MXL603s mics

[Geoff Wood]

Just picked up a used pair to try out.

Wondered what parts are of shinese origin - the body + capsule probably, but
the PCB ???

geoff

[John Cafarella]

"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
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> Just picked up a used pair to try out.
>
> Wondered what parts are of shinese origin - the body + capsule probably,
but
> the PCB ???
>
> geoff

Dunno about the chinese bits. One of mine was noisy but defluxing the PCB
fixed it quite nicely. What do you think of them compared to your MC012's
?
--
John Cafarella
EOR Studio
Melbourne Australia
[ cafarellaj at powertel dot com dot au ]

[John Cafarella]

"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
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> Haven't fired them up in anger yet. Initially impression (on a heaphone
> stuck into a preamp line out !) was a bit 'hollow' in comparison to other
> mics in the same mis-use situation. Relatively low proximity effect.
> geoff

That's kinda my impression too if we're interpreting "hollow" to mean the
same thing.

They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful sometimes.
A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
really is. I actually find they complement the MC012's quite nicely., when
one isn't doing it for me the other will suit better.
--
John Cafarella
EOR Studio
Melbourne Australia
[ cafarellaj at powertel dot com dot au ]

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"John Cafarella" > wrote in message
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>
> "Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
> ...
> They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful
sometimes.
> A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
> really is.

I've found in recording that accuracy is not always a good thing.

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, "John Cafarella"
> wrote:
>
>"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
...
>> Haven't fired them up in anger yet. Initially impression (on a heaphone
>> stuck into a preamp line out !) was a bit 'hollow' in comparison to other
>> mics in the same mis-use situation. Relatively low proximity effect.
>> geoff
>
>That's kinda my impression too if we're interpreting "hollow" to mean the
>same thing.
>
>They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful sometimes.
>A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
>really is. I actually find they complement the MC012's quite nicely., when
>one isn't doing it for me the other will suit better.
>--
>John Cafarella
>EOR Studio
>Melbourne Australia
>[ cafarellaj at powertel dot com dot au ]
>
>

How odd. I had an MC012 here a few weeks ago and it was noticeably scooped.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article <UQU9b.485503$uu5.83898@sccrnsc04>, "Ricky W. Hunt"
> wrote:
>"John Cafarella" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
>> ...
>> They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful
>sometimes.
>> A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
>> really is.
>
>I've found in recording that accuracy is not always a good thing.


Especially when you put the accurate mic in the wrong place or plug it into
a non-harmoniouos preamp. Other than in those situations, accuracy can be
quite delightful.


Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Roger W. Norman]

I have no problems with the 603s, mostly used in that dreaded 90 degree
coincident configuration that James doesn't like, and on piano to add insult
to injury. But they work well no a Steinway B series piano (and I've done a
bunch of them). Also useful for drum overheads, but I have others I use for
that chore.

I did find that I like a 603 and the MXL 990 on an acoustic guitar, in
positions that might be a surprise to some because I use the 603 at the
bridge position and the 990 at the 12th fret. Worked on both a Takemine and
a Martin 0028. Sucks on an Ovation, but I won't hold that against the mics!
<g>

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"John Cafarella" > wrote in message
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>
> "Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
> ...
> > Haven't fired them up in anger yet. Initially impression (on a heaphone
> > stuck into a preamp line out !) was a bit 'hollow' in comparison to
other
> > mics in the same mis-use situation. Relatively low proximity effect.
> > geoff
>
> That's kinda my impression too if we're interpreting "hollow" to mean the
> same thing.
>
> They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful
sometimes.
> A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
> really is. I actually find they complement the MC012's quite nicely.,
when
> one isn't doing it for me the other will suit better.
> --
> John Cafarella
> EOR Studio
> Melbourne Australia
> [ cafarellaj at powertel dot com dot au ]
>
>

[Regis]

"John Cafarella" > wrote in message >...
> "Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
> ...
> > Just picked up a used pair to try out.
> >
> > Wondered what parts are of shinese origin - the body + capsule probably,
> but
> > the PCB ???
> >
> > geoff
>
> Dunno about the chinese bits. One of mine was noisy but defluxing the PCB
> fixed it quite nicely. What do you think of them compared to your MC012's
> ?

I have a pair of these mikes, could you detail the defluxing process, please?

thanks

Regis

[John Cafarella]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
...
> >They seem to be a little scooped in the mids, which can be useful
sometimes.
> >A curious thing is that they can make a cheap guitar sound better than it
> >really is. I actually find they complement the MC012's quite nicely.,
when
> >one isn't doing it for me the other will suit better.
> >--
> >John Cafarella

> How odd. I had an MC012 here a few weeks ago and it was noticeably
scooped.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford

Not that odd really. It's just a question of degrees and where your
personal reference point is. For me, who has no Josephsons, no Scheops, no
Neumann SD's, the MC012's are arguably my best small diaphragm condensors.
The MXL 603 in comparison has got some obvious scoopin' going on. I don't
think I actually said that the MC012 wasn't scooped anyway, just that they
complemented each other.

Example of complementary:
For a competent fingerpicking guitarist, I'd put up the MC012 first because
it'd do a better job of grabbing the details of finger on string.
For a hard-strummed acoustic rock guitar part that will be compressed and
sitting kinda in behind most of the mix and just poking it's head out
ocasionally, I've liked the 603 better.

--
John Cafarella (who drives a VW studio, not a Mercedes!)
EOR Studio
Melbourne Australia
[ cafarellaj at powertel dot com dot au ]

[Geoff Wood]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
>
> Especially when you put the accurate mic in the wrong place or plug it
into
> a non-harmoniouos preamp. Other than in those situations, accuracy can be
> quite delightful.


Oh Ty, you're such a stickler for accuracy ! Spank me !

;-)

geoff

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, "Geoff Wood"
-nospam> wrote:
>
>"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
>>
>> Especially when you put the accurate mic in the wrong place or plug it
>into
>> a non-harmoniouos preamp. Other than in those situations, accuracy can be
>> quite delightful.
>
>
>Oh Ty, you're such a stickler for accuracy ! Spank me !
>
>;-)
>
>geoff


Dear Geoff,

Bare 'em and bend over! (This will be a public affair!)

:)

Regards,

Ty Ford


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[Tommy B]

What format video would you use for recording that, or is that a question
for another news group? ;-)
Tom
"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
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> In Article >, "Geoff Wood"
> -nospam> wrote:
> >
> >"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> Especially when you put the accurate mic in the wrong place or plug it
> >into
> >> a non-harmoniouos preamp. Other than in those situations, accuracy can
be
> >> quite delightful.
> >
> >
> >Oh Ty, you're such a stickler for accuracy ! Spank me !
> >
> >;-)
> >
> >geoff
>
>
> Dear Geoff,
>
> Bare 'em and bend over! (This will be a public affair!)
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
> For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
> click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford
>

[Geoff Wood]

"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Geoff Wood -nospam> wrote:
> > >Just picked up a used pair to try out.
> > >
> > >Wondered what parts are of shinese origin - the body + capsule
probably,
> but
> > >the PCB ???
> >
> > All of it. The PCB, all the parts on it.
> > --scott
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
> So, is in then in fact identical to, say, the SE-1, apart from teh the
> pattern port milling ? And all the others ?


OK - verdict.

Similar mid and treble to the MC-012a in close and out roomy - maybe a
little less detail, but not much. Less prox effect than the MC, and without
the 'warm' (some say woolly) touch to the low end.

BUT - listening to the room ambience creates an impression of a scooped-out
void which draws you to almost fall inward. Almost a phasy sensation. I
think I'll be using them relatively close applications (hi-hat, acoustic
instr, etc).

Still pretty good value considering the low cost. Yes, I'd rather have
Schoepeseses and DPAs and 84s, and 4041s.

geoff

[Philip Perkins]

No or little ugly hi-Hz spatter on close
hihats and cymbals? How about for shakers and other hand percussion?

thanks

Philip Perkins