A Theory About Scott

[vinyl anachronist]

I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
educating him about these issues.

Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

vinyl anachronist said:

> I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
> the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
> that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
> goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
> topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
> educating him about these issues.
>
> Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.

Right the second time.

I think when Witless said he comes to do battle with the "liberal" dragon,
he was sincere. He believes he can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
America through endless yapping on RAO.

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > vinyl anachronist > wrote:
> >
> >> I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
> >> the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
> >> that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
> >> goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
> >> topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
> >> educating him about these issues.
> >>
> >> Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.
> >
> > No, he holds on to bad info pretty much forever. Look how he brought up
> > that Cronkite Vietnam defeat thing. Back when I was taking him
> > seriously, I looked up the source of that canard and found that it was
> > attributed to a book and speeches by a former VietCong propaganda
> > minister. And the book doesn't exist. Oh, well.
>
> In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
> yourselves.
>
> The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
> refferred
> to are
> Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
> the war against the United States.
> and/or
> Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.
>
> Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.
>
> Here's an interview with Tin.
> http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm
>
> and one with Giap.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/giaptranscript.h
> tml
>
> Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
> Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.

Hi, nym-shifter! Please cite the "numerous books" on the subject to
which you refer. While you're at it, please explain the chronology of
the Vietnamese military actions compared to the date of Cronkite's
statement.

Stephen

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 19, 11:54�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Sep 19, 9:37�am, vinyl anachronist >
> wrote:
>
> > I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
> > the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
> > that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
> > goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
> > topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
> > educating him about these issues.
>
> > Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.
>
> �More mud from the self proclaimed sty cleaner.
> �It's all he's got.

It's enough to send you into a tizzy.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

vinyl anachronist said:

> > > Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.
> >
> > ?More mud from the self proclaimed sty cleaner.
> > ?It's all he's got.
>
> It's enough to send you into a tizzy.

Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
> yourselves.
>
> The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
> refferred
> to are
> Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
> the war against the United States.
> and/or
> Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.
>
> Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.
>
> Here's an interview with Tin.
> http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm
>
> and one with Giap.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/giaptranscript.h
> tml
>
> Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
> Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.

No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Ed Moise ... [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:

This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the
Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General
Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet
Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to
abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the
Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds
and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned
Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up
on the war.

Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is
supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in
general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their
minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made
this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985
memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the
War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has
Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that
the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."

--

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 19, 12:47*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic yourselves.

No. Your claim, you provide the proof.

That's how smart people do it, 2pid.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 19, 9:03*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:

> In reality, the only thing they accomplished was political in part
> thanks to Walter.

The conclusion is not supported by the material you posted.

Oh well, back to the drawing board!

[[email protected]]

On Sep 19, 1:56*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
> the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
> can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
> America through endless yapping on RAO.

Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
"wrecking ball." :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

said:

> > I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
> > the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
> > can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
> > America through endless yapping on RAO.
>
> Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
> "wrecking ball." :-)

Your comparison is apt, John, but I'm mystified as to why you keep
bowdlerizing my nicknames for certain individuals.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Sep 19, 1:56*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
> > I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
> > the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
> > can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
> > America through endless yapping on RAO.
>
> Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
> "wrecking ball." :-)
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

(Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. It's probably
temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
different, and I see three topics of interest...)

Speaking of Howard, I see that he's again (still?) writing for Sensible
Sound. I thought that he retired.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
> > > the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
> > > can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
> > > America through endless yapping on RAO.
> >
> > Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
> > "wrecking ball." :-)

> Speaking of Howard, I see that he's again (still?) writing for Sensible
> Sound. I thought that he retired.

I'd guess Mrs. Ferstler unretired him.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 19, 2:29*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:

> Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.

As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.

Were there others at some point?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 19, 12:47*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Here's an interview with Tin.http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm

"America lost because of its democracy;"
"Train South Vietnam's generals. The junior South Vietnamese officers
were good, competent and courageous, but the commanding general
officers were inept."
"Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen.
William] Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi
Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war."

So according to your source, all the US had to do to win in Vietnam
was to give up our democracy, replace the General Staff of the ARVN
and declare war on another country. Add in get rid of the corruption
in Vietnamese leadership and escalate further and perhaps we would
have had a chance. LoL.

So what are you yapping about? LoL.

> and one with Giap.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/giaptra...

"Who, then, were the ones defeated? Those who were after aggression at
any price."

You lost, 2pid. Poor you. LoL.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.
>
> As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.
> Were there others at some point?

Oh yes. Well, if you count RAO alliances, that is. He was friends with most
of the 'borgs and nerds, including Harold and the Kroo. Curiously, he hated
Paula Wagnerette and Gregipus, but because I was hostile to them, Witless
tried to nuzzle them.

It's all so sordid.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 19, 6:31*pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *"ScottW" > wrote:[i]
> > In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
> > yourselves.
>
> > The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
> > refferred
> > to are
> > Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
> > the war against the United States.
> > and/or
> > Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.
>
> > Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.
>
> > Here's an interview with Tin.
> >http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm
>
> > and one with Giap.
> >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/giaptra...
> > tml
>
> > Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
> > Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.
>
> No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.
>
> http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232
>
> Ed Moise ... Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
> Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:
>
> * * This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the
> Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General
> Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet
> Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to
> abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the
> Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds
> and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned
> Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up
> on the war.
>
> * * Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is
> supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in
> general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
> in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their
> minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made
> this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985
> memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the
> War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has
> Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that
> the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."

See also:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp

If it makes Snopes it might as well be an Ethiopian Prince who needs
help getting the contents of his bank account to the US. LoL.

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Sep 19, 6:31*pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > In article >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *"ScottW" > wrote:[i]
> > > In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
> > > yourselves.
> >
> > > The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
> > > refferred
> > > to are
> > > Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam
> > > throughout
> > > the war against the United States.
> > > and/or
> > > Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.
> >
> > > Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.
> >
> > > Here's an interview with Tin.
> > >http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm
> >
> > > and one with Giap.
> > >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/giaptra...
> > > tml
> >
> > > Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
> > > Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.
> >
> > No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.
> >
> > http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232
> >
> > Ed Moise ... Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
> > Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:

<quote snip>

> See also:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
>
> If it makes Snopes it might as well be an Ethiopian Prince who needs
> help getting the contents of his bank account to the US. LoL.

Bui Tin is the propaganda officer to whom I referred. I think I cited
Moises last time around, too, so Scott has already seen it! IIRC, he
rejects evidence he considers too "academic."

Stephen

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 21, 1:26�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2:29�pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.
>
> As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.
>
> Were there others at some point?

Yeah...me, unfortunately.

[[email protected]]

On Sep 20, 2:39*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> said:
> > > I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
> > > the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
> > > can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
> > > America through endless yapping on RAO.
>
> > Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
> > "wrecking ball." :-)
>
> Your comparison is apt, John, but I'm mystified as to why
> you keep bowdlerizing my nicknames for certain individuals.

After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 21, 12:56*pm, wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:39*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:

> After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
> Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?

I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 21, 6:11�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 12:56�pm, wrote:
>
> > On Sep 20, 2:39�pm, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
> > After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
> > Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.
>
> Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> about it.

He's been running away a lot lately.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 21, 6:15*pm, vinyl anachronist >
wrote:
> On Sep 21, 6:11 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 20, 2:39 pm, George M. Middius >
> > > wrote:
> > > After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
> > > Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.
>
> > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > about it.
>
> He's been running away a lot lately.

He doesn't ever "run away". He is just silently agreeing with you.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 21, 6:24�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 6:15�pm, vinyl anachronist >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 6:11 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 20, 2:39 pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
> > > > Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.
>
> > > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > > about it.
>
> > He's been running away a lot lately.
>
> He doesn't ever "run away". He is just silently agreeing with you.

That makes sense. LoL.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> about it.

Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 21, 6:51�pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > about it.
>
> Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> you."

Quad ESLs. Krell amp. Yamaha preamp. Mitsubishi turntable. Draw your
own conclusions about Scott's ideas on "accuracy."

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 21, 6:51*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > about it.
>
> Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> you."

When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.

2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
> >
> > > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > > about it.
> >
> > Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> > been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> > you."
>
> When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
> how he knew they were "accurate" at all.
>
> 2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.

Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".

One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 21, 8:08�pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > > > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > > > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > > > about it.
>
> > > Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> > > been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> > > you."
>
> > When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
> > how he knew they were "accurate" at all.
>
> > 2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.
>
> Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
> Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
> is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".
>
> One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
> advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.

Be careful...Scott likes to run away whenever audio topics are
discussed on an audio newsgroup. He's out of his element.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 21, 8:08*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > > > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > > > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > > > about it.
>
> > > Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> > > been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> > > you."
>
> > When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
> > how he knew they were "accurate" at all.
>
> > 2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.
>
> Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
> Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
> is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".

How can you like something that isn't "accurate"?

SETs (for example) are not my cup of tea, but if you like them be my
guest.

> One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
> advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.

Insanity is like that.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 21, 8:37*pm, vinyl anachronist >
wrote:
> On Sep 21, 8:08 pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > > Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?
>
> > > > > I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
> > > > > than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
> > > > > about it.
>
> > > > Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
> > > > been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
> > > > you."
>
> > > When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
> > > how he knew they were "accurate" at all.
>
> > > 2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.
>
> > Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
> > Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
> > is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".
>
> > One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
> > advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.
>
> Be careful...Scott likes to run away whenever audio topics are
> discussed on an audio newsgroup. He's out of his element.

Stupidity is like that.

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

> (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. It's probably
> temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> different, and I see three topics of interest...)

Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?


--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. It's probably
> > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
>
> Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?

Nope, just the truth.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
>
> > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
>
> Nope, just the truth.

sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.

> > Nope, just the truth.
>
> sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women™ ?

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
>
> > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women™ ?

"At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"James Smith" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Jenn" > wrote :
> >
> > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
> >
> > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
> >
> > Nope, just the truth.
>
> sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
bear.

So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
I posted my thoughts on her. A high crime, for sure.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
> > Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
> >
> > > > Nope, just the truth.
> >
> > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women� ?
>
> "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!

That makes two of us.

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
> > >
> > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
> > >
> > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
> > >
> > > Nope, just the truth.
> >
> > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
> bear.
>
> So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> I posted my thoughts on her. A high crime, for sure.

I'm happy you shared. I knew you mentioned playing gigs and I wondered
if you had memories of Mary. I had no idea you had a friendship!

Name-dropping would be me mentioning the time I rode in an Indiana
University elevator with James Galway. He's short, but still taller than
the guitarist he was touring with, Kazuhito Yama****a.

Scottie and Sackie seem to be in attack mode at all times. Kinda trollie.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> > >
> > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?
> >
> > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> That makes two of us.

Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
Hell.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> > > >
> > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?
> > >
> > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
> >
> > That makes two of us.
>
> Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
> Hell.

OK, thanks.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 12:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
>
> > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
>
> > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. *We all have our own burdens to
> bear.
>
> So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> I posted my thoughts on her. *A high crime, for sure.


Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!

As far as my comment about you, it was just the truth!

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 12:07*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
> > > Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
>
> > > > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women *?
>
> > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> That makes two of us.

Yet, I don't think that we are competing for the same prey!

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 2:04*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?
>
> > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> > That makes two of us.
>
> Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
> Hell.

Abnormal people don't burn in hell.
I don't think anyone burns in hell.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 26, 2:12*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2:04*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?
>
> > > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> > > That makes two of us.
>
> > Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
> > Hell.
>
> Abnormal people don't burn in hell.
> I don't think anyone burns in hell.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 26, 2:12*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2:04*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?
>
> > > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> > > That makes two of us.
>
> > Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
> > Hell.
>
> Abnormal people don't burn in hell.

2pid still has a shot then.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 26, 2:10*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 12:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
>
> > > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
>
> > > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. *We all have our own burdens to
> > bear.
>
> > So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> > I posted my thoughts on her. *A high crime, for sure.
>
> Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!

An offer hard to refuse I'm sure.

> As far as my comment about you, it was just the truth!

Name dropping is different than recalling events from a professional
career.

What you're saying is that a studio musician who says "I was on some
sessions for the last Sting album and I thought he was a really nice
guy" is "name dropping".

Is C.C. Sabathia name dropping if he mentions he had dinner with Derek
Jeter?

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 4:29*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2:10*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 12:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > > > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
>
> > > > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
>
> > > > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. *We all have our own burdens to
> > > bear.
>
> > > So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> > > I posted my thoughts on her. *A high crime, for sure.
>
> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!
>
> An offer hard to refuse I'm sure.
>
> > As far as my comment about you, it was just the truth!
>
> Name dropping is different than recalling events from a professional
> career.
>
> What you're saying is that a studio musician who says "I was on some
> sessions for the last Sting album and I thought he was a really nice
> guy" is "name dropping".
>
> Is C.C. Sabathia name dropping if he mentions he had dinner with Derek
> Jeter?

Is Bratzi' name dropping when he claims to having had sex with MM's
corpse?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 26, 12:07*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
> >
> > > > > > Nope, just the truth.
> >
> > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women *?
> >
> > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
> >
> > That makes two of us.
>
> Yet, I don't think that we are competing for the same prey!

I don't prowl. Never have.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 26, 12:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
> >
> > > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
> >
> > > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
> >
> > > > Nope, just the truth.
> >
> > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. *We all have our own burdens to
> > bear.
> >
> > So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> > I posted my thoughts on her. *A high crime, for sure.
>
>
> Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!

As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
wouldn't find meeting you though.

>
> As far as my comment about you, it was just the truth!

Well, sorry if it comes off that way, but it's not the truth. I've just
mentioned some friends when it relates to the conversation. I should
know better than to display humanity around here.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > *"James Smith" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Jenn" > wrote :
> > > >
> > > > > > (Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
> > > > > > temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
> > > > > > different, and I see three topics of interest...)
> > > >
> > > > > Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?
> > > >
> > > > Nope, just the truth.
> > >
> > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
> > bear.
> >
> > So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
> > I posted my thoughts on her. A high crime, for sure.
>
> I'm happy you shared. I knew you mentioned playing gigs and I wondered
> if you had memories of Mary. I had no idea you had a friendship!
>
> Name-dropping would be me mentioning the time I rode in an Indiana
> University elevator with James Galway. He's short, but still taller than
> the guitarist he was touring with, Kazuhito Yama****a.

lol Fun. Yeah, namedropping would be me telling about who I had a
drink with following playing in the house band in the LA Folk Festival 2
years ago. That was fun as well!

>
> Scottie and Sackie seem to be in attack mode at all times. Kinda trollie.

Yep.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > Yet, I don't think that we are competing for the same prey!
>
> I don't prowl. Never have.

Sacky doesn't believe in Venus.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. *We all have our own burdens to
> > > bear.

> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!

> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.

You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

> > > *We all have our own burdens to bear.

> > As far as my comment about you, it was just the truth!

> Well, sorry if it comes off that way, but it's not the truth. I've just
> mentioned some friends when it relates to the conversation.

Sacky was clearly drunk when he said that. At worst, your disclaimer was
needlessly polite.

> I should know better than to display humanity around here.

That's another way of putting it.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 5:43*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 12:07*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
>
> > > > > > > Nope, just the truth.
>
> > > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women *?
>
> > > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
>
> > > That makes two of us.
>
> > Yet, I don't think that we are competing for the same prey!
>
> I don't prowl. *Never have.

You just grovel and fawn

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 26, 5:43*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 12:07*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.
> >
> > > > > > > > Nope, just the truth.
> >
> > > > > > > sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > > > Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women *?
> >
> > > > > "At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!
> >
> > > > That makes two of us.
> >
> > > Yet, I don't think that we are competing for the same prey!
> >
> > I don't prowl. *Never have.
>
> You just grovel and fawn

Yes, that's it. Uh huh.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 26, 4:01*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:

> Is Bratzi' *name dropping when he claims to having had sex with MM's
> corpse?

Are you drunk...again?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > Is Bratzi' *name dropping when he claims to having had sex with MM's
> > corpse?
>
> Are you drunk...again?

Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
anybody to drink.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 26, 6:58*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > Is Bratzi' *name dropping when he claims to having had sex with MM's
> > > corpse?
>
> > Are you drunk...again?
>
> Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> anybody to drink.


then Shhh! should be sloppy

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky belched:

> > > Are you drunk...again?
> >
> > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > anybody to drink.

> then Shhh! should be sloppy

An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 26, 11:08*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky belched:
>
> > > > Are you drunk...again?
>
> > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > anybody to drink.
> > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.

Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
sober.

Clyde is clearly and obviously three sheets to the wind.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > Sacky belched:
> >
> > > > > Are you drunk...again?
> >
> > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > anybody to drink.
> > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
> >
> > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
> sober.
>
> Clyde is clearly and obviously three sheets to the wind.

Sure seems so.

OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
is away on bereavement leave.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 12:08*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky belched:
>
> > > > Are you drunk...again?
>
> > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > anybody to drink.
> > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.

no, it is not
think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:12*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:

>
> > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > anybody to drink.
> > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
> sober.
>

I didn't say that, George did.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:18*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > Sacky belched:
>
> > > > > > Are you drunk...again?
>
> > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
> > sober.
>
> > Clyde is clearly and obviously three sheets to the wind.
>
> Sure seems so.
>
> OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
> is away on bereavement leave.

Please don't make me go out and find a bunch of OT articles to` post.
And don't make me dream up oblique non-English references
to my intended messages.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky dogs the pony.

> > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > anybody to drink.
> > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
> >
> > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> no, it is not
> think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.

Nor is it Shhhh.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky's confused.

> > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
> >
> > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
> >
> > Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
> > sober.

> I didn't say that, George did.

No, I said YOU drag Witless to school. Or at least you go through the
motions.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky disses Witlessmongrel BEHIND HIS BACK!

> > OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
> > is away on bereavement leave.
>
> Please don't make me go out and find a bunch of OT articles to` post.
> And don't make me dream up oblique non-English references
> to my intended messages.

"Make" you? You don't even remember cooking up your own plan?

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 27, 2:43�am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > �then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > no, it is not
> > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> Nor is it Shhhh.

Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
picking up dog poop.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 8:57*am, vinyl anachronist >
wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > no, it is not
> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> picking up dog poop.

I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.

There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
fool of him.

Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
republican.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Sep 27, 12:09�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:57�am, vinyl anachronist >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
>
> > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > no, it is not
> > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> > picking up dog poop.
>
> I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
> to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.
>
> There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
> fool of him.
>
> Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
> republican.

I feel that stronge urge to be whatever he isn't as well.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:43*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > no, it is not
> > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> Nor is it Shhhh.

that is exaqctly who it is

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:43*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky's confused.
>
> > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > Why would Clyde say I "dragged [2pid] to obedience school" if he was
> > > sober.
> > I didn't say that, George did.
>
> No, I said YOU drag Witless to school. Or at least you go through the
> motions.

no i don't, but thanks for the complement anyway.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:44*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky disses Witlessmongrel BEHIND HIS BACK!
>
> > > OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
> > > is away on bereavement leave.
>
> > Please don't make me go out and find a bunch of OT articles to` post.
> > And don't make me dream up oblique non-English references
> > to my intended messages.
>
> "Make" you? You don't even remember cooking up your own plan?

you were talking about me filling in for Scott.
\Posting OT blog links would seem to be part of the deal.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 3:56*pm, vinyl anachronist >
wrote:
> On Sep 27, 12:09 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 8:57 am, vinyl anachronist >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> > > picking up dog poop.
>
> > I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
> > to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.
>
> > There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
> > fool of him.
>
> > Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
> > republican.
>
> I feel that stronge urge to be whatever he isn't as well.

I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

grrrrr-ROWF!

> > Sacky dogs the pony.
> >
> > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
> >
> > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
> >
> > > no, it is not
> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> that is exaqctly who it is

I disagree quite strongly.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

duh-Sacky reveals the truth of my suspicion.

> > No, I said YOU drag Witless to school. Or at least you go through the
> > motions.
>
> no i don't, but thanks for the complement anyway.

Your illeterite.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Sacky disses Witlessmongrel BEHIND HIS BACK!
> >
> > > > OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
> > > > is away on bereavement leave.
> >
> > > Please don't make me go out and find a bunch of OT articles to` post.
> > > And don't make me dream up oblique non-English references
> > > to my intended messages.
> >
> > "Make" you? You don't even remember cooking up your own plan?
>
> you were talking about me filling in for Scott.
> \Posting OT blog links would seem to be part of the deal.

Nobody's stopping you.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 6:25*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 3:56*pm, vinyl anachronist >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 12:09 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Sep 27, 8:57 am, vinyl anachronist >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > > Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> > > > picking up dog poop.
>
> > > I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
> > > to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.
>
> > > There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
> > > fool of him.
>
> > > Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
> > > republican.
>
> > I feel that stronge urge to be whatever he isn't as well.
>
> I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.

There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
Internet resume BS.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 6:22*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 3:43*am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > no, it is not
> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> that is exaqctly who it is

And how do I attempt to make 2pid "obedient"?

Oh, wait. I know where you're going with this. You're referring to the
fact that I always push 2pid's face in his own doo-doo. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 6:55*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> grrrrr-ROWF!
>
> > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > no, it is not
> > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > that is exaqctly who it is
>
> I disagree quite strongly.

Neither one of them has a very good grasp of reality. I suppose that's
why they're friends.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 6:55*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> grrrrr-ROWF!
>
> > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > no, it is not
> > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > that is exaqctly who it is
>
> I disagree quite strongly.

BTW, do you suppose Clyde's in his cups...again?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > > > > who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >
> > > that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> BTW, do you suppose Clyde's in his cups...again?

I doubt it. Apparently he's back in the States, and he's not the type to get
plastered at 7 in the evening. He may have knocked back one or two by now at
most.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 7:55*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> grrrrr-ROWF!
>
> > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > no, it is not
> > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > that is exaqctly who it is
>
> I disagree quite strongly.

He is the one exerting the most effort to making him
compliant to societal norms, at least as far as language
and logic goes. I might try now and then,
but not as often as Shh!

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 7:55*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> duh-Sacky reveals the truth of my suspicion.
>
> > > No, I said YOU drag Witless to school. Or at least you go through the
> > > motions.
>
> > no i don't, but thanks for the complement anyway.
>
> Your illeterite.

You compliment SHHH quite well

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 7:56*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > Sacky disses Witlessmongrel BEHIND HIS BACK!
>
> > > > > OTOH, at least the Sackster is trying to fill in for Witless while the pooch
> > > > > is away on bereavement leave.
>
> > > > Please don't make me go out and find a bunch of OT articles to` post.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 8:03*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:25*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 3:56*pm, vinyl anachronist >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 12:09 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Sep 27, 8:57 am, vinyl anachronist >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > > > Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> > > > > picking up dog poop.
>
> > > > I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
> > > > to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.
>
> > > > There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
> > > > fool of him.
>
> > > > Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
> > > > republican.
>
> > > I feel that stronge urge to be whatever he isn't as well.
>
> > I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.
>
> There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
> Internet resume BS.

I'll keep that under advisement, Major SHHHH!

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 8:04*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:22*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 3:43*am, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
>
> > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > no, it is not
> > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > that is exaqctly who it is
>
> And how do I attempt to make 2pid "obedient"?
>
> Oh, wait. I know where you're going with this. You're referring to the
> fact that I always push 2pid's face in his own doo-doo. LOL!

You do seem to jerk his chain.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

OK, it's almost midnight. Somebody must be at least halfway through his
bottle of the day.

> > grrrrr-ROWF!
> >
> > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
> >
> > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
> >
> > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
> >
> > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >
> > > that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> He is the one exerting the most effort to making him
> compliant to societal norms, at least as far as language
> and logic goes. I might try now and then,
> but not as often as Shh!

You're completely misreading Shhh's intention.

Not only that, but you're myopically ignoring the only Normal who really
does try to socialize Witlessmongrel. (It's not Lord Atkinson.)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > > I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.
> >
> > There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
> > Internet resume BS.
>
> I'll keep that under advisement, Major SHHHH!

Shhhh has posted a fair amount of evidence that he is a longtime Army
officer. Witless, on the other paw, keeps his hypothetical engineering
knowledge bottled up, probably because he's terrified of pulling a Krooger.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 10:24*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:03*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 6:25*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 3:56*pm, vinyl anachronist >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 27, 12:09 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 27, 8:57 am, vinyl anachronist >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 27, 2:43 am, George M. Middius >
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > > > > then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > > > > Is it me? I hope I haven't been entrusted with that duty. I hate
> > > > > > picking up dog poop.
>
> > > > > I think this is a result of the misperception 2pid has that I'm trying
> > > > > to "oppress" his 'differing POV' or make him conform to mine.
>
> > > > > There's a world of difference between oppressing 2pid and making a
> > > > > fool of him.
>
> > > > > Meanwhile, if 2pid was a Dem I'd have to strongly consider becoming a
> > > > > republican.
>
> > > > I feel that stronge urge to be whatever he isn't as well.
>
> > > I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.
>
> > There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
> > Internet resume BS.
>
> I'll keep that under advisement, Major SHHHH!

Exactly. Why should 2pid get a pass?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 10:39*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> OK, it's almost midnight. Somebody must be at least halfway through his
> bottle of the day.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > grrrrr-ROWF!
>
> > > > > Sacky dogs the pony.
>
> > > > > > > > > Dragging duh-Scottie to obedience training week after week would drive
> > > > > > > > > anybody to drink.
> > > > > > > > *then Shhh! should be sloppy
>
> > > > > > > An IKYABWAI? How pathetic.
>
> > > > > > no, it is not
> > > > > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > > that is exaqctly who it is
>
> > > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> > He is the one exerting the most effort to making him
> > compliant to societal norms, at least as far as language
> > and logic goes. I might try now and then,
> > but not as often as Shh!
>
> You're completely misreading Shhh's intention.

I'll say.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > You're completely misreading Shhh's intention.
>
> I'll say.

Anybody who befriends Scottie Witlessmongrel is guaranteed to have
substandard discernment skills. As further evidence of Sacky's clogged
perspicacity, he actually believes that increasing the socialization of our
medical care system would be WORSE than the status quo. The status quo
leaves 20% of us uninsured and a further 40% (I think) underinsured. Not to
mention the absurdity of sick people being excluded from the health care
system because profits would be threatened. Sacky, like Scottie and the rest
of the dimwit "conservatives", truly believe that we have "the best" health
care system in the world. They actually say that out loud, without the
slightest tinge of irony.

So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)

[James Smith]

"George M. Middius" wrote

>> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
>> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>> >
>> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>>
>> that is exaqctly who it is
>
> I disagree quite strongly.

Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.


--


Jim Smith

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 8:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" wrote
>
> >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> >> that is exaqctly who it is
>
> > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.

I can see why you'd want to in a thread named "A Theory About [2pid]".
Oh, wait.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 27, 11:16*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:

> So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)

Though I did think it was nice of Clyde to compliment me about my
sound reasoning and good communication skills.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "George M. Middius" wrote
>
> >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >> >
> >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >>
> >> that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.

Sure, "James"...whatever you say.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 27, 11:41*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.
>
> > > There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
> > > Internet resume BS.
>
> > I'll keep that under advisement, Major SHHHH!
>
> Shhhh has posted a fair amount of evidence that he is a longtime Army
> officer.

I have seen no evidence at all

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 12:16*am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > You're completely misreading Shhh's intention.
>
> > I'll say.
>
> Anybody who befriends Scottie Witlessmongrel is guaranteed to have
> substandard discernment skills. As further evidence of Sacky's clogged
> perspicacity, he actually believes that increasing the socialization of our
> medical care system would be WORSE than the status quo. The status quo
> leaves 20% of us uninsured and a further 40% (I think) underinsured. Not to
> mention the absurdity of sick people being excluded from the health care
> system because profits would be threatened. Sacky, like Scottie and the rest
> of the dimwit "conservatives", truly believe that we have "the best" health
> care system in the world. They actually say that out loud, without the
> slightest tinge of irony.
>
> So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)

20% uninsured, 40% underinsured, even if I accept those numbers, no
problem, just
susidize their premiums for private insurance.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" wrote
>
> >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> >> that is exaqctly who it is
>
> > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.
>

No, just normal insecurities.
I don't think she is a narcissist.
she just comes off as a fawning sycophant.
It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.

I am sure the she os a very nice person.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 10:21*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 11:16*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)
>
> Though I did think it was nice of Clyde to compliment me about my
> sound reasoning and good communication skills.

Wrong, I complemented you.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> > "George M. Middius" wrote
> >
> > >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >
> > >> that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > > I disagree quite strongly.
> >
> > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.
> >
>
> No, just normal insecurities.
> I don't think she is a narcissist.
> she just comes off as a fawning sycophant.
> It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
>
> I am sure the she os a very nice person.

OK, from now on I only know you guys.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 10:43*am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 11:41*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > I already qaulify, I am not an engineer.
>
> > > > There is no evidence that 2pid is either. There's just a bunch of
> > > > Internet resume BS.
>
> > > I'll keep that under advisement, Major SHHHH!
>
> > Shhhh has posted a fair amount of evidence that he is a longtime Army
> > officer.
>
> I have seen no evidence at all

Well, Clyde, that's why people laugh at you and 2pid. LOL!

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)
>
> Though I did think it was nice of Clyde to compliment me about my
> sound reasoning and good communication skills.

He offered me a "complement", but he blamed it on you.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:54*am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> > > "George M. Middius" wrote
>
> > > >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > >> that is exaqctly who it is
>
> > > > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> > > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and egotistism.
>
> > No, just normal insecurities.
> > I don't think she is a narcissist.
> > she just comes off as a *fawning sycophant.
> > It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> > aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
>
> > I am sure the she os a very nice person.
>
> OK, from now on I only know you guys.

you completely missed the point, you purposely side-stepped it

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 11:54*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> > > > "George M. Middius" wrote
> >
> > > > >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > > > >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >
> > > > >> that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > > > > I disagree quite strongly.
> >
> > > > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
> > > > egotistism.
> >
> > > No, just normal insecurities.
> > > I don't think she is a narcissist.
> > > she just comes off as a *fawning sycophant.
> > > It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> > > aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
> >
> > > I am sure the she os a very nice person.
> >
> > OK, from now on I only know you guys.
>
> you completely missed the point, you purposely side-stepped it

What point did I "side-step"?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > > I am sure the she os a very nice person.
> >
> > OK, from now on I only know you guys.
>
> you completely missed the point, you purposely side-stepped it

Hahahahaha! Good one!

uh.... You do know you were mocking yourself, right?

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

> Sure, "James"...whatever you say.

By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.

There are two possibilities here :

A) Jenn has factual evidence to support the insinuation.
B) It is nothing but a slur.

Which is it Jenn?

Tell the truth - if you can.



--


Jim Smith

[James Smith]

"Jenn" wrote :

>> > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
>> > egotistism.
>> >
>>
>> No, just normal insecurities.
>> I don't think she is a narcissist.
>> she just comes off as a fawning sycophant.
>> It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
>> aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
>>
>> I am sure the she os a very nice person.

That is the carefully crafted persona Jenn wants to project.

> OK, from now on I only know you guys.

So Jenn has put a stop to her name-dropping transgressions : it's about
time.


--


Jim Smith

[James Smith]

"George M. Middius" wrote :

> Jenn said:
>
>> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
>> > > bear.
>
>> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!
>
>> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
>> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.
>
> You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".

In my opinion she intended to write "I wouldn't mind meeting you...", but
her subconscious mind sabotaged the typing of that statement (because it
would be a lie).


--


Jim Smith

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Dickie whined:

> >> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
> >> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.
> >
> > You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".
>
> In my opinion

If I want to hear your opinion, I'll give it to you.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

James Smith said:

> > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>
> By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.

So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 1:08*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)
>
> > Though I did think it was nice of Clyde to compliment me about my
> > sound reasoning and good communication skills.
>
> He offered me a "complement", but he blamed it on you.

Once someone gets soused meaningless words seem to fly freely.

Say, do you think 2pid is a souse too?

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 6:25*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 1:08*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > > > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)
>
> > > Though I did think it was nice of Clyde to compliment me about my
> > > sound reasoning and good communication skills.
>
> > He offered me a "complement", but he blamed it on you.
>
> Once someone gets soused meaningless words seem to fly freely.
>
> Say, do you think 2pid is a souse too?

No. That level of assholedness is unfettered. He's one of those guys
who should probably drink more.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > > > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > > > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)

> Say, do you think 2pid is a souse too?

Doubtful. Even though he's very undisciplined, he loves being bossed around,
especially by his preacher.

What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "George M. Middius" wrote :
>
> > Jenn said:
> >
> >> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
> >> > > bear.
> >
> >> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!
> >
> >> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
> >> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.
> >
> > You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".
>
> In my opinion she intended to write "I wouldn't mind meeting you...",

Hey! Celebrate! You got one right.

> but
> her subconscious mind sabotaged the typing of that statement (because it
> would be a lie).

I've never lied here.

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> In article >,
> "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > "George M. Middius" wrote :
> >
> > > Jenn said:
> > >
> > >> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
> > >> > > bear.
> > >
> > >> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!
> > >
> > >> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
> > >> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.
> > >
> > > You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".
> >
> > In my opinion she intended to write "I wouldn't mind meeting you...",
>
> Hey! Celebrate! You got one right.
>
> > but
> > her subconscious mind sabotaged the typing of that statement (because it
> > would be a lie).
>
> I've never lied here.

Seems odd a newcomer would re-introduce himself with accusations of
lying. It reminds me of others now absent who thought the same
accusation against Jenn was somehow justified.

Stephen

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "James Smith" > wrote:
> >
> > > "George M. Middius" wrote :
> > >
> > > > Jenn said:
> > > >
> > > >> > > Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens
> > > >> > > to
> > > >> > > bear.
> > > >
> > > >> > Meet me, you can allay your fears when you smell my breath!
> > > >
> > > >> As inviting as that is, I think that I'll pass on the smelling. I
> > > >> wouldn't find meeting you [_____?] though.
> > > >
> > > > You left out some words. My guess would be "especially rewarding".
> > >
> > > In my opinion she intended to write "I wouldn't mind meeting you...",
> >
> > Hey! Celebrate! You got one right.
> >
> > > but
> > > her subconscious mind sabotaged the typing of that statement (because it
> > > would be a lie).
> >
> > I've never lied here.
>
> Seems odd a newcomer would re-introduce himself with accusations of
> lying. It reminds me of others now absent who thought the same
> accusation against Jenn was somehow justified.
>
> Stephen

You noticed! ;-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>
> By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
>
> There are two possibilities here :
>
> A) Jenn has factual evidence to support the insinuation.
> B) It is nothing but a slur.
>
> Which is it Jenn?

It's a suspicion.
>
> Tell the truth - if you can.

When have I ever lied here?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> James Smith said:
>
> > > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
> >
> > By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
>
> So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?

He wants to get to the "meat of the issue".

[James Smith]

"George M. Middius" > wrote :

> What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.

If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
use of misinformation and propaganda.

--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" wrote :
>
> >> > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
> >> > egotistism.
> >> >
> >>
> >> No, just normal insecurities.
> >> I don't think she is a narcissist.
> >> she just comes off as a fawning sycophant.
> >> It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> >> aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
> >>
> >> I am sure the she os a very nice person.
>
> That is the carefully crafted persona Jenn wants to project.

Why don't you hop on your trike and come on over and follow me around
for awhile?

>
> > OK, from now on I only know you guys.
>
> So Jenn has put a stop to her name-dropping transgressions : it's about
> time.

I don't name drop. I told a story about a friend. Based on your
reaction, you've not had friends that you care deeply about.

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> > > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>> >
>> > By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
>>
>> So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?
>
> He wants to get to the "meat of the issue".

Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".

Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing mine?


--


Jim Smith

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote :
>>
>> > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>>
>> By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
>>
>> There are two possibilities here :
>>
>> A) Jenn has factual evidence to support the insinuation.
>> B) It is nothing but a slur.
>>
>> Which is it Jenn?
>
> It's a suspicion.

In other words : B.


--


Jim Smith

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 6:33*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > > So I wouldn't put any stock in Sacky's inability to figure out why you mock
> > > > > and deride duh-Scottie. It's far too deep for him. ;-)
> > Say, do you think 2pid is a souse too?
>
> Doubtful. Even though he's very undisciplined, he loves being bossed around,
> especially by his preacher.
>
> What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.

There's a reason for that.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 7:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> use of misinformation and propaganda.

I noticed you did the same for Arny once, little worker bee.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 4:57*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 11:54*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> > > > > "George M. Middius" wrote
>
> > > > > >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
>
> > > > > >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
>
> > > > > >> that is exaqctly who it is
>
> > > > > > I disagree quite strongly.
>
> > > > > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
> > > > > egotistism.
>
> > > > No, just normal insecurities.
> > > > I don't think she is a narcissist.
> > > > she just comes off as a *fawning sycophant.
> > > > It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> > > > aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
>
> > > > I am sure the she os a very nice person.
>
> > > OK, from now on I only know you guys.
>
> > you completely missed the point, you purposely side-stepped it
>
> What point did I "side-step"?

Not that you know certain people, but that
you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 7:42*pm, Jenn > wrote:

>
> I've never lied here.

Ok, no problem!
So, tell me where you do your lying!
Probably on your 1040, like almost everyone else.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 8:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> use of misinformation and propaganda.
>
> --
>
> Jim Smith
>

except for this, you identified the wrong queen

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 7:42*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> >
> > I've never lied here.
>
> Ok, no problem!
> So, tell me where you do your lying!

Same places other normal people do.

> Probably on your 1040, like almost everyone else.

Nope.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> There's a reason for that.

No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?

If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while.
But never Krooger.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 4:57*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 11:54*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 28, 9:41*am, "James Smith" > wrote:
> > > > > > "George M. Middius" wrote
> >
> > > > > > >> > > think about this: who is the one here who most tries to
> > > > > > >> > > make Scott "obedient". It isn't me, and it it isn't even you.
> >
> > > > > > >> > Nor is it Shhhh.
> >
> > > > > > >> that is exaqctly who it is
> >
> > > > > > > I disagree quite strongly.
> >
> > > > > > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
> > > > > > egotistism.
> >
> > > > > No, just normal insecurities.
> > > > > I don't think she is a narcissist.
> > > > > she just comes off as a *fawning sycophant.
> > > > > It probably isn't her intention, and she probably isn't
> > > > > aware of it, but that is how she comes across, at times.
> >
> > > > > I am sure the she os a very nice person.
> >
> > > > OK, from now on I only know you guys.
> >
> > > you completely missed the point, you purposely side-stepped it
> >
> > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> Not that you know certain people, but that
> you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.

I don't "fawn". I work with some people. Some of them I admire. Do
you not work with people whom you admire?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.

> > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> Not that you know certain people, but that
> you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.

Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
her sycophancy is directed.

Do you know what "politeness" means? How about "self-awareness"?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Boon said:
>
> > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
> >
> > There's a reason for that.
>
> No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?
>
> If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
> other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while.
> But never Krooger.

WHo is Dickie?

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> >> > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
>> >> > egotism.
>
> Why don't you hop on your trike and come on over and follow me around
> for awhile?

Follow you around on a trike? Jenn's bloated ego knows no bounds!

> I don't name drop.

Wrong.

>I told a story about a friend.

Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.

Close friendship!

>Based on your reaction, you've not had friends that you care deeply about.

Wrong. This is about standards, ethics and professional conduct. Would it
surprise you if one of the people you name-dropped here complained about it
in private?


--


Jim Smith

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
> > >
> > > There's a reason for that.
> >
> > No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?
> >
> > If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
> > other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while.
> > But never Krooger.
>
> WHo is Dickie?

You don't want to know.

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

> I've never lied here.

So you claim.



--


Jim Smith

[James Smith]

"MiNe 109" > wrote :

>> > In my opinion she intended to write "I wouldn't mind meeting you...",
>> > but
>> > her subconscious mind sabotaged the typing of that statement (because
>> > it
>> > would be a lie).
>>
>> I've never lied here.
>
> Seems odd a newcomer would re-introduce himself with accusations of
> lying.

I've never, here.


--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
> > > >
> > > > There's a reason for that.
> > >
> > > No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?
> > >
> > > If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
> > > other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while.
> > > But never Krooger.
> >
> > WHo is Dickie?
>
> You don't want to know.

Former poster here? Do you mean Pierce?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > I've never lied here.
>
> So you claim.

Show that I have.

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> > I've never lied here.
>>
>> So you claim.
>
> Show that I have.

Show that you have what?

--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > I've never lied here.
> >>
> >> So you claim.
> >
> > Show that I have.
>
> Show that you have what?

Reread the above. I'm fairly sure that you can figure it out.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
> >> >
> >> > By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
> >>
> >> So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?
> >
> > He wants to get to the "meat of the issue".
>
> Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".

I've learned that some people (you, for example) only seem to understand
such things.

>
> Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing mine?

I'm not discussing yours.

[James Smith]

"George M. Middius" > wrote :

> Boon said:
>
>> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
>> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>>
>> There's a reason for that.
>
> No way is it Krooger.

Marc Phillips (whilst posting under the false identity calvin coolidge,
which I exposed him for) stated that I am Arny Krueger and that this was

"...verified using software programs much more accurate than whatever Arny
used to think I was Boon. Plus he admitted it in a private email."

So there you have it. Marc "Calvin Coolidge" Phillips has rock solid proof
that I am "Krooger", or are you calling him a liar?

>Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?

You don't know how ****ed up I am, yet.


--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote :
> >>
> >> > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
> >>
> >> By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity.
> >>
> >> There are two possibilities here :
> >>
> >> A) Jenn has factual evidence to support the insinuation.
> >> B) It is nothing but a slur.
> >>
> >> Which is it Jenn?
> >
> > It's a suspicion.
>
> In other words : B.

It's a slur to suspect that you post under a pen name?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > > > If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
> > > > other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while.
> > > > But never Krooger.
> > >
> > > WHo is Dickie?
> >
> > You don't want to know.
>
> Former poster here? Do you mean Pierce?

I warned you. Dickie is the wretched Malesweski, aka tor, aka tony loban.
Also others I can't recall. Dickie is a convicted criminal, an abuser of
women, and a foul-mouthed Kroopologist.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> >> > Let's get back to the meat of the issue here: Jenn's conceit and
> >> >> > egotism.
> >
> > Why don't you hop on your trike and come on over and follow me around
> > for awhile?
>
> Follow you around on a trike? Jenn's bloated ego knows no bounds!

Suggesting that you ride your trike over here is some sign of ego?
OOOOOOOOOOK.

>
> > I don't name drop.
>
> Wrong.

I don't. When an appropriate response to a post includes the mention of
someone that I know, I mention that person.

>
> >I told a story about a friend.
>
> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.

No, many more than that. I would tell you why that's true, but it would
simply add fuel to your imaginary fire.

>
> Close friendship!
>
> >Based on your reaction, you've not had friends that you care deeply about.
>
> Wrong. This is about standards, ethics and professional conduct. Would it
> surprise you if one of the people you name-dropped here complained about it
> in private?

Let's see: IIRC, Mary Travers, Laurence Juber, and Frederick Fennell.
Yes, based on how I posted about them, it would surprise me greatly.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > > > If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn
> > > > > and
> > > > > other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a
> > > > > while.
> > > > > But never Krooger.
> > > >
> > > > WHo is Dickie?
> > >
> > > You don't want to know.
> >
> > Former poster here? Do you mean Pierce?
>
> I warned you. Dickie is the wretched Malesweski, aka tor, aka tony loban.
> Also others I can't recall. Dickie is a convicted criminal, an abuser of
> women, and a foul-mouthed Kroopologist.

Yeah, I've seen his posts elsewhere.

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?

Last time "James Smith" was around, he was baiting the trap for Arny.

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_thread/thread/a1
ce65ea5f6ba936/4f4c39d8042cd049?hl=en&q=stairs+group:rec.audio.opinion#4f
4c39d8042cd049>

Stephen

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> >> > I've never lied here.
>> >>
>> >> So you claim.
>> >
>> > Show that I have.
>>
>> Show that you have what?
>
> Reread the above. I'm fairly sure that you can figure it out.

OK. I can show that you have claimed never to have lied here through your
use of the following expression :

"I've never lied here."
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22i%27ve+never+lied+here%22+jennconducts


A liar would say something similar of course.


--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> >> > I've never lied here.
> >> >>
> >> >> So you claim.
> >> >
> >> > Show that I have.
> >>
> >> Show that you have what?
> >
> > Reread the above. I'm fairly sure that you can figure it out.
>
> OK. I can show that you have claimed never to have lied here through your
> use of the following expression :
>
> "I've never lied here."
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22i%27ve+never+lied+here%22+jennconducts
>
>
> A liar would say something similar of course.

True. So would a person who has never lied here. You might not agree,
but lying is a serious charge. If you believe that I've lied, point out
an example. If not, like Arny, you're showing that you are classless.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> her sycophancy is directed.
>


A certain Mr. Juber, for one

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
> > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
>
>
> A certain Mr. Juber, for one

lol Please provide an example of me doing so.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
> > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.

You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
to his performances,
which in reality, where woefully deficient. Then some of the [other
postsres linked us to MUCH BETTER players of
a similar style.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 7:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> use of misinformation and propaganda.

There sure are a lot of paranoid people on RAO.

Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
you?

LOL!

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> > I don't name drop.

She does.

>> >I told a story about a friend.
>>
>> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.
>
> No, many more than that.

"Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."

> Let's see: IIRC, Mary Travers, Laurence Juber, and Frederick Fennell.

Can't help yourself can you.

You've identified people using surnames. Perhaps you should share yours?

--


Jim Smith

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 7:26*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>
> >> > By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false identity..
>
> >> So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?
>
> > He wants to get to the "meat of the issue".
>
> Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".
>
> Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing mine?

They appeared to be discussing a lack thereof.

I could be wrong though. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 8:29*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> > I've never lied here.
>
> So you claim.

I love this.

Some asshole appears out of nowhere just filled with vitriol about
some alleged transgressions that don't pertain in any way to him.

LOL!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to
> > > > whom
> > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
> > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> to his performances,

Yep. He's a world class guitarist. He wins polls about acoustic
fingerstyle players all the time. If you asked 100 players of that
style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
LA studios, music, movies, and TV. He has two Grammy awards. He's the
highest selling recording artist in the genre. His instructional videos
are the highest selling. Damn slacker... To state this is not
"fawning", it's stating objective facts.

> which in reality, where woefully deficient. Then some of the [other
> postsres linked us to MUCH BETTER players of
> a similar style.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 9:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> to his performances,
> which in reality, where woefully deficient. Then some of the [other
> postsres linked us to MUCH BETTER players of
> a similar style.

What'll be tonight, Clyde? A nice single malt? A tequila fom a small
family distillery? LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 9:34*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > I don't name drop.
>
> She does.
>
> >> >I told a story about a friend.
>
> >> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.
>
> > No, many more than that.
>
> "Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."
>
> > Let's see: *IIRC, Mary Travers, Laurence Juber, and Frederick Fennell..
>
> Can't help yourself can you.
>
> You've identified people using surnames. Perhaps you should share yours?

An implication that Martin Guitars is unhappy?

They have options to deal with that if they are truly upset. LOL!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > I don't name drop.
>
> She does.
>
> >> >I told a story about a friend.
> >>
> >> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.
> >
> > No, many more than that.
>
> "Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."

We spend 5 days together professionally.

>
> > Let's see: IIRC, Mary Travers, Laurence Juber, and Frederick Fennell.
>
> Can't help yourself can you.

lol

>
> You've identified people using surnames. Perhaps you should share yours?

It's all over this group. Find it for yourself.

[GeoSynch]

Jilly, in a rare moment of self-awareness, blurted:

> I could be wrong though. LOL!

You usually are. LOLer!

[James Smith]

"Jenn" > wrote :

>> Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".
>
> I've learned that some people (you, for example) only seem to understand
> such things.

This is called "an excuse".

The purpose of an excuse is to avoid the truth.

Jenn is avoiding the truth.

>> Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing
>> mine?
>
> I'm not discussing yours.

"He wants to get to the "meat of the issue"."

Gosh, aren't you clever.

Definitely not a liar!


--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".
> >
> > I've learned that some people (you, for example) only seem to understand
> > such things.
>
> This is called "an excuse".
>
> The purpose of an excuse is to avoid the truth.
>
> Jenn is avoiding the truth.
>
> >> Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing
> >> mine?
> >
> > I'm not discussing yours.
>
> "He wants to get to the "meat of the issue"."
>
> Gosh, aren't you clever.
>
> Definitely not a liar!

A pun of sorts that I admit was difficult to resist.

[James Smith]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote :

>> >> > > Sure, "James"...whatever you say.
>>
>> >> > By employing quotes Jenn insinuates that I am using a false
>> >> > identity.
>>
>> >> So it's true you have no dick. Ironic, isn't it?
>>
>> > He wants to get to the "meat of the issue".
>>
>> Well done for lowering yourself into the gutter next to "George".
>>
>> Are we going to discuss your meat after you have finished discussing
>> mine?
>
>They appeared to be discussing a lack thereof.

If I lack "meat", Jenn and George lack both "meat" and "vegetables".


--


Jim Smith

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > her sycophancy is directed.

> A certain Mr. Juber, for one

No, that's called "praise".

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to
> > > > > whom
> > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > to his performances,
>
> Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
> LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional videos
> are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>

You told us how great he was, practically worship him, then sent us
some links to performances
'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
arrangements
that were trite and turgid.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 10:40*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 9:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:

>
> What'll be tonight, Clyde? A nice single malt? A tequila fom a small
> family distillery? LOL!

Venezuelan chocolates

[GeoSynch]

Sacky noted:

> James Smith wrote:

> > If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> > queen.

> except for this, you identified the wrong queen

Indeed, Boy George is the queen in that miscegnation of a relationship between
he and Jenn, along with that nauseating endearing reference to her he employs by
calling her "Mistress Jenn".

Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."

A "Mistress Jenn" would be more akin to a cross between the Jennifer character
on "WKRP in Cincinnati" and Julie Newmar as Catwoman in the "Batman" sitcom.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:11*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > > her sycophancy is directed.
> > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> No, that's called "praise".

fawning praise presented here.
But she is his student, she has a personal relationship with him.
She treats him with the same reverence shown here, it is sychophancy.
I am sure she has not one critical word to his face about his playing.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s)
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > whom
> > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
> > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
> >
> > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > to his performances,
> >
> > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
> > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional videos
> > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
> >
>
> You told us how great he was,

Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. Those who
hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.

> practically worship him,

WHere the hell do you get that? lol Quotes, please.

> then sent us
> some links to performances
> 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> arrangements
> that were trite and turgid.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion. Would you care to post solo
guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
enjoy more?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"GeoSynch" > wrote:

> Sacky noted:
>
> > James Smith wrote:
>
> > > If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect
> > > their
> > > queen.
>
> > except for this, you identified the wrong queen
>
> Indeed, Boy George is the queen in that miscegnation of a relationship
> between
> he and Jenn, along with that nauseating endearing reference to her he employs
> by
> calling her "Mistress Jenn".
>
> Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."
>
> A "Mistress Jenn" would be more akin to a cross between the Jennifer
> character
> on "WKRP in Cincinnati" and Julie Newmar as Catwoman in the "Batman" sitcom.

Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 11:11*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
> > Clyde Slick said:
> >
> > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to
> > > > whom
> > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > No, that's called "praise".
>
> fawning praise presented here.
> But she is his student, she has a personal relationship with him.
> She treats him with the same reverence shown here, it is sychophancy.
> I am sure she has not one critical word to his face about his playing.

Again, false. I've criticized his playing to his face on several
occasions. Obviously you don't understand how musicians interact.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky staggers to the window and claws at the fluttering moths.

> > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > No, that's called "praise".
>
> fawning praise presented here.

Without citing chapter and verse from your history of misconstruing what
other posters say on a gamut of topics, I'll just point out that your idea
of "fawning" apparently corresponds to my idea of "sincere".

> But she is his student, she has a personal relationship with him.
> She treats him with the same reverence shown here, it is sychophancy.

No such word.

> I am sure she has not one critical word to his face about his playing.

Has it crossed your besotted mind that even though you (and I) detest his
playing, Jenn actually likes and admires it?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."

> Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!

Most 50+ women who avoid frumpiness do so only at considerable effort and
expense.

If you're going to resent one of Stynchblob's verbal schmutzes, why not
start with "harridan"? It's the opposite of what duh-Sacky called you.

These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Sacky staggers to the window and claws at the fluttering moths.
>
> > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For
> > > > > those
> > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to
> > > > > whom
> > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> > >
> > > No, that's called "praise".
> >
> > fawning praise presented here.
>
> Without citing chapter and verse from your history of misconstruing what
> other posters say on a gamut of topics, I'll just point out that your idea
> of "fawning" apparently corresponds to my idea of "sincere".
>
> > But she is his student, she has a personal relationship with him.
> > She treats him with the same reverence shown here, it is sychophancy.
>
> No such word.
>
> > I am sure she has not one critical word to his face about his playing.
>
> Has it crossed your besotted mind that even though you (and I) detest his
> playing, Jenn actually likes and admires it?

Perhaps this would be more to your tastes: Let it Be, the solo starts
about 2 min in. (Some other interesting people on stage as well)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65FaaOlziu8

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 10:14*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to
> > > > > > whom
> > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > to his performances,
>
> > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
> > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional videos
> > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>
> You told us how great he was, practically worship him, then sent us
> some links to performances
> 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> arrangements
> that were trite and turgid.

Um, Clyde?

Don't give up your day job. Your "career" as a music critic is already
over. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 10:15*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:40*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 9:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > What'll be tonight, Clyde? A nice single malt? A tequila fom a small
> > family distillery? LOL!
>
> Venezuelan chocolates

Washed down by bucketloads of cheap sparkling wine?

Whatever floats your bladder.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."
>
> > Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!
>
> Most 50+ women who avoid frumpiness do so only at considerable effort and
> expense.
>
> If you're going to resent one of Stynchblob's verbal schmutzes, why not
> start with "harridan"? It's the opposite of what duh-Sacky called you.
>
> These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.

The people who seem to like speaking against me here: Arny, Scott, Geo,
James. I'll take that.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 9:47*pm, "GeoSynch" > wrote:
> Jilly, in a rare moment of self-awareness, blurted:
>
> > I could be wrong though. LOL!
>
> You usually are. LOLer!

(Jism, smegma, etc.)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> The people who seem to like speaking against me here: Arny, Scott, Geo,
> James. I'll take that.

Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
the pooch is at the funeral.

That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch
> > > is
> > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
> >
> > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > James. I'll take that.
>
> Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.

You could well be correct. I have been known to "give back" at times as
well, but always in response. I'm far from perfect, but also far from
aggressive.

[James Smith]

"Jennifer Martin" > wrote :

>> >> > I don't name drop.
>>
>> She does.
>>
>> >> >I told a story about a friend.
>> >>
>> >> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.
>> >
>> > No, many more than that.
>>
>> "Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."
>
> We spend 5 days together professionally.

Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
some old banjo player who called in sick.




--


Jim Smith

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"James Smith" > wrote:

> "Jennifer Martin" > wrote :
>
> >> >> > I don't name drop.
> >>
> >> She does.
> >>
> >> >> >I told a story about a friend.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her.
> >> >
> >> > No, many more than that.
> >>
> >> "Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."
> >
> > We spend 5 days together professionally.
>
> Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> some old banjo player who called in sick.

Yep, those were our professional dates. There were about 24 other days
together in CT, CA, and NV. Plus about 100 pages of emails and several
phone calls. Anything else you would like to know?

[GeoSynch]

Jenn took umbrage:

>> Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."

> Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!

Here ya go, toots!
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jzfexqu5ld0e

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"GeoSynch" > wrote:

> Jenn took umbrage:
>
> >> Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."
>
> > Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!
>
> Here ya go, toots!
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jzfexqu5ld0e

lol

[GeoSynch]

The MidYut moped:

>> > Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."

>> Hey! Frumpy? Please post a pic of yourself!

> Most 50+ women who avoid frumpiness do so only at considerable effort and
> expense.

Just goes to show you, 'lil Georgie, that even among middle-aged old dykes
vanity still reigns supreme.

[GeoSynch]

Jilly drooled:

>> > I could be wrong though. LOL!

> > You usually are. LOLer!

> (Jism, smegma, etc.)

Typed the Blowjob Queen as she licked her lips.

[GeoSynch]

Jenn offered:

> Anything else you would like to know?

Yeah, did Mary prefer Mounds or Almond Joy?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 11:15*pm, "GeoSynch" > wrote:
> Jilly drooled:
>
> >> > I could be wrong though. LOL!
> > > You usually are. LOLer!
> > (Jism, smegma, etc.)
>
> Typed the Blowjob Queen as she licked her lips.

(Jism, smegma, etc.)

You have found a like-'minded' individual in Jim. Enjoy his company!
He is, perhaps, more open to your amorous advances.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:

> Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> some old banjo player who called in sick.

You sound jealous.

A PP&M fan, perhaps?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 28, 10:44*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience..
> > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > James. *I'll take that.
>
> Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.

The other option that comes to mind is that they are like the
schoolyard bully who gets popped in the kisser. They always run home
crying to mommy. Since their real mothers (if they knew who they were)
probably disowned them years ago, Jenn serves as their surrogate.

The anger likely comes from being abandoned as children.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> > then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> > some old banjo player who called in sick.
>
> You sound jealous.
>
> A PP&M fan, perhaps?

It amazes me how some can so easily discount and dismiss the talents and
achievements of someone like Paul Prestopino ("some old banjo player").
Presto was the sideman for the famous folkies The Chad Mitchell Trio,
John Denver (if one thinks of JD as a folkie), then PP&M. As great
multi-instrument folk sidemen go, there are really only three people in
the conversation: Pete Huttlinger, Eric Weissberg, and Presto.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >,
> > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s)
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > > to his performances,
>
> > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
> > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional videos
> > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>
> > You told us how great he was,
>
> Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
>
> > practically worship him,
>
> WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
>
> > then sent us
> > some links to performances
> > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > arrangements
> > that were trite and turgid.
>
> Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> enjoy more?

LOL!!! You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
your constricted criteria. However, as a musical performance, compared
to
untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
similarly, they were unimpressed.

Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
you appear to be quite fawning at times.
I never here anything comparative form you.
Everybody you know, every miusicina you
have come across is so excellent and perfect and
\so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
'a person of limited discernment.

Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
music as he does, playiong the insipid
arrangekemnts he plays.
He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:24*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Sacky staggers to the window and claws at the fluttering moths.
>
> > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For those
> > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s) to whom
> > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > No, that's called "praise".
>
> > fawning praise presented here.
>
> Without citing chapter and verse from your history of misconstruing what
> other posters say on a gamut of topics, I'll just point out that your idea
> of "fawning" apparently corresponds to my idea of "sincere".
>
> > But she is his student, she has a personal relationship with him.
> > She treats him with the same reverence shown here, it is sychophancy.
>
> No such word.
>
> > I am sure she has not one critical word to his face about his playing.
>
> Has it crossed your besotted mind that even though you (and I) detest his
> playing, Jenn actually likes and admires it?

I really didn't want to consider that, because doing
so would lower my estimation of her.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:33*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:15*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 28, 10:40*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Sep 28, 9:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > What'll be tonight, Clyde? A nice single malt? A tequila fom a small
> > > family distillery? LOL!
>
> > Venezuelan chocolates
>
> Washed down by bucketloads of cheap sparkling wine?
>
> Whatever floats your bladder.

A good Merlot

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:33*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *George M. Middius > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > > Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."
>
> > > Hey! *Frumpy? *Please post a pic of yourself!
>
> > Most 50+ women who avoid frumpiness do so only at considerable effort and
> > expense.
>
> > If you're going to resent one of Stynchblob's verbal schmutzes, why not
> > start with "harridan"? It's the opposite of what duh-Sacky called you.
>
> > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> James. *I'll take that.

LOL!!!
You are not on my enemies list.
I am not speaking against "you"/
I am criticizing one aspect of your presentation here.
I have been careful to frame my discussion
as to your presentation or appearance here, not as
to the inner core of your being, which i have no problem with.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:44*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience..
> > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > James. *I'll take that.
>
> Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.


right, criticize one woman its mysogeny (unless that woman is'
Palin) criticize one black man, and its racism.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 28, 11:46*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *George M. Middius > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch
> > > > is
> > > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> > > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > > James. *I'll take that.
>
> > Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> > the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> > That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> > broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> > so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> > without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.
>
> You could well be correct. *I have been known to "give back" at times as
> well, but always in response. *I'm far from perfect, but also far from
> aggressive.

He is not correct about me. And I don;t believe that
you are agressive. I do think that you
are insecure, to some degree.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 12:22*am, "GeoSynch" > wrote:
> Jenn offered:
>
> > Anything else you would like to know?
>
> Yeah, did Mary prefer Mounds or Almond Joy?

Probably Mounds

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 1:00*am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> > > then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> > > some old banjo player who called in sick.
>
> > You sound jealous.
>
> > A PP&M fan, perhaps?
>
> It amazes me how some can so easily discount and dismiss the talents and
> achievements of someone like Paul Prestopino ("some old banjo player"). *
> Presto was the sideman for the famous folkies The Chad Mitchell Trio,
> John Denver (if one thinks of JD as a folkie), then PP&M. *As great *
> multi-instrument folk sidemen go, there are really only three people in
> the conversation: *Pete Huttlinger, Eric Weissberg, and Presto.

You're fawning again!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 1:42*am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:00*am, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > *"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > > Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> > > > then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> > > > some old banjo player who called in sick.
>
> > > You sound jealous.
>
> > > A PP&M fan, perhaps?
>
> > It amazes me how some can so easily discount and dismiss the talents and
> > achievements of someone like Paul Prestopino ("some old banjo player"). *
> > Presto was the sideman for the famous folkies The Chad Mitchell Trio,
> > John Denver (if one thinks of JD as a folkie), then PP&M. *As great *
> > multi-instrument folk sidemen go, there are really only three people in
> > the conversation: *Pete Huttlinger, Eric Weissberg, and Presto.
>
> You're fawning again!

I hope it's a good merlot, but your posting is showing the ravages of
the Mad Dog 20/20 you drank in your youth. :-(

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 11:33*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *George M. Middius > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jenn said:
> >
> > > > > Imagine that! A frumpy old harridan like her as "Mistress Jenn."
> >
> > > > Hey! *Frumpy? *Please post a pic of yourself!
> >
> > > Most 50+ women who avoid frumpiness do so only at considerable effort and
> > > expense.
> >
> > > If you're going to resent one of Stynchblob's verbal schmutzes, why not
> > > start with "harridan"? It's the opposite of what duh-Sacky called you.
> >
> > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch
> > > is
> > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
> >
> > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > James. *I'll take that.
>
> LOL!!!
> You are not on my enemies list.
> I am not speaking against "you"/
> I am criticizing one aspect of your presentation here.
> I have been careful to frame my discussion
> as to your presentation or appearance here, not as
> to the inner core of your being, which i have no problem with.

I know. I've not been critical of what you say to me.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 1:00*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> >
> > > > Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> > > > then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> > > > some old banjo player who called in sick.
> >
> > > You sound jealous.
> >
> > > A PP&M fan, perhaps?
> >
> > It amazes me how some can so easily discount and dismiss the talents and
> > achievements of someone like Paul Prestopino ("some old banjo player"). *
> > Presto was the sideman for the famous folkies The Chad Mitchell Trio,
> > John Denver (if one thinks of JD as a folkie), then PP&M. *As great *
> > multi-instrument folk sidemen go, there are really only three people in
> > the conversation: *Pete Huttlinger, Eric Weissberg, and Presto.
>
> You're fawning again!

lol OK, those guys suck.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >,
> > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means.
> > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the
> > > > > > > > individual(s)
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
> > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
> >
> > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > > > to his performances,
> >
> > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in
> > > > the
> > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional
> > > > videos
> > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
> >
> > > You told us how great he was,
> >
> > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
> >
> > > practically worship him,
> >
> > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
> >
> > > then sent us
> > > some links to performances
> > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > arrangements
> > > that were trite and turgid.
> >
> > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> > enjoy more?
>
> LOL!!! You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> your constricted criteria.

Those were the tunes that I posted, IIRC, so I thought that you might
know solo recordings of them that you liked better. Let's widen it: Do
you like any solo acoustic guitar recordings? If so, what are they?
It's possible that you don't like the entire genre, and that's fine.
It's a niche market to be sure.

> However, as a musical performance, compared
> to
> untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> similarly, they were unimpressed.

Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.

>
> Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> I never here anything comparative form you.
> Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> 'a person of limited discernment.

Oh, I could speak negatively about any number of people that I know and
work with. I just don't see the point of doing that. I would only
bring them up BECAUSE they have impressed me, and in the context of some
discussion here. I posted about Mary in response to someone else. Her
death touched me deeply, and I thought that it might be of interest to
some here to hear from someone who knew her. I posed about LJ because
of the sound of his self-produced recordings. I posted about Fred
because he conducted recordings that audio people "fawn over" in regards
to the sound. He was my mentor and I therefore have a unique view of
him compared to others here. I could post areas of disagreement that I
have with each of those people, but what's the point? I suspect that if
I did that, some loon would say, "Who are YOU to criticize another
artist?"

>
> Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> music as he does, playiong the insipid
> arrangekemnts he plays.
> He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.

Who do you like more?

> It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > to
> > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.

Others found it above average, brilliant, moving and engaging.

There did seem to be a correlation between years of musical training and
level of appreciation for the arrangements.

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 10:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:

> > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
>
> Who do you like more?

Jenn, I think Clyde uses the word "obviously" in the same context that
2pid does: "I have no clue but if I make an absolute statement perhaps
someone will believe me."

Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
before he'd believe it.

He only knows if he likes something. If he doesn't like it it can't be
world-class.

IOW, give Clyde's opinion all of the consideration it's due. :-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 10:32*am, MiNe 109 > wrote:

> *Jenn > wrote:
> > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > to
> > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
>
> Others found it above average, brilliant, moving and engaging.
>
> There did seem to be a correlation between years of musical training and
> level of appreciation for the arrangements.

I also have a deep appreciation for the technical aspects. That dude
got massive chops. World-class chops. ;-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > to
> > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
> >
> > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
>
> Others found it above average, brilliant, moving and engaging.
>
> There did seem to be a correlation between years of musical training and
> level of appreciation for the arrangements.
>
> Stephen

Indeed. It IS very much a niche market. One of my concerns about it is
that we tend to play mostly for other guitarists. Most of us during our
audience banter (used mostly to cover tuning!) ask how many guitarists
there are in the audience. Very often, it's a majority of the audience.
Recordings sell in the thousands (by the great players), not the
millions. About half of our concerts take place in music stores,
seating 50-200. It's kind of a "coffeehouse" genre. Most of us play
something "flashy" and difficult in our sets because some audience
people expect that, but the majority of what we play is about getting
great tone; we obsess about that. A major part of the conversations
between us concerns what wood sounds like such-and-such, what builders
we like, string gauges, etc. We resemble orchestral string players in
this way.

Here are some videos of some SOTA players of the genre. Some I know
well, others I've only met and others I've not met at all:

Doug Smith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsUUC4yKn8

Ed Gerhard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf4AEHxH0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUQg5ln6W_U

Tony McManus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi4ZYETa84

Al Petteway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5x_qIn7CY&feature=related
(if you are watching the PBS National Parks series, you hear this
several times)

Andy McKee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec

Tommy Emmanuel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zPXtaGTQs

Pete Huttlinger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MOAzcuwtcU

Laurence Juber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7P4WXswTUI&feature=related

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 11:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >,
> > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means.
> > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the
> > > > > > > > > individual(s)
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > > > > to his performances,
>
> > > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in
> > > > > the
> > > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional
> > > > > videos
> > > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>
> > > > You told us how great he was,
>
> > > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> > > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
>
> > > > practically worship him,
>
> > > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
>
> > > > then sent us
> > > > some links to performances
> > > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > > arrangements
> > > > that were trite and turgid.
>
> > > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> > > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> > > enjoy more?
>
> > LOL!!! *You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> > of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> > your constricted criteria.
>
> Those were the tunes that I posted, IIRC, so I thought that you might
> know solo recordings of them that you liked better. *Let's widen it: *Do
> you like any solo acoustic guitar recordings? *If so, what are they? *
> It's possible that you don't like the entire genre, and that's fine. *
> It's a niche market to be sure.
>
> > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > to
> > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
>
>
>
> > Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> > I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> > ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> > personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> > you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> > I never here anything comparative form you.
> > Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> > have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> > \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> > a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> > Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> > 'a person of limited discernment.
>
> Oh, I could speak negatively about any number of people that I know and
> work with. *I just don't see the point of doing that. *I would only
> bring them up BECAUSE they have impressed me, and in the context of some
> discussion here. *I posted about Mary in response to someone else. *Her
> death touched me deeply, and I thought that it might be of interest to
> some here to hear from someone who knew her. *I posed about LJ because
> of the sound of his self-produced recordings. *I posted about Fred
> because he conducted recordings that audio people "fawn over" in regards
> to the sound. *He was my mentor and I therefore have a unique view of
> him compared to others here. *I could post areas of disagreement that I
> have with each of those people, but what's the point? *I suspect that if
> I did that, some loon would say, "Who are YOU to criticize another
> artist?" *
>
>
>
> > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
>
> Who do you like more?
>
> > It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.

At the tiem, soomebidy (maybe Steve???) posted youtube
links to some better oens, i forgot who0 they were/

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 8:11*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Boon said:
>
> > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> > There's a reason for that.
>
> No way is it Krooger. Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?

I agree with you there, but the last time I called him out on it,
there were repercussions. Jimmy might be the rarest of birds, an
actual friend of Krooger in real life. I found Arny's Facebook face,
and he actually has friends. (Although most of them appear to be
family.) Oh, and I saw a pic of the lovely Susan. You wouldn't believe
the sadness in her eyes.

>
> If it's not Dickie, it's somebody else who has a grudge against Jenn and
> other Normals. Could be Stynchie or someone who's been absent for a while..
> But never Krooger.

Dickie, Tony, Stynchie...a thousand whiny bitches with the same typing
finger.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 8:37*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote :
>
> >> > I've never lied here.
>
> >> So you claim.
>
> > Show that I have.
>
> Show that you have what?

If you employ the debating trade, you can be easily destroyed.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 9:01*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > Boon said:
>
> >> > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> >> > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> >> There's a reason for that.
>
> > No way is it Krooger.
>
> Marc Phillips (whilst posting under the false identity calvin coolidge,
> which I exposed him for) stated that I am Arny Krueger and that this was
>
> "...verified using software programs much more accurate than whatever Arny
> used to think I was Boon. Plus he admitted it in a private email."
>
> So there you have it. Marc "Calvin Coolidge" Phillips has rock solid proof
> that I am "Krooger", or are you calling him a liar?
>
> >Have you forgotten how ****ed up Turdborg is?
>
> You don't know how ****ed up I am, yet.

Ah, threats. Very easy to deal with on live.com.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 9:33*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 7:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> > If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> > queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> > use of misinformation and propaganda.
>
> There sure are a lot of paranoid people on RAO.
>
> Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
> you?
>
> LOL!

Um...I think you've hit the nail on the head again.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 10:44*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch is
> > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience..
> > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > James. *I'll take that.
>
> Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.

I would have to agree wholeheartedly. It's hard to believe that this
type of anger comes from men who have meaningful interpersonal
relationships. The posting behaviors of people like PLF and Jimmy
reflect men who are bitter, alone and disgusted with the world (aka as
their failures within that world). The posting behaviors of married
people like Scott and Arny suggest that the relationship has
degenerated and there is no longer any real communication and intimacy
going on. Again, happy and fulfilled partners in a romantic union are
not lashing out at the world in this manner.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 10:46*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *George M. Middius > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an utterly
> > > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a pooch
> > > > is
> > > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's absolutely
> > > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward women in
> > > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of convenience.
> > > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a "No
> > > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
>
> > > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott, Geo,
> > > James. *I'll take that.
>
> > Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station while
> > the pooch is at the funeral.
>
> > That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> > broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after you
> > so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on them
> > without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.
>
> You could well be correct. *I have been known to "give back" at times as
> well, but always in response. *I'm far from perfect, but also far from
> aggressive.

I have to admit that I'm in awe of your patience on this forum. No one
(of reasonable intelligence) would have blamed you for leaving long
ago. For the record, I think Art's comments in this thread are
disappointing.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 28, 10:47*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
> "Jennifer Martin" > wrote :
>
> >> >> > I don't name drop.
>
> >> She does.
>
> >> >> >I told a story about a friend.
>
> >> >> Mary lived 26,000 days give or take. You shared 5 of these with her..
>
> >> > No, many more than that.
>
> >> "Mary was a friend, though we spent only 5 days together."
>
> > We spend 5 days together professionally.
>
> Yes, 5 days together that's what you said. One when you jammed for a bit
> then went shopping (good anecdote), four tour dates where you subbed for
> some old banjo player who called in sick.

So you have transcripts of their conversations? You are able to
interpret the relative depth and/or superficiality of these exchanges?

If not, you're just engaging in Usenet masturbation.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 1:30*am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >,
> > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant" means. For
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the individual(s)
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted links
> > > > > to his performances,
>
> > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them would
> > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist in the
> > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's the
> > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional videos
> > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>
> > > You told us how great he was,
>
> > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
>
> > > practically worship him,
>
> > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
>
> > > then sent us
> > > some links to performances
> > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > arrangements
> > > that were trite and turgid.
>
> > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> > enjoy more?
>
> LOL!!! *You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> your constricted criteria. However, as a musical performance, compared
> to
> untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> I never here anything comparative form you.
> Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> 'a person of limited discernment.
>
> Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> music as he does, playiong the insipid
> arrangekemnts he plays.
> He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
> It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.

I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
> > you?

> Um...I think you've hit the nail on the head again.

The anomaly about Dickie is that he's not a moronic "conservative".

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> Here are some videos of some SOTA players of the genre. Some I know
> well, others I've only met and others I've not met at all:
>
> Doug Smith:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsUUC4yKn8
>
> Ed Gerhard:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf4AEHxH0o
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUQg5ln6W_U
>
> Tony McManus:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi4ZYETa84
>
> Al Petteway:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5x_qIn7CY&feature=related
> (if you are watching the PBS National Parks series, you hear this
> several times)
>
> Andy McKee:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec
>
> Tommy Emmanuel:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zPXtaGTQs
>
> Pete Huttlinger:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MOAzcuwtcU
>
> Laurence Juber:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7P4WXswTUI&feature=related

Thanks! This made my afternoon more pleasant.

Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
Boon > wrote:

>
> I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.

Amen.

Stephen

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 4:35*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Boon said:
>
> > > Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
> > > you?
> > Um...I think you've hit the nail on the head again.
>
> The anomaly about Dickie is that he's not a moronic "conservative".

Yeah, he's a pot-bellied hippie bike repairman who still lives at home
with his elderly parents in the Ozarks. What a winner he turned out to
be.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > The anomaly about Dickie is that he's not a moronic "conservative".
>
> Yeah, he's a pot-bellied hippie bike repairman who still lives at home
> with his elderly parents in the Ozarks. What a winner he turned out to
> be.

Yeah, but we still can't kick him off the team. One nerd, one vote.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 5:30*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Boon said:
>
> > > The anomaly about Dickie is that he's not a moronic "conservative".
>
> > Yeah, he's a pot-bellied hippie bike repairman who still lives at home
> > with his elderly parents in the Ozarks. What a winner he turned out to
> > be.
>
> Yeah, but we still can't kick him off the team. One nerd, one vote.

Dammit.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 11:43*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
>
> > Who do you like more?
>
> Jenn, I think Clyde uses the word "obviously" in the same context that
> 2pid does: "I have no clue but if I make an absolute statement perhaps
> someone will believe me."
>
> Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> before he'd believe it.
>
> He only knows if he likes something. If he doesn't like it it can't be
> world-class.
>
> IOW, give Clyde's opinion all of the consideration it's due. :-)

Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
might mean. I have seen much better.
He is competent, but not musical.
Htere were others posting here at that time who agreed.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 5:17*pm, Boon > wrote:

>
> I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.

So, what is your opinion of Scott's musical p[references?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

duh-Sacky bleated:

> > Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> > recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> > to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> > before he'd believe it.

> Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
> might mean. I have seen much better.
> He is competent, but not musical.

duh... The praise being directed at Juber relates to the way he plays, not
what he plays. Do you remember when Jenn said she recognizes that I write
well? Scottie blew a doggie-fuse. It was beyond his limited intellect that
somebody could do something well and still not deliver pleasure to all who
observe it. This is very much the same distinction. Jenn explained in detail
that Juber, like the other technical virtuosos, usually play to the
expectations of a niche audience.

Your empty judgment is not relevant to the performances on youtube. If and
when Juber were to play to a large, general-interest audience, your
standards of evaluating musicianship might be pertinent.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 7:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:17*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> > between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.
>
> So, what is your opinion of Scott's musical p[references?

I'm not a big prog rock fan.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Boon > wrote:

> On Sep 28, 10:46*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *George M. Middius > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jenn said:
> >
> > > > > These troglodytes who make vapid accusations against you have an
> > > > > utterly
> > > > > transparent agenda. It's easier to argue that me calling Scottie a
> > > > > pooch
> > > > > is
> > > > > a "lie" than to substantiate that accusation against you. It's
> > > > > absolutely
> > > > > clear that the parade of pigs are wallowing in resentment toward
> > > > > women in
> > > > > general and directing their vitriol at you as a target of
> > > > > convenience.
> > > > > Either that, or they're prepubescent boys who are trying to put up a
> > > > > "No
> > > > > Gurls" sign on the clubhouse door.
> >
> > > > The people who seem to like speaking against me here: *Arny, Scott,
> > > > Geo,
> > > > James. *I'll take that.
> >
> > > Don't forget Sacky. It's an item in his brief to man Witless's station
> > > while
> > > the pooch is at the funeral.
> >
> > > That bunch, plus a couple others, also hate me and Shhhh and Marc. From a
> > > broader perspective, doesn't it strike you as bizarre that they go after
> > > you
> > > so viciously even though you're mild of manner? The rest of us dump on
> > > them
> > > without reserve. That's why I believe their common bond is misogyny.
> >
> > You could well be correct. *I have been known to "give back" at times as
> > well, but always in response. *I'm far from perfect, but also far from
> > aggressive.
>
> I have to admit that I'm in awe of your patience on this forum. No one
> (of reasonable intelligence) would have blamed you for leaving long
> ago. For the record, I think Art's comments in this thread are
> disappointing.

Thanks.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 11:43*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 10:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> > > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
> >
> > > Who do you like more?
> >
> > Jenn, I think Clyde uses the word "obviously" in the same context that
> > 2pid does: "I have no clue but if I make an absolute statement perhaps
> > someone will believe me."
> >
> > Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> > recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> > to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> > before he'd believe it.
> >
> > He only knows if he likes something. If he doesn't like it it can't be
> > world-class.
> >
> > IOW, give Clyde's opinion all of the consideration it's due. :-)
>
> Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
> might mean. I have seen much better.
> He is competent, but not musical.
> Htere were others posting here at that time who agreed.

Thanks for your opinion. I suppose that the Hollywood contractors are
simply wrong.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > Here are some videos of some SOTA players of the genre. Some I know
> > well, others I've only met and others I've not met at all:
> >
> > Doug Smith:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsUUC4yKn8
> >
> > Ed Gerhard:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf4AEHxH0o
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUQg5ln6W_U
> >
> > Tony McManus:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi4ZYETa84
> >
> > Al Petteway:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5x_qIn7CY&feature=related
> > (if you are watching the PBS National Parks series, you hear this
> > several times)
> >
> > Andy McKee:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec
> >
> > Tommy Emmanuel:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zPXtaGTQs
> >
> > Pete Huttlinger:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MOAzcuwtcU
> >
> > Laurence Juber:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7P4WXswTUI&feature=related
>
> Thanks! This made my afternoon more pleasant.
>
> Stephen

My pleasure.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 11:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >,
> > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant"
> > > > > > > > > > means.
> > > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the
> > > > > > > > > > individual(s)
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
> > > > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > > > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
> >
> > > > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted
> > > > > > > links
> > > > > > > to his performances,
> >
> > > > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional
> > > > > > videos
> > > > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
> >
> > > > > You told us how great he was,
> >
> > > > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> > > > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
> >
> > > > > practically worship him,
> >
> > > > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
> >
> > > > > then sent us
> > > > > some links to performances
> > > > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > > > arrangements
> > > > > that were trite and turgid.
> >
> > > > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> > > > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> > > > enjoy more?
> >
> > > LOL!!! *You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> > > of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> > > your constricted criteria.
> >
> > Those were the tunes that I posted, IIRC, so I thought that you might
> > know solo recordings of them that you liked better. *Let's widen it: *Do
> > you like any solo acoustic guitar recordings? *If so, what are they? *
> > It's possible that you don't like the entire genre, and that's fine. *
> > It's a niche market to be sure.
> >
> > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > to
> > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
> >
> > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> > > I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> > > ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> > > personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> > > you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> > > I never here anything comparative form you.
> > > Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> > > have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> > > \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> > > a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> > > Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> > > 'a person of limited discernment.
> >
> > Oh, I could speak negatively about any number of people that I know and
> > work with. *I just don't see the point of doing that. *I would only
> > bring them up BECAUSE they have impressed me, and in the context of some
> > discussion here. *I posted about Mary in response to someone else. *Her
> > death touched me deeply, and I thought that it might be of interest to
> > some here to hear from someone who knew her. *I posed about LJ because
> > of the sound of his self-produced recordings. *I posted about Fred
> > because he conducted recordings that audio people "fawn over" in regards
> > to the sound. *He was my mentor and I therefore have a unique view of
> > him compared to others here. *I could post areas of disagreement that I
> > have with each of those people, but what's the point? *I suspect that if
> > I did that, some loon would say, "Who are YOU to criticize another
> > artist?" *
> >
> >
> >
> > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
> >
> > Who do you like more?
> >
> > > It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.
>
> At the tiem, soomebidy (maybe Steve???) posted youtube
> links to some better oens, i forgot who0 they were/

All I remember is a performance which:
1. Wasn't acoustic
2. Wasn't fingerstyle
3. Wasn't solo

Otherwise it was a perfect comparison.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 8:32*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> duh-Sacky bleated:
>
> > > Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> > > recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> > > to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> > > before he'd believe it.
> > Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
> > might mean. I have seen much better.
> > He is competent, but not musical.
>
> duh... The praise being directed at Juber relates to the way he plays, not
> what he plays. Do you remember when Jenn said she recognizes that I write
> well? Scottie blew a doggie-fuse. It was beyond his limited intellect that
> somebody could do something well and still not deliver pleasure to all who
> observe it. This is very much the same distinction. Jenn explained in detail
> that Juber, like the other technical virtuosos, usually play to the
> expectations of a niche audience.
>

a bunch of masturbaters.
What you are doing is adoring a carpenter for his
technique in driving nails, though the wall he just built was crooked.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 8:57*pm, Boon > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 7:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 29, 5:17*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
> > > I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> > > between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.
>
> > So, what is your opinion of Scott's musical p[references?
>
> I'm not a big prog rock fan.

me neither.

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 9:27*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 29, 11:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >,
> > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant"
> > > > > > > > > > > means.
> > > > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the
> > > > > > > > > > > individual(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
>
> > > > > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
>
> > > > > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
>
> > > > > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then posted
> > > > > > > > links
> > > > > > > > to his performances,
>
> > > > > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about acoustic
> > > > > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of that
> > > > > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of them
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio guitarist
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards. *He's
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His instructional
> > > > > > > videos
> > > > > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
>
> > > > > > You told us how great he was,
>
> > > > > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those who
> > > > > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
>
> > > > > > practically worship him,
>
> > > > > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
>
> > > > > > then sent us
> > > > > > some links to performances
> > > > > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > > > > arrangements
> > > > > > that were trite and turgid.
>
> > > > > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post solo
> > > > > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that you
> > > > > enjoy more?
>
> > > > LOL!!! *You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> > > > of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> > > > your constricted criteria.
>
> > > Those were the tunes that I posted, IIRC, so I thought that you might
> > > know solo recordings of them that you liked better. *Let's widen it: *Do
> > > you like any solo acoustic guitar recordings? *If so, what are they? *
> > > It's possible that you don't like the entire genre, and that's fine. *
> > > It's a niche market to be sure.
>
> > > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > > to
> > > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> > > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
>
> > > > Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> > > > I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> > > > ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> > > > personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> > > > you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> > > > I never here anything comparative form you.
> > > > Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> > > > have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> > > > \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> > > > a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> > > > Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> > > > 'a person of limited discernment.
>
> > > Oh, I could speak negatively about any number of people that I know and
> > > work with. *I just don't see the point of doing that. *I would only
> > > bring them up BECAUSE they have impressed me, and in the context of some
> > > discussion here. *I posted about Mary in response to someone else. *Her
> > > death touched me deeply, and I thought that it might be of interest to
> > > some here to hear from someone who knew her. *I posed about LJ because
> > > of the sound of his self-produced recordings. *I posted about Fred
> > > because he conducted recordings that audio people "fawn over" in regards
> > > to the sound. *He was my mentor and I therefore have a unique view of
> > > him compared to others here. *I could post areas of disagreement that I
> > > have with each of those people, but what's the point? *I suspect that if
> > > I did that, some loon would say, "Who are YOU to criticize another
> > > artist?" *
>
> > > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
>
> > > Who do you like more?
>
> > > > It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.
>
> > At the tiem, soomebidy (maybe Steve???) posted youtube
> > links to some better oens, i forgot who0 they were/
>
> All I remember is a performance which:
> 1. *Wasn't acoustic
> 2. *Wasn't fingerstyle
> 3. *Wasn't solo
>
> Otherwise it was a perfect comparison.

No, I remember seeing acoustic, solo, fingerpicking vids

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion. I suppose that the Hollywood contractors are
> simply wrong.

Not to mention a former Beatle.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 12:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *MiNe 109 * > wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> >
> > >,
> > *Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > > to
> > > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
>
> > > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
>
> > Others found it above average, brilliant, moving and engaging.
>
> > There did seem to be a correlation between years of musical training and
> > level of appreciation for the arrangements.
>
> > Stephen
>
> Indeed. *It IS very much a niche market. *One of my concerns about it is
> that we tend to play mostly for other guitarists. *Most of us during our
> audience banter (used mostly to cover tuning!) ask how many guitarists
> there are in the audience. *Very often, it's a majority of the audience.. *
> Recordings sell in the thousands (by the great players), not the
> millions. *About half of our concerts take place in music stores,
> seating 50-200. *It's kind of a "coffeehouse" genre. *Most of us play
> something "flashy" and difficult in our sets because some audience
> people expect that, but the majority of what we play is about getting
> great tone; we obsess about that. *A major part of the conversations
> between us concerns what wood sounds like such-and-such, what builders
> we like, string gauges, etc. *We resemble orchestral string players in
> this way.
>
> Here are some videos of some SOTA players of the genre. *Some I know
> well, others I've only met and others I've not met at all:
>
> Doug Smith:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsUUC4yKn8

Very good
I like it
>
> Ed Gerhard:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf4AEHxH0o
>

Very good
I like it
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUQg5ln6W_U
>

not as compelling as the other song

> Tony McManus:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi4ZYETa84

ok, a little uninteresting

>
> Al Petteway:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5x_qIn7CY&feature=related
> (if you are watching the PBS National Parks series, you hear this
> several times)
>


Very nice
> Andy McKee:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec
>
Uninterestint

> Tommy Emmanuel:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zPXtaGTQs
>
WOW!!! Gosebumps!!


> Pete Huttlinger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MOAzcuwtcU
>

Good, does the thumbpick disqualify him form this category?

> Laurence Juber:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
>


Loud, in your face, marches on like a relentless soldier, no
musicality
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7P4WXswTUI&feature=related

Better than above, more varied dynamics, feelings at time, but still
not enjoyable
loud, obnoxious and in your face.


Jenn, not everything is equally excellent

My order of preference is
Tommy Emanuel
Doug Smith']
Ed Gerhard
Al Petteway
Pete Huttinger
Tony McManus
Lawrence Juber
Andy Mc Keee

Your attitude reminds me
of President Obama's remarks on AMerican exceptionalism.
He believes in it as much as he believes in British Exceptionalism,
French
Exceptionalism, German Exceptionalism, Riussian Eceptionalism and as
far as I know, Botswanan
exceptionalism
]We are all "Equally Exceptional!!!!!!
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 12:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *MiNe 109 * > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article
> > >
> > > >,
> > > *Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > > > to
> > > > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
> >
> > > > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
> >
> > > Others found it above average, brilliant, moving and engaging.
> >
> > > There did seem to be a correlation between years of musical training and
> > > level of appreciation for the arrangements.
> >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > Indeed. *It IS very much a niche market. *One of my concerns about it is
> > that we tend to play mostly for other guitarists. *Most of us during our
> > audience banter (used mostly to cover tuning!) ask how many guitarists
> > there are in the audience. *Very often, it's a majority of the audience. *
> > Recordings sell in the thousands (by the great players), not the
> > millions. *About half of our concerts take place in music stores,
> > seating 50-200. *It's kind of a "coffeehouse" genre. *Most of us play
> > something "flashy" and difficult in our sets because some audience
> > people expect that, but the majority of what we play is about getting
> > great tone; we obsess about that. *A major part of the conversations
> > between us concerns what wood sounds like such-and-such, what builders
> > we like, string gauges, etc. *We resemble orchestral string players in
> > this way.
> >
> > Here are some videos of some SOTA players of the genre. *Some I know
> > well, others I've only met and others I've not met at all:
> >
> > Doug Smith:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsUUC4yKn8
>
> Very good
> I like it

Doug is one of sweetest people I've ever known (opps! There I go
fawning again!). National Champion fingerstyle contest winner about 3
years ago. If I were to be stuck on a desert island forever with one
guitarist, I would probably chose him.

> >
> > Ed Gerhard:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf4AEHxH0o
> >
>
> Very good
> I like it

One of the best arrangements of a folk tune that I know. I play this
arrangement. Ed is a wonderful sensitive player and person.

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUQg5ln6W_U
> >
>
> not as compelling as the other song

Agreed. Just showing another voice of his.

>
> > Tony McManus:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi4ZYETa84
>
> ok, a little uninteresting

Yeah, Celtic is a hit and miss thing for me. Plays other stuff great
too. I studied with him this past summer.

>
> >
> > Al Petteway:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5x_qIn7CY&feature=related
> > (if you are watching the PBS National Parks series, you hear this
> > several times)
> >
>
>
> Very nice

Indeed. I don't know him but would like to. Lives in the beautiful
mountains of North Carolina.

> > Andy McKee:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec
> >
> Uninterestint

I agree, but he is very hot. Over 1,000,000 hits on several of his
YouTube videos.

>
> > Tommy Emmanuel:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zPXtaGTQs
> >
> WOW!!! Gosebumps!!

Yep, he is indeed wonderful.

>
>
> > Pete Huttlinger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MOAzcuwtcU
> >
>
> Good, does the thumbpick disqualify him form this category?

Fantastic player. John Denver's last sideman, now a soloist. No, many
of our style use a thumbpick; some use fingernails, some play "naked".

>
> > Laurence Juber:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
> >
>
>
> Loud, in your face, marches on like a relentless soldier, no
> musicality
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7P4WXswTUI&feature=related
>
> Better than above, more varied dynamics, feelings at time, but still
> not enjoyable
> loud, obnoxious and in your face.
>
>
> Jenn, not everything is equally excellent

Where did I say that?

>
> My order of preference is
> Tommy Emanuel
> Doug Smith']
> Ed Gerhard
> Al Petteway
> Pete Huttinger
> Tony McManus
> Lawrence Juber
> Andy Mc Keee
>
> Your attitude reminds me
> of President Obama's remarks on AMerican exceptionalism.
> He believes in it as much as he believes in British Exceptionalism,
> French
> Exceptionalism, German Exceptionalism, Riussian Eceptionalism and as
> far as I know, Botswanan
> exceptionalism
> ]We are all "Equally Exceptional!!!!!!
> Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

TOTAL straw man.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your opinion. I suppose that the Hollywood contractors are
> > simply wrong.
>
> Not to mention a former Beatle.
>
> Stephen

Yep. Worked on albums by all of the Beatles except Lennon. Can you
imagine the studios hiring someone who they don't consider to be the
best? Some credits: presently doing a Barry Manilow album, all the
James Bond movies the past 10 years or so, lots of Disney (Pocahantas,
etc.), Al Stewart, Good Will Hunting, Men in Black, Home Improvement,
Cleo Laine... obviously not a good musician.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 9:27*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 29, 11:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 28, 11:19*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >,
> > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:39*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:25*pm, Jenn >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ps.c
> > > > > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 9:13*pm, George M. Middius
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sacky is deep in his personal muddle zone.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What point did I "side-step"?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that you know certain people, but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you sometimes appear to be a fawning sycophant.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly you have no idea what "fawning" or "sycophant"
> > > > > > > > > > > > means.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > terms to apply to Jenn, you'd have to point out the
> > > > > > > > > > > > individual(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > whom
> > > > > > > > > > > > her sycophancy is directed.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > A certain Mr. Juber, for one
> >
> > > > > > > > > > lol *Please provide an example of me doing so.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You fawned all over him as a world class guitarist, then
> > > > > > > > > posted
> > > > > > > > > links
> > > > > > > > > to his performances,
> >
> > > > > > > > Yep. *He's a world class guitarist. *He wins polls about
> > > > > > > > acoustic
> > > > > > > > fingerstyle players all the time. *If you asked 100 players of
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > style who they think the best player is, probably over 90 of
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > list LJ or Tommy Emmanuel. *LJ is the first call studio
> > > > > > > > guitarist
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > LA studios, music, movies, and TV. *He has two Grammy awards.
> > > > > > > > *He's
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > highest selling recording artist in the genre. *His
> > > > > > > > instructional
> > > > > > > > videos
> > > > > > > > are the highest selling. *Damn slacker... *To state this is not
> > > > > > > > "fawning", it's stating objective facts.
> >
> > > > > > > You told us how great he was,
> >
> > > > > > Yes, I and many others believe that he is a great player. *Those
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > hire, thereby putting their careers on the line, agree.
> >
> > > > > > > practically worship him,
> >
> > > > > > WHere the hell do you get that? *lol *Quotes, please.
> >
> > > > > > > then sent us
> > > > > > > some links to performances
> > > > > > > 'that were lacking in any musical expression at all, and playing
> > > > > > > arrangements
> > > > > > > that were trite and turgid.
> >
> > > > > > Again, you're entitled to your opinion. *Would you care to post
> > > > > > solo
> > > > > > guitar arrangements of "Gently Weeps" and Strawberry Fields" that
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > enjoy more?
> >
> > > > > LOL!!! *You narrowed the criterie. Its the only solo version I know
> > > > > of, so it is 'both the best and worst of
> > > > > your constricted criteria.
> >
> > > > Those were the tunes that I posted, IIRC, so I thought that you might
> > > > know solo recordings of them that you liked better. *Let's widen it:
> > > > *Do
> > > > you like any solo acoustic guitar recordings? *If so, what are they? *
> > > > It's possible that you don't like the entire genre, and that's fine. *
> > > > It's a niche market to be sure.
> >
> > > > > However, as a musical performance, compared
> > > > > to
> > > > > untold num,bers of them that I have seen, it was subpar, dull,
> > > > > pedestrian and uninteresting. At the time, other people commented
> > > > > similarly, they were unimpressed.
> >
> > > > Again, perhaps you dislike the genre.
> >
> > > > > Anyway, this is not about him, its about you.
> > > > > I am not your enemy, I am not attaqcking you.'You are most likely
> > > > > ]a talented person and a good person. I get thT form your
> > > > > personal presentation here. But I also get thaT
> > > > > you appear to be quite fawning at times.
> > > > > I never here anything comparative form you.
> > > > > Everybody you know, every miusicina you
> > > > > have come across is so excellent and perfect and
> > > > > \so worthy of your unlimited adoration. You never have
> > > > > a critical thing to say of amyone who inhabits your spehere.
> > > > > Taht makes you unbelievable, or at least appear to be
> > > > > 'a person of limited discernment.
> >
> > > > Oh, I could speak negatively about any number of people that I know and
> > > > work with. *I just don't see the point of doing that. *I would only
> > > > bring them up BECAUSE they have impressed me, and in the context of
> > > > some
> > > > discussion here. *I posted about Mary in response to someone else. *Her
> > > > death touched me deeply, and I thought that it might be of interest to
> > > > some here to hear from someone who knew her. *I posed about LJ because
> > > > of the sound of his self-produced recordings. *I posted about Fred
> > > > because he conducted recordings that audio people "fawn over" in
> > > > regards
> > > > to the sound. *He was my mentor and I therefore have a unique view of
> > > > him compared to others here. *I could post areas of disagreement that I
> > > > have with each of those people, but what's the point? *I suspect that
> > > > if
> > > > I did that, some loon would say, "Who are YOU to criticize another
> > > > artist?" *
> >
> > > > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
> >
> > > > Who do you like more?
> >
> > > > > It pains me that you are so smitten by him that you can't see it.
> >
> > > At the tiem, soomebidy (maybe Steve???) posted youtube
> > > links to some better oens, i forgot who0 they were/
> >
> > All I remember is a performance which:
> > 1. *Wasn't acoustic
> > 2. *Wasn't fingerstyle
> > 3. *Wasn't solo
> >
> > Otherwise it was a perfect comparison.
>
> No, I remember seeing acoustic, solo, fingerpicking vids

OK, maybe someone will remember who they were.

[MiNe 109]

In article

>,
Jenn > wrote:

> >
> > > Laurence Juber:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
> > >
> >
> >
> > Loud, in your face, marches on like a relentless soldier, no
> > musicality

Some musicality shows up at the two-minute mark. :-)

Stephen

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > > Laurence Juber:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Loud, in your face, marches on like a relentless soldier, no
> > > musicality
>
> Some musicality shows up at the two-minute mark. :-)
>
> Stephen

It's "Paper Moon" for crying out loud! The big band arrangement,
complete with the authentic bass line. Does he expect some rubato or
something?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 4:03*pm, Boon > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 9:33*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 7:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn. His
> > > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> > > If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> > > queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> > > use of misinformation and propaganda.
>
> > There sure are a lot of paranoid people on RAO.
>
> > Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
> > you?
>
> > LOL!
>
> Um...I think you've hit the nail on the head again.

These bozos aren't "conservative".

They're "control freaks".

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 8:39*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 8:57*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 29, 7:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 29, 5:17*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
> > > > I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> > > > between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.
>
> > > So, what is your opinion of Scott's musical p[references?
>
> > I'm not a big prog rock fan.
>
> me neither.

I remember we had some mutual interests. For instance, we both like
Godspeed! You Black Emperor, much to my surprise. I also enjoy Peter
Gabriel, but then Scott took out my 180g pressing of "Security" and
asked why I would pay $30 for his worst album. First of all, I didn't
pay $30 for it since it was a review copy. Second, it's my favorite PG
album, so Scott's rather rash opinion was met with nothing but
disdain. Again, anyone who makes juvenile comments like that about
personal preferences is, well, a juvenile.

I think I may have teased Scott once or twice about his musical
tastes, but it was less about his preferences and more about the very
narrow scope of his tastes. My brother is like that...he has 6000 CDs,
but they're all basically the same genre. I don't necessarily consider
a person like that to be a true music lover.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 7:22*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:43*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 10:26*am, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> > > > Obviously, Juber is NOT a world class talent, making
> > > > music as he does, playiong the insipid
> > > > arrangekemnts he plays.
> > > > He is the Mantovani of solo acoustic guitar players.
>
> > > Who do you like more?
>
> > Jenn, I think Clyde uses the word "obviously" in the same context that
> > 2pid does: "I have no clue but if I make an absolute statement perhaps
> > someone will believe me."
>
> > Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> > recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> > to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> > before he'd believe it.
>
> > He only knows if he likes something. If he doesn't like it it can't be
> > world-class.
>
> > IOW, give Clyde's opinion all of the consideration it's due. :-)
>
> Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
> might mean. I have seen much better.

Tell it to Paul McCartney, who no doubt should bow to you superior
insight. LMAO!

> He is competent, but not musical.

I have doubts you understand music. Please post your reume.

> Htere were others *posting here at that time who agreed.

Is this a (not so subtle) McDonald's argument? LOL!

[Boon[_2_]]

On Sep 29, 11:27*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 4:03*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:33*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Sep 28, 7:08*pm, "James Smith" > wrote:
>
> > > > "George M. Middius" > wrote :
>
> > > > > What I'm wondering is why "James Smith" is so panicked about Jenn.. His
> > > > > screeching is as shrill as Krooger's was.
>
> > > > If you speak honestly about Jenn - the worker bees close in to protect their
> > > > queen. It's what they're programmed to do. In the example above we see the
> > > > use of misinformation and propaganda.
>
> > > There sure are a lot of paranoid people on RAO.
>
> > > Say, James, you wouldn't happen to be politically conservative, would
> > > you?
>
> > > LOL!
>
> > Um...I think you've hit the nail on the head again.
>
> These bozos aren't "conservative".
>
> They're "control freaks".

And they're not getting any nookie.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 7:28*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:17*pm, Boon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wasn't in love with his playing either, but I know the difference
> > between musical preference and saying someone's friend sucks.
>
> So, what is your opinion of Scott's musical p[references?

Music has nothing to do with 2pid sucking.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 8:38*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On Sep 29, 8:32*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > duh-Sacky bleated:
>
> > > > Clyde wouldn't know a world-class guitarist any more than he'd
> > > > recognize a military officer based on his postings. Clyde would need
> > > > to see a certificate that said "Bona Fide World-Class Guitarist"
> > > > before he'd believe it.
> > > Juber is not a world class guitatrist, whatever that vague phrase
> > > might mean. I have seen much better.
> > > He is competent, but not musical.
>
> > duh... The praise being directed at Juber relates to the way he plays, not
> > what he plays. Do you remember when Jenn said she recognizes that I write
> > well? Scottie blew a doggie-fuse. It was beyond his limited intellect that
> > somebody could do something well and still not deliver pleasure to all who
> > observe it. This is very much the same distinction. Jenn explained in detail
> > that Juber, like the other technical virtuosos, usually play to the
> > expectations of a niche audience.
>
> a bunch of masturbaters.
> What you are doing is adoring a carpenter for his
> technique in driving nails, though the wall he just built was crooked.

Many people think that Segovia sucked. What do you think? Who's "world-
class"? Ibsen? Parkening?

Certainly not Segovia, as many would agree that he sucks.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 29, 10:54*pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
>
>
> >,
> *Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > Laurence Juber:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQci4YtYF8
>
> > > Loud, in your face, marches on like a relentless soldier, no
> > > musicality
>
> Some musicality shows up at the two-minute mark. :-)

LMAO!

[Clyde Slick]

On Sep 29, 11:40*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article

>
> > Jenn, not everything is equally excellent
>
> Where did I say that?
>


Here, its the sum history of your postings.
You go gaga over eryone.