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[Jenn[_2_]]

What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
around $1200 used or new?

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
Jenn > wrote:

> What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> so highly of?

Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.

> For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
> around $1200 used or new?

New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B.

Stephen

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > so highly of?
>
> Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.

Thanks. I thought that you had some Spendors or something?

>
> > For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
> > around $1200 used or new?
>
> New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B.

Thanks again!

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
Jenn > wrote:

> In article >,
> MiNe 109 > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > > so highly of?
> >
> > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
>
> Thanks. I thought that you had some Spendors or something?

The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC

Stephen

> > > For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
> > > around $1200 used or new?
> >
> > New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B.
>
> Thanks again!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW2 > wrote:

> On Jun 2, 7:40*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > so highly of? *For everyone: *what used speakers would you look at for
> > around $1200 used or new?
>
> http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrplan&1248051163&/QUAD-ESL-63-
>
> How big is your room and what type of listening?

It's what should be a dining room, something like 12x14, without a wall
behind the listener (opens into the living room. Ceiling slops up
toward the listener, starts at 8' at the speakers, raises to about 10'
at the listener. Almost entirely classical music of all sorts. I want
it to sound great at the listening position. When it is just on as
background music for the whole house, the sound isn't critical.

> I put my Quads out
> in my pool room and they're kind of weak compared to my former set
> up. If you can't sit in their ideal sweet spot, they just don't
> sparkle. For casual listening I'd opt for something with more
> dispersion.

That's what I've heard.

>
> In that price range for new I'd consider some bookshelfs with a plan
> to add a sub.
> Paradigm S1s or Spendor S3/5 properly mated with a sub will compete
> with any speaker system IMO. Getting better is a matter of
> preference. Good luck.

Thanks for the ideas.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 2, 8:46�pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> �Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > �MiNe 109 � > wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > �Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > > > so highly of?
>
> > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
>
> > Thanks. �I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
>
> The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC

I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes
might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC
sound but I love it.

I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up.
For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.

I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to
about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.

I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they
have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a
used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of
them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you
take a big risk in damaging them.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > ?Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > ?MiNe 109 ? > wrote:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you
> > > > > speak
> > > > > so highly of?
> >
> > > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
> >
> > > Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
> >
> > The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC
>
> I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
> find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
> hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes
> might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC
> sound but I love it.
>
> I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
> thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up.
> For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.
>
> I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
> They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to
> about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.
>
> I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they
> have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a
> used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of
> them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you
> take a big risk in damaging them.

Thanks. I understand about the Quads. That's why picking them up and
avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long
standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real plus.
THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger Quads.

All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my
Vandersteens tonight. Tough to beat!

Thanks for the tips!

[[email protected]]

My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.

Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
amps.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 2, 11:13�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 � > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > ?MiNe 109 ? > wrote:
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >,
> > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you
> > > > > > speak
> > > > > > so highly of?
>
> > > > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
>
> > > > Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
>
> > > The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC
>
> > I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
> > find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
> > hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes
> > might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC
> > sound but I love it.
>
> > I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
> > thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up.
> > For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.
>
> > I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
> > They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to
> > about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.
>
> > I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they
> > have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a
> > used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of
> > them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you
> > take a big risk in damaging them.
>
> Thanks. �I understand about the Quads. �That's why picking them up and
> avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long
> standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real plus. �
> THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger Quads.
>
> All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my
> Vandersteens tonight. �Tough to beat!
>
> Thanks for the tips!

Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 2, 11:54�pm, wrote:
> �My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.

Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
>
> �Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> amps.

Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.

[Jenn[_2_]]

> wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:13�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 � > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> >
> > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > ?MiNe 109 ? > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >,
> > > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've
> > > > > > > heard you
> > > > > > > speak
> > > > > > > so highly of?
> >
> > > > > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > > > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
> >
> > > > > Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
> >
> > > > The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC
> >
> > > I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
> > > find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
> > > hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency
> > > extremes
> > > might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned
> > > BBC
> > > sound but I love it.
> >
> > > I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
> > > thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat
> > > up.
> > > For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.
> >
> > > I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
> > > They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down
> > > to
> > > about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.
> >
> > > I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are
> > > they
> > > have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying
> > > a
> > > used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care
> > > of
> > > them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them,
> > > you
> > > take a big risk in damaging them.
> >
> > Thanks. �I understand about the Quads. �That's why picking them up
> > and
> > avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long
> > standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real
> > plus. �
> > THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger
> > Quads.
> >
> > All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my
> > Vandersteens tonight. �Tough to beat!
> >
> > Thanks for the tips!
>
> Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time.

Yep. Plays fiddle too.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time.
>
> Yep. Plays fiddle too.

That's appalling to certain music-hating audiophiles. According to Arnii
Krooborg, "musos" are "unreliable" when it comes to listening.


--

"Music is irrelavant to audio." -- A. Krooger, RAO, 2005

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote:
> > ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
>
> Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.

Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.

> > ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> > amps.
>
> Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.

Some people like them both.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

MiNe 109 said:

> > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
>
> Some people like them both.

Wait a second here. I'm white and I was more impressed with some huge ESLs
(not Quad, maybe ML) than I've ever been with planars. However, I'm also
ethnically Jewish, so I'm supposed to be too cheap to consider anything
other than dynamics.

We need racial clarity to figure this out.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 3, 12:29�pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote:
> > > ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
>
> > Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> > opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> > low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
>
> Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.

Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall. Quads need
to be well out into the room.

>
> > > ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> > > amps.
>
> > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
>
> Some people like them both.

I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's
amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of
Martin Logan.

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 3, 12:29?pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote:
> > > > ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > > > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > > > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
> >
> > > Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> > > opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> > > low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
> >
> > Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.
>
> Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall.

Especially those corner-horns.

> Quads need to be well out into the room.

Mine do okay close to the sidewalls, which is good because otherwise I
couldn't walk between them.

> > > > ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> > > > amps.
> >
> > > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
> >
> > Some people like them both.
>
> I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's
> amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of
> Martin Logan.

I really like what I've heard from the Summit. I guess CLX design
elements are trickling down to new products.

Stephen

[Trevor Wilson]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
> around $1200 used or new?

**See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them
for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned:
The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps
may not apply), particularly when clipped.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[[email protected]]

On Jun 3, 3:18�pm, "Trevor Wilson" >
wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > so highly of? �For everyone: �what used speakers would you look at for
> > around $1200 used or new?
>
> **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them
> for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
> more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
> found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
> Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned:
> The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps
> may not apply), particularly when clipped.

I'll second this recommendation. NEAR speakers are exceptional, and
underappreciated in the US.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 3, 11:58�am, Jenn > wrote:
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 11:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >,
>
> > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article >,
> > > > > > ?MiNe 109 ? > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've
> > > > > > > > heard you
> > > > > > > > speak
> > > > > > > > so highly of?
>
> > > > > > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > > > > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
>
> > > > > > Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
>
> > > > > The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC
>
> > > > I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
> > > > find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
> > > > hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency
> > > > extremes
> > > > might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned
> > > > BBC
> > > > sound but I love it.
>
> > > > I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
> > > > thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat
> > > > up.
> > > > For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.
>
> > > > I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
> > > > They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down
> > > > to
> > > > about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.
>
> > > > I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are
> > > > they
> > > > have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying
> > > > a
> > > > used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care
> > > > of
> > > > them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them,
> > > > you
> > > > take a big risk in damaging them.
>
> > > Thanks. I understand about the Quads. That's why picking them up
> > > and
> > > avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long
> > > standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real
> > > plus.
> > > THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger
> > > Quads.
>
> > > All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my
> > > Vandersteens tonight. Tough to beat!
>
> > > Thanks for the tips!
>
> > Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time.
>
> Yep. Plays fiddle too.-

His son is a bit of a prodigy on mandolin as well. When i lived in LA,
I kept trying to see Gene and his son play in their bluegrass
ensemble. They used to play at a club in Ventura once a month, but my
schedule at the time always prevented me from going.

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 3, 3:18?pm, "Trevor Wilson" >
> wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > > so highly of? ?For everyone: ?what used speakers would you look at for
> > > around $1200 used or new?
> >
> > **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them
> > for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
> > more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
> > found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
> > Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned:
> > The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps
> > may not apply), particularly when clipped.
>
> I'll second this recommendation. NEAR speakers are exceptional, and
> underappreciated in the US.

Fortunately, the Rock Landscape Speaker is still in production.

Stephen

[[email protected]]

On Jun 3, 5:01�pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 3:18?pm, "Trevor Wilson" >
> > wrote:
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > > > so highly of? ?For everyone: ?what used speakers would you look at for
> > > > around $1200 used or new?
>
> > > **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them
> > > for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
> > > more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
> > > found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
> > > Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned:
> > > The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps
> > > may not apply), particularly when clipped.
>
> > I'll second this recommendation. NEAR speakers are exceptional, and
> > underappreciated in the US.
>
> Fortunately, the Rock Landscape Speaker is still in production.

Those speakers rock.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 3, 11:58?am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > > On Jun 2, 11:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ,
> >
> > > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > > In article >,
> > > > > > > ?MiNe 109 ? > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > net>,
> > > > > > > > ?Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've
> > > > > > > > > heard you
> > > > > > > > > speak
> > > > > > > > > so highly of?
> >
> > > > > > > > Infinity Primus 150: out of production.
> > > > > > > > Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc.
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something?
> >
> > > > > > The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC
> >
> > > > > I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can
> > > > > find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few
> > > > > hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency
> > > > > extremes
> > > > > might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned
> > > > > BBC
> > > > > sound but I love it.
> >
> > > > > I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I
> > > > > thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat
> > > > > up.
> > > > > For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition.
> >
> > > > > I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair.
> > > > > They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down
> > > > > to
> > > > > about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money.
> >
> > > > > I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are
> > > > > they
> > > > > have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying
> > > > > a
> > > > > used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care
> > > > > of
> > > > > them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them,
> > > > > you
> > > > > take a big risk in damaging them.
> >
> > > > Thanks. I understand about the Quads. That's why picking them up
> > > > and
> > > > avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long
> > > > standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real
> > > > plus.
> > > > THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger
> > > > Quads.
> >
> > > > All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my
> > > > Vandersteens tonight. Tough to beat!
> >
> > > > Thanks for the tips!
> >
> > > Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time.
> >
> > Yep. Plays fiddle too.-
>
> His son is a bit of a prodigy on mandolin as well.

A few months ago, I was hanging around Gryphon Strings in Palo Alto (I
was also there today), and there was a young man just TEARING IT UP on
mando. A moment later, I was surprised to see Gene, totally out of our
usual context. The young man was, of course, his son.

> When i lived in LA,
> I kept trying to see Gene and his son play in their bluegrass
> ensemble. They used to play at a club in Ventura once a month

They still do.

>, but my
> schedule at the time always prevented me from going.

I haven't made it down there yet either. Perhaps this summer.
Bluegrass isn't my favorite music, but it's fairly closely related to
one side of my musical life.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Trevor Wilson" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
> > so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
> > around $1200 used or new?
>
> **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them
> for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
> more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
> found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
> Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned:
> The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps
> may not apply), particularly when clipped.

Thanks!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 3, 12:29?pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote:
> > > > ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > > > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > > > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
> >
> > > Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> > > opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> > > low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
> >
> > Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.
>
> Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall. Quads need
> to be well out into the room.
>
> >
> > > > ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> > > > amps.
> >
> > > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
> >
> > Some people like them both.
>
> I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's
> amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of
> Martin Logan.

In the past, I had MGIcs and ML Sequel IIs. Both grand speakers.

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On Jun 3, 3:10�pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 12:29?pm, MiNe 109 � > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote:
> > > > > ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > > > > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > > > > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
>
> > > > Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> > > > opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> > > > low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound..
>
> > > Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.
>
> > Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall.
>
> Especially those corner-horns.
>
> > Quads need to be well out into the room.
>
> Mine do okay close to the sidewalls, which is good because otherwise I
> couldn't walk between them.
>
> > > > > ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right
> > > > > amps.
>
> > > > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
>
> > > Some people like them both.
>
> > I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's
> > amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of
> > Martin Logan.
>
> I really like what I've heard from the Summit. I guess CLX design
> elements are trickling down to new products.

I reviewed the ML Purity, which is an active model that retails for
only $3K. The speakers use Class D switching amps, which means that
the midrange and highs are slightly on the dry side, but the
soundstage is gigantic and the bass is deep. It's a huge bargain.

I've heard the CLX many times and it is a world-class system
(especially with the Descent subwoofers), but it's surprising how
close the new Summit Xs come at a much lower price.

[Trevor Wilson]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Trevor Wilson" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you
>> > speak
>> > so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for
>> > around $1200 used or new?
>>
>> **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find
>> them
>> for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably
>> more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've
>> found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform.
>> Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be
>> warned:
>> The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube
>> amps
>> may not apply), particularly when clipped.
>
> Thanks!

**You're welcome. Another of my favourite, used speakers, is the Infinity
Rennaisance 90. Very impressive product. It too, requires very good
amplification, but is a much larger speaker. Bang for your Buck though, the
NEAR 10M-II is so far ahead of anything else, it simply doesn't matter.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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>
> > Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> > opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> > low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
>
> Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas.

I am grudgingly forced to agree....

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On Jun 3, 2:34 pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> MiNe 109 said:
>
> > > Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too.
>
> > Some people like them both.
>
> Wait a second here. I'm white and I was more impressed with some huge ESLs
> (not Quad, maybe ML) than I've ever been with planars. However, I'm also
> ethnically Jewish, so I'm supposed to be too cheap to consider anything
> other than dynamics.
>
> We need racial clarity to figure this out.

Avery Fisher and Saul Marantz were both Jews and both used only top
quality parts and good construction practices. And Julius Futterman
was a fanatic as well, though his amps were pretty cantankerous
designwise. So the fault of Jews is not cheapness.

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On Jun 3, 12:55 pm, wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:54 pm, wrote:
>
> > My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
> > or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you
> > really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns.
>
> Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the
> opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a
> low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.
>

No, they need replacement of the horrid T-35 EV tweeter and rework of
the midrange horn and/or crossover. A low power amp, IF it is flat in
terms of response and has a reasonable damping factor, won't make any
difference, but the average SET with no feedbsck (or in the case of
the WE 91, feedback, but not around the OPT where it is needed) will
roll off the high end.

Quads are also amp fussy and in the case of the old ones positively
will not tolerate overdriving them, so the old Quad II is often the
preferred amp for them. A lot of people also like the Quad II for
klipsches, oddly enough. I greatly enjoy the later sold state Quad
amps myself, but onbly when modded to modern standards.