Mackie CR-1604 signal routing question clarified

[mark steven brooks]

Hi all, thanks to those who responded to my question about how to send
reverb to the cans and a different effects feed to the tape recorder.
First I should mention that this is not my mixer, I'll be doing this for
a friend on his setup. What he wants to do is to just send the reverb
to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry. So this simplifies it.
What would be the easiest way to do this?

Many thanks.

[Laurence Payne[_2_]]

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:25:26 -0400, mark steven brooks
> wrote:

>Hi all, thanks to those who responded to my question about how to send
>reverb to the cans and a different effects feed to the tape recorder.
>First I should mention that this is not my mixer, I'll be doing this for
>a friend on his setup. What he wants to do is to just send the reverb
>to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry. So this simplifies it.
>What would be the easiest way to do this?

Feed the reverb box from an Aux Send. Return it to a channel. Assign
that channel to just one output bus, route it to his cans. Route the
other output bus to the recorder.

You haven't mentioned what ELSE he needs to hear in cans, and where
it's coming from.

[Mike Rivers]

mark steven brooks wrote:

> What he wants to do is to just send the reverb
> to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry. So this simplifies it. What
> would be the easiest way to do this?

No, it doesn't simplify it. It complicates it, assuming that he's
expecting to
connect the headphones to the headphone jack on the mixer. If he has
an outboard headphone amplifier, it will be simple. There's no simple
way to get around the limitations of how the Mackie mixer is wired.




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[mark steven brooks]

Laurence Payne wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:25:26 -0400, mark steven brooks
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi all, thanks to those who responded to my question about how to send
>> reverb to the cans and a different effects feed to the tape recorder.
>> First I should mention that this is not my mixer, I'll be doing this for
>> a friend on his setup. What he wants to do is to just send the reverb
>> to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry. So this simplifies it.
>> What would be the easiest way to do this?
>
> Feed the reverb box from an Aux Send. Return it to a channel. Assign
> that channel to just one output bus, route it to his cans. Route the
> other output bus to the recorder.
>
> You haven't mentioned what ELSE he needs to hear in cans, and where
> it's coming from.

She needs to hear a pre-recorded piano track coming from the same deck
that she'll be recording to.

[mark steven brooks]

Laurence Payne wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:25:26 -0400, mark steven brooks
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi all, thanks to those who responded to my question about how to send
>> reverb to the cans and a different effects feed to the tape recorder.
>> First I should mention that this is not my mixer, I'll be doing this for
>> a friend on his setup. What he wants to do is to just send the reverb
>> to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry. So this simplifies it.
>> What would be the easiest way to do this?
>
> Feed the reverb box from an Aux Send. Return it to a channel. Assign
> that channel to just one output bus, route it to his cans. Route the
> other output bus to the recorder.
>
> You haven't mentioned what ELSE he needs to hear in cans, and where
> it's coming from.

Oh, and the recording deck is being fed the mains out of the mixer.

[Laurence Payne[_2_]]

>> You haven't mentioned what ELSE he needs to hear in cans, and where
>> it's coming from.
>
>She needs to hear a pre-recorded piano track coming from the same deck
>that she'll be recording to.


>Oh, and the recording deck is being fed the mains out of the mixer.

This really is very simple. Like I said, feed the reverb back into a
channel. Feed the piano track into another couple of channels. Then
work out how the Mackie's 3/4 output bus works, and how to route it to
the headphone jack.

I wonder what this "recording deck" is? If it turns out to be a
reasonably efficient DAW a whole new set of options opens up (plus a
whole new opportunity for some people to whinge about monitoring
vocals through a few ms delay :-)

For goodness' sake get to this session early enough to do a few trial
recordings before the talent arrives! If he gives his best
performance on the first take, and you haven't sorted the technicals
out, you're going to look a bit of a twit :-)

[Ethan Winer[_3_]]

On Jun 6, 12:25 am, mark steven brooks >
wrote:
> What he wants to do is to just send the reverb to the headphones, the mix needs to be dry.

I already addressed this in your other thread:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/mixer2daw.html

--Ethan

[mark steven brooks]

> For goodness' sake get to this session early enough to do a few trial
> recordings before the talent arrives! If he gives his best
> performance on the first take, and you haven't sorted the technicals
> out, you're going to look a bit of a twit :-)

Everything went fine, I used aux 3+4 to send the signal to the deck, the
singer heard the reverb in her cans but it did not print. On mixdown I
replugged the deck inputs into the mixer main outs.

Seem reasaonable?

[Laurence Payne[_2_]]

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:46:11 -0400, mark steven brooks
> wrote:

>
>> For goodness' sake get to this session early enough to do a few trial
>> recordings before the talent arrives! If he gives his best
>> performance on the first take, and you haven't sorted the technicals
>> out, you're going to look a bit of a twit :-)
>
>Everything went fine, I used aux 3+4 to send the signal to the deck, the
>singer heard the reverb in her cans but it did not print. On mixdown I
>replugged the deck inputs into the mixer main outs.
>
>Seem reasaonable?


Except there was no need to replug. Aux 3+4 were doing the job very
well, could have continued doing so.

It seems intuitive that the main job - be it a recorder or the FOH in
a PA system should get the "main" output. Not always so.