Re: Turntable worth keeping/fixing?

[PStamler]

On Sep 20, 7:32*am, Mark > wrote:
> I thought this section was worth noting and sadly is all too true:
>
> "Today's popular music on CD is loud. Unnaturally loud. Using a
> process called "compression," sound engineers clip the loudest sounds,
> making the softest parts of the music even louder. One reason behind
> the resurgence of vinyl among music lovers is the lack of compression
> on LPs."

Which of course (a) isn't true (there is some compression and/or
limiting on almost all LPs) and (b) isn't inherent to the CD medium
(on CD you actually have a choice whether or not to do any compression/
limiting). It's entirely possible to cut a CD directly from the master
tape with *no* audio processing, and in the early days of CD that was
a strong selling point. That nitwits have chosen not to do that isn't
inherent in the CD format.

Peace,
Paul

[Bill Graham]

"PStamler" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 20, 7:32 am, Mark > wrote:
> I thought this section was worth noting and sadly is all too true:
>
> "Today's popular music on CD is loud. Unnaturally loud. Using a
> process called "compression," sound engineers clip the loudest sounds,
> making the softest parts of the music even louder. One reason behind
> the resurgence of vinyl among music lovers is the lack of compression
> on LPs."

Which of course (a) isn't true (there is some compression and/or
limiting on almost all LPs) and (b) isn't inherent to the CD medium
(on CD you actually have a choice whether or not to do any compression/
limiting). It's entirely possible to cut a CD directly from the master
tape with *no* audio processing, and in the early days of CD that was
a strong selling point. That nitwits have chosen not to do that isn't
inherent in the CD format.

Peace,
Paul

Most people buy and listen to these CD's in their automobile, where there is
so much background noise, that unless the program material is compressed,
half of the music would be unhearable. Try listening to a classical concert
sometime and hear how quiet some of the passages in the music are. These
would be completely lost in an automotive environment, so CD's have to be
compresses or nobody would buy them.

[William Sommerwerck]

> Most people buy and listen to these CD's in their automobile,
> where there is so much background noise, that unless the
> program material is compressed, half of the music would be
> unhearable. Try listening to a classical concert sometime and
> hear how quiet some of the passages in the music are. These
> would be completely lost in an automotive environment, so CDs
> have to be compressed or nobody would buy them.

The CDs discussed are pop and/or rock, not classical. I've never heard of
classical CDs being compressed for auto use.

I can tell you that when listening at home, at moderate (not high) levels,
cars and trucks can badly interfere with the quieter passages.

[Bill Graham]

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
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>> Most people buy and listen to these CD's in their automobile,
>> where there is so much background noise, that unless the
>> program material is compressed, half of the music would be
>> unhearable. Try listening to a classical concert sometime and
>> hear how quiet some of the passages in the music are. These
>> would be completely lost in an automotive environment, so CDs
>> have to be compressed or nobody would buy them.
>
> The CDs discussed are pop and/or rock, not classical. I've never heard of
> classical CDs being compressed for auto use.
>
> I can tell you that when listening at home, at moderate (not high) levels,
> cars and trucks can badly interfere with the quieter passages.
>
>

Yes. I wouldn't attempt to listen to classical music in my car.....I can
only listen to it at home when the wife is gone, and the house is empty
(except for my 5 cats) and there is no other noise going on. I have a friend
who just put his home system on a compressor, and he is very happy with it.
I may do the same thing.....

[Mike Rivers]

Bill Graham wrote:

> Yes. I wouldn't attempt to listen to classical music in my car.....

I dunno about that. I listen to classical music in my car. I
don't pretend that I'm conducting the orchestra or sitting
in the best seat in the house. I have better things to
concentrate on, like driving my car. It's pleasant,
relaxing, sometimes a little exciting, and there are no
commercials (or pledge breaks on public radio stations). It
really doesn't spoil the experience for me if I don't hear
every note.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

[Bill Graham]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
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> Bill Graham wrote:
>
>> Yes. I wouldn't attempt to listen to classical music in my car.....
>
> I dunno about that. I listen to classical music in my car. I don't pretend
> that I'm conducting the orchestra or sitting in the best seat in the
> house. I have better things to concentrate on, like driving my car. It's
> pleasant, relaxing, sometimes a little exciting, and there are no
> commercials (or pledge breaks on public radio stations). It really doesn't
> spoil the experience for me if I don't hear every note.
>
Not me....I can't stand to not hear all the program material, whether its
music or speech. If someone comes in the house when I am watching TV. I
immediately turn it off. Not to be polite to the guest, (necessarily) but
because if I can't listen to and understand every word, it is just an
annoyance, and I would rather it not be there at all. Commercials that don't
clearly tell me what they are selling and where to get it drive me crazy,
and I kill the sound as soon as they come on. (as opposed to some that I
really like and will listen to over and over for months) Usually, when I am
driving, I listen to some talk show where I can understand what they are
saying.

[[email protected]]

On 2010-09-22 said:
>> I dunno about that. I listen to classical music in my car. I
>>don't pretend that I'm conducting the orchestra or sitting in the
>>best seat in the house. I have better things to concentrate on,
>>like driving my car.
<snip>
>Not me....I can't stand to not hear all the program material,
>whether its music or speech. If someone comes in the house when I
>am watching TV. I immediately turn it off. Not to be polite to the
>guest, (necessarily) but because if I can't listen to and
>understand every word, it is just an annoyance, and I would rather
>it not be there at all. Commercials that don't clearly tell me what
>they are selling and where to get it drive me crazy, and I kill the
>sound as soon as they come on. (as opposed to some that I really
>like and will listen to over and over for months) Usually, when I
>am driving, I listen to some talk show where I can understand what
>they are saying.

Same here. I find syntehsized speech for access to the
computer to be just such an annoyance for me as it
interferes with what I"M listening to on the radio.

IF I don't listen to something broadcast while traveling I
enjoy a good conversation on the ham radio. IN fact, I've
told more than one person I"d catch them later because
they're operating on a vhf or uhf repeater system where they
should have a good signal into the repeater, but they insist
on mumbling into the microphone.

THat's always the most important thing for me in production,
if there's words, sung or spoken, they're supposed to be
heard and understood. IF the product is meant to be
"consumed" by folks in cars I"ll be sure that the listener
isn't having to fuss with the volume control, but still
allow some dynamic range. Requires a careful balancing act,
but that's part of the job.




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[Bill Graham]

> wrote in message
...
>
> On 2010-09-22 said:
> >> I dunno about that. I listen to classical music in my car. I
> >>don't pretend that I'm conducting the orchestra or sitting in the
> >>best seat in the house. I have better things to concentrate on,
> >>like driving my car.
> <snip>
> >Not me....I can't stand to not hear all the program material,
> >whether its music or speech. If someone comes in the house when I
> >am watching TV. I immediately turn it off. Not to be polite to the
> >guest, (necessarily) but because if I can't listen to and
> >understand every word, it is just an annoyance, and I would rather
> >it not be there at all. Commercials that don't clearly tell me what
> >they are selling and where to get it drive me crazy, and I kill the
> >sound as soon as they come on. (as opposed to some that I really
> >like and will listen to over and over for months) Usually, when I
> >am driving, I listen to some talk show where I can understand what
> >they are saying.
>
> Same here. I find syntehsized speech for access to the
> computer to be just such an annoyance for me as it
> interferes with what I"M listening to on the radio.
>
> IF I don't listen to something broadcast while traveling I
> enjoy a good conversation on the ham radio. IN fact, I've
> told more than one person I"d catch them later because
> they're operating on a vhf or uhf repeater system where they
> should have a good signal into the repeater, but they insist
> on mumbling into the microphone.
>
> THat's always the most important thing for me in production,
> if there's words, sung or spoken, they're supposed to be
> heard and understood. IF the product is meant to be
> "consumed" by folks in cars I"ll be sure that the listener
> isn't having to fuss with the volume control, but still
> allow some dynamic range. Requires a careful balancing act,
> but that's part of the job.
>
>
Another thing that drives me nuts is the, "three second rule".

When they show something on TV, its for only three seconds, and then they
take it off and never show it again. So my wife says, "Oh! - Look at that!",
and I say, "What?" and she says, "The TV". And, when I look at it, the
three seconds are up, and I get to see nothing at all....

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Graham" > wrote in message
...

>>
> Another thing that drives me nuts is the, "three second rule".
>
> When they show something on TV, its for only three seconds, and then they
> take it off and never show it again. So my wife says, "Oh! - Look at
> that!", and I say, "What?" and she says, "The TV". And, when I look at
> it, the three seconds are up, and I get to see nothing at all....


Time to obtain and learn how to exploit a DVR.