NPR's Idea of Audio Genius

[Gary Eickmeier]

This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today about a guy
named Edgar Choueiri who has "invented" 3D sound. I am really tired of two
recurring themes: (1) some "rocket scientist" decides to come into the audio
engineering field and really kick ass. He is usually viewed with awe and
thanked for his genius which the faithful flock to purchase with big bucks.
And (2) every 10 years or so some new genius comes along and invents
binaural sound. We have had Ambiophonics, Carver Sonic Holography,
Transaural, 3D Audio, and many more. The basic article actually has the
nerve to say "Choueiri has figured out how to reproduce realistic 3D sound
from just two speakers using a method called 'crosstalk cancellation.' "

You can visit this crime scene at

http://www.studio360.org/blogs/studio-360-blog/2011/apr/27/rocket-scientist-day-3d-audio-inventor-night/

I am done with it.

Gary Eickmeier

[Ed Seedhouse[_2_]]

On May 1, 6:11=A0pm, "Gary Eickmeier" > wrote:
> This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today about a guy
> named Edgar Choueiri who has "invented" 3D sound. I am really tired of tw=
o
> recurring themes: (1) some "rocket scientist" decides to come into the au=
dio
> engineering field and really kick ass. He is usually viewed with awe and
> thanked for his genius which the faithful flock to purchase with big buck=
s.
> And (2) every 10 years or so some new genius comes along and invents
> binaural sound. We have had Ambiophonics, Carver Sonic Holography,
> Transaural, 3D Audio, and many more. The basic article actually has the
> nerve to say "Choueiri has figured out how to reproduce realistic 3D soun=
d
> from just two speakers using a method called 'crosstalk cancellation.' "
>
> You can visit this crime scene at
>
> http://www.studio360.org/blogs/studio-360-blog/2011/apr/27/rocket-sci...
>
> I am done with it.

Just shows the no one is above being gulled. The effects played were
certainly audible and about as effective as the "Theatre Dimensional"
sound setting on my four year old Onkyo receiver. Is Bob Carver still
with us? Perhaps he has grounds for a suit! Or did someone else
pioneer the concept even earlier?

Maybe someone should send NPR a copy of the first track of "Amused to
death", where another incarnation of the same old idea is used. Tell
them to turn up the volume and listen to the dog barking. PF also
used binaural tracks, notably on "Just another brick in the wall" and
also on the "The Final Cut". And later Madonna used "holosonic
sound" (also aural crosstalk cancellation IIRR) it on one of her
albums, I believe.

They must be hiring them young at NPR these days, given the budget
cuts. Or maybe Seniors with badly failing memories.

It pales besides the nonsense about economics that NPR allows on the
air. Still, there's "car talk" and "Wait Wait, don't tell me!"

I first heard the effect on a square plastic disk that came with an
old copy of "Audio" magazine if my memory does not fail me.

[Gary Eickmeier]

Ed Seedhouse wrote:

> Just shows the no one is above being gulled. The effects played were
> certainly audible and about as effective as the "Theatre Dimensional"
> sound setting on my four year old Onkyo receiver. Is Bob Carver still
> with us? Perhaps he has grounds for a suit! Or did someone else
> pioneer the concept even earlier?
>
> Maybe someone should send NPR a copy of the first track of "Amused to
> death", where another incarnation of the same old idea is used. Tell
> them to turn up the volume and listen to the dog barking. PF also
> used binaural tracks, notably on "Just another brick in the wall" and
> also on the "The Final Cut". And later Madonna used "holosonic
> sound" (also aural crosstalk cancellation IIRR) it on one of her
> albums, I believe.
>
> They must be hiring them young at NPR these days, given the budget
> cuts. Or maybe Seniors with badly failing memories.
>
> It pales besides the nonsense about economics that NPR allows on the
> air. Still, there's "car talk" and "Wait Wait, don't tell me!"
>
> I first heard the effect on a square plastic disk that came with an
> old copy of "Audio" magazine if my memory does not fail me.

YES! Holosonics was another one! Thanks. There must be even more. I remember
waiting in line at an AES convention to listen to the latest one of these,
and I think it was Holosonics. Has anyone else noticed that it is most
effective with close up sounds like cutting your hair, or whispering in your
ear? But the far field sounds have more trouble with the IHL (Inside the
Head Locatedness) problem.

And I also remember the Audio magazine insert disc.

Gary Eickmeier

[Scott[_6_]]

On May 1, 6:11=A0pm, "Gary Eickmeier" > wrote:
> This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today about a guy
> named Edgar Choueiri who has "invented" 3D sound. I am really tired of tw=
o
> recurring themes: (1) some "rocket scientist" decides to come into the au=
dio
> engineering field and really kick ass. He is usually viewed with awe and
> thanked for his genius which the faithful flock to purchase with big buck=
s.
> And (2) every 10 years or so some new genius comes along and invents
> binaural sound. We have had Ambiophonics, Carver Sonic Holography,
> Transaural, 3D Audio, and many more. The basic article actually has the
> nerve to say "Choueiri has figured out how to reproduce realistic 3D soun=
d
> from just two speakers using a method called 'crosstalk cancellation.' "
>
> You can visit this crime scene at
>
> http://www.studio360.org/blogs/studio-360-blog/2011/apr/27/rocket-sci...
>
> I am done with it.
>
> Gary Eickmeier

Crosstalk cancelation? So this is how to get your speakers to sound
like headphones? No thanks.

[Audio Empire]

On Tue, 3 May 2011 05:54:31 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article >):

> Ed Seedhouse wrote:
>
>> Just shows the no one is above being gulled. The effects played were
>> certainly audible and about as effective as the "Theatre Dimensional"
>> sound setting on my four year old Onkyo receiver. Is Bob Carver still
>> with us? Perhaps he has grounds for a suit! Or did someone else
>> pioneer the concept even earlier?
>>
>> Maybe someone should send NPR a copy of the first track of "Amused to
>> death", where another incarnation of the same old idea is used. Tell
>> them to turn up the volume and listen to the dog barking. PF also
>> used binaural tracks, notably on "Just another brick in the wall" and
>> also on the "The Final Cut". And later Madonna used "holosonic
>> sound" (also aural crosstalk cancellation IIRR) it on one of her
>> albums, I believe.
>>
>> They must be hiring them young at NPR these days, given the budget
>> cuts. Or maybe Seniors with badly failing memories.
>>
>> It pales besides the nonsense about economics that NPR allows on the
>> air. Still, there's "car talk" and "Wait Wait, don't tell me!"
>>
>> I first heard the effect on a square plastic disk that came with an
>> old copy of "Audio" magazine if my memory does not fail me.
>
> YES! Holosonics was another one! Thanks. There must be even more. I remember
> waiting in line at an AES convention to listen to the latest one of these,
> and I think it was Holosonics. Has anyone else noticed that it is most
> effective with close up sounds like cutting your hair, or whispering in your
> ear? But the far field sounds have more trouble with the IHL (Inside the
> Head Locatedness) problem.
>
> And I also remember the Audio magazine insert disc.
>
> Gary Eickmeier
>
>

This is what happens when you let media "talking heads" and their
"puppeteers" voice opinions and make decisions about things of which they
have very little to no knowledge.

[Walt]

On 5/1/2011 9:11 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today....

NPR? What does NPR have to do with it?

Studio 360 isn't an NPR program, it's produced by Public Radio
International (PRI) not NPR.

You might want to get your facts straight before climbing up on that
high horse.

//Walt

[Ed Seedhouse[_2_]]

On May 4, 9:59=A0am, Walt > wrote:
> On 5/1/2011 9:11 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>
> > This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today....
>
> NPR? =A0What does NPR have to do with it?
>
> Studio 360 isn't an NPR program, it's produced by Public Radio
> International (PRI) not NPR.
>
> You might want to get your facts straight before climbing up on that
> high horse.

It was broadcast locally on the Seattle NPR station I listen to when I
listen to radio from the USA, KUOW. It was advertised in advance on
that station several times.

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Walt" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/1/2011 9:11 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
>> This is really outrageous. "Studio 360" put a show on today....
>
> NPR? What does NPR have to do with it?
>
> Studio 360 isn't an NPR program, it's produced by Public Radio
> International (PRI) not NPR.
>
> You might want to get your facts straight before climbing up on that
> high horse.
>
> //Walt

I don't think you got the gist of my post. It was about audio, not the
difference between National Public Radio and Public Radio International.

It was broadcast on my local NPR station.

Gary Eickmeier