Where can I find lossless downloads of individual tunes?

[Robert Peirce]

I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
AIF.

Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
rock and classical.

[rh]

Robert Peirce > writes:

>I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
>CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
>all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
>like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
>AIF.

>Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
>somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
>sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
>kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
>rock and classical.

do a torrent search. Many torrents are in .flac format, and your torrent
software will let you p&c which tunes you want to dl. JM2C.

Terry

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[Audio Empire]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:12:58 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article >):

> I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
> CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
> all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
> like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
> AIF.
>
> Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
> somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
> sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
> kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
> rock and classical.

My experience (and I'm afraid it's limited) is that Apple Store iTunes
downloads sound wretched - at least every one that I've downloaded has. My
last try was a 4-CD (if you bought it) set called "Miklos Rozsa, a Centennial
Celebration" from Varese Sarabande. It was unlistenable. Subsequently, I
borrowed a "hard copy" CD set from a friend who purchased it and ripped it
myself. My "rip" was 1000 times better than the iTunes Store download. Since
I already paid iTunes for the download, I don't feel that copying my friend's
CDs is piracy. Had I not already paid for it once, I wouldn't have done that.

Since then I've been very reluctant to buy anything else from iTunes as that
wasn't the first download with which I've been dissatisfied.

[Greg Wormald]

In article >,
Robert Peirce > wrote:

> I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
> CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
> all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
> like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
> AIF.
>
> Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
> somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
> sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
> kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
> rock and classical.


There are very few that are legal--which is one reason that peer-to-peer
sharing via torrents, and the binary newsgroups are so popular.

Good luck in finding what you want.

Greg

[Robert Peirce]

In article >,
Audio Empire > wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:12:58 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
> > CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
> > all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
> > like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
> > AIF.
> >
> > Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
> > somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
> > sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
> > kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
> > rock and classical.
>
> My experience (and I'm afraid it's limited) is that Apple Store iTunes
> downloads sound wretched - at least every one that I've downloaded has. My
> last try was a 4-CD (if you bought it) set called "Miklos Rozsa, a Centennial
> Celebration" from Varese Sarabande. It was unlistenable. Subsequently, I
> borrowed a "hard copy" CD set from a friend who purchased it and ripped it
> myself. My "rip" was 1000 times better than the iTunes Store download. Since
> I already paid iTunes for the download, I don't feel that copying my friend's
> CDs is piracy. Had I not already paid for it once, I wouldn't have done that.
>
> Since then I've been very reluctant to buy anything else from iTunes as that
> wasn't the first download with which I've been dissatisfied.

Well, that's my point. See my comment about AAC. That's why I am
looking for a commercial source of lossless downloads. I don't mind
paying for them. I would just like to find some.

[Robert Peirce]

How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.

I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen sites,
all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even find
24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody else is
heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of Macworld.

[Audio Empire]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:30:25 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Audio Empire > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:12:58 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
>>> CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
>>> all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
>>> like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
>>> AIF.
>>>
>>> Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
>>> somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
>>> sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
>>> kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
>>> rock and classical.
>>
>> My experience (and I'm afraid it's limited) is that Apple Store iTunes
>> downloads sound wretched - at least every one that I've downloaded has. My
>> last try was a 4-CD (if you bought it) set called "Miklos Rozsa, a
>> Centennial
>> Celebration" from Varese Sarabande. It was unlistenable. Subsequently, I
>> borrowed a "hard copy" CD set from a friend who purchased it and ripped it
>> myself. My "rip" was 1000 times better than the iTunes Store download.
>> Since
>> I already paid iTunes for the download, I don't feel that copying my
>> friend's
>> CDs is piracy. Had I not already paid for it once, I wouldn't have done
>> that.
>>
>> Since then I've been very reluctant to buy anything else from iTunes as
>> that
>> wasn't the first download with which I've been dissatisfied.
>
> Well, that's my point. See my comment about AAC. That's why I am
> looking for a commercial source of lossless downloads. I don't mind
> paying for them. I would just like to find some.
>


Someone recommended "torrents'' as being better quality than iTunes. While
this might be true, unless the torrents are coming from a real commercial
music site, my experience is that most of them are illegal copies.

I found that the problem with iTunes is not necessarily the fact that the
downloads are AAC, but rather that the quality of the transfers is just
overall poor. They sound harsh, distorted, somewhat compressed (in the analog
sense, not in the file sense) and just bad!

[Audio Empire]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:04:52 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article >):

> How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
> high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.
>
> I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen sites,
> all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even find
> 24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody else is
> heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of Macworld.
>

Heck, you can even find DSD downloads!

http://www.bluecoastrecords.com/blue-coast-collection

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
Greg Wormald > wrote:


> There are very few that are legal--which is one reason that peer-to-peer
> sharing via torrents, and the binary newsgroups are so popular.

They are also popular because many people have no qualms about stealing
things.


[ Please make sure replies are directly on the subject
of high-end audio. There are plenty of other places
to discuss copyright infringement. -- dsr ]



--
www.jennifermartinmusic.com

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Audio Empire" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:04:52 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
>> high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.
>>
>> I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen sites,
>> all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even find
>> 24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody else is
>> heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of Macworld.

> Heck, you can even find DSD downloads!

The download may be DSD but that gets changed as soon as you play it.

> http://www.bluecoastrecords.com/blue-coast-collection

Since everybody's computer audio interface passes only PCM-signals, any
possible or impossible advantages of DSD get lost well before the music hits
the PC's output terminals.

[Edmund[_2_]]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:09:32 +0000, Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Audio Empire" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:04:52 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote (in article
>> >):
>>
>>> How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
>>> high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.
>>>
>>> I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen
>>> sites, all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even
>>> find 24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody
>>> else is heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of
>>> Macworld.
>
>> Heck, you can even find DSD downloads!
>
> The download may be DSD but that gets changed as soon as you play it.
>
>> http://www.bluecoastrecords.com/blue-coast-collection
>
> Since everybody's computer audio interface passes only PCM-signals, any
> possible or impossible advantages of DSD get lost well before the music
> hits the PC's output terminals.

A very good reason why all owners of the Oppo's send an email to Oppo with
the request that they release a new firmware which support DSD from Hard Disk.

Edmund

[[email protected]]

On 15 Aug 2011 11:46:35 GMT, Greg Wormald >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Robert Peirce > wrote:
>
>> I use iTunes as a music server. Everything in it right now is AIF from
>> CDs and LPs. I thought to download some tunes from Apple but they are
>> all AAC. (AAC is described as being better than MP3, which I guess is
>> like having crap without the smell.) For some reason they don't support
>> AIF.
>>
>> Is there a source of lossless downloads of individual tunes out there
>> somewhere? I did a google search but could not find anything. Some
>> sites weren't working and the ones I found that were didn't have the
>> kind of music I listen to. Mostly I listen to jazz but also some older
>> rock and classical.
>
>
>There are very few that are legal--which is one reason that peer-to-peer
>sharing via torrents, and the binary newsgroups are so popular.
>
>Good luck in finding what you want.
>
>Greg

Here's a legal one. It's all live, bootleg music (i.e. not studio),
sanctioned by the artists. So, quality will vary, but much of it
sounds wonderful. There are always some 24bit uploads, available,
too: search for "flac24"

There are plenty more legal torrent trackers, too... but again, not
studio music.

http://bt.etree.org/index.php

[Audio Empire]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:09:32 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article >):

> "Audio Empire" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:04:52 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
>>> high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.
>>>
>>> I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen sites,
>>> all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even find
>>> 24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody else is
>>> heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of Macworld.
>
>> Heck, you can even find DSD downloads!
>
> The download may be DSD but that gets changed as soon as you play it.
>
>> http://www.bluecoastrecords.com/blue-coast-collection
>
> Since everybody's computer audio interface passes only PCM-signals, any
> possible or impossible advantages of DSD get lost well before the music hits
> the PC's output terminals.
>
>

Now that depends upon how one plays it back. Until one actually plays it,
it's just a computer file. When I play it, I transfer the FILE to my Korg
MR-1000 and play it through my stereo from that. I get real DSD playback. I
understand that there are several software players for the Mac that will
correctly decode DSD as well. There might be for Windows as well, but I don't
"do" music on my Windows laptop, so I cannot say.

[David E. Bath]

In article >,
Audio Empire > writes:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:09:32 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
> (in article >):
>
>
>> Since everybody's computer audio interface passes only PCM-signals, any
>> possible or impossible advantages of DSD get lost well before the music hits
>> the PC's output terminals.
>>
>>
>
> Now that depends upon how one plays it back. Until one actually plays it,
> it's just a computer file. When I play it, I transfer the FILE to my Korg
> MR-1000 and play it through my stereo from that. I get real DSD playback. I
> understand that there are several software players for the Mac that will
> correctly decode DSD as well. There might be for Windows as well, but I don't
> "do" music on my Windows laptop, so I cannot say.

A quick Google seach for Windows DSD plugin found this:

http://dsd-playback-plug-in.software.informer.com/

--
David Bath - RAHE Co-moderator

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Audio Empire" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:09:32 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> "Audio Empire" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:04:52 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> How timely!! The latest issue of Macworld has an article, p. 64, on
>>>> high res downloads. Apparently there are some commercial sources.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't checked them out but the author mentions about a dozen sites,
>>>> all the way from 16/44.1 to 24/96. Apparently, you can even find
>>>> 24/192. It will take a while to check these out, but if anybody else
>>>> is
>>>> heading down this road, check out the September, 2011 issue of
>>>> Macworld.
>>
>>> Heck, you can even find DSD downloads!
>>
>> The download may be DSD but that gets changed as soon as you play it.
>>
>>> http://www.bluecoastrecords.com/blue-coast-collection
>>
>> Since everybody's computer audio interface passes only PCM-signals, any
>> possible or impossible advantages of DSD get lost well before the music
>> hits
>> the PC's output terminals.

> Now that depends upon how one plays it back. Until one actually plays it,
> it's just a computer file. When I play it, I transfer the FILE to my Korg
> MR-1000 and play it through my stereo from that. I get real DSD playback.

OK

> I understand that there are several software players for the Mac that
> will
> correctly decode DSD as well. There might be for Windows as well, but I
> don't
> "do" music on my Windows laptop, so I cannot say.

Most have the same problem that I mentioned above. There is such a thing as
the Prism ADA-8XR. external Firewire-attached DVD audio interface that runs
about $12K.

[Robert Peirce]

In article >,
Audio Empire > wrote:

\> Now that depends upon how one plays it back. Until one actually plays
it,
> it's just a computer file. When I play it, I transfer the FILE to my Korg
> MR-1000 and play it through my stereo from that. I get real DSD playback. I
> understand that there are several software players for the Mac that will
> correctly decode DSD as well. There might be for Windows as well, but I don't
> "do" music on my Windows laptop, so I cannot say.

Pure Music 3 does DSD. It seems to do just about everything.

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