Loops/Sample Trade?

[Koring]

Hello All...

Would anyone in the U.S. be interested in trading loop/sample CDs?
I'm interested in audio/wave/acid loops and samples. I have 120 GBs of
titles. If interested, please drop me an email...

[Prodmac]

This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
Krubb

Koring a =E9crit :
> =

> Hello All...
> =

> Would anyone in the U.S. be interested in trading loop/sample CDs?
> I'm interested in audio/wave/acid loops and samples. I have 120 GBs of
> titles. If interested, please drop me an email...
> =

>

[area242]

"Prodmac" > wrote in message
...
This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
Krubb

Not if he's wanting to trade his original discs for other people's original
discs.

[Patric D'Eimon]

It still seems like a tricky business. Is there a difference if I send out a
copy of a disk or if I copy a disk and send the original out? I suspect the
poster has the contents of the disk in his system somewhere and sending out
the disk whether it is the original or the copy seems like a violation of the
agreements. I suspect it would take lawyers, (or regular RAP posters that
love to discuss the crap out of these kinds of things) to figure out what
technically was legal, but I think the spirit of the thing is to not pass the
programs on if you keep any part of them.

But....that's just me. Patric

area242 wrote:

> "Prodmac" > wrote in message
> ...
> This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
> Krubb
>
> Not if he's wanting to trade his original discs for other people's original
> discs.

[area242]

"Patric D'Eimon" > wrote in message
...
> It still seems like a tricky business. Is there a difference if I send
out a
> copy of a disk or if I copy a disk and send the original out? I suspect
the
> poster has the contents of the disk in his system somewhere and sending
out
> the disk whether it is the original or the copy seems like a violation of
the
> agreements. I suspect it would take lawyers, (or regular RAP posters that
> love to discuss the crap out of these kinds of things) to figure out what
> technically was legal, but I think the spirit of the thing is to not pass
the
> programs on if you keep any part of them.
>
> But....that's just me. Patric

Oh, I hear ya...and agree, morally. But, I still think it's not "illegal"
to trade original discs (in and of itself). Copying, then trading or
selling is a another thing all together and illegal. I just wanted to give
the original poster the benefit of a doubt, in case he was legitimately just
not using those discs and wanted to trade for others.

[Stephen Sherrard]

>
> Oh, I hear ya...and agree, morally. But, I still think it's not "illegal"
> to trade original discs (in and of itself). Copying, then trading or
> selling is a another thing all together and illegal. I just wanted to
give
> the original poster the benefit of a doubt, in case he was legitimately
just
> not using those discs and wanted to trade for others.
>
>

Actually, it is illegal. If you read the license agreements on pretty much
any loop/sample CD it basically says the samples are "licensed, NOT sold" to
the original purchaser only. In other words, you are NOT buying the CD, you
are paying for a license to use the samples, which just happen to be
delivered to you on a CD. You can not transfer the license. If someone
else wants the loops/samples, they need to buy their own license if they
want to keep it legal.

Doesn't stop a lot of people from trying to resell sample CDs, although most
of them usually get removed from E-Bay if the company that produces them
finds out and reports the auction.

Steve

[area242]

"Stephen Sherrard" > wrote in message
news:J5T5b.355595$o%2.162619@sccrnsc02...
>
> >
> > Oh, I hear ya...and agree, morally. But, I still think it's not
"illegal"
> > to trade original discs (in and of itself). Copying, then trading or
> > selling is a another thing all together and illegal. I just wanted to
> give
> > the original poster the benefit of a doubt, in case he was legitimately
> just
> > not using those discs and wanted to trade for others.
> >
> >
>
> Actually, it is illegal. If you read the license agreements on pretty
much
> any loop/sample CD it basically says the samples are "licensed, NOT sold"
to
> the original purchaser only. In other words, you are NOT buying the CD,
you
> are paying for a license to use the samples, which just happen to be
> delivered to you on a CD. You can not transfer the license. If someone
> else wants the loops/samples, they need to buy their own license if they
> want to keep it legal.
>
> Doesn't stop a lot of people from trying to resell sample CDs, although
most
> of them usually get removed from E-Bay if the company that produces them
> finds out and reports the auction.

That's a good point. I guess it would depend on the user/license agreement
for the particular CD. Yikes...

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Prodmac" > wrote in message
...
This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
Krubb

What about those "royalty free loops" CD's? What's to keep someone from
recording the whole thing and selling it? What's the difference (legally) in
that and using all the bits in songs and selling them? I don't agree with
it, I've just never seen a sample disc. (I do acoustic based music so I'm
not aware of the fine print on them).

[area242]

"Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
news:xr%5b.363909$Ho3.54060@sccrnsc03...
> "Prodmac" > wrote in message
> ...
> This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
> Krubb
>
> What about those "royalty free loops" CD's? What's to keep someone from
> recording the whole thing and selling it? What's the difference (legally)
in
> that and using all the bits in songs and selling them? I don't agree with
> it, I've just never seen a sample disc. (I do acoustic based music so I'm
> not aware of the fine print on them).

They are royalty free for "use" not for "resell". Like another guy pointed
out, you're not buying the samples...just leasing them. That's how they
protect themselves from that sort of thing.

[Stephen Sherrard]

"area242" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> news:xr%5b.363909$Ho3.54060@sccrnsc03...
> > "Prodmac" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > This is illegal buddy. Read the fine print in your CD's.
> > Krubb
> >
> > What about those "royalty free loops" CD's? What's to keep someone from
> > recording the whole thing and selling it? What's the difference
(legally)
> in
> > that and using all the bits in songs and selling them? I don't agree
with
> > it, I've just never seen a sample disc. (I do acoustic based music so
I'm
> > not aware of the fine print on them).
>
> They are royalty free for "use" not for "resell". Like another guy
pointed
> out, you're not buying the samples...just leasing them. That's how they
> protect themselves from that sort of thing.
>
>

Correct, the "royalty free" part simply means that if you have a hit song
made with the loops you licensed, you do not have to pay them any royalties
from sales of your music or from song performance royalties you might
collect from ASCAP, BMI, etc. All loops and samples on "royalty free" CDs
are still protected by copyright laws, so you can't copy and resell them as
is. The license agreements these days are very specific about how you can
and can not use them. In fact, most loop library license agreements on
newer products don't even let you use the loops within music that you are
going to sell through a production music library... so, you really need to
read the license agreements carefully these days if you don't want to risk a
potential lawsuit for illegal use.

A Non-Royalty-Free loop would be something like if you took a loop from a
Sting song, for example, and made a rap song out of it. In that case, you
need to get clearance from Sting and his record company (probably with some
sort of license fee up front) and then also pay Sting royalties on the sales
of the CD as well as performance royalties (which Sting would actually
collect through ASCAP or BMI).

Steve

[Bill G.]

>
> Oh, I hear ya...and agree, morally. But, I still think it's not "illegal"
> to trade original discs (in and of itself). Copying, then trading or
> selling is a another thing all together and illegal. I just wanted to give
> the original poster the benefit of a doubt, in case he was legitimately just
> not using those discs and wanted to trade for others.

Come on...Is there ANYONE in this country that even has the disposable
income to BUY 120 gb worth of loops/sample cds? Quincy Jones maybe?

[area242]

"Bill G." > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > Oh, I hear ya...and agree, morally. But, I still think it's not
"illegal"
> > to trade original discs (in and of itself). Copying, then trading or
> > selling is a another thing all together and illegal. I just wanted to
give
> > the original poster the benefit of a doubt, in case he was legitimately
just
> > not using those discs and wanted to trade for others.
>
> Come on...Is there ANYONE in this country that even has the disposable
> income to BUY 120 gb worth of loops/sample cds? Quincy Jones maybe?

Look on ebay, they sell these cheezy acid loop discs for next to
nothing...and I mean HUGE libraries.