host for streaming mp3 website

[Jack Jarmush]

Hello good people,
After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
thanks,
rob

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>Hello good people,
>After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
>already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
>they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
>files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
>music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
>thanks,
>rob

Does it really have to stream? If you don't have to stream it and
you can just download the file to the user, any web server in the
country will work.

Why does the ISP care WHAT kind of files you're sending out? Admittedly
streaming is a special case, but bits is bits no matter what.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Central Scrutinizer]

Check GoDaddy.com - I base a whole MP3 store from there.


Jack Jarmush wrote:
> Hello good people,
> After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
> already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
> they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
> files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
> music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
> thanks,
> rob

[Jack Jarmush]

On Aug 21, 1:37*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
> >Hello good people,
> >After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
> >already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
> >they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
> >files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
> >music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
> >thanks,
> >rob
>
> Does it really have to stream? *If you don't have to stream it and
> you can just download the file to the user, any web server in the
> country will work.
>
> Why does the ISP care WHAT kind of files you're sending out? *Admittedly
> streaming is a special case, but bits is bits no matter what.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

i know it's weird, the server i am using is www.ipower.com and now
they don't support streaming anything and they don't even host mp3
files! i want to stream mp3 because its faster and i was doing it but
now the internet is becoming more and more controlled. very
frustratingOn Aug 21, 1:37 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
> >Hello good people,
> >After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
> >already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
> >they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
> >files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
> >music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
> >thanks,
> >rob
>
> Does it really have to stream? If you don't have to stream it and
> you can just download the file to the user, any web server in the
> country will work.
>
> Why does the ISP care WHAT kind of files you're sending out? Admittedly
> streaming is a special case, but bits is bits no matter what.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

i know it's weird, the server i am using is www.ipower.com and now
they don't support streaming anything and they don't even host mp3
files! i want to stream mp3 because its faster and i was doing it but
now the internet is becoming more and more controlled. very frustrating

[Jack Jarmush]

On Aug 21, 1:38*am, Central Scrutinizer >
wrote:
> Check GoDaddy.com - I base a whole MP3 store from there.
>
> thanks i checked it but they don't support streaming audio neither. what is happening to the internet?
>
> Jack Jarmush wrote:
> > Hello good people,
> > After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
> > already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
> > they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
> > files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
> > music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
> > thanks,
> > rob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Mike Rivers]

Jack Jarmush wrote:

> i know it's weird, the server i am using is www.ipower.com and now
> they don't support streaming anything and they don't even host mp3
> files! i want to stream mp3 because its faster and i was doing it but
> now the internet is becoming more and more controlled. very frustrating

I suspect that everybody is afraid of getting shut down for supporting
the illegal exchange of copyright music. There's no technical reason
for not supporting either streaming or storage/downloading of any
particular file type.

I suppose you could ZIP them. That might work for a while.

--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me here:
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

[Central Scrutinizer]

Depends on your definition of streaming. Essentially you are only
playing back a pre-recorded audio file. Even the big radio stations do
this, collecting a live feed from a recording source and processing it
before it goes out live. A file is a file all day long, whether you call
it streaming or whatever.

Jack Jarmush wrote:
> On Aug 21, 1:38 am, Central Scrutinizer >
> wrote:
>> Check GoDaddy.com - I base a whole MP3 store from there.
>>
>> thanks i checked it but they don't support streaming audio neither. what is happening to the internet?
>>
>> Jack Jarmush wrote:
>>> Hello good people,
>>> After building a new website then buying 2 new domains and renewing my
>>> already existing account at ipower.com web hosting now they tell me
>>> they changed policies and no longer support streaming or even mp3
>>> files ! aaaggghh! Does anyone know a good host where i can upload my
>>> music website's based on streaming mp3? or have another solution ?
>>> thanks,
>>> rob- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
>i know it's weird, the server i am using is www.ipower.com and now
>they don't support streaming anything and they don't even host mp3
>files!

What happens if you put an mp3 file on their server? Do they take you
to court? Put some files up and see.

>i want to stream mp3 because its faster and i was doing it but
>now the internet is becoming more and more controlled. very
>frustrating

The internet is not becoming any more controlled, it's your sleazy hosting
provider. However, you should know that mp3 streaming isn't actually any
faster; the only real advantage is that the thing starts to play while the
download is taking place. So it starts faster, but it still takes just as
long to download.

Panix will allow streaming but you'll have to set everything on the server
side up yourself from the shell account. Is that okay, or do you need a
service that has everything set up already?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>Depends on your definition of streaming. Essentially you are only
>playing back a pre-recorded audio file. Even the big radio stations do
>this, collecting a live feed from a recording source and processing it
>before it goes out live. A file is a file all day long, whether you call
>it streaming or whatever.

There is a very specific definition of streaming. A streaming system delivers
content in realtime, rather than as a block file.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Central Scrutinizer]

BUT, it normally goes through a time delay to allow for processing as it
goes out. So one way or another, it goes out as a block file.


Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>> Depends on your definition of streaming. Essentially you are only
>> playing back a pre-recorded audio file. Even the big radio stations do
>> this, collecting a live feed from a recording source and processing it
>> before it goes out live. A file is a file all day long, whether you call
>> it streaming or whatever.
>
> There is a very specific definition of streaming. A streaming system delivers
> content in realtime, rather than as a block file.
> --scott
>

[Scott Dorsey]

Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>BUT, it normally goes through a time delay to allow for processing as it
>goes out. So one way or another, it goes out as a block file.

Yes, there is some latency. But no, it's not treated by the source or the
destination as a block file, but as a stream. Read the man page.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Central Scrutinizer]

Dont have to read it. I stream live performances of a Symphony Orchestra
to a major radio market in a large city, I do it every week. I have a
pretty good idea how it works.

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>> BUT, it normally goes through a time delay to allow for processing as it
>> goes out. So one way or another, it goes out as a block file.
>
> Yes, there is some latency. But no, it's not treated by the source or the
> destination as a block file, but as a stream. Read the man page.
> --scott
>

[Jack Jarmush]

On Aug 21, 4:12 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>
> >BUT, it normally goes through a time delay to allow for processing as it
> >goes out. So one way or another, it goes out as a block file.
>
> Yes, there is some latency. But no, it's not treated by the source or the
> destination as a block file, but as a stream. Read the man page.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

an .m3u file pointed to an mp3 file is actually a playlist and not
streaming audio as far as i understand but still all the web hosts
i've looked at in the last 24 hrs don't support it anymore and instead
suggest you take their dedicated server account for 20x the price.
What about storing the mp3's somewhere else on a free host and
embedding them on the website, will that stream the music? like
embedding a youtube vid?. i really need to use playlist's because i
want to do a half hour radio show once a week and it will take too
long for people to download, also i want visitors to be able to play
entire cd's with 1 click and not have to wait for it to completely
download, www.radiorob.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Central Scrutinizer > wrote:
>Dont have to read it. I stream live performances of a Symphony Orchestra
>to a major radio market in a large city, I do it every week. I have a
>pretty good idea how it works.

Right.... now imagine taking a fixed length file and pumping it down the
stream in the same fashion, on a request from the client.

The overall operation is very different from the client just issuing a GET to
the server, the server passing the file to the client, and then the client
browser passing the file on to a playing application once the file has
completed downloading.

The user doesn't see any difference, except that the streamed file starts
to play as soon as the download begins, withough the whole file having to
be transferred to the client first. But the operation that actually takes
place under the hood is radically different.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>an .m3u file pointed to an mp3 file is actually a playlist and not
>streaming audio as far as i understand but still all the web hosts
>i've looked at in the last 24 hrs don't support it anymore and instead
>suggest you take their dedicated server account for 20x the price.

It could be streaming, or it might not be. Depends on what is inside
the m3u file. The m3u file is a directory that tells the client where
to look for things. It can contain pointers to individual files or to
streams.

There's nothing fancy about an mp3 file or an m3u file... they are just
files. Why does the ISP care about what kind of files you have online?
As long as you don't stream the files, you're fine.

>What about storing the mp3's somewhere else on a free host and
>embedding them on the website, will that stream the music? like
>embedding a youtube vid?.

If the free host supports streaming, yes. If they don't, no.

>i really need to use playlist's because i
>want to do a half hour radio show once a week and it will take too
>long for people to download, also i want visitors to be able to play
>entire cd's with 1 click and not have to wait for it to completely
>download, www.radiorob.com

That is the kind of application for which streaming is very popular,
yes. Most regular hosting providers will provide that facility today,
but you'll be paying considerably more than for a free service or for
a spam-hoster. Considered someplace like Panix or Liquidweb?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Jack Jarmush]

i checked Panix, they don't support streaming audio. Liquidweb does
but 14.95USD/mnth and only 1 gig disk space. WOW that's inflation ! a
few months ago it was 3.99/mnth for 10gigs! on many hosting plans.

14.99/mnth is a bit too much, i really don't want to pay more than
$100/year for a host.

anyone know a workaround? like how to embedd mp3files, like store them
on MySpace and embedd on the server ?

rob www.radiorob.com


On Aug 21, 4:50*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
> >an .m3u file pointed to an mp3 file is actually a playlist and not
> >streaming audio as far as i understand but still all the web hosts
> >i've looked at in the last 24 hrs don't support it anymore and instead
> >suggest you take their dedicated server account for 20x the price.
>
> It could be streaming, or it might not be. *Depends on what is inside
> the m3u file. *The m3u file is a directory that tells the client where
> to look for things. *It can contain pointers to individual files or to
> streams.
>
> There's nothing fancy about an mp3 file or an m3u file... they are just
> files. *Why does the ISP care about what kind of files you have online?
> As long as you don't stream the files, you're fine.
>
> >What about storing the mp3's somewhere else on a free host and
> >embedding them on the website, will that stream the music? like
> >embedding a youtube vid?.
>
> If the free host supports streaming, yes. *If they don't, no.
>
> >i really need to use playlist's because i
> >want to do a half hour radio show once a week and it will take too
> >long for people to download, also i want visitors to be able to play
> >entire cd's with 1 click and not have to wait for it to completely
> >download,www.radiorob.com
>
> That is the kind of application for which streaming is very popular,
> yes. *Most regular hosting providers will provide that facility today,
> but you'll be paying considerably more than for a free service or for
> a spam-hoster. *Considered someplace like Panix or Liquidweb?
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>i checked Panix, they don't support streaming audio. Liquidweb does
>but 14.95USD/mnth and only 1 gig disk space. WOW that's inflation ! a
>few months ago it was 3.99/mnth for 10gigs! on many hosting plans.

Panix supports anything you want if you run the server.

>14.99/mnth is a bit too much, i really don't want to pay more than
>$100/year for a host.

Hell, I pay that much for shell service. That is very cheap.
>
>anyone know a workaround? like how to embedd mp3files, like store them
>on MySpace and embedd on the server ?

You just make them downloadable instead of streaming them.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Central Scrutinizer]

Look, all "PODCASTS" on Itunes are pre-recorded. So are most internet
radio shows. Its tit for tat.


Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>> an .m3u file pointed to an mp3 file is actually a playlist and not
>> streaming audio as far as i understand but still all the web hosts
>> i've looked at in the last 24 hrs don't support it anymore and instead
>> suggest you take their dedicated server account for 20x the price.
>
> It could be streaming, or it might not be. Depends on what is inside
> the m3u file. The m3u file is a directory that tells the client where
> to look for things. It can contain pointers to individual files or to
> streams.
>
> There's nothing fancy about an mp3 file or an m3u file... they are just
> files. Why does the ISP care about what kind of files you have online?
> As long as you don't stream the files, you're fine.
>
>> What about storing the mp3's somewhere else on a free host and
>> embedding them on the website, will that stream the music? like
>> embedding a youtube vid?.
>
> If the free host supports streaming, yes. If they don't, no.
>
>> i really need to use playlist's because i
>> want to do a half hour radio show once a week and it will take too
>> long for people to download, also i want visitors to be able to play
>> entire cd's with 1 click and not have to wait for it to completely
>> download, www.radiorob.com
>
> That is the kind of application for which streaming is very popular,
> yes. Most regular hosting providers will provide that facility today,
> but you'll be paying considerably more than for a free service or for
> a spam-hoster. Considered someplace like Panix or Liquidweb?
> --scott

[Central Scrutinizer]

Again, any size account at GoDaddy would work for your purpose. I know
because I am doing it and doing so as a profession.

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>> i checked Panix, they don't support streaming audio. Liquidweb does
>> but 14.95USD/mnth and only 1 gig disk space. WOW that's inflation ! a
>> few months ago it was 3.99/mnth for 10gigs! on many hosting plans.
>
> Panix supports anything you want if you run the server.
>
>> 14.99/mnth is a bit too much, i really don't want to pay more than
>> $100/year for a host.
>
> Hell, I pay that much for shell service. That is very cheap.
>> anyone know a workaround? like how to embedd mp3files, like store them
>> on MySpace and embedd on the server ?
>
> You just make them downloadable instead of streaming them.
> --scott
>

[Jack Jarmush]

On Aug 21, 10:31 pm, Central Scrutinizer >
wrote:
> Again, any size account at GoDaddy would work for your purpose. I know
> because I am doing it and doing so as a profession.

GoDaddy doesn't support streaming audio unless you have a dedicated
server.
what type of account do you have ? shared or dedicated?
or maybe Godaddy turns a blind eye ?
With my server it's impossible to stream, it just doesn't work.



>



>
>
> Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > Jack Jarmush > wrote:
> >> i checked Panix, they don't support streaming audio. Liquidweb does
> >> but 14.95USD/mnth and only 1 gig disk space. WOW that's inflation ! a
> >> few months ago it was 3.99/mnth for 10gigs! on many hosting plans.
>
> > Panix supports anything you want if you run the server.
>
> >> 14.99/mnth is a bit too much, i really don't want to pay more than
> >> $100/year for a host.
>
> > Hell, I pay that much for shell service. *That is very cheap.
> >> anyone know a workaround? like how to embedd mp3files, like store them
> >> on MySpace and embedd on the server ?
>
> > You just make them downloadable instead of streaming them.
> > --scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Jack Jarmush]

Problem resolved:

It was Rea Player. I CAN play .m3u files with WMP even though my
server says they don't support it.

It was a cross communication between my servers costumer support and
my own stupidity as usual.

never mind...

rob


On Aug 22, 12:49*am, Jack Jarmush > wrote:
> On Aug 21, 10:31 pm, Central Scrutinizer >
> wrote:
>
> > Again, any size account at GoDaddy would work for your purpose. I know
> > because I am doing it and doing so as a profession.
>
> GoDaddy doesn't support streaming audio unless you have a dedicated
> server.
> what type of account do you have ? shared or dedicated?
> or maybe Godaddy turns a blind eye ?
> With my server it's impossible to stream, it just doesn't work.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > > Jack Jarmush > wrote:
> > >> i checked Panix, they don't support streaming audio. Liquidweb does
> > >> but 14.95USD/mnth and only 1 gig disk space. WOW that's inflation ! a
> > >> few months ago it was 3.99/mnth for 10gigs! on many hosting plans.
>
> > > Panix supports anything you want if you run the server.
>
> > >> 14.99/mnth is a bit too much, i really don't want to pay more than
> > >> $100/year for a host.
>
> > > Hell, I pay that much for shell service. *That is very cheap.
> > >> anyone know a workaround? like how to embedd mp3files, like store them
> > >> on MySpace and embedd on the server ?
>
> > > You just make them downloadable instead of streaming them.
> > > --scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>Problem resolved:
>
>It was Rea Player. I CAN play .m3u files with WMP even though my
>server says they don't support it.
>
>It was a cross communication between my servers costumer support and
>my own stupidity as usual.

The server supports _nothing_. Everything happens on the client side.

If you are downloading and you are not streaming, ALL that happens is
that the client sends a GET request for a file and the server sends
the file. ALL web services break down to that one single operation.

The server doesn't care what's in the file or what kind of file it is.
The server can't tell anyway. When the client asks for the file, the
server sends it.

The ONLY time the server does anything else is if the content is dynamic.
For example, the server might have a file which isn't really a file,
but is actually a database. When the user accesses the file, it may
display the database or change the database. In this case, the database
system needs to be running on the server, and the server needs to have
a bunch of configuration changes so that it knows not to treat certain
files as actual files, but to run an application instead and send the
output from the application as it it were the file.

Real file streaming is handled in a similar kind of way; the server
needs to have a specific configuration change to deal with it. But
if you're downloading and not streaming, files are just files no matter
what is inside them.

This is what makes the web such a fine thing.... it's a pretty complex
set of things, all built up on one single simple GET operation.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Jack Jarmush]

Is .m3u streaming or downloading? .m3u is a playlist file, i know it
just begins to play the file as it's downloading so will the server
just do that without issue?

On Aug 22, 7:02*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
> >Problem resolved:
>
> >It was Rea Player. I CAN play .m3u files with WMP even though my
> >server says they don't support it.
>
> >It was a cross communication between my servers costumer support and
> >my own stupidity as usual.
>
> The server supports _nothing_. *Everything happens on the client side.
>
> If you are downloading and you are not streaming, ALL that happens is
> that the client sends a GET request for a file and the server sends
> the file. *ALL web services break down to that one single operation.
>
> The server doesn't care what's in the file or what kind of file it is.
> The server can't tell anyway. *When the client asks for the file, the
> server sends it.
>
> The ONLY time the server does anything else is if the content is dynamic.
> For example, the server might have a file which isn't really a file,
> but is actually a database. *When the user accesses the file, it may
> display the database or change the database. *In this case, the database
> system needs to be running on the server, and the server needs to have
> a bunch of configuration changes so that it knows not to treat certain
> files as actual files, but to run an application instead and send the
> output from the application as it it were the file.
>
> Real file streaming is handled in a similar kind of way; the server
> needs to have a specific configuration change to deal with it. *But
> if you're downloading and not streaming, files are just files no matter
> what is inside them.
>
> This is what makes the web such a fine thing.... it's a pretty complex
> set of things, all built up on one single simple GET operation.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Jack Jarmush]

let me reword that; my host server (ipower.com) doesn't support
streaming audio so if i use a .m3u file pointed to a .mp3 file is that
streamimg and is that why i am having problems using this m3u/mp3
combination ? if the host doesn't allow this then why does it work on
some browser/player combinations but not on others?
-rob


On Aug 23, 2:30*am, Jack Jarmush > wrote:
> Is .m3u streaming or downloading? .m3u is a playlist file, i know it
> just begins to play the file as it's downloading so will the server
> just do that without issue?
>
> On Aug 22, 7:02*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>
> > >Problem resolved:
>
> > >It was Rea Player. I CAN play .m3u files with WMP even though my
> > >server says they don't support it.
>
> > >It was a cross communication between my servers costumer support and
> > >my own stupidity as usual.
>
> > The server supports _nothing_. *Everything happens on the client side..
>
> > If you are downloading and you are not streaming, ALL that happens is
> > that the client sends a GET request for a file and the server sends
> > the file. *ALL web services break down to that one single operation.
>
> > The server doesn't care what's in the file or what kind of file it is.
> > The server can't tell anyway. *When the client asks for the file, the
> > server sends it.
>
> > The ONLY time the server does anything else is if the content is dynamic.
> > For example, the server might have a file which isn't really a file,
> > but is actually a database. *When the user accesses the file, it may
> > display the database or change the database. *In this case, the database
> > system needs to be running on the server, and the server needs to have
> > a bunch of configuration changes so that it knows not to treat certain
> > files as actual files, but to run an application instead and send the
> > output from the application as it it were the file.
>
> > Real file streaming is handled in a similar kind of way; the server
> > needs to have a specific configuration change to deal with it. *But
> > if you're downloading and not streaming, files are just files no matter
> > what is inside them.
>
> > This is what makes the web such a fine thing.... it's a pretty complex
> > set of things, all built up on one single simple GET operation.
> > --scott
>
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Richard Crowley]

"Jack Jarmush" wrote ...
> let me reword that; my host server (ipower.com) doesn't support
> streaming audio so if i use a .m3u file pointed to a .mp3 file is that
> streamimg and is that why i am having problems using this m3u/mp3
> combination ? if the host doesn't allow this then why does it work on
> some browser/player combinations but not on others?

Because some players will just start playing as soon as they start
getting data. It is more user friendly, but it isn't exactly playing by
the official rules (no pun intended).

[Jack Jarmush]

So streaming is when the file is sent in small packets. So an m3u
pointed to an mp3 is not streaming but progressive downloading. So not
a prob with the server but now the problem is what browsers and
players play m3u ? my website works on windows media player but thts
about it so should i say that on the front page or is there a better
solution? how does MySpace do it?rob

n 25 août, 04:37, "Richard Crowley" > wrote:
> "Jack Jarmush" wrote ...
>
> > let me reword that; my host server (ipower.com) doesn't support
> > streaming audio so if i use a .m3u file pointed to a .mp3 file is that
> > streamimg and is that why i am having problems using this m3u/mp3
> > combination ? if the host doesn't allow this then why does it work on
> > some browser/player combinations but not on others?
>
> Because some players will just start playing as soon as they start
> getting data. It is more user friendly, but it isn't exactly playing by
> the official rules (no pun intended).

[Richard Crowley]

"Jack Jarmush" wrote...
> So streaming is when the file is sent in small packets.

*ALL files* are sent in small packets. That is NOT the
distinguishing feature of "streaming".

The distinguishing feature is that a preset protocol is used
where the receiving end starts "processing" ("playing",
"showing", whatever) before the entire file transfer is
completed.

[Laurence Payne[_2_]]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:26:25 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
> wrote:

>> So streaming is when the file is sent in small packets.
>
>*ALL files* are sent in small packets. That is NOT the
>distinguishing feature of "streaming".
>
>The distinguishing feature is that a preset protocol is used
>where the receiving end starts "processing" ("playing",
>"showing", whatever) before the entire file transfer is
>completed.

Consider streaming services such as Spotify or the various
broadcaster's on-demand services. You're normally required to install
specific player software. Once the content you require is located,
you can immediately jump to any point in the timeline.

This is rather different to what happens when downloading (say) a MP3.
Some players will start playing before the whole file arrives at your
computer. But they'll only play the portion that HAS so far
downloaded. Often you can see two markers on the timeline. One for
the play position, one showing the available range. This isn't
"streaming".

[Scott Dorsey]

Jack Jarmush > wrote:
>Is .m3u streaming or downloading?

The m3u file is downloaded to the browser. Then the browser either downloads
or streams, depending on what the m3u file says to do.

This is like asking if books are boring or scary... the physical book isn't
either one, but when you open it up and look inside, the contents might be
either one.

>.m3u is a playlist file, i know it
>just begins to play the file as it's downloading so will the server
>just do that without issue?

If the server is configured to do this, yes.
--scott

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