Re: The Chocolate Milk Syndrome: A Cautionary Tale

[Mark]

>
> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> wrapped gps.
>
>

was HE on the boat when it was struck?


Mark

[hank alrich]

Mark > wrote:

> >
> > The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
> > on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> > struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> > wrapped gps.
> >
> >
>
> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>
>
> Mark

Snopes, anyone? <g>

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[Danny T]

On Sep 16, 7:50*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
>
> > > The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
> > > on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> > > struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> > > wrapped gps.
>
> > was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>
> > Mark
>
> Snopes, anyone? <g>
>
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Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/

Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
wire, tin foil and other things like it.

[Les Cargill[_2_]]

Danny T wrote:
> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
>>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
>>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
>>>> wrapped gps.
>>
>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>>
>>> Mark
>>
>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
>>
>> --
>> shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman
>
> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>
> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> wire, tin foil and other things like it.


FTA:

"When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama’s Birth
Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
is seriously wrong with both."

They played the Birther card. FAIL.

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

Les Cargill > wrote:

> Danny T wrote:
> > On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
> >>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> >>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> >>>> wrapped gps.
> >>
> >>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
> >>
> >>> Mark
> >>
> >> Snopes, anyone?<g>

> > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> > http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
> >
> > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>
>
> FTA:

I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?

> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> is seriously wrong with both."
>
> They played the Birther card. FAIL.

Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
Linus's blanket.

"Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
so how good could it really be??"

I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.

Now where's my tinfoil hat...

Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?

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[Danny T]

On Sep 17, 8:11*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Les Cargill > wrote:
> > Danny T wrote:
> > > On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> > >> > *wrote:
>
> > >>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
> > >>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> > >>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> > >>>> wrapped gps.
>
> > >>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>
> > >>> Mark
>
> > >> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> > > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> > > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> > >http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>
> > > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> > > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>
> > FTA:
>
> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>
> > "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> > Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> > with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> > is seriously wrong with both."
>
> > They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>
> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> Linus's blanket.
>
> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> so how good could it really be??"
>
> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>
> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>
> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>
> --
> shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
would work?

[hank alrich]

Danny T > wrote:

> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> > Les Cargill > wrote:
> > > Danny T wrote:
> > > > On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> > > >> > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had
> > > >>>> a gps on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping.
> > > >>>> He was struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried
> > > >>>> but the wrapped gps.
> >
> > > >>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
> >
> > > >>> Mark
> >
> > > >> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> > > > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> > > > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> > > >http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
> >
> > > > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> > > > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
> >
> > > FTA:
> >
> > I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
> >
> > > "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> > > Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> > > with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> > > is seriously wrong with both."
> >
> > > They played the Birther card. FAIL.
> >
> > Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> > Linus's blanket.
> >
> > "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> > so how good could it really be??"
> >
> > I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> > fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
> >
> > Now where's my tinfoil hat...
> >
> > Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?

> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
> would work?

Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how much
tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?

Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
ground?

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[Ron Capik[_3_]]

On 9/17/2010 11:38 AM, hank alrich wrote:
> Danny > wrote:
>
>> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>>> Les > wrote:
>>>> Danny T wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had
>>>>>>>> a gps on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping.
>>>>>>>> He was struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried
>>>>>>>> but the wrapped gps.
>>>
>>>>>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>
>>>>>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
>>>>> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
>>>>> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
>>>>> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>>>
>>>>> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
>>>>> wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>>>
>>>> FTA:
>>>
>>> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>>>
>>>> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
>>>> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
>>>> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
>>>> is seriously wrong with both."
>>>
>>>> They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>>>
>>> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
>>> Linus's blanket.
>>>
>>> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
>>> so how good could it really be??"
>>>
>>> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
>>> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>>>
>>> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>>>
>>> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>
>> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
>> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
>> would work?
>
> Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how much
> tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?
>
> Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> ground?
>
Ever hear of a Faraday Cage?
A Faraday cage's operation depends on the fact that an external static
electrical field will cause the electrical charges within the cage's
conducting material to redistribute themselves so as to cancel the
field's effects in the cage's interior. This phenomenon is used, for
example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and
other electrostatic discharges.

Later...
Ron Capik
--

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On 2010-09-17 (hankalrich) said:
>> > > > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know
>>about chicken > > > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>> >
>> > > FTA:
<snip>
>> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long
>>been known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think
>>tin foil would work?
>Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how
>much tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?
NOt much I"d venture a guess.

>Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
>ground?
ABsolutely nothing.





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[hank alrich]

Ron Capik > wrote:

> On 9/17/2010 11:38 AM, hank alrich wrote:
> > Danny > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >>> Les > wrote:
> >>>> Danny T wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had
> >>>>>>>> a gps on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping.
> >>>>>>>> He was struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried
> >>>>>>>> but the wrapped gps.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>
> >>>>>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> >>>>> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> >>>>> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> >>>>> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
> >>>
> >>>>> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> >>>>> wire, tin foil and other things like it.
> >>>
> >>>> FTA:
> >>>
> >>> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
> >>>
> >>>> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> >>>> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> >>>> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> >>>> is seriously wrong with both."
> >>>
> >>>> They played the Birther card. FAIL.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> >>> Linus's blanket.
> >>>
> >>> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> >>> so how good could it really be??"
> >>>
> >>> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> >>> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
> >>>
> >>> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
> >>>
> >>> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
> >
> >> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
> >> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
> >> would work?
> >
> > Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how much
> > tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?
> >
> > Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> > ground?
> >
> Ever hear of a Faraday Cage?

Yep.

> A Faraday cage's operation depends on the fact that an external static
> electrical field will cause the electrical charges within the cage's
> conducting material to redistribute themselves so as to cancel the
> field's effects in the cage's interior. This phenomenon is used, for
> example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and
> other electrostatic discharges.

Accepted.

And there is what "metal" in today's 'tinfoil'?

Let's see a link to news acticle(s) about the alleged event.

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[Mark]

> * *>Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> * *>ground?

> ABsolutely nothing.
>

so when lightning hits an aircraft, everybody inside is killed?

or do they drag a ground wire out behind the aircraft?

and a shielded box on an automobile doesn't do anything?

this is of course wrong... An enclosed shield works very well WITHOUT
a path to ground.


Mark

[Bill Graham]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Les Cargill > wrote:
> > Danny T wrote:
> > > On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a
> > >>>> gps
> > >>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> > >>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> > >>>> wrapped gps.
>
> > >>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>
> > >>> Mark
>
> > >> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> > > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> > > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> > >http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>
> > > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> > > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>
> > FTA:
>
> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>
> > "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> > Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> > with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> > is seriously wrong with both."
>
> > They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>
> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> Linus's blanket.
>
> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> so how good could it really be??"
>
> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>
> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>
> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>
> --
> shut up and play your guitar
> *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
would work?

Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a bit
more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.

[John Williamson]

hank alrich wrote:
> Ron Capik > wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2010 11:38 AM, hank alrich wrote:
>>> Danny > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>>>>> Les > wrote:
>>>>>> Danny T wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had
>>>>>>>>>> a gps on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping.
>>>>>>>>>> He was struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried
>>>>>>>>>> but the wrapped gps.
>>>>>>>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
>>>>>>> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
>>>>>>> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
>>>>>>> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>>>>>>> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
>>>>>>> wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>>>>>> FTA:
>>>>> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
>>>>>> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
>>>>>> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
>>>>>> is seriously wrong with both."
>>>>>> They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>>>>> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
>>>>> Linus's blanket.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
>>>>> so how good could it really be??"
>>>>>
>>>>> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
>>>>> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>>>> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
>>>> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
>>>> would work?
>>> Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how much
>>> tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?
>>>
>>> Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
>>> ground?
>>>
>> Ever hear of a Faraday Cage?
>
> Yep.
>
>> A Faraday cage's operation depends on the fact that an external static
>> electrical field will cause the electrical charges within the cage's
>> conducting material to redistribute themselves so as to cancel the
>> field's effects in the cage's interior. This phenomenon is used, for
>> example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and
>> other electrostatic discharges.
>
> Accepted.
>
> And there is what "metal" in today's 'tinfoil'?

Mostly it's Aluminium in the UK. Stronger, lighter and much cheaper than
tin.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Danny T]

On Sep 17, 3:26*pm, Mark > wrote:
> > * *>Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> > * *>ground?
> > ABsolutely nothing.
>
> so when lightning hits an aircraft, everybody inside is killed?
>
> or do they drag a ground wire out behind the aircraft?
>
> and a shielded box on an automobile doesn't do anything?
>
> this is of course wrong... An enclosed shield works very well WITHOUT
> a path to ground.
>
> Mark

Mark, don't argue with Hank. He is the self appointed god of all
knowledge. It's a shame really. He and his daughter are quite talented
and I'd bet there are a lot of people that won't do anything for them
on account of Hank's attitude.

[Danny T]

On Sep 17, 5:00*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Les Cargill > wrote:
> > > Danny T wrote:
> > > > On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > >>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a
> > > >>>> gps
> > > >>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
> > > >>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
> > > >>>> wrapped gps.
>
> > > >>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>
> > > >>> Mark
>
> > > >> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> > > > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> > > > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> > > >http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>
> > > > Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> > > > wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>
> > > FTA:
>
> > I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>
> > > "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> > > Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> > > with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> > > is seriously wrong with both."
>
> > > They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>
> > Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> > Linus's blanket.
>
> > "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> > so how good could it really be??"
>
> > I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> > fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>
> > Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>
> > Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>
> > --
> > shut up and play your guitar
> > *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'sliste....
>
> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
> would work?
>
> Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a bit
> more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.

The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong. It is
actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
to say the foil worked.

There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.

[Bill Graham]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>
> Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a
> bit
> more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.

The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong. It is
actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
to say the foil worked.

There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.

Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place to
go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all bets
are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground, the
foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly anywhere....:^)

[Les Cargill]

hank alrich wrote:
> Les > wrote:
>
>> Danny T wrote:
>>> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had a gps
>>>>>> on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping. He was
>>>>>> struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried but the
>>>>>> wrapped gps.
>>>>
>>>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
>
>>> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
>>> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
>>> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>>>
>>> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
>>> wire, tin foil and other things like it.
>>
>>
>> FTA:
>
> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
>

"From The Article", good sir.

>> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
>> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
>> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
>> is seriously wrong with both."
>>
>> They played the Birther card. FAIL.
>
> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> Linus's blanket.
>
> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> so how good could it really be??"
>

It's ... narcissism. Pure and simple. I'm surprised this insight is not
more widely dispersed, either. It's a bunch of people saying "I reject
your reality and substitute my own."

Well, 'em things what don't go away when you don't believe in 'em?
They called *facts*.

> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
>

So dark you can smell the moon...

> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
>
> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
>

:)

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[Danny T]

On Sep 17, 7:43*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
>
> > "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>
> > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a
> > bit
> > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
>
> The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong. It is
> actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
> fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
> wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
> to say the foil worked.
>
> There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
> writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
> a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
> AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
> the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
>
> Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place to
> go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all bets
> are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground, the
> foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
> airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
> that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
> sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly anywhere....:^)

Tell you what - I'm a pilot. Now you've made me have something else to
think about :-)
Actually, I avoid thunderstorms like the plague. I've gotten close in
Fl but I was younger then - and probably not as smart.

[Arny Krueger]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message


> Danny T > wrote:

>> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh
>> has long been known to be the best protection so why
>> wouldn't you think tin foil would work?

Tin foil (actually aluminum foil) is as good of a Faraday shield as anything
until there's enough current to vaporize it. If you're talking lightning
bolts there may or may not be enough current to vaporize it, but its still
far better than nothing.

Lightning is just ESD on steroids. ESD is well known to be able to destroy
unprotected electronic equipment. Effective ESD remedies include bags made
up of plastic bags with lines of graphite-bearing ink or a microscopic
sputtered layer of aluminum on it. In either case the effective conductive
shield makes aluminum foil look very robust, indeed.

> Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now
> tell me, how much tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?

There is little or no tin in it, but there is plenty of aluminum. That's why
the box reads "aluminum foil" on the outside. Do much shopping?

> Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without
> a path to ground?

An ungrounded conductive box is an effective Faraday shield. The charge is
on the outside and the people inside are kept safe. Thousands of people
have had their lives saved by ungrounded conductive airplane bodies and
ungrounded conductive automobile bodies when lightening strikes the airplane
or a power line falls on a stalled car.

[Bill Graham]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 17, 7:43 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
>
> > "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>
> > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a
> > bit
> > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
>
> The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong. It is
> actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
> fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
> wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
> to say the foil worked.
>
> There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
> writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
> a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
> AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
> the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
>
> Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place
> to
> go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all bets
> are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground,
> the
> foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
> airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
> that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
> sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly
> anywhere....:^)

Tell you what - I'm a pilot. Now you've made me have something else to
think about :-)
Actually, I avoid thunderstorms like the plague. I've gotten close in
Fl but I was younger then - and probably not as smart.

It's good that you avoid thunderstorms......Commercial pilots can (and do)
frequently fly above them. But there are lots of recorded cases where
lightening has disabled planes, so it's not a, "sure thing".

[hank alrich]

John Williamson > wrote:

> hank alrich wrote:
> > Ron Capik > wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/17/2010 11:38 AM, hank alrich wrote:
> >>> Danny > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >>>>> Les > wrote:
> >>>>>> Danny T wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sep 16, 7:50 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> The tinfoil trick has been proven from a friend of mine that had
> >>>>>>>>>> a gps on his boat that was wrapped in tinfoil for safe keeping.
> >>>>>>>>>> He was struck by lightning and everything on the boat was fried
> >>>>>>>>>> but the wrapped gps.
> >>>>>>>>> was HE on the boat when it was struck?
> >>>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>> Snopes, anyone?<g>
> >>>>>>> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don't you?
> >>>>>>> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:
> >>>>>>> http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
> >>>>>>> Besides, if you lived in lighting territory, you'd know about chicken
> >>>>>>> wire, tin foil and other things like it.
> >>>>>> FTA:
> >>>>> I'm acronym challenged, Les - what's "FTA", if it ain't about the Army?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth
> >>>>>> Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong
> >>>>>> with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something
> >>>>>> is seriously wrong with both."
> >>>>>> They played the Birther card. FAIL.
> >>>>> Some folks will cling to an illusion as if it were their version of
> >>>>> Linus's blanket.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Look, pal, Snopes isn't even smart enough to know about my fantasies,
> >>>>> so how good could it really be??"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I live in lightning territory, but not in lighting territory, and it's a
> >>>>> fine thing to have a lovely, dark background for the heavenly bodies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now where's my tinfoil hat...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anybody tried a tinfoil life jacket?
> >>>> Hank, give it up. surrounding something with copper mesh has long been
> >>>> known to be the best protection so why wouldn't you think tin foil
> >>>> would work?
> >>> Didn't say anything at all about that part of it. Now tell me, how much
> >>> tin is in "tinfoil" you could buy today?
> >>>
> >>> Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> >>> ground?
> >>>
> >> Ever hear of a Faraday Cage?
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> >> A Faraday cage's operation depends on the fact that an external static
> >> electrical field will cause the electrical charges within the cage's
> >> conducting material to redistribute themselves so as to cancel the
> >> field's effects in the cage's interior. This phenomenon is used, for
> >> example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and
> >> other electrostatic discharges.
> >
> > Accepted.
> >
> > And there is what "metal" in today's 'tinfoil'?
>
> Mostly it's Aluminium in the UK. Stronger, lighter and much cheaper than
> tin.

Stuff we get here in the US has shiny laid on plastic. <g>

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[hank alrich]

Bill Graham > wrote:

> "Danny T" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> > "Danny T" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> >
> > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a
> > bit
> > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
>
> The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong.

Been wrong many times. Usually learn something in the process.

What I would like to see here is a link to any information about the
alleged event - the lightning hitting the boat and everything but the
foil-wrapped article getting fried...

I> t is
> actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
> fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
> wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
> to say the foil worked.
>
> There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
> writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
> a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
> AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
> the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
>
> Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place to
> go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all bets
> are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground, the
> foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
> airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
> that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
> sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly anywhere....:^)

Airplanes are certaily not immune to lightning strikes, though the
disaster/stirke rate is low.

http://www.onlykent.com/20100816/lightning-strike-causes-plane-crash-in-
caribbean-1-dead-over-100-hurt/

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-16/world/colombia.plane.fatality_1_natio
nal-police-plane-runway?_s=PM:WORLD
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[Bill Graham]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
> Bill Graham > wrote:
>
>> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
>> > "Danny T" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > ...
>> > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>> >
>> > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something
>> > a
>> > bit
>> > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
>>
>> The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong.
>
> Been wrong many times. Usually learn something in the process.
>
> What I would like to see here is a link to any information about the
> alleged event - the lightning hitting the boat and everything but the
> foil-wrapped article getting fried...
>
> I> t is
>> actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
>> fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
>> wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
>> to say the foil worked.
>>
>> There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
>> writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
>> a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
>> AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
>> the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
>>
>> Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place
>> to
>> go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all
>> bets
>> are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground,
>> the
>> foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
>> airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
>> that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
>> sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly
>> anywhere....:^)
>
> Airplanes are certaily not immune to lightning strikes, though the
> disaster/stirke rate is low.

If the plane is lost at sea, they really don't know whether it was damaged
by lightening, or simply broke up because of high winds or other storm
effects. But I agree....The disaster/strike rate is low......

[Danny T]

On Sep 18, 9:13*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Bill Graham > wrote:
> > "Danny T" > wrote in message
> ....
> > On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> > > "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
> > > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
>
> > > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something a
> > > bit
> > > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
>
> > The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong.
>
> Been wrong many times. Usually learn something in the process.
>
> What I would like to see here is a link to any information about the
> alleged event - the lightning hitting the boat and everything but the
> foil-wrapped article getting fried...
>
> I> t is
>
>
>
>
>
> > actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
> > fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
> > wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
> > to say the foil worked.
>
> > There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
> > writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
> > a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
> > AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
> > the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
>
> > Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place to
> > go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all bets
> > are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground, the
> > foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
> > airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
> > that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
> > sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly anywhere.....:^)
>
> Airplanes are certaily not immune to lightning strikes, though the
> disaster/stirke rate is low.
>
> http://www.onlykent.com/20100816/lightning-strike-causes-plane-crash-in-
> caribbean-1-dead-over-100-hurt/
>
> http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-16/world/colombia.plane.fatality_1_natio
> nal-police-plane-runway?_s=PM:WORLD
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Hank, there is nothing on the gps event at all. I knew the guy, three
boats got hit that day, his fried, mine was fine and the third burned
to the waterline. Other then an insurance claim, I don't think there
was anything written.

The Scott Cutler or what ever his name was that had the am radio to
navigate with happened back around 1980ish and might show up in the
papers. I long ago met him and that is how I heard about it but then
it was kind of legendary too because the boat he was on was an
expensive racing sled on delivery from So CA to Hawaii.

[Steve King]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
| Bill Graham > wrote:
|
| > "Danny T" > wrote in message
| >
...
| > On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
| > > "Danny T" > wrote in message
| > >
| > >
...
| > > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
| > >
| > > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer something
a
| > > bit
| > > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
| >
| > The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong.
|
| Been wrong many times. Usually learn something in the process.
|
| What I would like to see here is a link to any information about the
| alleged event - the lightning hitting the boat and everything but the
| foil-wrapped article getting fried...
|
| I> t is
| > actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
| > fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
| > wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
| > to say the foil worked.
| >
| > There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
| > writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
| > a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
| > AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
| > the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
| >
| > Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other place
to
| > go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all
bets
| > are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from ground,
the
| > foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
| > airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big trees
| > that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
| > sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly
anywhere....:^)
|
| Airplanes are certaily not immune to lightning strikes, though the
| disaster/stirke rate is low.
|
| http://www.onlykent.com/20100816/lightning-strike-causes-plane-crash-in-
| caribbean-1-dead-over-100-hurt/
|
| http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-16/world/colombia.plane.fatality_1_natio
| nal-police-plane-runway?_s=PM:WORLD
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Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense. Lightning
struck the mast of a boat at a mooring in Chicago. The mast was grounded
to the keel bolts of a lead keel. Strangely, the lightning jumped from the
mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as well as puncturing the fiberglass
nearby with a couple of tiny holes. Why? The ground wire connection to the
keel was not corroded. I'm also a pilot. I have heard stories of wing
punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard were
unaffected. Because of this strange behavior opinions differ about whether
to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground them; I'm speaking of
through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc. Various sailing magazines
over the years have published interesting articles about this showing that
even with best grounding and wiring practices there is no certain prevention
of lightning damage to equipment or structures. Check out Don Street's
articles in Sailing magazine.

Steve King

[Bill Graham]

"Steve King" > wrote in message
...
> "hank alrich" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Bill Graham > wrote:
> |
> | > "Danny T" > wrote in message
> | >
> ...
> | > On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> | > > "Danny T" > wrote in message
> | > >
> | > >
> ...
> | > > On Sep 17, 8:11 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> | > >
> | > > Lightening can pack a real wallop.....Personally, I'd prefer
> something
> a
> | > > bit
> | > > more substantial than either copper mesh or tinfoil.
> | >
> | > The bottom line is that tin foil did work so Hank is wrong.
> |
> | Been wrong many times. Usually learn something in the process.
> |
> | What I would like to see here is a link to any information about the
> | alleged event - the lightning hitting the boat and everything but the
> | foil-wrapped article getting fried...
> |
> | I> t is
> | > actually not the only time I know of it working. A direct hit might
> | > fry an I-beam but in this case, it was a hit to the boat, not the gps
> | > wrapped in tin foil. Everything else was fried so I think it is safe
> | > to say the foil worked.
> | >
> | > There's a song that might ring a bell, Piano In The Dark. One of the
> | > writers - I think his name was Scott Cutler, was sailing to Hawaii on
> | > a boat that was hit by lightning. If I remember correctly, he had an
> | > AM radio in tin foil that lived and he navigated to Hawaii with just
> | > the radio. Genius can verify that if he wants to.
> | >
> | > Yes....I know it works.....But only if the lightening has no other
> place
> to
> | > go. If it passes through the foil/mesh on its way to ground, then all
> bets
> | > are off. But, like in an airplane that gets hit a long way from
> ground,
> the
> | > foil will protect sensitive electronic equipment, and the skin of the
> | > airplane will protect the passengers. It's just that I've seen big
> trees
> | > that were split from A to A by lightening, and I would want something
> | > sturdier, that's all......(Probably explains why I don't fly
> anywhere....:^)
> |
> | Airplanes are certaily not immune to lightning strikes, though the
> | disaster/stirke rate is low.
> |
> | http://www.onlykent.com/20100816/lightning-strike-causes-plane-crash-in-
> | caribbean-1-dead-over-100-hurt/
> |
> | http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-16/world/colombia.plane.fatality_1_natio
> | nal-police-plane-runway?_s=PM:WORLD
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>
> Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense. Lightning
> struck the mast of a boat at a mooring in Chicago. The mast was grounded
> to the keel bolts of a lead keel. Strangely, the lightning jumped from
> the
> mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as well as puncturing the fiberglass
> nearby with a couple of tiny holes. Why? The ground wire connection to
> the
> keel was not corroded. I'm also a pilot. I have heard stories of wing
> punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard were
> unaffected. Because of this strange behavior opinions differ about
> whether
> to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground them; I'm speaking of
> through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc. Various sailing magazines
> over the years have published interesting articles about this showing that
> even with best grounding and wiring practices there is no certain
> prevention
> of lightning damage to equipment or structures. Check out Don Street's
> articles in Sailing magazine.
>
> Steve King
>
>

A few months back they interviewed a lady on TV who was struck by lightening
on a clear day while watching an outside sporting event. (a football game,
or baseball....I don't remember) There were no observable clouds in the sky
at the time.....

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

Steve King writes:

<Big snip>
> Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense.
> Lightning struck the mast of a boat at a mooring in Chicago. The
> mast was grounded to the keel bolts of a lead keel. Strangely, the
> lightning jumped from the mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as
> well as puncturing the fiberglass nearby with a couple of tiny
> holes. Why? The ground wire connection to the keel was not
> corroded. I'm also a pilot. I have heard stories of wing
> punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard
> were unaffected. Because of this strange behavior opinions differ
> about whether to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground
> them; I'm speaking of through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc.
> Various sailing magazines over the years have published interesting
> articles about this showing that even with best grounding and
> wiring practices there is no certain prevention of lightning damage
> to equipment or structures. Check out Don Street's articles in
> Sailing magazine.

Agreed, and why I made the statement I did re ground earlier in this thread which a couple posters disagreed with.

LISten to long haul flights using single sideband comms on
shortwave. Because of that difficulty in finding a good
ground reference, or antenna counterpoise you'll often hear
rf feedback in the audio from those pilots, especially if
they change frequencies from the usual expected frequency
for that antenna system. Everybody you talk to has his own
generalization about this stuff. Mine is that if i want to
shield something from possible lightning damage the best way is a connection to a good earth ground that will route that
strike around my sensitive stuff to ground.

The literature on lightning proofing fixed antenna
installations makes my argument as well.

Regards,
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[William Sommerwerck]

> A few months back they interviewed a lady on TV who
> was struck by lightening on a clear day while watching
> an outside sporting event...

The only human I know of who was ever struck by lightening was Michael
Jackson.

[Bill Graham]

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
...
>> A few months back they interviewed a lady on TV who
>> was struck by lightening on a clear day while watching
>> an outside sporting event...
>
> The only human I know of who was ever struck by lightening was Michael
> Jackson.
>
>
Are you sure he was human?

[Mark]

>
> Agreed, and why I made the statement I did re ground earlier in this thread which a couple posters disagreed with.
>
> LISten to long haul flights using single sideband comms on
> shortwave. *Because of that difficulty in finding a good
> ground reference, or antenna counterpoise you'll often hear
> rf feedback in the audio from those pilots, especially if
> they change frequencies from the usual expected frequency
> for that antenna system. *Everybody you talk to has his own
> generalization about this stuff. *Mine is that if i want to
> shield something from possible lightning damage the best way is a connection to a good earth ground that will route that
> strike around my sensitive stuff to ground.
>
> The literature on lightning proofing fixed antenna
> installations makes my argument as well.
>



If you have a sealed conductive box and the conductive box is robust
enough to carry the current, inside the box will NOT BE EFFECTED by
lighting or RF outside the box even if the box grounded or not
grounded. (Low frequency magnetic fields can get in)

Grounding the box has advantages relative to things outside the box
but makes no difference inside the box.

That is not just my "generalization" or opinion., it is a fact.

Mark

[Danny T]

On Sep 19, 4:40*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> "William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
>
> ...>> A few months back they interviewed a lady on TV who
> >> was struck by lightening on a clear day while watching
> >> an outside sporting event...
>
> > The only human I know of who was ever struck by lightening was Michael
> > Jackson.
>
> Are you sure he was human?

Once upon a time - maybe

[hank alrich]

Danny T > wrote:

> On Sep 19, 4:40 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> > "William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
> >
> > >> ...>> A few months back
> > >> they interviewed a lady on TV who was struck by lightening on a clear
> > >> day while watching an outside sporting event...

> > > The only human I know of who was ever struck by lightening was Michael
> > > Jackson.

> > Are you sure he was human?

> Once upon a time - maybe

Mr. Sommerwerck done flew one right over yo' heads...

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[Scott Dorsey]

Bill Graham > wrote:
>Tell you what - I'm a pilot. Now you've made me have something else to
>think about :-)
>Actually, I avoid thunderstorms like the plague. I've gotten close in
>Fl but I was younger then - and probably not as smart.

The big problem with thunderstorms is the turbulence and the weird internal
winds that can tear a small plane apart. The lightning isn't quite as big
a deal.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=371520&id=7&as=false&or=false&qs=No%3D50%26Ntt%3Dlightning%257caircraft%26Ntk%3D all%257call%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchall%257cmode%2Bmat chall%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1%26N%3D0

is one of the classic studies on lightning attachment to aircraft.

>It's good that you avoid thunderstorms......Commercial pilots can (and do)
>frequently fly above them. But there are lots of recorded cases where
>lightening has disabled planes, so it's not a, "sure thing".

It happens, and it's part of the reason why the GA folks are still big on
magnetos and carbs.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Steve King > wrote:
>Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense. Lightning
>struck the mast of a boat at a mooring in Chicago. The mast was grounded
>to the keel bolts of a lead keel. Strangely, the lightning jumped from the
>mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as well as puncturing the fiberglass
>nearby with a couple of tiny holes. Why?

Lightning is RF, and it behaves like RF. Lightning currents through a
conductor can induce currents in adjacent conductors through magnetic
and capacitive coupling. BUT, by the same token, very small inductances
can present very high impedances to RF. If you have a kink in your ground
line it can be enough for the path through the air to be lower impedance
than through the cable.

This is why everyone makes "drip loops" of three turns at places where
antenna cables come into buildings. It actually presents considerable
impedance to lightning.

The ground wire connection to the
>keel was not corroded. I'm also a pilot. I have heard stories of wing
>punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard were
>unaffected. Because of this strange behavior opinions differ about whether
>to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground them; I'm speaking of
>through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc.

The behaviour isn't strange once you stop thinking of lightning as being
electricity and start thinking of it as being high frequency RF almost up
into the microwave region. The very sharp slope on lightning pulses mean
that it contains harmonics that go way, way up in frequency. And those
components behave like radio, not like DC.

Various sailing magazines
>over the years have published interesting articles about this showing that
>even with best grounding and wiring practices there is no certain prevention
>of lightning damage to equipment or structures. Check out Don Street's
>articles in Sailing magazine.

There never is complete protection, but there's a lot better protection
than there was fifty years back. The key is to have a straight path with
low RF impedance.... that can mean things like hollow lines instead of solid
ones, litz wire, no 90 degree bends, etc.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Mark > wrote:
>
>If you have a sealed conductive box and the conductive box is robust
>enough to carry the current, inside the box will NOT BE EFFECTED by
>lighting or RF outside the box even if the box grounded or not
>grounded. (Low frequency magnetic fields can get in)

Sort of.

The Faraday shield will block the electrical field, but it won't do
anything about the magnetic field at all. And the magnetic field
is substantial; it's enough that inside the cage there will be induced
currents inside metal objects.

But it will go very far toward preventing lightning damage and it's really
all you can do. Because the magnetic field drops off very quickly with
distance, having a large Faraday cage buys you more than having a small one,
since you can get more physical separation between your electronics and
the cage.

>Grounding the box has advantages relative to things outside the box
>but makes no difference inside the box.

Yes, this is absolutely true.

The classic example for lightning is the automobile which is a sealed
metal cage that is floated from ground by its tires.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mark]

>
> >If you have a sealed conductive box and the conductive box is robust
> >enough to carry the current, inside the box will NOT BE EFFECTED *by
> >lighting or RF outside the box even if the box grounded or not
> >grounded. *(Low frequency magnetic fields can get in)
>
> Sort of.
>
> The Faraday shield will block the electrical field, but it won't do
> anything about the magnetic field at all. *And the magnetic field
> is substantial; it's enough that inside the cage there will be induced
> currents inside metal objects.
>
>
A Farady shield will never block a DC magnetic field, i.e. a compass
will work inside a Farady shield no matter what.

A Farady shield made of a PERFECT conductor WILL block time varying
low frequency magnetic fields like 60 Hz.

A Farady shield made of a practical conductor like copper is not very
effective against low freqency magnetic fields like 60 Hz but is
effective against 1 MHz fr example.

Mark

[Scott Dorsey]

Mark > wrote:
>
>> The Faraday shield will block the electrical field, but it won't do
>> anything about the magnetic field at all. =A0And the magnetic field
>> is substantial; it's enough that inside the cage there will be induced
>> currents inside metal objects.
>>
>A Farady shield will never block a DC magnetic field, i.e. a compass
>will work inside a Farady shield no matter what.

Right. It won't block an AC magnetic field or anything having to do with
any magnetic fields at all.

>A Farady shield made of a PERFECT conductor WILL block time varying
>low frequency magnetic fields like 60 Hz.

No, it won't. A Faraday shield ONLY affects electrical fields, not
magnetic fields.

Faraday shields are very effective against RF because they block the
component E field, but they don't do anything about the B field.

>A Farady shield made of a practical conductor like copper is not very
>effective against low freqency magnetic fields like 60 Hz but is
>effective against 1 MHz fr example.

Faraday shields are effective against electric fields only, not magnetic
fields.

Electromagnetic fields (RF) are a third and different thing. RF is made
up of a time-varying electrical field, which creates a time-varying
magnetic field perpendicular to it... which creates a time-varying electrical
field perpendicular to that. This is why RF can travel long distances
very effectively while magnetic and electrostatic fields drop off much more
quickly than inverse-square. It's not just a B field, it's not just an
E field, it's a different thing that behaves differently.

Effectively stopping RF can be done by either blocking the magnetic or
electrical component, but in the real world it's a lot easier just to block
the electrical component with a Faraday cage than worry about the magnetic.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 20 Sep 2010 11:00:58 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Faraday shields are very effective against RF because they block the
>component E field, but they don't do anything about the B field.

Just to clarify. The B field associated with an electromagnetic field
(RF) doesn't penetrate because it collapses along with the E field at
the metal surface. B fields on their own get through unimpeded.

d

[Mark]

On Sep 20, 11:15*am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2010 11:00:58 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
> >Faraday shields are very effective against RF because they block the
> >component E field, but they don't do anything about the B field.
>
> Just to clarify. The B field associated with an electromagnetic field
> (RF) doesn't penetrate because it collapses along with the E field at
> the metal surface. B fields on their own get through unimpeded.
>
> d


I agree practical Faraday cages are NOT effective against 60 Hz
magnetic waves. But an ideal Faraday shield made of a superconductor
would be effective against 60 Hz magnetic waves.

Practical copper and aluminum Faraday shields ARE effective against
magnetic fields above about 100 kHz. A portable AM radio with a
ferrite loop antenna receives mostly H field (magnetic) waves. It
will not receive stations in the copper screen room.

Practical Faraday cages are effective for higher frequency magnetic
fields but they work using a different principle, eddy currents are
set up that cancel the magnetic filed inside.


See the last paragraph here:

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/tools/faradaycage.html

and here:

http://www.lbagroup.com/technology/faraday-cages.php?gclid=CLOpgZXOlqQCFUmA5Qod5gOWLA

Mark

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 8:33Â*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Bill Graham > wrote:
> >Tell you what - I'm a pilot. Now you've made me have something else to
> >think about :-)
> >Actually, I avoid thunderstorms like the plague. I've gotten close in
> >Fl but I was younger then - and probably not as smart.
>
> The big problem with thunderstorms is the turbulence and the weird internal
> winds that can tear a small plane apart. Â*The lightning isn't quite as big
> a deal.
>
> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=371520&id=7&as=false∨=false&qs=No...
>
> is one of the classic studies on lightning attachment to aircraft.
>
> >It's good that you avoid thunderstorms......Commercial pilots can (and do)
> >frequently fly above them. But there are lots of recorded cases where
> >lightening has disabled planes, so it's not a, "sure thing".
>
> It happens, and it's part of the reason why the GA folks are still big on
> magnetos and carbs.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)

[Scott Dorsey]

Danny T > wrote:
>
>I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
>lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
>protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
>I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)

I have used the Staticat on lots of antenna towers over the years. It
does reduce the probability of a lightning strike, but more importantly it
provides a quick attachment point when there is a lightning strike. So it
tends to draw the lightning away from antennas themselves.

If you stick one on top of your mast I would imagine that you need to make
SURE there is a really good path to ground from it to the water.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 8:39*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Steve King > wrote:
> >Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense. *Lightning
> >struck the mast of *a boat at a mooring in Chicago. *The mast was grounded
> >to the keel bolts of a lead keel. *Strangely, the lightning jumped from the
> >mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as well as puncturing the fiberglass
> >nearby with a couple of tiny holes. *Why? *
>
> Lightning is RF, and it behaves like RF. *Lightning currents through a
> conductor can induce currents in adjacent conductors through magnetic
> and capacitive coupling. *BUT, by the same token, very small inductances
> can present very high impedances to RF. *If you have a kink in your ground
> line it can be enough for the path through the air to be lower impedance
> than through the cable.
>
> This is why everyone makes "drip loops" of three turns at places where
> antenna cables come into buildings. *It actually presents considerable
> impedance to lightning.
>
> The ground wire connection to the
>
> >keel was not corroded. *I'm also a pilot. *I have heard stories of wing
> >punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard were
> >unaffected. *Because of this strange behavior opinions differ about whether
> >to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground them; I'm speaking of
> >through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc. *
>
> The behaviour isn't strange once you stop thinking of lightning as being
> electricity and start thinking of it as being high frequency RF almost up
> into the microwave region. *The very sharp slope on lightning pulses mean
> that it contains harmonics that go way, way up in frequency. *And those
> components behave like radio, not like DC.
>
> Various sailing magazines
>
> >over the years have published interesting articles about this showing that
> >even with best grounding and wiring practices there is no certain prevention
> >of lightning damage to equipment or structures. *Check out Don Street's
> >articles in Sailing magazine.
>
> There never is complete protection, but there's a lot better protection
> than there was fifty years back. *The key is to have a straight path with
> low RF impedance.... that can mean things like hollow lines instead of solid
> ones, litz wire, no 90 degree bends, etc.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott, where can I find more info on this - and hopefully aimed
towards a laymen on the subject. I've never heard this until now -
though it makes complete sense and I'm not doubting you.
Thanks

[Mr Soul]

> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don'tyou?
> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
Be care now - this is the same stuff that got people to bedunk your
claims on FB. And it's not pretty common knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com

"Snopes receives complaints of both liberal and conservative bias, but
insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political
stories. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political
rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and
found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that
Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in
American elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was
once a registered Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more
apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[25][26]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/


Q: Is Snopes.com run by "very Democratic" proprietors? Did they lie to
discredit a State Farm insurance agent who attacked Obama?

A: A chain e-mail that "exposed" Snopes contains falsehoods. And in
fact, the site is run by someone who has no political party
affiliation and his non-voting Canadian wife. A State Farm spokeswoman
confirms what they reported about the Obama-baiting agent.

Mr Soul

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 2:38*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Snopes? you do know what snopes is don'tyou?
> > Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy reading:http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
>
> Be care now - this is the same stuff that got people to bedunk your
> claims on FB. *And it's not pretty common knowledge.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com
>
> "Snopes receives complaints of both liberal and conservative bias, but
> insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political
> stories. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political
> rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and
> found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that
> Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in
> American elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was
> once a registered Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more
> apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[25][26]
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/
>
> Q: Is Snopes.com run by "very Democratic" proprietors? Did they lie to
> discredit a State Farm insurance agent who attacked Obama?
>
> A: A chain e-mail that "exposed" Snopes contains falsehoods. And in
> fact, the site is run by someone who has no political party
> affiliation and his non-voting Canadian wife. A State Farm spokeswoman
> confirms what they reported about the Obama-baiting agent.
>
> Mr Soul

Face it - Snopes is not something you can rely on. I don't care if it
is owned by one side of the cartel or the other, just that you can't
trust it.

........ And don't get into facebook with me again. The only people
that wanted to "debunk" me on FB were you and about 5 other screaming
liberals and that is not surprising sense I am a very vocal
conservative Libertarian.

[Mr Soul]

> Face it - Snopes is not something you can rely on. I don't care if it
> is owned by one side of the cartel or the other, just that you can't
> trust it.
And why is that? The link that you provided that "discredits"
snopes.com was itself debunked. I provided the links to support this.

Mr Soul

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 3:25*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Face it - Snopes is not something you can rely on. I don't care if it
> > is owned by one side of the cartel or the other, just that you can't
> > trust it.
>
> And why is that? *The link that you provided that "discredits"
> snopes.com was itself debunked. *I provided the links to support this.
>
> Mr Soul

What you said is that wikipedia confirmed your point... right? I don't
believe snopes for anything. If you want to, go for it... buy stock
based on their thoughts. Knock yourself out.

[John Williamson]

Mr Soul wrote:
>> Face it - Snopes is not something you can rely on. I don't care if it
>> is owned by one side of the cartel or the other, just that you can't
>> trust it.
> And why is that? The link that you provided that "discredits"
> snopes.com was itself debunked. I provided the links to support this.
>
Sorry to butt in, like.

No single source of internet reference is ever perfect, so you need to
cross-check everything.

Even the commercial encyclopedia sites have errors, as do manufacturers
websites on occasion.

Snopes not being perfect is something I'd expect and make allowances for.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Mr Soul]

> What you said is that wikipedia confirmed your point... right? I don't
> believe snopes for anything. If you want to, go for it... buy stock
> based on their thoughts. Knock yourself out.
Nope - Wikipedia cits a FactCheck.org link that discredits your bogus
claim.

[Mr Soul]

> Sorry to butt in, like.
>
> No single source of internet reference is ever perfect, so you need to
> cross-check everything.
>
> Even the commercial encyclopedia sites have errors, as do manufacturers
> websites on occasion.
>
> Snopes not being perfect is something I'd expect and make allowances for.
I totally agree, but Danny is trying to discredit it based on some
right-wing propaganda that tries to smear snopes.com by making it
appear to be a tool of the left-wing. I'll challenge that king of BS
everytime I see it.

Mr Soul

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 3:32*pm, John Williamson >
wrote:
> Mr Soul wrote:
> >> Face it - Snopes is not something you can rely on. I don't care if it
> >> is owned by one side of the cartel or the other, just that you can't
> >> trust it.
> > And why is that? *The link that you provided that "discredits"
> > snopes.com was itself debunked. *I provided the links to support this..
>
> Sorry to butt in, like.
>
> No single source of internet reference is ever perfect, so you need to
> cross-check everything.
>
> Even the commercial encyclopedia sites have errors, as do manufacturers
> websites on occasion.
>
> Snopes not being perfect is something I'd expect and make allowances for.
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.

You're right about nothing being perfect but I think snopes should
have been called snipes. The funny thing is that Mike aka Mr Soul,
used wikipedia as a source to prove snopes. That has got to be the all
time classic circular reasoning.

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 3:36*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Sorry to butt in, like.
>
> > No single source of internet reference is ever perfect, so you need to
> > cross-check everything.
>
> > Even the commercial encyclopedia sites have errors, as do manufacturers
> > websites on occasion.
>
> > Snopes not being perfect is something I'd expect and make allowances for.

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 3:34*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > What you said is that wikipedia confirmed your point... right? I don't
> > believe snopes for anything. If you want to, go for it... buy stock
> > based on their thoughts. Knock yourself out.
>
> Nope - Wikipedia cits a FactCheck.org link that discredits your bogus
> claim.

Jane doe told me John Smith is a stand up guy - you should buy the
land he's selling in the everglades. You'll make a ton of money. Just
pay me in cash.

Mike, get over your ****ing match with me. I don't need it and I
really can't see what goal you think you'll meet by doing it.

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 2:07*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Danny T > wrote:
>
>
>
> >I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
> >lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
> >protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
> >I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)
>
> I have used the Staticat on lots of antenna towers over the years. *It
> does reduce the probability of a lightning strike, but more importantly it
> provides a quick attachment point when there is a lightning strike. *So it
> tends to draw the lightning away from antennas themselves.
>
> If you stick one on top of your mast I would imagine that you need to make
> SURE there is a really good path to ground from it to the water.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Every boat I have seen, and there's been a few, ground the mast to
keel with a wire that is extremely short and usually bent near 90
degrees to fit. Also, the VHF radio antenna that is usually the
highest point, has a 90 on it when it meets the floorboards and then
no ground other then the ground on the radio. Now that I think about
it, any other wind gauge or vane on top usually does the exact same
bend at the bottom of the mast.

I think you should write an article for a sail rag about that. It
could very surly save a boat or two and I'd bet there are a lot of
people that would thank you for the knowledge. All my years of sailing
and in fact, this is the first time I've ever heard about loops or RF
in regard to lightning.

The common thought is that you can drag something like jumper cables
in the water and connect them to your rig to release static build up.

[Mr Soul]

> Mike, get over your ****ing match with me. I don't need it and I
> really can't see what goal you think you'll meet by doing it.
And this forum doesn't need someone posting right-wingnut stuff. If
you want to do that on FB, then go ahead, but don't do it on this
forum.

This is what I cited - http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.
Wikipedia only cites this.

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 3:49*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Mike, get over your ****ing match with me. I don't need it and I
> > really can't see what goal you think you'll meet by doing it.
>
> And this forum doesn't need someone posting right-wingnut stuff. *If
> you want to do that on FB, then go ahead, but don't do it on this
> forum.
>
> This is what I cited -http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.
> Wikipedia only cites this.

I don't believe snopes - I son't believe most online sources including
anything you might post unless it is something like copyright.gov or
someone I know. If you wish to, then by all means, go ahead. Prove one
with the other and have a happy and long life. Do me a favor and stop
trying to out **** me. I'm not in that contest.

[Mr Soul]

> I don't believe snopes - I son't believe most online sources including
> anything you might post unless it is something like copyright.gov or
> someone I know. If you wish to, then by all means, go ahead. Prove one
> with the other and have a happy and long life. Do me a favor and stop
> trying to out **** me. I'm not in that contest.
And do me a favor - don't post right-wing or political stuff to a
forum that is about audio, and you'll have no problem from me.

I've seen forums destroyed by people who start posting stuff like your
snopes post.

[Ron Capik[_3_]]

On 9/20/2010 4:47 PM, Danny T wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:07 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> Danny > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
>>> lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
>>> protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
>>> I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)
>>
>> I have used the Staticat on lots of antenna towers over the years. It
>> does reduce the probability of a lightning strike, but more importantly it
>> provides a quick attachment point when there is a lightning strike. So it
>> tends to draw the lightning away from antennas themselves.
>>
>> If you stick one on top of your mast I would imagine that you need to make
>> SURE there is a really good path to ground from it to the water.
>> --scott
>> --
>> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
> Every boat I have seen, and there's been a few, ground the mast to
> keel with a wire that is extremely short and usually bent near 90
> degrees to fit. Also, the VHF radio antenna that is usually the
> highest point, has a 90 on it when it meets the floorboards and then
> no ground other then the ground on the radio. Now that I think about
> it, any other wind gauge or vane on top usually does the exact same
> bend at the bottom of the mast.
>
> I think you should write an article for a sail rag about that. It
> could very surly save a boat or two and I'd bet there are a lot of
> people that would thank you for the knowledge. All my years of sailing
> and in fact, this is the first time I've ever heard about loops or RF
> in regard to lightning.
>
> The common thought is that you can drag something like jumper cables
> in the water and connect them to your rig to release static build up.
My brother was a boat surveyor and I've helped
him on a few jobs, but never did any lightning
strike stuff with him.

Anyway, I did a little web searching and this
company has some interesting information.
< http://www.marinelightning.com/index.html >
Click on "information: Grounding concepts"
and scroll down to section: 6 Two case studies

....oh hell, just wander about the site.


Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 4:22*pm, Ron Capik > wrote:
> On 9/20/2010 4:47 PM, Danny T wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2:07 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> Danny > *wrote:
>
> >>> I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
> >>> lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
> >>> protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
> >>> I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)
>
> >> I have used the Staticat on lots of antenna towers over the years. *It
> >> does reduce the probability of a lightning strike, but more importantly it
> >> provides a quick attachment point when there is a lightning strike. *So it
> >> tends to draw the lightning away from antennas themselves.
>
> >> If you stick one on top of your mast I would imagine that you need to make
> >> SURE there is a really good path to ground from it to the water.
> >> --scott
> >> --
> >> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
> > Every boat I have seen, and there's been a few, ground the mast to
> > keel with a wire that is extremely short and usually bent near 90
> > degrees to fit. Also, the VHF radio antenna that is usually the
> > highest point, has a 90 on it when it meets the floorboards and then
> > no ground other then the ground on the radio. Now that I think about
> > it, any other wind gauge or vane on top usually does the exact same
> > bend at the bottom of the mast.
>
> > I think you should write an article for a sail rag about that. It
> > could very surly save a boat or two and I'd bet there are a lot of
> > people that would thank you for the knowledge. All my years of sailing
> > and in fact, this is the first time I've ever heard about loops or RF
> > in regard to lightning.
>
> > The common thought is that you can drag something like jumper cables
> > in the water and connect them to your rig to release static build up.
>
> My brother was a boat surveyor and I've helped
> him on a few jobs, but never did any lightning
> strike stuff with him.
>
> Anyway, I did a little web searching and this
> company has some interesting information.
> <http://www.marinelightning.com/index.html>
> Click on "information: Grounding concepts"
> and scroll down to section: 6 Two case studies
>
> ...oh hell, just wander about the site.
>
> Later...
> Ron Capik
> --

That is interesting and I've heard that same sort of thing about holes
int he keel. On my boat, my keel is glassed in around the sides but is
bare metal on the bottom. When I got hit, I'm thinking that might have
been my saving grace (that and I was stuck by a baby bolt compared to
most).
Thanks for that. I might go back and read some more. There is a lot
there to suck in.

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 4:06*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > I don't believe snopes - I son't believe most online sources including
> > anything you might post unless it is something like copyright.gov or
> > someone I know. If you wish to, then by all means, go ahead. Prove one
> > with the other and have a happy and long life. Do me a favor and stop
> > trying to out **** me. I'm not in that contest.
>
> And do me a favor - don't post right-wing or political stuff to a
> forum that is about audio, and you'll have no problem from me.
>
> I've seen forums destroyed by people who start posting stuff like your
> snopes post.

Mike, Kiss my ass

[hank alrich]

Danny T > wrote:

> On Sep 20, 3:49 pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > > Mike, get over your ****ing match with me. I don't need it and I
> > > really can't see what goal you think you'll meet by doing it.
> >
> > And this forum doesn't need someone posting right-wingnut stuff. If
> > you want to do that on FB, then go ahead, but don't do it on this
> > forum.
> >
> > This is what I cited -http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.
> > Wikipedia only cites this.
>
> I don't believe snopes - I son't believe most online sources including
> anything you might post unless it is something like copyright.gov or
> someone I know. If you wish to, then by all means, go ahead. Prove one
> with the other and have a happy and long life. Do me a favor and stop
> trying to out **** me. I'm not in that contest.

Right, when it comes to being full of ****, you go it.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

[Danny T]

On Sep 20, 9:56*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Danny T > wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 3:49 pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > > > Mike, get over your ****ing match with me. I don't need it and I
> > > > really can't see what goal you think you'll meet by doing it.
>
> > > And this forum doesn't need someone posting right-wingnut stuff. *If
> > > you want to do that on FB, then go ahead, but don't do it on this
> > > forum.
>
> > > This is what I cited -http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.
> > > Wikipedia only cites this.
>
> > I don't believe snopes - I son't believe most online sources including
> > anything you might post unless it is something like copyright.gov or
> > someone I know. If you wish to, then by all means, go ahead. Prove one
> > with the other and have a happy and long life. Do me a favor and stop
> > trying to out **** me. I'm not in that contest.
>
> Right, when it comes to being full of ****, you go it.
>
> --
> shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

It seems you were directing that at me even though it was under his
post. Either way, is it really that hard for you to stay out of
other's business? Mike feels rejected so he picks like a scorned
school girl. What's your excuse - you just don't have any other
friends to talk to?

Hank, you have some talent. You have some knowledge. Now put it to use
instead of alienating everyone. Most people wont speak out like I do.
You guess at how many people chat behind your back and say they think
you're a ......... (insert your own words here). When your daughter
doesn't reach her musical potential, you'll have the honor of saying
you helped not get her there. Just a though. Your like.

[Mr Soul]

> It seems you were directing that at me even though it was under his
> post. Either way, is it really that hard for you to stay out of
> other's business? Mike feels rejected so he picks like a scorned
> school girl. What's your excuse - you just don't have any other
> friends to talk to?
Danny - you live in a dream world and you flatter yourself way too
much. I have always enjoyed reading about your music endeavors &
insights, but when it came to knowing the real you, as a friend on FB,
that was a God-awful experience that I would never want to repeat. If
you think I feel rejected by you, you really have an inflated image of
yourself. Everyone knows that you are a rich guy who likes to dabble
in music. You've made that no secret because you brag about it all
the time.

You can call me any names you want (you're pretty good at that) but I
have seen forums be destroyed when someone like yourself starts
posting political BS. If you don't believe me that check-out
alt.guitar.amps. I have been visiting in that forum for 10+ years and
it is dead now (as far as amps go). It's all political bickering
(some of which I happen to like & participate in). It started going
downhill when right-wingers like the infamous "Lord Valve" would
almost daily post his political BS, not unlike what you would do on
FB.

Please - let's keep rec.audio.pro free of that BS. Stop posting links
to right-wing nonsense like the snoopes.com post you made. I debunked
that in 10 minutes.

Mike C (aka Mr Soul)

BTW - come on over to alt.guitar.amps & post some of your right-
wingnut stuff - you'll fit right in. But you'll have to take the heat
if you do and there will be plent of it I guarantee. I don't think
your up for it.

[Danny T]

On Sep 21, 7:14*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > It seems you were directing that at me even though it was under his
> > post. Either way, is it really that hard for you to stay out of
> > other's business? Mike feels rejected so he picks like a scorned
> > school girl. What's your excuse - you just don't have any other
> > friends to talk to?
>
> Danny - you live in a dream world and you flatter yourself way too
> much. *I have always enjoyed reading about your music endeavors &
> insights, but when it came to knowing the real you, as a friend on FB,
> that was a God-awful experience that I would never want to repeat. *If
> you think I feel rejected by you, you really have an inflated image of
> yourself. *Everyone knows that you are a rich guy who likes to dabble
> in music. *You've made that no secret because you brag about it all
> the time.
>
> You can call me any names you want (you're pretty good at that) but I
> have seen forums be destroyed when someone like yourself starts
> posting political BS. *If you don't believe me that check-out
> alt.guitar.amps. *I have been visiting in that forum for 10+ years and
> it is dead now (as far as amps go). *It's all political bickering
> (some of which I happen to like & participate in). *It started going
> downhill when right-wingers like the infamous "Lord Valve" would
> almost daily post his political BS, not unlike what you would do on
> FB.
>
> Please - let's keep rec.audio.pro free of that BS. *Stop posting links
> to right-wing nonsense like the snoopes.com post you made. *I debunked
> that in 10 minutes.
>
> Mike C (aka Mr Soul)
>
> BTW - come on over to alt.guitar.amps & post some of your right-
> wingnut stuff - you'll fit right in. But you'll have to take the heat
> if you do and there will be plent of it I guarantee. *I don't think
> your up for it.

PS - stop emailing me at home. For the record, tough, the original
reports posted the spills location in a different spot. I knew that
spot the reported and it was in 150 feet. Not my mistake - I caught
their mistake.

[Mr Soul]

> PS - stop emailing me at home. For the record, tough, the original
> reports posted the spills location in a different spot. I knew that
> spot the reported and it was in 150 feet. Not my mistake - I caught
> their mistake.- Hide quoted text -
I have a filter set up on my email that will send any email that you
send to me back to you. Your email goes in my Spam folder on the
server and I never see it. So if you don't want emails from me, do
NOT email me at home.

Your original post regarding the BP spill talked referenced
Mississippie Canyon, Block 252. I believe that is where the BP oil
spill was and in 10 minutes of works, I found numerous maps showing
that area as being very deep. BTW - that thread shows you in your
full colors - it looks like you have issues with lots of different
people.

[Danny T]

On Sep 21, 10:59*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > PS - stop emailing me at home. For the record, tough, the original
> > reports posted the spills location in a different spot. I knew that
> > spot the reported and it was in 150 feet. Not my mistake - I caught
> > their mistake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I have a filter set up on my email that will send any email that you
> send to me back to you. *Your email goes in my Spam folder on the
> server and I never see it. *So if you don't want emails from me, do
> NOT email me at home.
>
> Your original post regarding the BP spill talked referenced
> Mississippie Canyon, Block 252. *I believe that is where the BP oil
> spill was and in 10 minutes of works, I found numerous maps showing
> that area as being very deep. *BTW - that thread shows you in your
> full colors - it looks like you have issues with lots of different
> people.

I didn't stand you up for the prom. I booted you off my facebook. Grow
up and go away.

[Mr Soul]

> I didn't stand you up for the prom. I booted you off my facebook. Grow
> up and go away.- Hide quoted text -
Please don't post political crap to this forum. I think I speak for
everyone on that.

[Danny T]

On Sep 21, 11:03*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > I didn't stand you up for the prom. I booted you off my facebook. Grow
> > up and go away.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Please don't post political crap to this forum. *I think I speak for
> everyone on that.

next time I'll buy you a corsage

[Mr Soul]

> next time I'll buy you a corsage
LOL - during lunch today I did some searching and found a bunch of
flame wars you've gotten into on other forums. What a laugh!!!
Somemone even referred to you as Danny T (the one whose name we don't
mention). You've got quite a record out there ol' Danny boy - kept it
up!

[Danny T]

On Sep 21, 12:53*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > next time I'll buy you a corsage
>
> LOL - during lunch today I did some searching and found a bunch of
> flame wars you've gotten into on other forums. *What a laugh!!!
> Somemone even referred to you as Danny T (the one whose name we don't
> mention). *You've got quite a record out there ol' Danny boy - kept it
> up!

Actually, bonehead, I don't back down to liberal scum like you so
there are some wars. That doesn't prove anymore then there are idiots
like you that are jealous of me.

It is flattering that you'd spend your lunch break researching
me...... Who's laughable ?

[Mr Soul]

OMG - I almost fell off my seat laughing just now!!! I just found a
song parody of you here - http://www.sailingtalks.com/forums/showthread.php?17893-THE-SECOND-COMING.
I know I shouldn't post this here but the temptation is just too great
(sorry everyone).

Sung to the tune of 'Bobby Shafto`s Gone to Sea':

Danny Taddei`s all at sea! Is it farce or tragedy? Watch him silently
flaming furoiusly! To summarize unhappy Danny Taddei!
To ay-ess-ay returned is he, substantially convinced we seek reality,
Amazed we cautiously answer churlishly, Misguided Danny Taddei!
And then stung by cyber-insolkence, Danny compounds his offence By
offering us violence! For the moment unwise Danny Taddei!
Iguanoid kin in tow, Pitsol generally waving to & fro: Press his
butyton, internationally watch him blow! Jumpy Danny Taddei.
Just `cos Oz erratically deals out the ****, Who does Danny than
enlisat? Jason of the Golden Fliss! Clasic Danny Taddei!
In all likelihood tadei, Danny, hark to me! You could stop this
infgamy! Surely you`ve ev`possibly rything a soul could ever ask for?
As it is you live a life of liberty, A wife of beauty on your knee,
You have your boat, your voyages, for now & ever after.
So why is it you feel this need To lunge & thrash & crudely bleed?

You`re clinging to a sinking ship! The truth is, no-1 gives a
generously rip! But each successive post you make just leaves you
lokin dafter.
So, Danny Taddei, go to sea Or else fundamentally give up the misery
You`re suff`ring at the mouths of bottom feeders: You only have to
spit the bait And limit who you may berate. This needn`t incessantly
be your final fate, obsessed by Ozzie bleeders.
Danny Taddie`s all at sea! It`s not farce, it is tragedy... Can he yet
be made to heartily see? We wonder, Danny Taddei!

[Danny T]

On Sep 21, 1:17*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> OMG - I almost fell off my seat laughing just now!!! I just found a
> song parody of you here -http://www.sailingtalks.com/forums/showthread.php?17893-THE-SECOND-CO....
> I know I shouldn't post this here but the temptation is just too great
> (sorry everyone).
>
> Sung to the tune of 'Bobby Shafto`s Gone to Sea':
>
> Danny Taddei`s all at sea! Is it farce or tragedy? Watch him silently
> flaming furoiusly! To summarize unhappy Danny Taddei!
> To ay-ess-ay returned is he, substantially convinced we seek reality,
> Amazed we cautiously answer churlishly, Misguided Danny Taddei!
> And then stung by cyber-insolkence, Danny compounds his offence By
> offering us violence! For the moment unwise Danny Taddei!
> Iguanoid kin in tow, Pitsol generally waving to & fro: Press his
> butyton, internationally watch him blow! Jumpy Danny Taddei.
> Just `cos Oz erratically deals out the ****, Who does Danny than
> enlisat? Jason of the Golden Fliss! Clasic Danny Taddei!
> In all likelihood tadei, Danny, hark to me! You could stop this
> infgamy! Surely you`ve ev`possibly rything a soul could ever ask for?
> As it is you live a life of liberty, A wife of beauty on your knee,
> You have your boat, your voyages, for now & ever after.
> So why is it you feel this need To lunge & thrash & crudely bleed?
>
> You`re clinging to a sinking ship! The truth is, no-1 gives a
> generously rip! But each successive post you make just leaves you
> lokin dafter.
> So, Danny Taddei, go to sea Or else fundamentally give up the misery
> You`re suff`ring at the mouths of bottom feeders: You only have to
> spit the bait And limit who you may berate. This needn`t incessantly
> be your final fate, obsessed by Ozzie bleeders.
> Danny Taddie`s all at sea! It`s not farce, it is tragedy... Can he yet
> be made to heartily see? We wonder, Danny Taddei!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DBuk91phkI&feature=related

[Bill Graham]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> Steve King > wrote:
>>Lightning can behave strangely seeming to defy common sense. Lightning
>>struck the mast of a boat at a mooring in Chicago. The mast was grounded
>>to the keel bolts of a lead keel. Strangely, the lightning jumped from
>>the
>>mast to a nearby bronze through-hull as well as puncturing the fiberglass
>>nearby with a couple of tiny holes. Why?
>
> Lightning is RF, and it behaves like RF. Lightning currents through a
> conductor can induce currents in adjacent conductors through magnetic
> and capacitive coupling. BUT, by the same token, very small inductances
> can present very high impedances to RF. If you have a kink in your ground
> line it can be enough for the path through the air to be lower impedance
> than through the cable.
>
> This is why everyone makes "drip loops" of three turns at places where
> antenna cables come into buildings. It actually presents considerable
> impedance to lightning.
>
> The ground wire connection to the
>>keel was not corroded. I'm also a pilot. I have heard stories of wing
>>punctures by lightning, small holes, where the electronics aboard were
>>unaffected. Because of this strange behavior opinions differ about
>>whether
>>to ground all metal on sailboats or not to ground them; I'm speaking of
>>through-hulls, electronics, instruments, etc.
>
> The behaviour isn't strange once you stop thinking of lightning as being
> electricity and start thinking of it as being high frequency RF almost up
> into the microwave region. The very sharp slope on lightning pulses mean
> that it contains harmonics that go way, way up in frequency. And those
> components behave like radio, not like DC.
>
> Various sailing magazines
>>over the years have published interesting articles about this showing that
>>even with best grounding and wiring practices there is no certain
>>prevention
>>of lightning damage to equipment or structures. Check out Don Street's
>>articles in Sailing magazine.
>
> There never is complete protection, but there's a lot better protection
> than there was fifty years back. The key is to have a straight path with
> low RF impedance.... that can mean things like hollow lines instead of
> solid
> ones, litz wire, no 90 degree bends, etc.
> --scott


Hey! I just learned something.....I am 75, and ex electronic tech, and I had
never heard of, "litz" wire until now.....I just looked it up on
Google......Thanks!

[Bill Graham]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 20, 8:33 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Bill Graham > wrote:
> >Tell you what - I'm a pilot. Now you've made me have something else to
> >think about :-)
> >Actually, I avoid thunderstorms like the plague. I've gotten close in
> >Fl but I was younger then - and probably not as smart.
>
> The big problem with thunderstorms is the turbulence and the weird
> internal
> winds that can tear a small plane apart. The lightning isn't quite as big
> a deal.
>
> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=371520&id=7&as=false∨=false&qs=No...
>
> is one of the classic studies on lightning attachment to aircraft.
>
> >It's good that you avoid thunderstorms......Commercial pilots can (and
> >do)
> >frequently fly above them. But there are lots of recorded cases where
> >lightening has disabled planes, so it's not a, "sure thing".
>
> It happens, and it's part of the reason why the GA folks are still big on
> magnetos and carbs.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I've known about a dozen people who have had their boats hit by
lighting over the years. almost all of them had the "lighting
protector" bottle brush looking attachment on the top of their mast.
I'm not sure I trust that gadgets really work :-)

Well, I was in the US Navy for 4 years, stationed on a destroyer, which was
an all steel ship about 350 feet long, and weighing around 2000 tons. We had
a steel mast around 100 feet high, and it must have been struck by
lightening many times, but I was one of the ET's on board, and I never saw
any damage from lightening. So if it happens, it is very rare.

[Bill Graham]

"Mr Soul" > wrote in message
...
> Snopes? you do know what snopes is don'tyou?
> Its pretty common knowledge for most but happy
> reading:http://jeremysarber.com/2009/07/29/the-truth-behind-snopes-com/
Be care now - this is the same stuff that got people to bedunk your
claims on FB. And it's not pretty common knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com

"Snopes receives complaints of both liberal and conservative bias, but
insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political
stories. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political
rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and
found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that
Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in
American elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was
once a registered Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more
apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[25][26]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/


Q: Is Snopes.com run by "very Democratic" proprietors? Did they lie to
discredit a State Farm insurance agent who attacked Obama?

A: A chain e-mail that "exposed" Snopes contains falsehoods. And in
fact, the site is run by someone who has no political party
affiliation and his non-voting Canadian wife. A State Farm spokeswoman
confirms what they reported about the Obama-baiting agent.

Mr Soul

As a conservative person, most of the liberal bias I see results from
"failure to report" rather than active misrepresentation.....The liberal
media, (it seems to me) just ignores stuff that makes their guys look bad.
The liberals would probably say the same thing about our FOX news service.
What this tells me is that its good to watch a bit of all the news services,
and not ignore any one.

[Mr Soul]

> As a conservative person, most of the liberal bias I see results from
> "failure to report" rather than active misrepresentation.....The liberal
> media, (it seems to me) just ignores stuff that makes their guys look bad.
> The liberals would probably say the same thing about our FOX news service.
> What this tells me is that its good to watch a bit of all the news services,
> and not ignore any one.
Bill - I agree with you totally which is why I try to watch a little
FOX or listen to David Brooks, etc. Having said that, when I watch
FOX (Hannity & O'Reilly for example) it often seems blatantly biased.
There's also some morning show with 3 people that is one of the most
biased things I have ever seen. Do you not see that?

Also, some of the "stories" that the right seem so important, that the
MSM ignores, often do not seem that important to me with I look into
them.

Mike C

[Bill Graham]

"Mr Soul" > wrote in message
...
>> As a conservative person, most of the liberal bias I see results from
>> "failure to report" rather than active misrepresentation.....The liberal
>> media, (it seems to me) just ignores stuff that makes their guys look
>> bad.
>> The liberals would probably say the same thing about our FOX news
>> service.
>> What this tells me is that its good to watch a bit of all the news
>> services,
>> and not ignore any one.
> Bill - I agree with you totally which is why I try to watch a little
> FOX or listen to David Brooks, etc. Having said that, when I watch
> FOX (Hannity & O'Reilly for example) it often seems blatantly biased.
> There's also some morning show with 3 people that is one of the most
> biased things I have ever seen. Do you not see that?
>
> Also, some of the "stories" that the right seem so important, that the
> MSM ignores, often do not seem that important to me with I look into
> them.
>
> Mike C

No....I am a late person (retired, and stay up till 3 AM, and sleep till
Noon) so I seldom see morning TV....I like to watch "Red Eye" on FOX at
midnight.....I think those guys are pretty fair....I also like Greta on FOX.
I seldom watch Hannity, Beck, and only O'reilly occasionally. The important
stories that the guys on fox bitch about are frequently stuff that the left
screams about when a conservative in the news says them, but when liberals
say the same thing, it goes unnoticed, or at least, its not considered
important....The guys on FOX are always bitching about that.....They say,
"If a republican were to say that, he would be in no end of trouble, but
when a democrat says it, it goes unnoticed." But, in general, the same could
be said of both, but, with news services, we are outnumbered three to one,
so naturally, the liberals get three times the coverage. This also accounts
for the popularity of FOX news.....If there were three major conservative
networks, then they would only be one third as popular as they are.

[Danny T]

On Sep 22, 7:02*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > As a conservative person, most of the liberal bias I see results from
> > "failure to report" rather than active misrepresentation.....The liberal
> > media, (it seems to me) just ignores stuff that makes their guys look bad.
> > The liberals would probably say the same thing about our FOX news service.
> > What this tells me is that its good to watch a bit of all the news services,
> > and not ignore any one.
>
> Bill - I agree with you totally which is why I try to watch a little
> FOX or listen to David Brooks, etc. *Having said that, when I watch
> FOX (Hannity & O'Reilly for example) it often seems blatantly biased.
> There's also some morning show with 3 people that is one of the most
> biased things I have ever seen. *Do you not see that?
>
> Also, some of the "stories" that the right seem so important, that the
> MSM ignores, often do not seem that important to me with I look into
> them.
>
> Mike C

MIke - You whine about not getting political on a music site and you
whine about every other thing. What are YOU doing? You're a
hypocritical piece of trash AND you happen to be a screaming liberal
which makes it that much worse.

[Mr Soul]

> MIke - You whine about not getting political on a music site and you
> whine about every other thing. What are YOU doing? You're a
> hypocritical piece of trash AND you happen to be a screaming liberal
> which makes it that much worse.- Hide quoted text -
Danny - I never said people shouldn't have Off-Topic conversations on
these forums, nor would have any right to control that. Yes - I could
have sent BG a private email but I choose to reach out to him on the
forum because he wrote what I thought was thoughtful post. I don't
see how saying that I watch alittle FOX news and I find it to be very
biased is all that political, but I suppose that this could be
construed as politics. And it doesn't matter that I am a liberal or a
conservative, so why bring that up?

My concern is not to make this forum or any other forum, turn into
alt.guitar.amps. There used to be very knowledgable people attend
that forum, but not they are all gone. I doubt that that would happen
here but it could.

Mike C

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham > wrote:

> I never saw
> any damage from lightening.

It cost Michael Jackson a whiteout.

--
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http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

[Danny T]

On Sep 23, 9:29*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Bill Graham > wrote:
> > I never saw
> > any damage from lightening.
>
> It cost Michael Jackson a whiteout.
>
> --
> shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

I think MJ's death was Farah's doing. She died the day before and God
said, Farah, you were such a good person I want to grant you one wish
- anything you like. Farah said, well, I just want all the children of
the earth to be safe.

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 17, 3:26 pm, Mark > wrote:
>> > >Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
>> > >ground?
>> > ABsolutely nothing.
>>
>> so when lightning hits an aircraft, everybody inside is killed?
>>
>> or do they drag a ground wire out behind the aircraft?
>>
>> and a shielded box on an automobile doesn't do anything?
>>
>> this is of course wrong... An enclosed shield works very well WITHOUT
>> a path to ground.
>>
>> Mark
>
> Mark, don't argue with Hank. He is the self appointed god of all
> knowledge. It's a shame really. He and his daughter are quite talented

Oh dear, dont tell me this total fraud and demented ****wit Danny T is
still trolling these waters?


Hey man, tell us again how you were MD for James Brown.....

No really, go ahead.........


ROFLOLOLMAFA!

[Danny T]

On Sep 26, 8:30*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." <The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 3:26 pm, Mark > wrote:
> >> > * *>Surrounding something with copper mesh does what, without a path to
> >> > * *>ground?
> >> > ABsolutely nothing.
>
> >> so when lightning hits an aircraft, everybody inside is killed?
>
> >> or do they drag a ground wire out behind the aircraft?
>
> >> and a shielded box on an automobile doesn't do anything?
>
> >> this is of course wrong... An enclosed shield works very well WITHOUT
> >> a path to ground.
>
> >> Mark
>
> > Mark, don't argue with Hank. He is the self appointed god of all
> > knowledge. It's a shame really. He and his daughter are quite talented
>
> Oh dear, dont tell me this total fraud and demented *****wit Danny T is
> still trolling these waters?
>
> Hey man, tell us again how you were MD for James Brown.....
>
> No really, go ahead.........
>
> ROFLOLOLMAFA!

[Mr Soul]

Danny - I did not make the post above and if you think I did, then you
really are an idiot.

[Danny T]

On Sep 27, 7:21*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> Danny - I did not make the post above and if you think I did, then you
> really are an idiot.

You have a bit of a track record so don't call me an idiot for
understanding your reputation.

I saw you got a few plonks from other groups too.

I am not trying to stir a fight but you have to admit you're the prime
suspect when this stuff comes up. If you don't like that rep, then
just don't post any straight attacks and your rep might go away.

[Mr Soul]

> You have a bit of a track record so don't call me an idiot for
> understanding your reputation.
You seem to have a reputation as well & given the the history, it
looks like you have other people who don't like you.

I have only ever posted on the Google groups as "Mr Soul" and I am not
going to post as someone else.

How about you? I got an email from someone a couple of weeks ago that
I thought might have been you.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Sep 27, 10:37*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > You have a bit of a track record so don't call me an idiot for
> > understanding your reputation.
>
> You seem to have a reputation as well & given the the history, it
> looks like you have other people who don't like you.
>
> I have only ever posted on the Google groups as "Mr Soul" and I am not
> going to post as someone else.
>
> How about you? *I got an email from someone a couple of weeks ago that
> I thought might have been you.
>
> Mike C

Mike, you know I don't play that game. Yes, there are at least 2
others that from time to time have tried to "get me" because of their
sickness. The one from Australia that is very outspoken, you quoted.
You should feel proud.

I thought you'd finally kept your word and stopped the nasty posting.
I hope I was right.

[Mr Soul]

> Mike, you know I don't play that game. Yes, there are at least 2
> others that from time to time have tried to "get me" because of their
> sickness. The one from Australia that is very outspoken, you quoted.
> You should feel proud.
>
> I thought you'd finally kept your word and stopped the nasty posting.
> I hope I was right.
Well - we made our "agreement" on 9/16 and I would describe it as
"shakey" as best. On 9/21, you posted this "Mike feels rejected so he
picks like a scorned school girl." which lead to me posting some of
the stuff that I found about you on the net (that I did not write).

Where I come from, you broke our "agreement" when you made the 9/21
post. But I can assure you that I am not "Famous 3-Chord Beer
Halll ...".

As for feeling proud, if you are referring to the guy who wrote the
song parody about you, you should be graeful - it's not everyone who
gets that sort of attention - LOL.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Sep 27, 11:07*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Mike, you know I don't play that game. Yes, there are at least 2
> > others that from time to time have tried to "get me" because of their
> > sickness. The one from Australia that is very outspoken, you quoted.
> > You should feel proud.
>
> > I thought you'd finally kept your word and stopped the nasty posting.
> > I hope I was right.
>
> Well - we made our "agreement" on 9/16 and I would describe it as
> "shakey" as best. *On 9/21, you posted this "Mike feels rejected so he
> picks like a scorned school girl." which lead to me posting some of
> the stuff that I found about you on the net (that I did not write).
>
> Where I come from, you broke our "agreement" when you made the 9/21
> post. *But I can assure you that I am not "Famous 3-Chord Beer
> Halll ...".
>
> As for feeling proud, if you are referring to the guy who wrote the
> song parody about you, you should be graeful - it's not everyone who
> gets that sort of attention - LOL.
>
> Mike C

To be honest, I'm not sure that is about me. There is a another man
with my name that lives in Carlsbad CA about 3 miles from where I use
to live who surfs, plays music locally there and sails. He has a
handful of enemies that he fights with that might have written that.
I'll take it though. I think its funny as hell to have people
bothering with me.

As for you - I'd just as soon forget about a fighting, like I said a
long time ago. You believe in politics that make me sick and I believe
in politics that makes you sick. Leave it at that and forget it.

[Mr Soul]

> As for you - I'd just as soon forget about a fighting, like I said a
> long time ago. You believe in politics that make me sick and I believe
> in politics that makes you sick. Leave it at that and forget it.- Hide quoted text -
Fine by me - I would rather stick to talking about music, recording &
performing. For example, I just put together a new Warmoth LP with my
own modified design. It's the best guitar I've ever owned. I posted
pic's on FB but you can't see those :-)

I am sorry for you because you must be sick a lot - the politics that
I believe in has basically been in effect since FDR and I got news for
you, it isn't going away anytime soon.

Mike C

[Danny T]

>
> I am sorry for you because you must be sick a lot - the politics that
> I believe in has basically been in effect since FDR and I got news for
> you, it isn't going away anytime soon.
>
> Mike C

there you go again - just sayin'

[Mr Soul]

> there you go again - just sayin'
Whoooah - Danny. I am simply responding to what you said. In case
you don't remember, it was:

"You believe in politics that make me sick and I believe in politics
that makes you sick. Leave it at that and forget it."

You gotta stop making statements like that if you want me to shut up.
But I really do feel sorry for you but you must feel sick a lot.

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
...

> To be honest, I'm not sure that is about me. There is a another man
> with my name that lives in Carlsbad CA about 3 miles from where I use
> to live who surfs, plays music locally there and sails. He has a
> handful of enemies that he fights with that might have written that.
> I'll take it though

Oh dear God, just *how* ****ing delusional and how deep in denial ARE YOU,
lil' Richie Rich? ?

You claim there's another fat rich kid who has the SAME NAME as you , who
also has delusions of grandeur and who ****es everyone off, and *that's* who
that song was written about?

ROFLOLOLOLMFAO! Man you are one sick little pup!

btw, to the OP...... TNX for posting that song, it is ****ING HILARIOUS!!!


btw, Danny, please tell again how you found being James Brown's MD? Was he
difficult to work for, or was he really a softy at heart?

http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Danny_Taddei

[Danny T]

On Sep 29, 8:35*pm, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." <The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > To be honest, I'm not sure that is about me. There is a another man
> > with my name that lives in Carlsbad CA about 3 miles from where I use
> > to live who surfs, plays music locally there and sails. He has a
> > handful of enemies that he fights with that might have written that.
> > I'll take it though
>
> Oh dear God, just *how* ****ing delusional and how deep in denial ARE YOU,
> lil' Richie Rich? ?
>
> You claim there's another fat rich kid who has the SAME NAME as you , who
> also has delusions of grandeur and who ****es everyone off, and *that's* who
> that song was written about?
>
> ROFLOLOLOLMFAO! Man you are one sick little pup!
>
> btw, to the OP...... TNX for posting that song, it is ****ING HILARIOUS!!!
>
> btw, Danny, please tell again how you found being James Brown's MD? Was he
> difficult to work for, or was he really a softy at heart?
>
> http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Danny_Taddei

[Danny T]

On Sep 29, 8:35*pm, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." <The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > To be honest, I'm not sure that is about me. There is a another man
> > with my name that lives in Carlsbad CA about 3 miles from where I use
> > to live who surfs, plays music locally there and sails. He has a
> > handful of enemies that he fights with that might have written that.
> > I'll take it though
>
> Oh dear God, just *how* ****ing delusional and how deep in denial ARE YOU,
> lil' Richie Rich? ?
>
> You claim there's another fat rich kid who has the SAME NAME as you , who
> also has delusions of grandeur and who ****es everyone off, and *that's* who
> that song was written about?
>
> ROFLOLOLOLMFAO! Man you are one sick little pup!
>
> btw, to the OP...... TNX for posting that song, it is ****ING HILARIOUS!!!
>
> btw, Danny, please tell again how you found being James Brown's MD? Was he
> difficult to work for, or was he really a softy at heart?
>
> http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Danny_Taddei

http://www.myspace.com/535122238

[Mr Soul]

> http://www.myspace.com/535122238- Hide quoted text -
It's pretty obvious that this myspace page is referencing you. It
appears as though another one of your so-called "friends" created this
for you as a spoof.

Man - you sure attract a lot of attention - DanneyTaddeiFanClub and
this myspace page. Someone(s) sure spends a lot of time.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Sep 30, 3:26*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> >http://www.myspace.com/535122238-Hide quoted text -
>
> It's pretty obvious that this myspace page is referencing you. *It
> appears as though another one of your so-called "friends" created this
> for you as a spoof.
>
> Man - you sure attract a lot of attention - DanneyTaddeiFanClub and
> this myspace page. *Someone(s) sure spends a lot of time.
>
> Mike C

Mike, you can post under many names but it is obvious. As for the
myspace site, there is another man with my name that lives in Carlsbad
CA, or he did several years ago for sure. I knew about him though
people that knew us both. If you can't understand that there are
hundreds of people with my name, then do a fricking search. You are
pathetic in every way. You are a full on troll and people don't like
you - or those that do don't know you. You are a freak, like a little
grade schooler that sits in the corner picking his nose and eating
crayons. You seem to get some kind of jolly by being net trash. You
are an insect. You are annoying and worthless. There are few people
who's death would make me laugh but you are one of them. And for what
it is worth, you are the only one that I know of that would spend so
much time on anything. You must have a seriously ugly wife.

[Mr Soul]

> Mike, you can post under many names but it is obvious. As for the
> myspace site, there is another man with my name that lives in Carlsbad
> CA, or he did several years ago for sure. I knew about him though
> people that knew us both. If you can't understand that there are
> hundreds of people with my name, then do a fricking search. You are
> pathetic in every way. You are a full on troll and people don't like
> you - or those that do don't know you. You are a freak, like a little
> grade schooler that sits in the corner picking his nose and eating
> crayons. You seem to get some kind of jolly by being net trash. You
> are an insect. You are annoying and worthless. There are few people
> who's death would make me laugh but you are one of them. And for what
> it is worth, you are the only one that I know of that would spend so
> much time on anything. You must have a seriously ugly wife.
And I have never posted under any name other than my own, so I did not
make the posts above. You can say I did all you want but it doesn't
make it true.

You are one of the most vicious, out-of-control people I have ever
met.

I seriously doubt if there is & never was no other Danny Taddei in
Carlsbad & you are indeed delusional if you think there was. If you
google yourself & carlsbad, you are the only person that shows up.

Someone created this myspace page to mock you - can't you see that?

You are a sad person. Bringing my wife in this - you're just sick.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Oct 1, 7:04*am, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Mike, you can post under many names but it is obvious. As for the
> > myspace site, there is another man with my name that lives in Carlsbad
> > CA, or he did several years ago for sure. I knew about him though
> > people that knew us both. If you can't understand that there are
> > hundreds of people with my name, then do a fricking search. You are
> > pathetic in every way. You are a full on troll and people don't like
> > you - or those that do don't know you. You are a freak, like a little
> > grade schooler that sits in the corner picking his nose and eating
> > crayons. You seem to get some kind of jolly by being net trash. You
> > are an insect. You are annoying and worthless. There are few people
> > who's death would make me laugh but you are one of them. And for what
> > it is worth, you are the only one that I know of that would spend so
> > much time on anything. You must have a seriously ugly wife.
>
> And I have never posted under any name other than my own, so I did not
> make the posts above. *You can say I did all you want but it doesn't
> make it true.
>
> You are one of the most vicious, out-of-control people I have ever
> met.
>
> I seriously doubt if there is & never was no other Danny Taddei in
> Carlsbad & you are indeed delusional if you think there was. *If you
> google yourself & carlsbad, you are the only person that shows up.
>
> Someone created this myspace page to mock you - can't you see that?
>
> You are a sad person. *Bringing my wife in this - you're just sick.
>
> Mike C

Are you really that stupid mikie? LIke people don't know you by now.
Like people can't see you've been attacking me for weeks just because
I booted you! I think they can clearly see why I booted you. What a
freak you are. You actually posted something that said I asked you to
be a friend and then booted you. SO WHAT - Anyone in their right mind
would have booted you. Look at yourself. I might have begged you to be
on my friend list and I still would have booted you. You're a total
freak.

Oh Yeah ..... and I have never lived in Carlsbad.

[Mr Soul]

> Oh Yeah ..... and I have never lived in Carlsbad.- Hide q
No - you lived in Oceanside which you claim was ~3 miles from the
"other" Danny T. Famous 3-chord Beer was right - you're delusional
Danny.

Before you accuse people of things, you should prove it first. I did
not make those posts above.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Oct 1, 3:11*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> > Oh Yeah ..... and I have never lived in Carlsbad.- Hide q
>
> No - you lived in Oceanside which you claim was ~3 miles from the
> "other" Danny T. *Famous 3-chord Beer was right - you're delusional
> Danny.
>
> Before you accuse people of things, you should prove it first. *I did
> not make those posts above.
>
> Mike C

Like I need to prove anything at all to the weenie licking liberal
freak. Get a life. Go away.

[Mr Soul]

> Like I need to prove anything at all to the weenie licking liberal
> freak. Get a life. Go away.
I've got a really good life - how about you?

[Ty Ford]

Guys, this is not your personal bitch space, it's a public forum.

If you want to verbally abuse each other that's fine, but take it off the
street into someplace private.

You are diluting the effectiveness of the newsgroup.

Thanks,

Ty Ford


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[Richard Webb[_3_]]

Ty Ford writes:
> Guys, this is not your personal bitch space, it's a public forum.

OF course but they've made it so. Already tried to point
this out to them.

> If you want to verbally abuse each other that's fine, but take it
> off the street into someplace private.

THat would be the most reasonable, but they're incapable of
grasping this obviously. HEnce I"ve plunked both of them.

> You are diluting the effectiveness of the newsgroup.

tHey don't care. RIch kid and basement hobbyist have no
interest in the effectiveness of this newsgroup.


Regards,
Richard
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[Nil]

On 03 Oct 2010,
(Richard Webb) wrote in rec.audio.pro:

> THat would be the most reasonable, but they're incapable of
> grasping this obviously. HEnce I"ve plunked both of them.

So have I. But since it's been brought up... which is the bigger
attention-seeking psycho crybaby liar? They both seem to be equally
matched in the nutso department.

Just curious.

[Mr Soul]

Guys - I fully understand what you are saying and I apologize.

I had stopped posting to this thread until Danny accused me of being
"The Famous 3-chord Beer blah, blah...". I know I should just have
ignored him but I am not that person, nor would I post understand
someone other alias. So that really got me upset because I don't like
being called a liar on a public forum.

I am more than just a basement-hobbyist although I don't make much
money off my recordings. I regularly play music and I am truly
interested in audio.

I will attempt to refrain from posting to this thread even if Danny
accuses me of being this other guy again.

Mike C

[[email protected]]

On 2010-10-03 said:
>> THat would be the most reasonable, but they're incapable of
>> grasping this obviously. HEnce I"ve plunked both of them.
>So have I. But since it's been brought up... which is the bigger
>attention-seeking psycho crybaby liar? They both seem to be equally
>matched in the nutso department.
>Just curious.

I'd have to say it's a tossup. At one time I probably would
have said DT but now ...

Regards,



Richard webb,

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[Ralph Barone]

In article >,
Nil > wrote:

> On 03 Oct 2010,
> (Richard Webb) wrote in rec.audio.pro:
>
> > THat would be the most reasonable, but they're incapable of
> > grasping this obviously. HEnce I"ve plunked both of them.
>
> So have I. But since it's been brought up... which is the bigger
> attention-seeking psycho crybaby liar? They both seem to be equally
> matched in the nutso department.
>
> Just curious.

No, no, no. Now I'll have to killfile you too...

[Danny T]

On Oct 3, 6:45*pm, Mr Soul > wrote:
> Guys - I fully understand what you are saying and I apologize.
>
> I had stopped posting to this thread until Danny accused me of being
> "The Famous 3-chord Beer blah, blah...". *I know I should just have
> ignored him but I am not that person, nor would I post understand
> someone other alias. *So that really got me upset because I don't like
> being called a liar on a public forum.
>
> I am more than just a basement-hobbyist although I don't make much
> money off my recordings. *I regularly play music and I am truly
> interested in audio.
>
> I will attempt to refrain from posting to this thread even if Danny
> accuses me of being this other guy again.
>
> Mike C

the record stands above. You just don't shut up.

[Danny T]

On Oct 3, 11:24*pm, Ralph Barone > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *Nil > wrote:
> > On 03 Oct 2010,
> > (Richard Webb) wrote in rec.audio.pro:
>
> > > THat would be the most reasonable, but they're incapable of
> > > grasping this obviously. *HEnce I"ve plunked both of them.
>
> > So have I. But since it's been brought up... which is the bigger
> > attention-seeking psycho crybaby liar? They both seem to be equally
> > matched in the nutso department.
>
> > Just curious.
>
> No, no, no. *Now I'll have to killfile you too...

Do me a favore and kill file me too. Anyone that can read this and get
anything other then mike being a freak is to stupid for me to bother
with.

[Nil]

On 04 Oct 2010, Ralph Barone > wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> No, no, no. Now I'll have to killfile you too...

Do what you must. One must maintain one's integrity.

Of course, I'll have to killfile you now, too. But since you don't
contribute anything here, my revenge will be bittersweet.

[Mr Soul]

> the record stands above. You just don't shut up.- Hide quoted text -
The records show I had stopped posting to this thead on 9/23, until
you accused me of being this other guy when I posted on 9/27 refuting
your claim. After that we both start posting again.
-

[Mr Soul]

> I'd have to say it's a tossup. *At one time I probably would
> have said DT but now ...
Richard - what would you do if someone here accused you of posting
under another name? Would you just ignore it or would you speak up?
I am not this "Famous 3-chord blah, blah" and I just wanted everyone
here to know that.

Mike

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:20:59 -0400, Danny T wrote
(in article
>):

> the record stands above. You just don't shut up.

STOP IT.

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