DAVID BUTLER/ DB ENGINEERING

[TM]

DO NOT EVER DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN OR HIS COMPANY. HE IS AN
OUTRIGHT DISASTER OF A BUSINESSMAN. HE CANNOT PAY HIS DEBTS OR ANY OF
HIS BILLS AND YOU SHOULD STEER CLEAR OF HIM AT ALL COSTS.

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

TM > wrote:

> DO NOT EVER DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN OR HIS COMPANY. HE IS AN
> OUTRIGHT DISASTER OF A BUSINESSMAN. HE CANNOT PAY HIS DEBTS OR ANY OF
> HIS BILLS AND YOU SHOULD STEER CLEAR OF HIM AT ALL COSTS.


I'm sorry, but this is the wrong forum for your notice. This is a
newsgroup. NEWS GROUP. News. New. That means it's for things we
didn't already know. I think your announcement is already in the FAQ.


ulysses

[Garthrr]

In article >, Justin Ulysses Morse
> writes:

>TM > wrote:
>
>> DO NOT EVER DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN OR HIS COMPANY. HE IS AN
>> OUTRIGHT DISASTER OF A BUSINESSMAN. HE CANNOT PAY HIS DEBTS OR ANY OF
>> HIS BILLS AND YOU SHOULD STEER CLEAR OF HIM AT ALL COSTS.
>
>
>I'm sorry, but this is the wrong forum for your notice. This is a
>newsgroup. NEWS GROUP. News. New. That means it's for things we
>didn't already know. I think your announcement is already in the FAQ.

Its conceivable that someone hasnt heard about DB. No, wait, actually you're
right.

Garth~



"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[xy]

is this the same guy as db analog converters?

if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
such a bad business rep.

[Dave Martin]

No, it's a different guy. Do a Google groups search for David Butler and you
may find some of the story...

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

"xy" > wrote in message
om...
> is this the same guy as db analog converters?
>
> if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> such a bad business rep.

[Jay - atldigi]

In article >,
(xy) wrote:

> is this the same guy as db analog converters?
>
> if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> such a bad business rep

Not the same company. Also, dB technologies, the converter company, is
now renamed Lavry electronics.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

[LeBaron & Alrich]

xy wrote:

<snip>

> if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> such a bad business rep.

Please just do a Google on David Butler and go from there. Don't jump to
speculation based on an email handle. And noe, he has nothing to do with
the convertor company.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

[Fletcher]

Jay - atldigi wrote:

> In article >,
> (xy) wrote:
>
> > is this the same guy as db analog converters?
> >
> > if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> > such a bad business rep
>
> Not the same company. Also, dB technologies, the converter company, is
> now renamed Lavry electronics.

db Technologies [the converter company] has become Lavry Engineering, not
Lavry Electronics... please make a note of it.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Jay - atldigi]

In article >,
wrote:

> Jay - atldigi wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (xy) wrote:
> >
> > > is this the same guy as db analog converters?
> > >
> > > if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> > > such a bad business rep
> >
> > Not the same company. Also, dB technologies, the converter company, is
> > now renamed Lavry electronics.
>
> db Technologies [the converter company] has become Lavry Engineering, not
> Lavry Electronics... please make a note of it.
> --
> Fletcher


Yeah, that too...

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

[Bryson]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> xy > wrote:
>
>>is this the same guy as db analog converters?
>
>
> No. Totally different operation.
>
>
>>if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
>>such a bad business rep.
>
>
> Db is a very good engineer who made some great records, but a very bad
> businessman. He really knows the equipment, but he doesn't seem to know
> how to sell it and keep customers happy.

He doesn't seem to juggle very well.


> --scott

[Bill Thompson]

Bryson wrote:
> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> xy > wrote:
>>
>>> is this the same guy as db analog converters?
>>
>> No. Totally different operation.
>>
>>> if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
>>> such a bad business rep.
>>
>> Db is a very good engineer who made some great records, but a very bad
>> businessman. He really knows the equipment, but he doesn't seem to know
>> how to sell it and keep customers happy.
>
> He doesn't seem to juggle very well.

DB is what he is. No question he knows a lot about recording, and by
extension he probably knows a lot about the gear. Sometimes I find his
posts about certain pieces amusing, since they contradict the generally
accepted wisdom... or my own experience. Similarly, there is no doubt
that he still has a ways to go in the area of doing business on-line.

The thing that interests me is when he ticks someone off, he does it in
a big way. I had my negative experienc with him several years ago now,
and you know, the bad taste lasted a LONG time. He's probably still the
last guy I'd do business with, but he isn't the only one on that end of
the list<G>!

BUT, there are people who have ahd great experiences doing business with
him, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it loyalty, but they
have no complaints.

Sometimes it almost seems like there are 2 of him<G>!

One thing to consider... people do change, and so do businesses. I had a
really bad experience with Swee****er many years ago. Stopped doing
business with them, and even went so far as to blast them from time to
time. Well, this past spring I was in one of my blasting moods, and out
of the blue I get an email from Chuck himself. One of his guys had
forwarded my post, he had looked up the incident, and he had decided
that perhaps they really did make a mistake. He made good on it all
these years later.

I still choose to deal with my local shop, that's just a personality
quirk I suppose, but if Swee****er had something the local guys didn't
carry I'd do business with them again. And as the internet companies
continue to put pressure on local shops I suspect that will become more
common... so it's nice to know that there are couple of them out there
that I can trust.

Bill

[Analogeezer]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> xy > wrote:
> >is this the same guy as db analog converters?
>
> No. Totally different operation.
>
> >if so, i'd find it strange that one of the top converter companies has
> >such a bad business rep.
>
> Db is a very good engineer who made some great records, but a very bad
> businessman. He really knows the equipment, but he doesn't seem to know
> how to sell it and keep customers happy.
> --scott

I usually give the guy the benefit of the doubt but he must have
pulled more than one fast one in recent times....there is a lot of
chatter over on the recordingconsoles.net site about his business
"practices" as well.

Analogeezer

[Buster Mudd]

(Aaron Householter) wrote in message >...
> I must say, he's always been an interesting guy to chat with and he
> freely gives out information

Freely? Are you sure? Usually David turns the meter on after about 5 minutes.

[D. Butler]

What was we did that left you with a bad taste?

I honestly don't remember you or the problem.

If there is a way to clean that up, I am happy to do it.

David

PS: thanks for the nice comments amidst the rest!

In article >,
Bill Thompson > wrote:

> Bryson wrote:

snip

> DB is what he is. No question he knows a lot about recording, and by
> extension he probably knows a lot about the gear. Sometimes I find his
> posts about certain pieces amusing, since they contradict the generally
> accepted wisdom... or my own experience. Similarly, there is no doubt
> that he still has a ways to go in the area of doing business on-line.
>
> The thing that interests me is when he ticks someone off, he does it in
> a big way. I had my negative experienc with him several years ago now,
> and you know, the bad taste lasted a LONG time. He's probably still the
> last guy I'd do business with, but he isn't the only one on that end of
> the list<G>!
>
> BUT, there are people who have ahd great experiences doing business with
> him, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it loyalty, but they
> have no complaints.
>
> Sometimes it almost seems like there are 2 of him<G>!
>
> One thing to consider... people do change, and so do businesses. I had a
> really bad experience with Swee****er many years ago. Stopped doing
> business with them, and even went so far as to blast them from time to
> time. Well, this past spring I was in one of my blasting moods, and out
> of the blue I get an email from Chuck himself. One of his guys had
> forwarded my post, he had looked up the incident, and he had decided
> that perhaps they really did make a mistake. He made good on it all
> these years later.
>
> I still choose to deal with my local shop, that's just a personality
> quirk I suppose, but if Swee****er had something the local guys didn't
> carry I'd do business with them again. And as the internet companies
> continue to put pressure on local shops I suspect that will become more
> common... so it's nice to know that there are couple of them out there
> that I can trust.
>
> Bill
>

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[David 'db' Butler]

Just to get out in front of one (for a change):

Yep, I am embarassed to admit that I have had a problem resolving a deal with Mr.
Musto to both our satisfaction. I am continuing to try to work this out with him.

Even worse, he is actually an old acquaintance.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Not how I try to do biz, just a deal gone bad in an unfortunate way. And to be
COMPLETELY clear, Tom had nothing to do with the problem: all on my end. We had a
VERY large check TO us bounce at the same time as this deal. This has left me
scrambling to cover a few things until I catch up with the offender.

Tommy WILL get paid off, if at all possible soon. We have been speaking once a week
or more.

Sorry, dude, I know this sucks. My bad from A-Z.

David

In article >,
(TM) wrote:

> DO NOT EVER DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN OR HIS COMPANY. HE IS AN
> OUTRIGHT DISASTER OF A BUSINESSMAN. HE CANNOT PAY HIS DEBTS OR ANY OF
> HIS BILLS AND YOU SHOULD STEER CLEAR OF HIM AT ALL COSTS.

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[Rick Knepper]

"Altasrecrd" > wrote in message
...
> > David 'db' Butler
>
> >We had a
> >VERY large check TO us bounce at the same time as this deal.
>
> You're too old to be blaming things on someone else's check. And too
> intelligent to be in such a position.
>
> What's wrong with this picture?


Well for starters, the whole mess being aired out in public while the thing
is still in the process of being resolved.

--
Rick Knepper
MicroComputer Support Services
Knepper Audio
Ft. Worth, TX
817-239-9632
413-215-1267 Fax
PC Tech Support & Equipment Sales
CDR Duplication & Audio Mastering
Recording
http://www.rknepper.com

[Steve Holt]

"Buster Mudd" > wrote in message
om...
> (Aaron Householter) wrote in message
>...
> > I must say, he's always been an interesting guy to chat with and he
> > freely gives out information
>
> Freely? Are you sure? Usually David turns the meter on after about 5
minutes.

He never turned on the meter with me. I never transacted with him. I may not
have agreed with his ideas, but they were free. He's a gear saleman, and
that's one of the ways that gear salemen sell gear. If he makes a sale, the
free talk paid off for him. If not, it's free talk.


Steve Holt
INNER MUSIC
Music Creation & Production
http://www.inner-music.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/steveholt

[David 'db' Butler]

Thank you!

In article >,
(Paul) wrote:

snip

> Dave was trying to say he took full responsibility. You as do a lot of
> others in this group want to constantly berate the guy. If the guy
> says my bad A-Z and you pounce on him saying he's too old to blame
> things on others, you might want to ask yourself whats wrong with you,
> not him.
>
>
> Paul

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[Buster Mudd]

David 'db' Butler > wrote in message >...

> Umm, you OBVIOUSLY have never spoken to me inperson or on the phone.


David, you've already admitted several times in the past that you have
no recollection of the numerous times you & I have not only spoken in
person, but actually worked together. Give it up.

[David 'db' Butler]

Your comment is still completely untrue, as already documented by several posters
WAY more credible than you. I have never turned the meter on after 5 minutes with
YOU or anyone, so you are simply making this up.

since you post anonymously, who cares?

Obviously you must have something to hide !

;-)

db

If you ARE for real, EMAIL me, since the NG repeatedly asks folks not to get into
****ing matches on here. I won't waste my breath on you HERE, that is for sure!


In article >,
(Buster Mudd) wrote:

> David 'db' Butler > wrote in message
> >...
>
> > Umm, you OBVIOUSLY have never spoken to me inperson or on the phone.
>
>
> David, you've already admitted several times in the past that you have
> no recollection of the numerous times you & I have not only spoken in
> person, but actually worked together. Give it up.

--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass
Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Paul > wrote:

> Dave was trying to say he took full responsibility.

Yes, but he was unable to say that, try as me might have wanted to.

So he blamed it on somebody else by saying their check bounced.

--
ha

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Paul > wrote:

> Dave was trying to say he took full responsibility.

Yes, but he was unable to say that, try as me might have wanted to.

So he blamed it on somebody else by saying their check bounced.

--
ha

[Paul]

(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
> Paul > wrote:
>
> > Dave was trying to say he took full responsibility.
>
> Yes, but he was unable to say that, try as me might have wanted to.
>
> So he blamed it on somebody else by saying their check bounced.

uhh.. Ok here's a scenario. I'm walking down the street and bump into
a guy. My fault. Someone asks me what happened. I say I bumped into
this guy.. there was a baby crying in a stroller so I looked down to
see the child. Then boom, I hit.

Am I blaming the child?

Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.

Paul

[Paul]

(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message >...
> Paul > wrote:
>
> > Dave was trying to say he took full responsibility.
>
> Yes, but he was unable to say that, try as me might have wanted to.
>
> So he blamed it on somebody else by saying their check bounced.

uhh.. Ok here's a scenario. I'm walking down the street and bump into
a guy. My fault. Someone asks me what happened. I say I bumped into
this guy.. there was a baby crying in a stroller so I looked down to
see the child. Then boom, I hit.

Am I blaming the child?

Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.

Paul

[EganMedia]

>Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.

No one's whining. They're just calling 'em like they see 'em.





Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

[EganMedia]

>Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.

No one's whining. They're just calling 'em like they see 'em.





Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

[Steve Sadler]

Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
BAE, Inc.

[Steve Sadler]

Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
BAE, Inc.

[Steve Sadler]

Uhh....ok here's a scenario: My client (could be John Noll in
Chicago) calls me and says he bought a microphone he never received.
Then, my client (could be Tom Hanna @ Primetime Recording in Akron)
calls me and says he arranged the purchase of a tape machine for his
Church. Both paid in advance of delivery, neither recieved their
items, neither were able to get a return phone call, both are ****ed,
and for my piece of mind, I'd like someone (Mr. Butler) to explain
why. SSadler @ BAE, Inc.

[Steve Sadler]

Uhh....ok here's a scenario: My client (could be John Noll in
Chicago) calls me and says he bought a microphone he never received.
Then, my client (could be Tom Hanna @ Primetime Recording in Akron)
calls me and says he arranged the purchase of a tape machine for his
Church. Both paid in advance of delivery, neither recieved their
items, neither were able to get a return phone call, both are ****ed,
and for my piece of mind, I'd like someone (Mr. Butler) to explain
why. SSadler @ BAE, Inc.

[SSadler]

(SSadler) wrote:

> Steve Sadler wrote:
>
> > Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
> > Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
> > BAE, Inc.
> >
> Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
>
>
> If you don't like the section of my head that's semi-worried about this, how about just easing (peace) my mind. SS
>
>
> ----------
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>
>




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[SSadler]

(SSadler) wrote:

> Steve Sadler wrote:
>
> > Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
> > Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
> > BAE, Inc.
> >
> Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
>
>
> If you don't like the section of my head that's semi-worried about this, how about just easing (peace) my mind. SS
>
>
> ----------
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>
>




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[Anon]

In article >,
(EganMedia) wrote:

> > Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.
>
> No one's whining. They're just calling 'em like they see 'em.
>

I'm surprised this thread is still growing. I'm not here to defend DB. I
don't know anything about any of these specific instances and frankly
haven't read the whole thread, but any time his name is mentioned it
seems to create a swarm. It's a little more zealous than necessary to
make the point. Anybody reading the thread who hasn't figured out that
there are some unhappy people out there must be blind. It seems like
time for the newsgroup to move on and the individual personal matters
taken to email (or lawyers if you feel it's to that point). Next time it
comes up, by all means call it like you see it, but I'm not sure how
we'll benefit from another 35 posts on the subject.

[Anon]

In article >,
(EganMedia) wrote:

> > Honestly I am sick of listening to you regulars whine about Dave.
>
> No one's whining. They're just calling 'em like they see 'em.
>

I'm surprised this thread is still growing. I'm not here to defend DB. I
don't know anything about any of these specific instances and frankly
haven't read the whole thread, but any time his name is mentioned it
seems to create a swarm. It's a little more zealous than necessary to
make the point. Anybody reading the thread who hasn't figured out that
there are some unhappy people out there must be blind. It seems like
time for the newsgroup to move on and the individual personal matters
taken to email (or lawyers if you feel it's to that point). Next time it
comes up, by all means call it like you see it, but I'm not sure how
we'll benefit from another 35 posts on the subject.

[John Noll]

SSadler wrote:
> Steve Sadler wrote:
>
>
>>Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
>>Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
>>BAE, Inc.
>>
>
> Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
>


Must be an imposter.I haven't been to Chicago since 1982.
I didn't buy a mic from Butler either.

--
--
John Noll
Retromedia Sound Studios
Red Bank, NJ 07701

Phone: 732-842-3853 Fax: 732-842-5631

http://www.retromedia.net

[John Noll]

SSadler wrote:
> Steve Sadler wrote:
>
>
>>Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
>>Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
>>BAE, Inc.
>>
>
> Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
>


Must be an imposter.I haven't been to Chicago since 1982.
I didn't buy a mic from Butler either.

--
--
John Noll
Retromedia Sound Studios
Red Bank, NJ 07701

Phone: 732-842-3853 Fax: 732-842-5631

http://www.retromedia.net

[SSadler]

John Noll wrote:

> SSadler wrote:
> > Steve Sadler wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
> >>Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
> >>BAE, Inc.
> >>
> >
> > Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
> >

Sorry John, John Noble is in Chicago waiting on a mic, ...I think. SS
>
>
> Must be an imposter.I haven't been to Chicago since 1982.
> I didn't buy a mic from Butler either.
>
>




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[SSadler]

John Noll wrote:

> SSadler wrote:
> > Steve Sadler wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dave, explain to me (for my own piece of mind) about John's mic in
> >>Chicago, and Tom Aldi's, Church's tape machine in Akron. SSadler @
> >>BAE, Inc.
> >>
> >
> > Sorry, that's John Noll in Chicago, and Tom Hanna in Akron. SS
> >

Sorry John, John Noble is in Chicago waiting on a mic, ...I think. SS
>
>
> Must be an imposter.I haven't been to Chicago since 1982.
> I didn't buy a mic from Butler either.
>
>




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[LLLindblad]

Boy, that's a relief to me.....my dad, Don Noll, still lives close to chicago,
for a minute there, I thought maybe we'd lost a relative along the
way........<g> of course, all the rest of the Nolls' live down here in
florida thereabouts.....

laters
tuna

[LLLindblad]

sorry SS, but you are piquing my memory glans.....probably no
relation(certainly not to me), but an early childhood best bud of mine used to
live in mundelien, north of chicago, named Gary Noble, whose cousin was <ann
margret>noble.....she was a fantasy even way back when.......

laters
tuna