6 channel mixer with inserts?

[Danny T]

I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
small.

It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
not really necessary.

Thanks for the wisdom

[Mike Rivers]

On 11/5/2010 6:30 PM, Danny T wrote:
> I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> small.

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometime, you
\know, you'll get what you need." You won't find a 6 channel mixer that
meets all of those requirements, but you can do that with a Mackie Onyx
1220 (old model) or 1220i (current model), maybe. You didn't specify how
many vocal channels you need. The 1220 has four inputs that will
accommodate microphones (XLR, phantom power, about 60 dB gain). Two of
those also have (swtichable) instrument inputs which sound quite good
and would work well with your acoustic guitrars whether they had pickups
or you were using mics. The other two of those four could be used for
your vocals. All four of those inputs have insert jacks. There are four
other stereo line level input channels which can also be mono. You could
run your keyboard through one or two of those channels, and you'd still
have more inputs left for other line level sources. It's good, and
relatively small.

> It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> not really necessary.

The current version, the "i" series, has a Firewire interface which
carries direct outputs from all of the channels into the computer and
two channels (computer-mixed playback) back to the mixer for listening
or overdubbing.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Danny T]

On Nov 6, 7:46*am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 6:30 PM, Danny T wrote:
>
> > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > small.
>
> "You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometime, you
> \know, you'll get what you need." You won't find a 6 channel mixer that
> meets all of those requirements, but you can do that with a Mackie Onyx
> 1220 (old model) or 1220i (current model), maybe. You didn't specify how
> many *vocal channels you need. The 1220 has four inputs that will
> accommodate microphones (XLR, phantom power, about 60 dB gain). Two of
> those also have (swtichable) instrument inputs which sound quite good
> and would work well with your acoustic guitrars whether they had pickups
> or you were using mics. The other two of those four could be used for
> your vocals. All four of those inputs have insert jacks. There are four
> other stereo line level input channels which can also be mono. You could
> run your keyboard through one or two of those channels, and you'd still
> have more inputs left for other line level sources. It's good, and
> relatively small.
>
> > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > not really necessary.
>
> The current version, the "i" series, has a Firewire interface which
> carries direct outputs from all of the channels into the computer and
> two channels (computer-mixed playback) back to the mixer for listening
> or overdubbing.
>
> --
> "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
> a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
> operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson
>
> http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.

Thanks for direction.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Danny T wrote:

> I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> small.

Soundcraft epm or efx.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

> It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> not really necessary.
>
> Thanks for the wisdom

[Mike Rivers]

On 11/6/2010 7:40 PM, Danny T wrote:

> Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
> needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
> board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.

The Onyx is probably the best design Mackie has. It's not a $10,000
mixer so you'll probably have some reasons to find fault with it, but it
sounds just fine.

There was a time when Mackie had some manufacturing problems which sent
a lot of people away, but now manufacturing is totally different. I
don't know if there are any problems in the Chinese factory, but if
there are, they're totally different from any problems that Mackie had
12 years ago. You really can't use that as a basis for comparison.



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a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson

Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then

[[email protected][_2_]]

On Nov 7, 7:12*am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On 11/6/2010 7:40 PM, Danny T wrote:
>
> > Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
> > needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
> > board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.
>
> The Onyx is probably the best design Mackie has. It's not a $10,000
> mixer so you'll probably have some reasons to find fault with it, but it
> sounds just fine.
>
> There was a time when Mackie had some manufacturing problems which sent
> a lot of people away, but now manufacturing is totally different. I
> don't know if there are any problems in the Chinese factory, but if
> there are, they're totally different from any problems that Mackie had
> 12 years ago. You really can't use that as a basis for comparison.

I like my Onyx 1220. I even use the preamps for recording, and I get
what I consider good results... there are some sample tracks from our
latest album, "Love, Betrayal, and Redemption," on our web site at

http://www.mont-alto.com/recordings.html#LoveBetrayalRedemption

These were recorded using a Rode NT4 into the Mackie preamps, then
through a MOTU 828mkII (bypassing its preamps) onto a Mac. Pretty
straightforward, and pretty clean.

For live gigs with the Onyx, I've found the eq pretty easy to use as
well. It doesn't include any on-board effects, which some other boards
do; but I don't have much use for those.

Rodney Sauer
Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra
www.mont-alto.com

[Danny T]

On Nov 7, 8:12*am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On 11/6/2010 7:40 PM, Danny T wrote:
>
> > Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
> > needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
> > board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.
>
> The Onyx is probably the best design Mackie has. It's not a $10,000
> mixer so you'll probably have some reasons to find fault with it, but it
> sounds just fine.
>
> There was a time when Mackie had some manufacturing problems which sent
> a lot of people away, but now manufacturing is totally different. I
> don't know if there are any problems in the Chinese factory, but if
> there are, they're totally different from any problems that Mackie had
> 12 years ago. You really can't use that as a basis for comparison.
>
> --
> "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
> a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
> operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson
>
> Drop byhttp://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.comnow and then

The price and size are right for my needs so I think I'm getting it.
Thanks for the opinion. Over the years, I've had a lot of good luck
based on following your advice.

[Danny T]

On Nov 7, 1:20*am, "Peter Larsen" > wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > small.
>
> Soundcraft epm or efx.
>
> * Kind regards
>
> * Peter Larsen
>
>
>
> > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > not really necessary.
>
> > Thanks for the wisdom

I'm a big fan of soundcraft but I didn't see these at the local
shop. ... They had some notebooks but no inserts on them. Thank God
for online!
Thanks for the model depictions.

[Danny T]

On Nov 7, 1:20*am, "Peter Larsen" > wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > small.
>
> Soundcraft epm or efx.
>
> * Kind regards
>
> * Peter Larsen
>
>
>
> > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > not really necessary.
>
> > Thanks for the wisdom

Second look.... the Soundcraft EPM6 is perfect but doesn't have a way
to record from other then a master.The converters were just a wishful
bonus so I think that if these preform like other soundcraft, it's
going to be a hard choice between this and the Mackie Mike R was
talking about.

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
> I need six channels for my solo rig




This delusional fat little rich kid still pretending to "do gigs"?


*snicker*



Hey Dummy T, got any pics of you being MD for James Brown?




Too ****ing funny.

[Luca]

Danny, I don't usually get involved in these group discussions as I'm
just starting out, but ignore this troll.

Listened to some of your stuff, keep doing your thing.

On Nov 9, 12:09*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." <The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I need six channels for my solo rig
>
> This delusional fat little rich kid still pretending to "do gigs"?
>
> *snicker*
>
> Hey Dummy T, got any pics of you being MD for James Brown?
>
> Too ****ing funny.

[Danny T]

On Nov 9, 12:22*pm, Luca > wrote:
> Danny, I don't usually get involved in these group discussions as I'm
> just starting out, but ignore this troll.
>
> Listened to some of your stuff, keep doing your thing.


Thanks ...

If anyone wants to come to the Angel of the Delta festival, I'll be
playing there sunday.

http://www.angelofthedeltafestival.com/

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:09:33 -0500, The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.
wrote
(in article >):

> Too ****ing funny.


Grow up.

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[Mr Soul]

> > Too ****ing funny.
>
> Grow up.
And before I get accused of making that post, I did NOT do it.

Mike C

[hank alrich]

Danny T > wrote:

> On Nov 6, 7:46 am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> > On 11/5/2010 6:30 PM, Danny T wrote:
> >
> > > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > > small.
> >
> > "You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometime, you
> > \know, you'll get what you need." You won't find a 6 channel mixer that
> > meets all of those requirements, but you can do that with a Mackie Onyx
> > 1220 (old model) or 1220i (current model), maybe. You didn't specify how
> > many vocal channels you need. The 1220 has four inputs that will
> > accommodate microphones (XLR, phantom power, about 60 dB gain). Two of
> > those also have (swtichable) instrument inputs which sound quite good
> > and would work well with your acoustic guitrars whether they had pickups
> > or you were using mics. The other two of those four could be used for
> > your vocals. All four of those inputs have insert jacks. There are four
> > other stereo line level input channels which can also be mono. You could
> > run your keyboard through one or two of those channels, and you'd still
> > have more inputs left for other line level sources. It's good, and
> > relatively small.
> >
> > > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > > not really necessary.
> >
> > The current version, the "i" series, has a Firewire interface which
> > carries direct outputs from all of the channels into the computer and
> > two channels (computer-mixed playback) back to the mixer for listening
> > or overdubbing.
> >
> > --
> > "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
> > a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
> > operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson
> >
> > http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com
>
> Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
> needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
> board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.
>
> Thanks for direction.

Mackie's Onyx boards are surprisngly good, and IMO, much better than any
of their earlier versions.

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[Bob Howes[_2_]]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 6, 7:46 am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 6:30 PM, Danny T wrote:
>
> > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > small.
>
> "You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometime, you
> \know, you'll get what you need." You won't find a 6 channel mixer that
> meets all of those requirements, but you can do that with a Mackie Onyx
> 1220 (old model) or 1220i (current model), maybe. You didn't specify how
> many vocal channels you need. The 1220 has four inputs that will
> accommodate microphones (XLR, phantom power, about 60 dB gain). Two of
> those also have (swtichable) instrument inputs which sound quite good
> and would work well with your acoustic guitrars whether they had pickups
> or you were using mics. The other two of those four could be used for
> your vocals. All four of those inputs have insert jacks. There are four
> other stereo line level input channels which can also be mono. You could
> run your keyboard through one or two of those channels, and you'd still
> have more inputs left for other line level sources. It's good, and
> relatively small.
>
> > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > not really necessary.
>
> The current version, the "i" series, has a Firewire interface which
> carries direct outputs from all of the channels into the computer and
> two channels (computer-mixed playback) back to the mixer for listening
> or overdubbing.
>
> --
> "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
> a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
> operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson
>
> http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.

Thanks for direction.

I also have some bad memories of Mackie mixers...which is why I suggest you
also look at the Allen and Heath Zed series....probably the Z14 but it's
worth checking out the various sizes and options. All have insert points,
phantom, plus a variety of USB2 feeds to computers and some with built in
effects.

Bob

[Mike Rivers]

On 12/30/2010 3:11 AM, Bob Howes wrote:

> Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough
> to meet my
> needs but is it really that good a board?

I guess you're talking about the Mackie Onyx 1220i? I think
that was what we were discussing.

What, in your expectations, makes a "really that good"
mixer? I find that the combination of too many features for
too little money gets you a mixer that's equally weak across
the board, which means that the things that you use all the
time (as opposed to the "nice to have if you need them"
features like built-in effects) aren't as good a a less
feature packed mixer that costs about the same. I don't
recommend the Mackie CFX or other series with built-in
effects other than for people to whom a compact solution is
more important than low noise and internal headroom.

> I haven't used a
> mackie
> board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for
> them much.

What didn't you care for, and what models were you using?
The Onyx series didn't exist 12 years ago, but that was a
period when Mackie had a supply problem with ribbon cable
connectors that took too many years to surface (with
problems). They handled it pretty well, I thought, but since
there wasn't safety at issue, there wasn't a recall that
some ****ed owners expected. Those who asked got replacement
cables.



--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

[hank alrich]

Bob Howes <no.emailatnowhere.com> wrote:

> "Danny T" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 6, 7:46 am, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> > On 11/5/2010 6:30 PM, Danny T wrote:
> >
> > > I need six channels for my solo rig. I want phantom power, 2 mono
> > > acoustic guitars, and a keyboard plugged in all the time. I need
> > > inserts on the guitar and voc channels and I want a good mixer that is
> > > small.
> >
> > "You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometime, you
> > \know, you'll get what you need." You won't find a 6 channel mixer that
> > meets all of those requirements, but you can do that with a Mackie Onyx
> > 1220 (old model) or 1220i (current model), maybe. You didn't specify how
> > many vocal channels you need. The 1220 has four inputs that will
> > accommodate microphones (XLR, phantom power, about 60 dB gain). Two of
> > those also have (swtichable) instrument inputs which sound quite good
> > and would work well with your acoustic guitrars whether they had pickups
> > or you were using mics. The other two of those four could be used for
> > your vocals. All four of those inputs have insert jacks. There are four
> > other stereo line level input channels which can also be mono. You could
> > run your keyboard through one or two of those channels, and you'd still
> > have more inputs left for other line level sources. It's good, and
> > relatively small.
> >
> > > It would be really cool if there was a way to track in to a laptop but
> > > not really necessary.
> >
> > The current version, the "i" series, has a Firewire interface which
> > carries direct outputs from all of the channels into the computer and
> > two channels (computer-mixed playback) back to the mixer for listening
> > or overdubbing.
> >
> > --
> > "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without
> > a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
> > operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson
> >
> > http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com
>
> Mike, More is better. That mixer looks plenty small enough to meet my
> needs but is it really that good a board? I haven't used a mackie
> board in over 12 or more years Back then I didn't care for them much.
>
> Thanks for direction.
>
> I also have some bad memories of Mackie mixers...which is why I suggest you
> also look at the Allen and Heath Zed series....probably the Z14 but it's
> worth checking out the various sizes and options. All have insert points,
> phantom, plus a variety of USB2 feeds to computers and some with built in
> effects.
>
> Bob

The Mackie Onyx line is a whole new ballgame IMO. These are good little
mixers, with good EQ (Yes, I said that), much better pres, and a really
good DI input, too.

Bob Olhsson commented in PSW that he'd attended a classical recording
session where a Mackie Onyx was used and that he was surprised how good
the board was.

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