Processing vocals order of effects

[Stephen Hobbs TPG]

Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?

[Tommi]

"Stephen Hobbs TPG" > wrote in message
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> Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?
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You wanna "burn" the reverb/delay to the track while recording?

Sometimes it's useful to put EQ before the compressor so that it attacks the
signal which is closer to what you want ie. if there's a lot of bass energy
in the track that you don't want, the compressor probably attacks when
there's a bass surge. If you then use a high-pass filter to remove the bass
end after the compressor, you notice that it's biting the signal in the
wrong time.

[Garthrr]

In article >, "Stephen Hobbs TPG"
> writes:

>Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?

Stephen, your question is vague and incomplete. Are you talking about for live
shows? If your talking about recording then my recommendation would be mic,
preamp, recorder. When you mix, then is the time to process _if necessary_ and
in that case the order of effects is dependant on what you're trying to do.
Since reverb and delay are usually applied in parallel with the dry signal via
the aux sends they are generally considered a different kind of processing than
compression, EQ, de-essing, pitch shift etc which are inserted into the main
signal path. Against my better judgement I will attempt a crude illustration.
Pardon me if this gets screwed up in the posting process.
Garth~

/--
---rev------\___processed signal
Mic-->---preamp---recorder--compressor--EQ------/----------------/


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Garthrr]

>Pardon me if this gets screwed up in the posting process.
>Garth~
>
> /--
>---rev------\___processed signal
>Mic-->---preamp---recorder--compressor--EQ------/----------------/
>

Sorry guys, my stupid drawing got totally distorted despite my best efforts.
Ignore the diagram as soon as you're finished laughing at it!

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[BEC]

I always track vocals with compression, most of the top vocal tracking guys I
know do. Avalon 737's are pretty standard with the compressor engaged, as are
LA2A's, 1176's, and even RNC's. Most modern vocals are compressed when tracked
and mixed, especially most of the hip-hop and R&B sessions I seem to work on.

JDN

Garthrr wrote:

> In article >, "Stephen Hobbs TPG"
> > writes:
>
> >Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?
>
> Stephen, your question is vague and incomplete. Are you talking about for live
> shows? If your talking about recording then my recommendation would be mic,
> preamp, recorder. When you mix, then is the time to process _if necessary_ and
> in that case the order of effects is dependant on what you're trying to do.
> Since reverb and delay are usually applied in parallel with the dry signal via
> the aux sends they are generally considered a different kind of processing than
> compression, EQ, de-essing, pitch shift etc which are inserted into the main
> signal path. Against my better judgement I will attempt a crude illustration.
> Pardon me if this gets screwed up in the posting process.
> Garth~
>
> /--
> ---rev------\___processed signal
> Mic-->---preamp---recorder--compressor--EQ------/----------------/
>
> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
> Ed Cherney

[Garthrr]

In article >, BEC > writes:

>I always track vocals with compression, most of the top vocal tracking guys I
>know do. Avalon 737's are pretty standard with the compressor engaged, as
>are
>LA2A's, 1176's, and even RNC's. Most modern vocals are compressed when
>tracked
>and mixed, especially most of the hip-hop and R&B sessions I seem to work on.

Maybe so but you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by waiting till
the tracks recorded before you compress. I used to routinely compress vocals to
tape and when I stopped I noticed an improvement in overall sound of the
tracks. Each to his own.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[john browning]

EQ,Compression,
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"Stephen Hobbs TPG" > wrote in message
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> Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?
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[Ricky W. Hunt]

"john browning" > wrote in message
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> EQ,Compression,
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It depends on what the sound needs. Sometimes I use EQ before, sometimes
after, sometimes both. Sometimes I roll off boomy frequencies that can
falsely trigger the compressor before it hits the compressor and then use an
EQ after to alter the high end.

[Wayne]

>>Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?
>>

I usually track mic, pre and recorder with no effects processing. Some vocals
require compression (Trakker) just to keep 'em between the min-max.

Mixing is usually through a compressor, EQ and other effects. I almost always
print the verbs, delays only to the final mix. I like the ability to make
those last minute changes and most of the time I can't tell what needs changing
until it all comes together.

You change EQ on a vocal and it always affects something else and how it sets
in the mix.

YMMV (I'm still learning)

Wayne

Sub mixes for BGV's drums, etc are great and I use 'em but I don't print until
final.

[WBRW]

"Stephen Hobbs TPG" > wrote in message >...
> Should a standard chain be Compression, EQ, Reverb/Delay?

Don't forget the Auto-Tune. LOTS of Auto-Tune. Just like Faith Hill.