency is only part of the
> solution. There is likely another issue. Wireless microphone
> transmitters compress the audio in order to increase the signal to
> noise ratio. The companion receiver has a circuit that expands the
> audio, essentially undoing what the transmitter has done, returning
> the audio to 'normal'. Make sure the receivers you're looking at on
> Ebay are compatible with the G2 transmitter.

I'll be getting a receiver identical to the one the church uses.

[Carey Carlan]

"Charles Tomaras" > wrote in
:

>
> "Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>>wireless
>> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is
>> always a
>> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the
>> same microphone?
>>
>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>
> Thinking it would be cheaper and less of a headache to just buy a
> spare mic splitter with a decent length split and wire it in
> permanently assuming the Emcee generally uses the same input and the
> console is a permanent install.

The proper solution is to wire the receiver into the existing patch bay and
avoid all this. Hasn't happened yet.

You just got me thinking. Better to buy an identical mic as well. That
way I can use it on other gigs.

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/15/2011 5:42 PM, Carey Carlan wrote:

>> Aren't there two outputs on the existing receiver? IIRC, those have
>> both balanced and an unbalanced outputs that can be used
>> simultaneously.

> Neither of us want the unbalanced output in the RF chaos of Atlanta.

Put a transformer on the unbalanced output. That'll be
cheaper than another receiver. Or use a direct box. You
probably have one laying around. Give it a try at the next
service, or some time when there's nothing going on if you
can get access.


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[Michael Dobony]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:42:23 GMT, Carey Carlan wrote:

> (hank alrich) wrote in
> :
>
>> Carey Carlan > wrote:
>>
>>> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>>> wireless microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic
>>> splitter is always a pain. Is there any gotcha to having two
>>> wireless receivers for the same microphone?
>>>
>>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>>
>> Aren't there two outputs on the existing receiver? IIRC, those have
>> both balanced and an unbalanced outputs that can be used
>> simultaneously.
>
> Neither of us want the unbalanced output in the RF chaos of Atlanta.

As I recall both the XLR and the 1/4" outputs are balanced.

[Carey Carlan]

Michael Dobony > wrote in news:1vsq9m4f4edv7
:

> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:42:23 GMT, Carey Carlan wrote:
>
>> (hank alrich) wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Carey Carlan > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>>>> wireless microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic
>>>> splitter is always a pain. Is there any gotcha to having two
>>>> wireless receivers for the same microphone?
>>>>
>>>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>>>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>>>
>>> Aren't there two outputs on the existing receiver? IIRC, those have
>>> both balanced and an unbalanced outputs that can be used
>>> simultaneously.
>>
>> Neither of us want the unbalanced output in the RF chaos of Atlanta.
>
> As I recall both the XLR and the 1/4" outputs are balanced.

That may be a solution if I can convince them to install and leave it.

Would still rather be down front than back in the balcony with the
console.

[Trevor]

"Michael Dobony" > wrote in message
.. .
> As I recall both the XLR and the 1/4" outputs are balanced.

In which case it would pay to check they are not simply wired socket to
socket just to provide a single connection socket option. If so a proper
splitter would still be preferable.

Trevor.

[Marc Wielage[_2_]]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:02:10 -0700, Steve King wrote
(in article >):

> Wireless microphone transmitters
> compress the audio in order to increase the signal to noise ratio.
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<

Not the ones using digital signals, including Lectro and Zaxcom (and I
believe some of the newest Shures). No more companding.

--MFW

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
...
> "Steve King" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a
>>>>wireless
>>>> microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is
>>>> always a
>>>> pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the
>>>> same microphone?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> Two transmitters operating on the same frequency at the same time in
>>> the same place would of course be a problem.
>>>
>>>> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet).
>>>> I've found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>>>
>>> You seem to understand the hidden gotcha, getting a receiver that run
>>> in the right frequency sub-band.
>>
>> Having a receiver that covers the proper frequency is only part of the
>> solution. There is likely another issue. Wireless microphone
>> transmitters compress the audio in order to increase the signal to
>> noise ratio. The companion receiver has a circuit that expands the
>> audio, essentially undoing what the transmitter has done, returning
>> the audio to 'normal'. Make sure the receivers you're looking at on
>> Ebay are compatible with the G2 transmitter.
>
> I'll be getting a receiver identical to the one the church uses.

That's only common sense.

[Scott Dorsey]

Carey Carlan > wrote:
>I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
>microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
>pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
>microphone?

No, this is a reasonable approach.

>It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
>found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

Make sure you get one designed for the transmitter being used. Everybody
uses the same frequency ranges but they don't always use the same companding
and emphasis.
--scott


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[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> Carey Carlan > wrote:
> >I regularly record programs at a local church. The Emcee uses a wireless
> >microphone. Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
> >pain. Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> >microphone?
>
> No, this is a reasonable approach.
>
> >It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). I've
> >found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.
>
> Make sure you get one designed for the transmitter being used. Everybody
> uses the same frequency ranges but they don't always use the same companding
> and emphasis.
> --scott

Is there any chance of incurring squelch failure if using two receivers
for a single transmitter?

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[geoff]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...

> Is there any chance of incurring squelch failure if using two receivers
> for a single transmitter?

No.

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

hank alrich > wrote:
>Is there any chance of incurring squelch failure if using two receivers
>for a single transmitter?

No more than if you're using just one. Mind you it happens enough with
just one...
-scott

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On Aug 15, 12:42*pm, Carey Carlan > wrote:
> I regularly record programs at a local church. *The Emcee uses a wireless
> microphone. *Digging into the console to insert my mic splitter is always a
> pain. *Is there any gotcha to having two wireless receivers for the same
> microphone?
>
> It's a Sennheiser EW 100 G2 (don't know the frequency range yet). *I've
> found lots of receivers on eBay for $115.

I've done exactly this on a number of occasions, with the same
Sennheiser gear. I've had a speaker with a wireless lavalier, feeding
1) to the house via the AC-powered receiver, and 2) on the same freq
to the battery-powered receiver to feed a pro camcorder. No problems,
in a medium urban environment.