Are there any companies that make customized MIDI keyboards from thebottom up?

[GreenXenon]

Hi:

Are there any companies that make customized MIDI keyboards from
scratch? If so, how much would they cost?

I asked because I would like a new SY99 keyboard. I like AFM [Advanced
Frequency Modulation] synthesis and SY99 is the most advanced keyboard
that uses it.

I've checked throughout the internet for sale of SY99, all of them are
"used". I don't trust used products. I prefer that they be "not used".
Pretty much all keyboards using AFM synthesis are available as "used"
only.

Is there anyone out there who I can hire to build me an SY99 keyboard
from the bottom-up? Will the cost be reasonable?

Or I am better off learning about AFM synthesis myself and then
building my own AFM keyboard?


Thanks

[Mike Rivers]

GreenXenon wrote:

> Is there anyone out there who I can hire to build me an SY99 keyboard
> from the bottom-up? Will the cost be reasonable?

I'm sure there's someone who is able to build you one from scratch, and I'm
sure the cost would be unreasonable for any reasonable person.

Why not get a used one and pay someone to refurbish it for you? I suspect
that your research hasn't taken you beyond eBay, and it's true that you can
never be sure what you're going to get when you buy from an unknown
seller, but there are some more legitimate places to buy keyboards that
are no longer available new. You might want to ask about reputable
dealers on the rec.music.makers.synth newsgroup.



--
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)

[Gareth Magennis[_2_]]

"GreenXenon" > wrote in message
...
> Hi:
>
> Are there any companies that make customized MIDI keyboards from
> scratch? If so, how much would they cost?
>
> I asked because I would like a new SY99 keyboard. I like AFM [Advanced
> Frequency Modulation] synthesis and SY99 is the most advanced keyboard
> that uses it.
>
> I've checked throughout the internet for sale of SY99, all of them are
> "used". I don't trust used products. I prefer that they be "not used".
> Pretty much all keyboards using AFM synthesis are available as "used"
> only.
>
> Is there anyone out there who I can hire to build me an SY99 keyboard
> from the bottom-up? Will the cost be reasonable?
>
> Or I am better off learning about AFM synthesis myself and then
> building my own AFM keyboard?
>
>
> Thanks




I really don't think you have thought this through, have you.

You are asking something along the lines of "I don't want to buy a second
hand Ford XXXX that is no longer in production, but is there anyone out
there that can make me one for not much money".

You then say that if the cost is unreasonable, then maybe you could learn
about cars and build your own.


Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
whatsoever.





Gareth.

[Richard Crowley]

Gareth Magennis wrote:
> I really don't think you have thought this through, have you.
>
> You are asking something along the lines of "I don't want to buy a
> second hand Ford XXXX that is no longer in production, but is there
> anyone out there that can make me one for not much money".
>
> You then say that if the cost is unreasonable, then maybe you could
> learn about cars and build your own.
>
> Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
> whatsoever.

The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).

[Gareth Magennis[_2_]]

"Richard Crowley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> I really don't think you have thought this through, have you.
>>
>> You are asking something along the lines of "I don't want to buy a
>> second hand Ford XXXX that is no longer in production, but is there
>> anyone out there that can make me one for not much money".
>>
>> You then say that if the cost is unreasonable, then maybe you could
>> learn about cars and build your own.
>>
>> Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
>> whatsoever.
>
> The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
> logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).
>

Yes I know that.

It does not mean that innapropriate behaviour should not be pointed out as
innapropriate behaviour.


I took your stance in this very Newsgroup some time ago, but was informed by
someone who seemed to know a great deal about the subject, that indulging
"Aspies" their excesses was not the best way forward.
There are apparently many avenues of help for people like the OP, and that
generally involves learning to reduce much of the behaviour that causes so
much trouble. Indulging them here, I was told, is not helping anyone at
all.


Gaerth.

[Richard Crowley]

Gareth Magennis wrote:
> There are apparently many avenues of help for people like the OP, and
> that generally involves learning to reduce much of the behaviour that
> causes so much trouble. Indulging them here, I was told, is not
> helping anyone at all.

I wasn't suggesting indulgence. I suggest plonking, as nothing useful
ever comes from these discussions.

[Scott Dorsey]

Richard Crowley > wrote:
>
>The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
>logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).

Asperger's Syndrome affects a person's ability to deal with others in
social situations. It does not affect logical reasoning at all. In
fact, it's apt to make people rely more on logical reasoning because
they can't understand other's emotions so well.

I think it is clear, though, that the OP has some serious problems with
logical reasoning....
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[nb[_2_]]

>The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
>logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome)

I missed the beginning of this, although I have seen posts about how
someone is insane and ruining someone's life.

But I just wanted to say that Asperger's Syndrome (not Augsburger,
which is probably some kind of sandwich :) ) is not a cognitive
disorder. If someone is acting up, it's a different syndrome. :)

[Richard Crowley]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>>The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
>>logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).
>
> Asperger's Syndrome affects a person's ability to deal with others in
> social situations. It does not affect logical reasoning at all. In
> fact, it's apt to make people rely more on logical reasoning because
> they can't understand other's emotions so well.
>
> I think it is clear, though, that the OP has some serious problems with
> logical reasoning....

Since none of us have met him/her, we have only what was self-
described.

[Scott Dorsey]

nb > wrote:
>
>I missed the beginning of this, although I have seen posts about how
>someone is insane and ruining someone's life.

No, what's what's-his-name and Brian McCarthy and the buzzardnews
forgeries. That's a different set of insane persons. Better to killfile
that whole mess too, though.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Richard Crowley wrote:

> Gareth Magennis wrote:

> The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
> logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).

I don't think aspberger has that consequence, I think Bill Gates is one, his
logic is not broken, but he may have issues with his social perspective and
general socialization.

Radium doesn't harm anyone, he doesn't stalk anyone and uses a moniker that
is easily filtered if you don't care for reading his posts .... and could
even be a real nice guy with too much attention to detail ... also fairly
explaining polite answers generally seem to work well with him.

Some of his questions are wiser than other of them - some are also plain
interesting, but hey .... they are not the problem, the never ending threads
caused by followup that got typed on too low a morning does of coffee can
be.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[GreenXenon]

On Jul 25, 12:46 pm, "Gareth Magennis"
> wrote:
> "GreenXenon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Hi:
>
> > Are there any companies that make customized MIDI keyboards from
> > scratch? If so, how much would they cost?
>
> > I asked because I would like a new SY99 keyboard. I like AFM [Advanced
> > Frequency Modulation] synthesis and SY99 is the most advanced keyboard
> > that uses it.
>
> > I've checked throughout the internet for sale of SY99, all of them are
> > "used". I don't trust used products. I prefer that they be "not used".
> > Pretty much all keyboards using AFM synthesis are available as "used"
> > only.
>
> > Is there anyone out there who I can hire to build me an SY99 keyboard
> > from the bottom-up? Will the cost be reasonable?
>
> > Or I am better off learning about AFM synthesis myself and then
> > building my own AFM keyboard?
>
> > Thanks
>
> I really don't think you have thought this through, have you.
>
> You are asking something along the lines of "I don't want to buy a second
> hand Ford XXXX that is no longer in production, but is there anyone out
> there that can make me one for not much money".
>
> You then say that if the cost is unreasonable, then maybe you could learn
> about cars and build your own.
>
> Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
> whatsoever.
>
> Gareth.


I'm trying to figure out whether it would be more economical for me to
design and build my own keyboard as opposed to hiring someone else to
do it.

[Mike Rivers]

GreenXenon wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out whether it would be more economical for me to
> design and build my own keyboard as opposed to hiring someone else to
> do it.

Depends on how much you know, what you're able to do, and when you
want it to be finished.


--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me here:
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)

[Laurence Payne[_2_]]

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
> wrote:

>> Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
>> whatsoever.
>>
>> Gareth.
>
>
>I'm trying to figure out whether it would be more economical for me to
>design and build my own keyboard as opposed to hiring someone else to
>do it.

If you're capable, of course doing it yourself would be cheaper. You
have my permission to start immediately. Please let us know how you
get on.

[Gareth Magennis[_2_]]

"GreenXenon" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 25, 12:46 pm, "Gareth Magennis"
> > wrote:
>> "GreenXenon" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi:
>>
>> > Are there any companies that make customized MIDI keyboards from
>> > scratch? If so, how much would they cost?
>>
>> > I asked because I would like a new SY99 keyboard. I like AFM [Advanced
>> > Frequency Modulation] synthesis and SY99 is the most advanced keyboard
>> > that uses it.
>>
>> > I've checked throughout the internet for sale of SY99, all of them are
>> > "used". I don't trust used products. I prefer that they be "not used".
>> > Pretty much all keyboards using AFM synthesis are available as "used"
>> > only.
>>
>> > Is there anyone out there who I can hire to build me an SY99 keyboard
>> > from the bottom-up? Will the cost be reasonable?
>>
>> > Or I am better off learning about AFM synthesis myself and then
>> > building my own AFM keyboard?
>>
>> > Thanks
>>
>> I really don't think you have thought this through, have you.
>>
>> You are asking something along the lines of "I don't want to buy a
>> second
>> hand Ford XXXX that is no longer in production, but is there anyone out
>> there that can make me one for not much money".
>>
>> You then say that if the cost is unreasonable, then maybe you could learn
>> about cars and build your own.
>>
>> Please try and listen to what you are saying, you are making no sense
>> whatsoever.
>>
>> Gareth.
>
>
> I'm trying to figure out whether it would be more economical for me to
> design and build my own keyboard as opposed to hiring someone else to
> do it.




How much do you think Yamaha spent designing and producing the SY99? Are
you seriously asking whether you can afford to pay an individual to do the
same, and if you can't afford this, then you have the capabilities to
accomplish this on your own?


I don't see that you have a very realistic grasp of reality. Most of what
you say seems to be some sort of idealistic fantasy.



If you want something like a SY77, get a SY77. It will probably cost very
little and will do exactly what you want. I know you can't buy a new one
any more, but you haven't explained why you think buying a used SY77 is such
a bad idea you would rather pay someone vast amounts of money to build
something similar.




Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis[_2_]]

My typo - SY77 meant to read SY99.

[Arkansan Raider]

Peter Larsen wrote:
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
>> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>> The OP has stated that he suffers from a condition that impairs his
>> logical reasoning abilities (Augsburger Syndrome).
>
> I don't think aspberger has that consequence, I think Bill Gates is one, his
> logic is not broken, but he may have issues with his social perspective and
> general socialization.
>
> Radium doesn't harm anyone, he doesn't stalk anyone and uses a moniker that
> is easily filtered if you don't care for reading his posts .... and could
> even be a real nice guy with too much attention to detail ... also fairly
> explaining polite answers generally seem to work well with him.

Probably the best way to work in general for everyone--not just him.

JMHSO

>
> Some of his questions are wiser than other of them - some are also plain
> interesting, but hey .... they are not the problem, the never ending threads
> caused by followup that got typed on too low a morning does of coffee can
> be.

I'm sure I've no idea whatever you're talking about. I'm always coherent
before I've had my morning coffee. Now step away before I'm struck by
lightning.

---Jeff


>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen
>
>
>

[GreenXenon]

On Jul 26, 12:13 pm, "Gareth Magennis"
> wrote:


> How much do you think Yamaha spent designing and producing the SY99? Are
> you seriously asking whether you can afford to pay an individual to do the
> same, and if you can't afford this, then you have the capabilities to
> accomplish this on your own?


So you're saying if I can't afford pay someone to do this that I
wouldn't have the money to be able to build one myself? I hope not. My
main concern here is the cost of silicon processing to make the chips.


>
> I don't see that you have a very realistic grasp of reality. Most of what
> you say seems to be some sort of idealistic fantasy.


How so?


>
> If you want something like a SY77, get a SY77. It will probably cost very
> little and will do exactly what you want. I know you can't buy a new one
> any more, but you haven't explained why you think buying a used SY77 is such
> a bad idea you would rather pay someone vast amounts of money to build
> something similar.

Here is why I don't want a "used" one.

I'm very sensitive to outdoor dirt. There is a good chance the used
ones came in contact with grass, soil, pollen, asphault, concrete, and
other outdoor dirt. I'm allergic to amounts of those substances which
others can tolerate. That's why I'm an indoor person. If I touch the
outdoor floor, I immediately have to wash my hands with clean water. I
can't use soap or other chemicals either -- just pure clean water. I
can handle small amounts of dirt particles that are present in most
habitable environments, however, construction work just gets my
nostrils flaring.

Discomfort which most can ignore, feels like pain to me.

Because SY99 has electric parts, I can't wash it with water.

I'm not at all a germophobe. In fact, I like bacteria. It's the
allergens [such as pollen, soil, and grass dust] that makes me sick.
Also, I hate anything with a sticky texture [such as syrup]. If there
is any sticky substance to any extent, there is a good chance I will
feel it.

Now if I can find a "non-used" SY99 that would be a dream entering
reality because then I wouldn't have to worry about dirt, dust,
allergies, stickiness, or toxic/irritating chemicals.

[Richard Crowley]

> Peter Larsen wrote:
> Radium doesn't harm anyone, he doesn't stalk anyone and uses a
> moniker that is easily filtered if you don't care for reading his
> posts ....

Having dealt with him many times in other newsgroups, I can
relate my first hand experience that this person DOES change
his online identity AND email from address. Seemingly to foil
attempts at plonking.

> also fairly explaining polite answers generally seem
> to work well with him.

The epic threads this guy started on other newsgroups seem
to contradict that notion.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Richard Crowley wrote:

>> Peter Larsen wrote:

>> Radium doesn't harm anyone ...

> The epic threads this guy started on other newsgroups seem
> to contradict that notion.

Oh yes, we've also seen them at least here and in r.a.t. but it is not
Radium that posts the follow-ups and the follow-ups to the follow-ups to the
...... also he doesn't change moniker that rapidly, I've only had to plonk
him twice, he is not like Chung over in the diabetes newsgroups ....

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Richard Crowley]

Peter Larsen wrote:
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
>>> Peter Larsen wrote:
>
>>> Radium doesn't harm anyone ...
>
>> The epic threads this guy started on other newsgroups seem
>> to contradict that notion.
>
> Oh yes, we've also seen them at least here and in r.a.t. but it is not
> Radium that posts the follow-ups and the follow-ups to the follow-ups
> to the .....

Perhaps not here in r.a.p. But That is not typical of his
behavior in other newsgroups (like rec.video.*) You can
check it out for yourself on the google archives if you don't
believe me.

> also he doesn't change moniker that rapidly, I've only
> had to plonk him twice, he is not like Chung over in the diabetes
> newsgroups ....

If you read other newsgroups he haunts, you would have plonked
him many more times than that.

[.[_3_]]

GreenXenon > écrivait
:

<snip>
>
> Because SY99 has electric parts, I can't wash it with water.
>
<snip>

Yes you can, some electronics recycling facilities do that all the time giving second life
to some useful circuit boards. You must just make sure it is completely dry before applying
some current to it. The best way to do it is to take the device apart and wash and dry each
board separately, I suggest an hair dryer for the drying part.

..