I want to get a mac, BUT...

[Paul Beauchamp]

I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?

Paul

[Charles Thomas]

In article >,
"Paul Beauchamp" > wrote:

> I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?

I want a pony and a Porsche.

CT

[Brothermark]

> I want a pony and a Porsche.

I sympathise, if others don't.
try kazaa

[Thomas Bishop]

"Brothermark" > wrote in message...
> > I want a pony and a Porsche.
>
> I sympathise, if others don't.
> try kazaa

I do too. I just bought Cool Edit Pro, but that's the top of my budget.
For those of us not making any money off our recordings, it's hard to
justify spending up to $1200 for decent software.

[Don Cooper]

Paul Beauchamp wrote:

> I dont want to have to pay for any software


Pro Tools Free is free.


Don

[Mark]

Cubase SX is like $200. LAME excuse.

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
...
> "Brothermark" > wrote in message...
> > > I want a pony and a Porsche.
> >
> > I sympathise, if others don't.
> > try kazaa
>
> I do too. I just bought Cool Edit Pro, but that's the top of my budget.
> For those of us not making any money off our recordings, it's hard to
> justify spending up to $1200 for decent software.
>
>

[Mark]

Sorry, I meant Cubase SL

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
...
> "Brothermark" > wrote in message...
> > > I want a pony and a Porsche.
> >
> > I sympathise, if others don't.
> > try kazaa
>
> I do too. I just bought Cool Edit Pro, but that's the top of my budget.
> For those of us not making any money off our recordings, it's hard to
> justify spending up to $1200 for decent software.
>
>

[Don Cooper]

Paul Beauchamp wrote:

> > Pro Tools Free is free.
>
> true, but ill probably get osx


You can still get a dual booting machine. (But not for free, though.)


Don

[Skittles]

"Paul Beauchamp" > wrote:

> I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?

So, you won't pay £200 for software, but £2,000 for a new computer isn't a
problem.

Prick.

Incidentally, ask whatever educational institution it is that you're
attending whether they offer remedial classes in the use of apostrophes.

[Andrew M.]

ya think?

Brothermark wrote:
>>Get off this news group! You are ridiculous to come in here and ask
>>people that make their living on this stuff to help you get "cracked"
>>software. JACKASS!
>
>
> that's a bit harsh.
>
>

[Thomas Bishop]

"Brothermark" > wrote in message
> > Get off this news group! You are ridiculous to come in here and ask
> > people that make their living on this stuff to help you get "cracked"
> > software. JACKASS!
>
> that's a bit harsh.


A better place to have posted this would have been alt.music.4-track. Those
folks are just like you and I, not making any money to justify the cost of
software. I download some software (so stone me), but as soon as I make any
money off it I buy the real thing and register it. I still haven't made any
money from recording, but I got my church to buy Cool Edit Pro (we're
multitracking our services next year) and liscensed it in my name. The .pro
in the name of this newsgroup means that it's a professional group, thus
giving professional advice to professional people with professional budgets.
I don't agree with a lot of the people here regarding cracked software, but
I have to get used to it because this is a professional group.

By the way, I wanted to get a Mac for a long time and use DP. Now I'm
perfectly happy with CEP and a PC and money in my pocket. Seriously
consider why you want to switch to Mac.

[Don Cooper]

Thomas Bishop wrote:

> The .pro
> in the name of this newsgroup means that it's a professional group


Or is that "production"?


Don

[Thomas Bishop]

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
> > The .pro
> > in the name of this newsgroup means that it's a professional group
>
> Or is that "production"?

No, it's not.

[Martin Quinn]

Very true dude. You could buy all the parts and build a **** hot new PC for
about ?1300 and still have $500 + dollars left over to buy SX or SL for the
price of the MAC. SX on Windows XP is rocksolid and probably what Steinberg
most concentrate on anyway. IMHO Macs NOW over little or no advantage over a
PC because of a good XP installation..

Martin

"Skittles" > wrote in message
...
> "Paul Beauchamp" > wrote:
>
> > I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> > gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford
that!
> > Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
>
> So, you won't pay £200 for software, but £2,000 for a new computer isn't a
> problem.
>
> Prick.
>
> Incidentally, ask whatever educational institution it is that you're
> attending whether they offer remedial classes in the use of apostrophes.
>
>

[Jeffrey S. Long]

"Andrew M." > wrote in message >...
> Get off this news group! You are ridiculous to come in here and ask
> people that make their living on this stuff to help you get "cracked"
> software. JACKASS!

I second that...especially the jackass part.

J

[Don Cooper]

Thomas Bishop wrote:

> > Or is that "production"?
>
> No, it's not.


"It's like deja vu all over again".

- Yogi Berra


Don

[Scott Dorsey]

Brothermark > wrote:
>
>> Get off this news group! You are ridiculous to come in here and ask
>> people that make their living on this stuff to help you get "cracked"
>> software. JACKASS!
>
>that's a bit harsh.

No, frankly I don't think it's harsh enough by half.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Josh Snider]

I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone use the words "windows" and "rock solid"
in the same sentence. But without getting into yet another OS war, I
digress...


I'm not sure it was too harsh at all... Asking for cracked software on a
newsgroups which I think is read from time to time by reps from the
companies you want cracked software from is a bit brash to say the least.
As well, those of us who have paid for our software and hardware do get a
little put off by people who want to bypass that all and get it for free.
I put a LOT of money into my gear... Why should someone else get it for
free??

As well I agree... You'll pay all the money for a computer, but another
couple hundred for a low end multi-tracking app is too much?


At best your message will start another OS/hardware flame war. I doubt if
anyone here will help you find illegal software.


in article , Martin Quinn at
wrote on 9/4/03 21.45:

> Very true dude. You could buy all the parts and build a **** hot new PC for
> about ?1300 and still have $500 + dollars left over to buy SX or SL for the
> price of the MAC. SX on Windows XP is rocksolid and probably what Steinberg
> most concentrate on anyway. IMHO Macs NOW over little or no advantage over a
> PC because of a good XP installation..
>
> Martin
>
> "Skittles" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Paul Beauchamp" > wrote:
>>
>>> I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
>>> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford
> that!
>>> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
>>
>> So, you won't pay £200 for software, but £2,000 for a new computer isn't a
>> problem.
>>
>> Prick.
>>
>> Incidentally, ask whatever educational institution it is that you're
>> attending whether they offer remedial classes in the use of apostrophes.
>>
>>
>
>

[Burt Jones]

Paul,

I understand that you are a student and don't have any money. However,
I would recommend buying even an older version of Cubase like VST32
before using a cracked version. Aside from any moral or ethical
reasons, I personally can attest that using cracks can cause problems.
Admittedly, I have been 'demoing' some cracks for a while and started
having all these terrible crashes. I changed my ram, hard drive, and
basically tried every trick in the book. Finally when I installed a
new drive and installed all of my legal software the problems went
away.

I have now repented and gotten on the straight and narrow path and now
I "JUST SAY NO TO CRACK."

Burt Jones
Mediastar Productions

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Thomas Bishop > wrote:

> "Brothermark" > wrote in message...

> > > I want a pony and a Porsche.

> > I sympathise, if others don't.
> > try kazaa

> I do too. I just bought Cool Edit Pro, but that's the top of my budget.
> For those of us not making any money off our recordings, it's hard to
> justify spending up to $1200 for decent software.

Yeah, well I'm not a professional race driver but I deserve the Porsche.
I don't know why, I just do. In my dreams I'm really fast, man.

You have a day job? Want to do it for nothing?

How much does ProTools Free cost? Think about it. Spark ME? Free, too?
Why don't you free loaders look around and smell the freebies? Is it
because you're overly burdened with artistic angst? Give it up.

--
ha

[Kevin Kelly]

<< but I got my church to buy Cool Edit Pro (we're
multitracking our services next year) and liscensed it in my name. >>


You can't scam the guy upstairs. He has access to all the warranty registration
cards.



Kevin M. Kelly
"There needs to be a 12-step program for us gearheads"

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Thomas Bishop > wrote:

> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
> > > The .pro
> > > in the name of this newsgroup means that it's a professional group
> >
> > Or is that "production"?
>
> No, it's not.

The charter, please...

--
ha

[Thomas Bishop]

"LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message ...
> Yeah, well I'm not a professional race driver but I deserve the Porsche.
> I don't know why, I just do. In my dreams I'm really fast, man.

And do you have a Porsche? I don't have Nuendo, but I think I deserve an
expensive program like that. In my dreams I'm actually making money with
recording, rather than spending it.

> You have a day job? Want to do it for nothing?

I'm not sure what this means.

> How much does ProTools Free cost? Think about it. Spark ME? Free, too?
> Why don't you free loaders look around and smell the freebies? Is it
> because you're overly burdened with artistic angst? Give it up.

No, it's because the freebies are nowhere near as good as the ones that you
pay for. I've downloaded both freeware and demos of many DAW programs and I
haven't liked the feel of any of them as much as I like Cool Edit Pro,
excuse me, Audition.

I don't expect anyone to agree with the original poster and me (and another
guy who posted today), and this isn't a new topic. Every time someone posts
a "Where can I find a crack to...." message everyone gets bent out of shape.
I understand the negative effects of software piracy, but don't be so
uptight about keeping everyone on Usenet in check.

[Thomas Bishop]

"Kevin Kelly" > wrote in message...
> << but I got my church to buy Cool Edit Pro (we're
> multitracking our services next year) and liscensed it in my name. >>
>
> You can't scam the guy upstairs. He has access to all the warranty
registration
> cards.

It's no scam. I cleared it with Him first.

[Sugarite]

> I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?

Having used Macs for 10 years I switched from Mac to PC because of a lack of
audio software support for Altivec and OS X. I'm getting 5x the performance
from a PC that cost 2/3 new of what my Mac sold for used. There's some
software that isn't available for PC that's somewhat heartbreaking, but XP
is proving reasonably stable and is much more widely implemented in audio
than OS X. All this is bound to change, but not before a new Mac
depreciates significantly.

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

Omitting the obvious reprimands, let me just point out that if you want
to get decent sound quality INTO your computer, you'll need some
hardware. A lot of that hardware comes bundled with software. PTLE
with the M-box, for example, is a pretty cheap way to jump in. A
couple bills more and you can get the 001 with more inputs. If you
don't feel your recordings warrant decent audio hardware, then they
probably won't mind running through PTFree instead of LE.

I used the Digi example because I know the names of their stuff.
Insert appropriate MOTU names in the same places and you get an equally
workable solution.

Buy used stuff on Ebay or from Music-Go-Wrong and you'll probably get
the hard and soft ware for a song.

That said, I am personally "evaluating a whole lot of Mac audio
software. The stuff I like will get bought. The stuff I don't won't.
I didn't download from any "warez dood" sites and am not going to for a
variety of reasons, but there's no reason you shouldn't be able to
"test drive" a friend's software library before deciding what you want
to buy. So the answer to your question is YES, it is easy. Once you
know what you want though, it's even easier to buy it. There's a hell
of a lot to be said for technical support and reliable, stable,
unhacked software. There's a whole lot more than a couple of hundred
dollars worth of headache relief value there, even if you're not making
money with it. The hours you save by not treading water in the crack
sea are hours you can spend sleeping, eating, voting, procreating, or
downloading pirated music and video. Unless you work at Burger King,
the time=money equation works out firmly on the side of the scruples.

ulysses



Paul Beauchamp > wrote:

> I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
>
> Paul
>
>

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Thomas Bishop > wrote:

> "LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message ...

> > Yeah, well I'm not a professional race driver but I deserve the Porsche.
> > I don't know why, I just do. In my dreams I'm really fast, man.

> And do you have a Porsche?

No, and I don't actually want one; it'd suck up here in the winter and
couldn't haul kit to gigs. Nowhere to put the McCollum.

> I don't have Nuendo, but I think I deserve an
> expensive program like that.

Is that precious or what?

> In my dreams I'm actually making money with
> recording, rather than spending it.

Lots of dreams differ from current reality.

> > You have a day job? Want to do it for nothing?

> I'm not sure what this means.

Hunh?

People working for a living write software. Should they do this for
nothing so you can dream? Maybe you could try eating dreams for a few
weeks and thereby become more "sure of what this means".

> > How much does ProTools Free cost? Think about it. Spark ME? Free, too?
> > Why don't you free loaders look around and smell the freebies? Is it
> > because you're overly burdened with artistic angst? Give it up.

> No, it's because the freebies are nowhere near as good as the ones that you
> pay for.

And dang it, ground round isn't as tasty as filet mignon, either, but
it's cheaper.

> I've downloaded both freeware and demos of many DAW programs and I
> haven't liked the feel of any of them as much as I like Cool Edit Pro,
> excuse me, Audition.

So you appreciate the work of the people writing the software, but you
just think your dreams are more important than their livlihood?

> I don't expect anyone to agree with the original poster and me (and another
> guy who posted today), and this isn't a new topic. Every time someone posts
> a "Where can I find a crack to...." message everyone gets bent out of shape.
> I understand the negative effects of software piracy, but don't be so
> uptight about keeping everyone on Usenet in check.

When people won't pay for what they use you can forget about making some
money in music, Thomas. There are places to talk about stealing
software. This ain't one of them. Some clues are big enough to see in
the dark.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

[Roger W. Norman]

Top posting got you to the point real quick, didn't it.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Brothermark" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Cubase SX is like $200. LAME excuse.
>
> But not everyone likes cubase..... or top-posting :)
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Nothing wrong with Cool Edit Pro, just like at one time there was nothing
wrong with buying a Stephens RTR, as long as you used it for the purpose it
was designed. CEP can do the job of recording and gives lots of people the
ability to do their thing at a reasonable price.

But the cost of software would never give me pause to think it's worth using
a crack. It's not a question of one or the other, it's a question of one or
none. If you can't buy the software you don't deserve to have it in your
possession.

So obviously, I don't sympathize. If a homeless person wants food, I'd much
rather give them some rather than they steal it from me. Unfortunately it
often comes down to someone seemingly thinking they DESERVE to have
something someone else has without doing the work for it.

I mean, after all, I look longingly at GML EQs, Great River and Avalon mic
pres, but if I can't purchase them, there's not one person here that would
approve of my stealing them, nor even sympathize with me were I to suggest
it be acceptable to do so.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
...
> "Brothermark" > wrote in message...
> > > I want a pony and a Porsche.
> >
> > I sympathise, if others don't.
> > try kazaa
>
> I do too. I just bought Cool Edit Pro, but that's the top of my budget.
> For those of us not making any money off our recordings, it's hard to
> justify spending up to $1200 for decent software.
>
>

[Ted Spencer]

<< I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
Paul >><BR><BR>

You know, it's much quicker and easier to to go to a music store, grab whatever
you want and just run out the door. It's stealing either way, so why not?
Besides, this way, after you get arrested you'll probably grasp the irony of
trying to "make money" on something you "stole" much more quickly.

Just trying to help...


Ted Spencer, NYC

"No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
"Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

[Roger W. Norman]

Actually, Thomas, it doesn't get bent out of shape. The concept is that we
all make our money by simple sweat equity and want to be paid for it, so
it's easy to see that a programmer or set of programmers should be paid for
their sweat equity. It's a concept that needs to have us continue to
villify the people that ultimately cost us all more money. In any other
industry you can't make an easy copy of something so you're choice is to
purchase or not. In this industry, the fact that a digital copy doesn't
cost anyone anything is a misperception because it really costs us all more
as the buying public. I know that part of Samplitude's current price is due
to licensing copy protection, and I understand Magix's concern over the
unregulated or unaccountable use of their sweat equity. But I don't want
the hassle of copy protection, and the only possible avenue to a less
cumbersome product with less encumbent development costs is to educate
people and discourage theft wherever we see it's possibility mentioned.
Hell, if one can't afford $200 for a multitrack digital recording
application, then there's always N-Tracks Studio for $69. And if they can't
afford that, then they most certainly are getting into the wrong ****ing
field.

It comes down to, "It is not ok to steal, even if you only have to make a
couple of mouse clicks".

There's an additional benefit of people here being owners of their software
and that's the fact that, for example, I wouldn't, for a second, take the
time to teach anyone how to use their software if I thought they'd stolen
it. But because, pretty much as a group, we don't hold with theft of
software, we, as a group, don't generally believe that anyone here is
actually using stolen software. Now that may well be a misinterpretation of
the status quo, and with lurkers you'll never know whom gets information
whether they bought their software or not. But the point is that I'm not
about to spend a lot of time on composing an encompassing reply to a query
if I think the person didn't even go to the lengths to purchase their
software and read the manual.

So, the upside is that if we, on this newsgroup, don't offer help to someone
that's using a crack, and absolutely villify them when they mention they do,
we will be serving the purpose of both working with reputable people on this
newsgroup, and serving notice that we, as a group, will be of no advantage
to anyone who wishes to steal their software. It simply must be made clear
that there is no benefit to one whom would steal. Benefit only comes from
the postive active participation of all. As long as one person suffers from
another's actions, it's really just not worth it. When you talk as if we
want to be keeping everyone on Usenet in check, you aren't taking into
consideration that everyone here USES Usenet, but everyone here is not the
encompassing universe of Usenet. We can only have a negative or positive
effect on our little part of that universe, and it is our right to decide on
how we want that part of the universe to work. Moderation via castigation,
if you will. Nobody says you can't say something, but nobody says that
others can't come back on you like white on rice, either. And the last
thing I'd want to see happen here is that it becomes so politically correct
that one can't offer an opinion on another's value systems if those values
adversely affects everyone else.

Of course, if Paul McCartney stopped by with a question about using a crack,
I guess we'd all see just who really believes what, hey?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
. ..
> "LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message ...
> > Yeah, well I'm not a professional race driver but I deserve the Porsche.
> > I don't know why, I just do. In my dreams I'm really fast, man.
>
> And do you have a Porsche? I don't have Nuendo, but I think I deserve an
> expensive program like that. In my dreams I'm actually making money with
> recording, rather than spending it.
>
> > You have a day job? Want to do it for nothing?
>
> I'm not sure what this means.
>
> > How much does ProTools Free cost? Think about it. Spark ME? Free, too?
> > Why don't you free loaders look around and smell the freebies? Is it
> > because you're overly burdened with artistic angst? Give it up.
>
> No, it's because the freebies are nowhere near as good as the ones that
you
> pay for. I've downloaded both freeware and demos of many DAW programs and
I
> haven't liked the feel of any of them as much as I like Cool Edit Pro,
> excuse me, Audition.
>
> I don't expect anyone to agree with the original poster and me (and
another
> guy who posted today), and this isn't a new topic. Every time someone
posts
> a "Where can I find a crack to...." message everyone gets bent out of
shape.
> I understand the negative effects of software piracy, but don't be so
> uptight about keeping everyone on Usenet in check.
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Actually, ground round is just as tasty as Filet Mignon, but it has a
different texture and density, both being pleasing if not the same beefy
taste, but having a distinct difference in cost as well. So you offered two
reasonable solutions to the problem of being hungry and getting something
tasty either way, but they both still cost you something. Missed that one,
Hank. <g>

The real missing concept, I would think, within "No, it's because the
freebies are nowhere near as good as the ones that you pay for.", is that
beggars can't be choosers, and were it the difference between eating and not
eating, one shouldn't really give a flying **** if it's ground round or
Filet Mignon, as long as one got it honestly.

And, in truth, you're really banging on the wrong guy, Hank. Thomas isn't
necessarily actively supporting this other guy's theft with his sympathies,
but he may, in fact, be unknowningly contributing to unacceptable (by our
standards) actions with his sympathies. One might consider it
encouragement, and, I think, without the vocalization of others here against
the theft of intellectual property, sometimes it might just slide by.

But as anyone can see with some google research, I can't think of one of
these queries getting any major support but rather significant boos and
catcalling. It's a solidarity within the newgroup that allows us to know,
were we to put up a mix we wanted critiqued, that the product wouldn't go
beyond this newsgroup. That simply shows a lot of evidence on the part of
the members of the group that the group is trustworthy, and were one to walk
into that group being granted all that level of trust, then they need to
prove it by being consistent within the dynamics of the group. Surely if
someone can't afford $200 for a legal copy of software, then a $69 different
but similar functioning product should do. There really need not be a
situation where someone has to steal to get software, both the Pro Tools
Free and others being good examples, however well they fit one's needs.

At these prices, theft is a willful choice, not a necessity, and to Thomas I
say, that's why we don't like it.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> Thomas Bishop > wrote:
>
> > "LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message ...
>
> > > Yeah, well I'm not a professional race driver but I deserve the
Porsche.
> > > I don't know why, I just do. In my dreams I'm really fast, man.
>
> > And do you have a Porsche?
>
> No, and I don't actually want one; it'd suck up here in the winter and
> couldn't haul kit to gigs. Nowhere to put the McCollum.
>
> > I don't have Nuendo, but I think I deserve an
> > expensive program like that.
>
> Is that precious or what?
>
> > In my dreams I'm actually making money with
> > recording, rather than spending it.
>
> Lots of dreams differ from current reality.
>
> > > You have a day job? Want to do it for nothing?
>
> > I'm not sure what this means.
>
> Hunh?
>
> People working for a living write software. Should they do this for
> nothing so you can dream? Maybe you could try eating dreams for a few
> weeks and thereby become more "sure of what this means".
>
> > > How much does ProTools Free cost? Think about it. Spark ME? Free, too?
> > > Why don't you free loaders look around and smell the freebies? Is it
> > > because you're overly burdened with artistic angst? Give it up.
>
> > No, it's because the freebies are nowhere near as good as the ones that
you
> > pay for.
>
> And dang it, ground round isn't as tasty as filet mignon, either, but
> it's cheaper.
>
> > I've downloaded both freeware and demos of many DAW programs and I
> > haven't liked the feel of any of them as much as I like Cool Edit Pro,
> > excuse me, Audition.
>
> So you appreciate the work of the people writing the software, but you
> just think your dreams are more important than their livlihood?
>
> > I don't expect anyone to agree with the original poster and me (and
another
> > guy who posted today), and this isn't a new topic. Every time someone
posts
> > a "Where can I find a crack to...." message everyone gets bent out of
shape.
> > I understand the negative effects of software piracy, but don't be so
> > uptight about keeping everyone on Usenet in check.
>
> When people won't pay for what they use you can forget about making some
> money in music, Thomas. There are places to talk about stealing
> software. This ain't one of them. Some clues are big enough to see in
> the dark.
>
> --
> hank alrich * secret mountain
> audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
> "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

[Roger W. Norman]

Been watching Motorweek? <g> I just watched the review, but it could have
been Car&Driver, too.

--


Roger W. Norman
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"Rob Adelman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
>
>
> >>And do you have a Porsche?
> >
> >
> > No, and I don't actually want one; it'd suck up here in the winter and
> > couldn't haul kit to gigs. Nowhere to put the McCollum.
>
> Actually they have a real nice 4X4 now. It has enough horses for 3 cars.
>
> Better have a hefty bank account though..
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Someone has to get picked on so the original poster doesn't get killed in
the flame war. You became the buffer, but I don't believe anyone here
thought you a culprit.

I guess it's better to always think the gun is loaded rather than it
continually having to be fired to prove it. And if you missed that meaning,
well, if the target pops up, it will be shot down. Doesn't bode well for
the target.

--


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"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
m...
> "LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message
> > When people won't pay for what they use you can forget about making some
> > money in music, Thomas. There are places to talk about stealing
> > software. This ain't one of them. Some clues are big enough to see in
> > the dark.
>
> That is what I told the original poster in my very first post in this
> thread. I said that he's come to the wrong place but I sympathize. I
> didn't ask for a software piracy discussion, and I pointed out that this
> debate has been going on since the first person ever asked for a cracked
> program.
>
> Anyway, all my software is purchased and liscensed. I never download
> software without the intent of buying it if it is a program that I'm
> planning on keeping around.
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Oh, and yeah, a 5.6 sec 0-60 SUV is pretty impressive! <g>

But I wouldn't put equipment into it. The equipment would simply be gone
when the car was stolen. ****, they might even dump the stuff in the middle
of the street!

My wife bought some type of printing material that one squeegees onto the
window of a vehicle so I could advertise the studio. I told her it was a
sign to steal the van and it's the same reason I didn't advertise with a
website and equipment list. Simply means that the bad guys know what sized
truck to bring over.

So, somehow, we got back to stealing again, didn't we! <g>

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
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"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
...
> Been watching Motorweek? <g> I just watched the review, but it could have
> been Car&Driver, too.
>
> --
>
>
> Roger W. Norman
> SirMusic Studio
> Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
> See how far $20 really goes.
>
>
>
>
> "Rob Adelman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>And do you have a Porsche?
> > >
> > >
> > > No, and I don't actually want one; it'd suck up here in the winter and
> > > couldn't haul kit to gigs. Nowhere to put the McCollum.
> >
> > Actually they have a real nice 4X4 now. It has enough horses for 3 cars.
> >
> > Better have a hefty bank account though..
> >
>
>

[Ken Platt]

OK. Regardless of all morality issues, cracked software bites. Do you want
to wonder when it is going to work or what it is going to work with. A
friend loaned me a system to get started with digital a few years back
loaded with cracks. I was never so frustrated in my life. I went back to
analog very quickly. Then I purchased the digi001/protools set up and guess
what...rock solid (yes even under windows). Do yourself a favor and buck up
with the loot.
ciao,
ken

"Justin Ulysses Morse" > wrote in message
...
> Omitting the obvious reprimands, let me just point out that if you want
> to get decent sound quality INTO your computer, you'll need some
> hardware. A lot of that hardware comes bundled with software. PTLE
> with the M-box, for example, is a pretty cheap way to jump in. A
> couple bills more and you can get the 001 with more inputs. If you
> don't feel your recordings warrant decent audio hardware, then they
> probably won't mind running through PTFree instead of LE.
>
> I used the Digi example because I know the names of their stuff.
> Insert appropriate MOTU names in the same places and you get an equally
> workable solution.
>
> Buy used stuff on Ebay or from Music-Go-Wrong and you'll probably get
> the hard and soft ware for a song.
>
> That said, I am personally "evaluating a whole lot of Mac audio
> software. The stuff I like will get bought. The stuff I don't won't.
> I didn't download from any "warez dood" sites and am not going to for a
> variety of reasons, but there's no reason you shouldn't be able to
> "test drive" a friend's software library before deciding what you want
> to buy. So the answer to your question is YES, it is easy. Once you
> know what you want though, it's even easier to buy it. There's a hell
> of a lot to be said for technical support and reliable, stable,
> unhacked software. There's a whole lot more than a couple of hundred
> dollars worth of headache relief value there, even if you're not making
> money with it. The hours you save by not treading water in the crack
> sea are hours you can spend sleeping, eating, voting, procreating, or
> downloading pirated music and video. Unless you work at Burger King,
> the time=money equation works out firmly on the side of the scruples.
>
> ulysses
>
>
>
> Paul Beauchamp > wrote:
>
> > I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> > gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford
that!
> > Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >

[R Krizman]

<< > I dont want to have to pay for any software.. I mean Cubase SX is easily
> gonna cost £200+. Im a bedroom producer and a student, I cant afford that!
> Is it easy to obtain cracked/hacked software, warez etc for macs?
>>

You need to contact Erik from Bombfactory. He'll set you straight on this.

-R

[EggHd]

<< Oh, and yeah, a 5.6 sec 0-60 SUV is pretty impressive! <g> >>

There's a VW version as well isn't there?




---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Thomas Bishop]

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message ...
> And, in truth, you're really banging on the wrong guy, Hank. Thomas isn't
> necessarily actively supporting this other guy's theft with his
sympathies,
> but he may, in fact, be unknowningly contributing to unacceptable (by our
> standards) actions with his sympathies. One might consider it
> encouragement, and, I think, without the vocalization of others here
against
> the theft of intellectual property, sometimes it might just slide by.

Point taken.

> At these prices, theft is a willful choice, not a necessity, and to Thomas
I
> say, that's why we don't like it.

I understand.

[Roger W. Norman]

Thought you did.

--


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SirMusic Studio
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"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
...
> "Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message ...
> > And, in truth, you're really banging on the wrong guy, Hank. Thomas
isn't
> > necessarily actively supporting this other guy's theft with his
> sympathies,
> > but he may, in fact, be unknowningly contributing to unacceptable (by
our
> > standards) actions with his sympathies. One might consider it
> > encouragement, and, I think, without the vocalization of others here
> against
> > the theft of intellectual property, sometimes it might just slide by.
>
> Point taken.
>
> > At these prices, theft is a willful choice, not a necessity, and to
Thomas
> I
> > say, that's why we don't like it.
>
> I understand.
>
>

[EggHd]

<< I didn't see that, but why not? >>

I saw the Porsche at Starbucks today. It was black and pretty big. I hadok
done



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Roger W. Norman]

And that's not to mention the Caddy concept car called the Sixteen. V16,
1000 horses, 23 inch wheels, all wheel steering. Massive piece of
machinery. Maybe it will be out in two years in a V12 version, but geez, it
was beautiful.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"EggHd" > wrote in message
...
> << Oh, and yeah, a 5.6 sec 0-60 SUV is pretty impressive! <g> >>
>
> There's a VW version as well isn't there?
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> "I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Rob Adelman]

EggHd wrote:
> << I didn't see that, but why not? >>
>
> I saw the Porsche at Starbucks today. It was black and pretty big. I hadok
> done

In a recent survey I saw Porsches were rated number one for lack of
needed repairs. Ahead of Toyota, Honda, BMW and Mercedes. I wouldn't
have thought of Porsche for this honor. Volkswagon was much lower on the
list.

[Roger W. Norman]

I thought it rather tame. Dick wad sounds about right to me.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
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"Brothermark" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Get off this news group! You are ridiculous to come in here and ask
> > people that make their living on this stuff to help you get "cracked"
> > software. JACKASS!
>
> that's a bit harsh.
>
>

[EggHd]

<< I saw the Porsche at Starbucks today. It was black and pretty big. I hadok
done >>

I was posting here and trying to send an im regarding an upload,,,,, Ok done
was not part of this post. Duh.

I was going to say I saw the Porsche at the autio show last Jan. all lit up and
displayed, but this was the first one I saw in person. It was pretty tall, I
thought. Like an oversized outback on steriods.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Sugarite]

> OK. Regardless of all morality issues, cracked software bites. Do you
want
> to wonder when it is going to work or what it is going to work with. A
> friend loaned me a system to get started with digital a few years back
> loaded with cracks. I was never so frustrated in my life. I went back to
> analog very quickly. Then I purchased the digi001/protools set up and
guess
> what...rock solid (yes even under windows). Do yourself a favor and buck
up
> with the loot.
> ciao,
> ken

Funny, I've met location recorders that use cracked software even though
they own it because the dongles don't get lost/damaged/stolen, and in some
cases the crack has actually proven more stable than the dongle verification
subroutines. I didn't ask for specifics because I'm not stupid enough to
use a computer in a location recording environment... (spare us the "but my
laptop works great" replies)

[Thomas Bishop]

"LeBaron & Alrich" > wrote in message
> (And yes, Thomas has been here often and brightly, and I do not mistake
> him for a robber. He does understand the issues and why many of us feel
> the way we do about theft.)

I don't mind being the whipping boy.

[Mark]

Not everyone likes bottom posting. I prefer to read, and post, top posting.

"Brothermark" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Cubase SX is like $200. LAME excuse.
>
> But not everyone likes cubase..... or top-posting :)
>
>

[Thomas Bishop]

"Mark" > wrote in message ...
> Not everyone likes bottom posting. I prefer to read, and post, top
posting.

I didn't know what you were referring to just now. From Outlook Express it
looked as if you were replying to my message and it made me wonder what I
had said to make you reply this. Then I read on and figured it out, but it
should have been apparent at first. And don't say "Get a better news
reader."

I used to be a top-poster too, until the guys at AAPLS bitched enough. I'm
not trying to tell you which to use, but bottom-posting is more convenient
for everyone else.

[VENUSRECRD]

Dude,
Like advertising on the Internet looking for someone to help you pirate
software, has got to be one of the lamest things I've ever seen.
I mean do you want to get nailed by the feds knocking down your dorm door?
Do you want Ashcroft and Bush to friggin hop on Air Force one and come over
there
and grab your Lilly white British ass and put you in a cage in Cuba my man ?
I'd chill out on posting Shizzle like that on the net dude.

Yeah Dude most Europeans use PC's for Bedroom music because
you can build a PC for like just a couple Quid.
Macs are very expensive and are much more stable powerful and the software
is high quality and very Professional. You don't want to mess with all that.
Go ahead and use Cubase and sound forge on the PC .
You can get that pretty cheap. And for god sake don't admit to piracy on the
net.

Cool
Bill Williams
California

[Roger W. Norman]

And it's not like a person that could ask that question couldn't just come
out and ask if anyone here has a slightly older version of software they'd
be willing to sell cheap. I mean, someone's got to still have Cakewalk 9 or
some other product, besides the inexpensive N-Tracks studio I've previously
mentioned. Heck, a lot of us buy software as a stop gap or find it doesn't
exactly suite our purposes and would be glad to recover $50 or $100 out of
it and still give a helping hand out to someone just starting out. Like I
said in an earlier post. Price isn't a reason to consider using a crack.
It's a mindset that thinks it's ok to use one and the price just becomes a
justification.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
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See how far $20 really goes.




"VENUSRECRD" > wrote in message
...
> Dude,
> Like advertising on the Internet looking for someone to help you pirate
> software, has got to be one of the lamest things I've ever seen.
> I mean do you want to get nailed by the feds knocking down your dorm door?
> Do you want Ashcroft and Bush to friggin hop on Air Force one and come
over
> there
> and grab your Lilly white British ass and put you in a cage in Cuba my man
?
> I'd chill out on posting Shizzle like that on the net dude.
>
> Yeah Dude most Europeans use PC's for Bedroom music because
> you can build a PC for like just a couple Quid.
> Macs are very expensive and are much more stable powerful and the software
> is high quality and very Professional. You don't want to mess with all
that.
> Go ahead and use Cubase and sound forge on the PC .
> You can get that pretty cheap. And for god sake don't admit to piracy on
the
> net.
>
> Cool
> Bill Williams
> California
>
>

[LeBaron & Alrich]

x-no archive: yes


Thomas Bishop > wrote:

> "Mark" > wrote in message ...
> > Not everyone likes bottom posting. I prefer to read, and post, top
> > posting.

(Statement of personal preference for which the reader has no reference
to that upon which the poster is commenting...)

<snipitty doo dah>

> I used to be a top-poster too, until the guys at AAPLS bitched enough. I'm
> not trying to tell you which to use, but bottom-posting is more convenient
> for everyone else.

Thank you, sir.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

[Dave Martin]

"Chris Smalt" > wrote in message
...

> Which brings me to: software licenses often prohibit the use of the
> product in "rogue countries". So are we supposed to leave our laptops
> home? How do people of the press deal with this? And sound engineers?
>
They deal with it like most of us deal with software licenses - they ignore
the prohibitions.

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

[Rob Adelman]

<http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/09/18/bus2.feat.porshe.suv/index.html>
"The $100K SUV: A 'fearsome machine'"



Rob Adelman wrote:

>> No, and I don't actually want one; it'd suck up here in the winter and
>> couldn't haul kit to gigs. Nowhere to put the McCollum.
>
>
> Actually they have a real nice 4X4 now. It has enough horses for 3 cars.
>
> Better have a hefty bank account though..
>