Neumann TLM 102 clips

[Ty Ford]

Hey,

16-bit mono wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.

Nice cardioid condenser. Not at all peaked like the TLM 103. Smoother,
thicker. Curiously capable even in front of the sound hole.

http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web

16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.

Nice job, Berlin.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:37 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.

No broadband where you live, Ty?

d

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:37 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>Hey,
>
>16-bit mono wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>
>Nice cardioid condenser. Not at all peaked like the TLM 103. Smoother,
>thicker. Curiously capable even in front of the sound hole.
>
>http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web
>
>16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>
>Nice job, Berlin.
>

Know what? I don't think there was a good balance anywhere in the
close miked file, but three feet away it was really good lined up with
the sound hole.

On the close miked file did you use any low end roll-off? It was
really boomy an inch away, but not too bad at six inches.

d

[drichard]

I'm wondering the same thing. The bigger file took about 40 seconds
for me, at 700K per second.

On Nov 15, 10:02*am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:37 -0500, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
> >16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>
> No broadband where you live, Ty?
>
> d

[Tobiah]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:39:23 -0800, drichard wrote:

> I'm wondering the same thing. The bigger file took about 40 seconds for
> me, at 700K per second.

So getting coffee is an appropriate task to fill the time :)

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:15:56 -0500, Don Pearce wrote
(in article >):

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:37 -0500, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> 16-bit mono wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>>
>> Nice cardioid condenser. Not at all peaked like the TLM 103. Smoother,
>> thicker. Curiously capable even in front of the sound hole.
>>
>> http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web
>>
>> 16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>>
>> Nice job, Berlin.
>>
>
> Know what? I don't think there was a good balance anywhere in the
> close miked file, but three feet away it was really good lined up with
> the sound hole.
>
> On the close miked file did you use any low end roll-off? It was
> really boomy an inch away, but not too bad at six inches.
>
> d

I did that just for you, Don. :)

No EQ.

Regards,

Ty



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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:36:19 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:15:56 -0500, Don Pearce wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:37 -0500, Ty Ford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> 16-bit mono wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>>>
>>> Nice cardioid condenser. Not at all peaked like the TLM 103. Smoother,
>>> thicker. Curiously capable even in front of the sound hole.
>>>
>>> http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web
>>>
>>> 16-bit wav files. Use the grey arrow on the right. Go get coffee.
>>>
>>> Nice job, Berlin.
>>>
>>
>> Know what? I don't think there was a good balance anywhere in the
>> close miked file, but three feet away it was really good lined up with
>> the sound hole.
>>
>> On the close miked file did you use any low end roll-off? It was
>> really boomy an inch away, but not too bad at six inches.
>>
>> d
>
>I did that just for you, Don. :)
>
>No EQ.
>

Excellent. Three feet it is then. Great sound. Looking at the spec, I
see that it has a built in low end roll-off, which means that it is
intended to be used a little closer than the usual mic. In fact, going
through my cardioid calculations, three feet is probably just about
perfect for a flat overall response.

d

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Ty Ford wrote:

>>> http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web

Thank you Ty, very interesting!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:11:58 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
(in article >):

> Ty Ford wrote:
>
>>>> http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web
>
> Thank you Ty, very interesting!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Yah,

BTW The strings on the Martin were not totally dead, but I have a gig this
weekend and changed them yesterday afternoon. Same guitar with a "newstrings"
file name has been added at the above link.

Regards,

Ty Ford


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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:16:06 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:11:58 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> Ty Ford wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Neumann%20TLM%20102?view=web
>>
>> Thank you Ty, very interesting!
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
>Yah,
>
>BTW The strings on the Martin were not totally dead, but I have a gig this
>weekend and changed them yesterday afternoon. Same guitar with a "newstrings"
>file name has been added at the above link.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ty Ford
>

Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
somewhere.

d

[Arny Krueger]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message


> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time.
> It is coming through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be
> water in the wires somewhere.

It's not the fault of Ty's server, and of course you never said it was.

I just downloaded the 2 25 MB files concurrently with an average download
speed of a tiny bit under a megabyte per second.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Don Pearce wrote:

> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
> somewhere.

The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.

> d

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
(in article >):

> Don Pearce wrote:
>
>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>> somewhere.
>
> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>
>> d
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen

Thank you Peter and Arny,

Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)

Ty Ford



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[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>>> somewhere.
>>
>> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
>> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
>> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>>
>>> d
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
>Thank you Peter and Arny,
>
>Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)
>
Well, I went away (for my holiday) and when I came back the download
had actually quit with a timeout. Trying again.

d

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:31:38 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0500, Ty Ford >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>>(in article >):
>>
>>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>>>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
>>> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
>>> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>>>
>>>> d
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Peter Larsen
>>
>>Thank you Peter and Arny,
>>
>>Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)
>>
>Well, I went away (for my holiday) and when I came back the download
>had actually quit with a timeout. Trying again.
>
>d

Just did a tracert to see what was wrong. Is this a record?

C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner>tracert idisk.mac.com

Tracing route to idisk-gtm.mac.com.edgesuite.net [17.250.248.77]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 12 ms 16 ms 12 ms lo0-plusnet.pcl-ag02.plus.net
[195.166.128.39]
3 11 ms 12 ms 11 ms gi1-2-904.pcl-gw02.plus.net
[84.92.0.141]
4 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms te2-2.thn-gw2.plus.net [212.159.0.190]
5 12 ms 12 ms 11 ms vl23.pte-gw2.plus.net [212.159.4.28]
6 24 ms 22 ms 21 ms cr1-linx-peer.lon005.internap.net
[195.66.224.44
]
7 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms cr2-cr1.lon005.internap.net
[77.242.206.130]
8 96 ms 95 ms 96 ms
cr2.bsn006.inappnet.cr2.lon005.internap.net [66.79.158.5]
9 99 ms 98 ms 99 ms cr1-cr2.bsn006.internap.net
[66.79.147.13]
10 103 ms * 105 ms
cr2.nym009.inappnet.cr1.bsn006.internap.net [66.79.158.10]
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * 274 ms *
cr1.wdc005.inappnet.cr1.phi004.internap.net [66.79.147.18]
14 * 253 ms 252 ms cr2-cr1.wdc005.internap.net
[66.79.146.202]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 252 ms 251 ms *
cr2.lax009.inappnet.cr1.phx007.internap.net [66.
79.147.181]
22 * 252 ms 251 ms
cr2.sje007.inappnet.cr2.lax009.internap.net [66.
79.147.5]
23 252 ms * 251 ms
cr1-cr2.sje007.internap.net[66.79.146.189]
24 250 ms 252 ms 250 ms
core3.sje.inappnet-28.cr1.sje007.internap.net [66.79.148.130]
25 * 251 ms 251 ms border3.pc1-bbnet1.sje.pnap.net
[66.151.144.9]
26 * 256 ms * apple-17.sje.pnap.net [66.151.128.62]
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * 252 ms idisk.mac.com [17.250.248.77]

Never saw anything like it.

d

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0500, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>>> somewhere.
>>
>> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
>> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
>> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>>
>>> d
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Peter Larsen
>
>Thank you Peter and Arny,
>
>Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)
>
>Ty Ford
>
That was unworthy! ;-)

Ok, it's downloaded now. Verdict - the new strings sound good - what
tuning are you using there? Sounded like some kind of open E.

8 inches was far too close, as was 14, but less so. Much better near
the bridge, but a bit nasal.

3 foot out was again the one I go for. Very good balance and the whole
thing just sounded right.Straight on was better than on the neck,
which was all string and no body.

Voice sounded very natural throughout.

d

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Don Pearce wrote:

> Just did a tracert to see what was wrong. Is this a record?

Triple digit millisconds is bad, fits a busy caching proxy better than a
plain router.

> C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner>tracert idisk.mac.com

> Tracing route to idisk-gtm.mac.com.edgesuite.net [17.250.248.77]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:

> 1 * * * Request timed out.

What's wrong on your own network?

> Never saw anything like it.

Oh, I did a couple of times when a local isp had a broken router somewhere.
Usually requires insisting on seocnd level support just to be able to talk
to someone who knows what a router is.

> d

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:19:14 +0100, "Peter Larsen"
> wrote:

>> 1 * * * Request timed out.
>
>What's wrong on your own network?

That's just my DSL router. It isn't pingable. I don't object to that.

d

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:31:38 -0500, Don Pearce wrote
(in article >):

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0500, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>>>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
>>> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
>>> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>>>
>>>> d
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Peter Larsen
>>
>> Thank you Peter and Arny,
>>
>> Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)
>>
> Well, I went away (for my holiday) and when I came back the download
> had actually quit with a timeout. Trying again.
>
> d

Methinks you doth protest too much.

VO and e. guitar tracks for everyone but Don. Not tracks for you! Come back
ONE YEAR.

Ty Ford


--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
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[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:53:43 -0500, Don Pearce wrote
(in article >):

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0500, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:56 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never mind a coffee, I could go for a holiday this time. It is coming
>>>> through at 4kB/sec. I think there must be water in the wires
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> The internet routers have found a path via spacelab or mars explorer then.
>>> But try a tracert, perhaps your isp has a router with a lot of latency, it
>>> was as fast as should be with my connection here in Copenhagen.
>>>
>>>> d
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Peter Larsen
>>
>> Thank you Peter and Arny,
>>
>> Don just likes to try to bust my chops. :)
>>
>> Ty Ford
>>
> That was unworthy! ;-)
>
> Ok, it's downloaded now. Verdict - the new strings sound good - what
> tuning are you using there? Sounded like some kind of open E.

shortcut capo, 2nd fret

> 8 inches was far too close, as was 14, but less so. Much better near
> the bridge, but a bit nasal.
>
> 3 foot out was again the one I go for. Very good balance and the whole
> thing just sounded right.Straight on was better than on the neck,
> which was all string and no body.
>
> Voice sounded very natural throughout.
>
> d

Remembering that this is with no EQ. What you like depends a lot on the
arrangement. If it's a busy arrangement, yes, there's too much guitar in
there, but I do like the top end a lot. It sounds pretty much the way the
guitar sounds. Slightly thick, but I'd rather be slightly thick and have room
to pull. If it's a sparse arrangement then we're talking butter here.

Did I mention E.guitar and VO clips are up now?

Regards,

Ty

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[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Ty Ford wrote:

> Did I mention E.guitar and VO clips are up now?

And the topless centerfold. Nice, but I don't get it, I just don't, why no
felt on top of the lower body to prevent reflections? - could that be an
obvious mod for it?

> Ty

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Arkansan Raider]

Ty Ford wrote:

> VO and e. guitar tracks for everyone but Don. Not tracks for you! Come back
> ONE YEAR.
>
> Ty Ford
>

Nice .wav Nazi reference.

+1


---Jeff

[vdubreeze]

Ty,

Thanks for the upload. I have a 103 and it doesn't really find its
way into a lot of recordings, just not in my favor. But this is an
interesting comparison. If it holds up to the eq one desires it could
be very useful.

v

[vdubreeze]

BTW, as far as why the downloading is so wonky, that's .mac and iDisk,
absolutely, not anything else between Ty and us : )

[Mike Cleaver]

On Nov 18, 5:14*pm, vdubreeze > wrote:
> BTW, as far as why the downloading is so wonky, that's .mac and iDisk,
> absolutely, not anything else between Ty and us *: *)

So Ty, in your opinion, is this a better sounding mic than the TLM
103, the TLM 49 and the TLM 67?
I haven't liked any of those three mics when compared to the original
Neumanns which I own, including an original U87.
Do you find the TLM 102 good value for the money and useful as a voice
over microphone?
There are none in the stores here in Canada yet so I haven't had the
opportunity to bring one home and try it.
Hopefully, some will appear here soon.

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:33:30 -0500, Mike Cleaver wrote
(in article
>):

> On Nov 18, 5:14*pm, vdubreeze > wrote:
>> BTW, as far as why the downloading is so wonky, that's .mac and iDisk,
>> absolutely, not anything else between Ty and us *: *)
>
> So Ty, in your opinion, is this a better sounding mic than the TLM
> 103, the TLM 49 and the TLM 67?
> I haven't liked any of those three mics when compared to the original
> Neumanns which I own, including an original U87.
> Do you find the TLM 102 good value for the money and useful as a voice
> over microphone?
> There are none in the stores here in Canada yet so I haven't had the
> opportunity to bring one home and try it.
> Hopefully, some will appear here soon.

Better? What's "better" for what application? It doesn't sound like a TLM
103. It's smooth, SOMEWHAT like a TLM 67, which I also like a lot.

Can't remember what I thought of the TLM 49 at the moment.

I think it does a very good job, but you absolutely need to hear it through
several preamps for yourself.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
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