Re: new neumann mic

[John L Rice]

The TLM127 :
http://www.neumann.com/infopool/mics/produkte.php?ProdID=tlm127

It's around $1800 street. If I had $1800 to spend on a mic right now I
think I would go with the Soundelux iFet7 instead, although I haven't heard
either one.

John L Rice


"xy" > wrote in message
om...
> i saw an ad for a new neumann mic. something like a tlm-187. seems
> like they are trying to position it in the market like a tlm-103 only
> with pad, rolloff and multipattern.
>
> that's what a U-87 is all about. so i'm not sure why they are doing
> this.
>
> any thoughts on this new entry from neumann?

[Per Karlsson]

"John L Rice" > wrote:
> http://www.neumann.com/infopool/mics/produkte.php?ProdID=tlm127

I just had a look at that. I can't say I like the new "improved"
diagrams very much; so if the TLM127 is an improvement in the same
spirit I might just pass.

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I've been looking for a mic with the response of the figure-8 curve for
>years,
>but omni looks useless.
>
>Jeff Jasper
>Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.
>
>

HUH?
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Jeff Jasper]

Rick wrote:

>>I've been looking for a mic with the response of the figure-8 curve for
>>years,
>>but omni looks useless.
>>
>>Jeff Jasper
>>Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.
>>
>>
>
>HUH?
>Richard H. Kuschel

Sorry, Rick, did you miss the original question?

Some guys were talking about the new Neumann TLM127, one of whom was
unimpressed with the freq. response plots. The cardioid was okay, with a very
smooth, slightly rising response; but the omni had a serious dip at 5kHz.
That's the last place I need a dip for what I do. The figure-8 freq. plot had
a smoothly rising low to low-mid, and a nice wide upper-mid presence peak from
about 3-8kHz (as I recall), and the highs still extended to about 15kHz before
rolling off. So this would be like a slightly hypier U47 with air. I could
use that!

I do voiceovers.

Next time I'll go ahead and copy the previous comment and link, sorry.

Jeff Jasper
Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.

[david]

In article >, Jeff Jasper
> wrote:

> Some guys were talking about the new Neumann TLM127, one of whom was
> unimpressed with the freq. response plots. The cardioid was okay, with a very
> smooth, slightly rising response; but the omni had a serious dip at 5kHz.
> That's the last place I need a dip for what I do. The figure-8 freq. plot had
> a smoothly rising low to low-mid, and a nice wide upper-mid presence peak from
> about 3-8kHz (as I recall), and the highs still extended to about 15kHz before
> rolling off. So this would be like a slightly hypier U47 with air. I could
> use that!




I've been buying mics for 23 years, and I've yet to buy a single one
because of its frequency response plot.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

[P Stamler]

>
>I've been buying mics for 23 years, and I've yet to buy a single one
>because of its frequency response plot.

Ditto, but there's a few I *haven't* bought because of it!

Peace,
Paul

[Jeff Jasper]

David Correia wrote:

>I've been buying mics for 23 years, and I've yet to buy a single one
>because of its frequency response plot.

You're a lucky guy; you live within driving distance of New York and Boston,
and there are probably good pro audio dealers even closer to you. I've been
buying mics for 23 years also, as a matter of fact, and only in the last few
years have I been able to buy a mic any way *other* than based on published
plots.

Not that I'm *recommending* that method at all, especially now knowing good
nationwide dealers such as Fletcher, who's serious about customer satisfaction.
But even so, I've avoided some obvious dogs based on the companies own plot,
such as the AKG C3000. I wish I'd been as lucky when it came to the 414 TL-II.

If it's from a *trustworthy* company, you can at least get a *basic* idea of
how a mic might sound from the published plot. Factors like transient
response, headshell effects, and off-axis sound must be heard to be evaluated
at all. But a freq. plot from Neumann, Sennheiser, or EV is a good *starting
point* for consideration.

Since I've moved back to the sticks to take care of my mom, the only way I can
audition a mic before purchase is with the help of a good dealer like Fletcher
-- unless another local studio happens to have an example of a mic I'm
interested in. Here in the swamp, that's unlikely. The alternative is to ride
350 miles to Dallas during a weekday.

So I can't say that I've never bought a mic based on it's frequency response
plot; I have. But these days I'm older, wiser, and better sourced.

Jeff Jasper
Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.

[david]

In article >, Jeff Jasper
> wrote:

> David Correia wrote:
>
> >I've been buying mics for 23 years, and I've yet to buy a single one
> >because of its frequency response plot.
>
> You're a lucky guy; you live within driving distance of New York and Boston,
> and there are probably good pro audio dealers even closer to you. I've been
> buying mics for 23 years also, as a matter of fact, and only in the last few
> years have I been able to buy a mic any way *other* than based on published
> plots.



For me it's what I hear about mics from folks I respect.

e.g. I used a Sennheiser 421, often with an Akg D12e, on kick drum for
almost 20 years. And a guy who's drum sound I respected said the older
version Beyer M88's worked even better than the 421's. For one thing
you didn't have to be so picky with placement - you gotta move 421's to
find a good spot. It's easy to nail with the Beyer (as long as the drum
itself is making a good noise acourse.) It's got a nice puffier sound
too and a better bottom than a 421 as well.

So I found an older one and sho' nuf he was right!

This same guy will rail about mics today saying designers today spend
too much time dicking with specs and not enough time using their ears.

I can't imagine driving to New York to visit a pro audio dealer. I
would drive to NYC to see the Sox play the Yanks in the playoffs 'tho.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com