The Real Snake Oil Salesman

[cal coolidge]

It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
Method. They simply said "it can't work."

Whenever the subject of audio tweaks, these true snake oil salesman
bring up such items as green pens, CD clarifiers and other products
that fell by the wayside because they didn't hold up to scrutiny. The
fact is, most of these products were being pushed 10-15 years ago. Yet
these individuals feel that these tweaks continue to be a viable
argument against high-end audio. The simple truth is that these
individuals have limited exposure to high-end audio. Bratzi bases his
views on the high-end on occasional visits to the local "audio
saloon," and Arny bases his on a quick tour of the showfloor back at
HE 2005. (In fact, Arny just bashed Lowther speakers on another Usenet
NG based upon a single, short audition. That's not science.)

Someone here once said that a real engineer always asks "How can that
work?" instead of "That can't work." That's what it comes down
to...Arny, Scott and Bratzi have dubious qualifications to comment
upon high end audio. When they leave their computers and go out into
the real world and actually try some of these products for themselves,
then they will have valid comments to make.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 11, 2:35�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 1:50�pm, wrote:
>
> > On 11 Apr, 15:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > yet you believe in dubious snake oil money schemes, with unreal funny
> > money.
>
> �As in they exist...yeah, I believe in that which is known to exist.
>
> > of course! none of your local merchants
> > 'would never rip you off/
>
> �I think that cheap ass Romanian brew is affecting you.
> �Go back and read what I wrote.
> Then if you rant nonsensically again....I'll know the cheap brew
> should be avoided.
>
> How's that for a scientific approach Calvin?

Is that your problem? Are you a drinker?

[[email protected]]

On 11 Apr, 17:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 1:50*pm, wrote:
>
> > On 11 Apr, 15:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > yet you believe in dubious snake oil money schemes, with unreal funny
> > money.
>
> *As in they exist...yeah, I believe in that which is known to exist.
>
> > of course! none of your local merchants
> > 'would never rip you off/
>
> *I think that cheap ass Romanian brew is affecting you.
> *Go back and read what I wrote.
> Then if you rant nonsensically again....I'll know the cheap brew
> should be avoided.
>
> How's that for a scientific approach Calvin?
>
> ScottW

demagnetizers exist, so you believe in them
funny money exists, so you beleive in that
that's real depth you have given us.

I am not calvin wwhat are you drinking?

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 11, 2:43�pm, wrote:
> On 11 Apr, 17:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:50�pm, wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Apr, 15:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > yet you believe in dubious snake oil money schemes, with unreal funny
> > > money.
>
> > �As in they exist...yeah, I believe in that which is known to exist.
>
> > > of course! none of your local merchants
> > > 'would never rip you off/
>
> > �I think that cheap ass Romanian brew is affecting you.
> > �Go back and read what I wrote.
> > Then if you rant nonsensically again....I'll know the cheap brew
> > should be avoided.
>
> > How's that for a scientific approach Calvin?
>
> > ScottW
>
> demagnetizers exist, so you believe in them
> funny money exists, so you beleive in that
> that's real depth you have given us.
>
> I am not calvin wwhat are you drinking?

That's a pretty good impersonation of Scott. Maybe you're his
sockpuppet!

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 11, 2:30�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 1:05�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 12:35 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 11, 11:53 am, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff,
>
> > > Calvin...even if the 2k demagnetizer worked...it's still a ripoff.
> > > Ripoff as in ridiculously overpriced.
>
> > That was my point...that it worked but I agreed it was too expensive.
>
> �So in your opinion it's still a ripoff. �I guess that's a start.
> �IMO, and apparently Atkinsons as well...it remains unproven that
> it works on advertised principles.

Oh, so you believe that marketing is paramount to the value of a
product.

>
> > But in the hands of assholes like you and Bratzi, it suddenly was
> > shifted to suit your agenda.
>
> �What agenda is that? � That ripoffs in audio exist? �LoL.

No, that anything you don't understand is a ripoff.

> Some agenda.
> or maybe this one...that fools and their money are soon parted. �LoL.

For that, you would need to supply proof. All you have is snake oil.
>
>
>
> > > > yet not one of
> > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > Method.
>
> > > Nor did the schmucks who touted it with reviews....do you wonder why?
>
> > Did I mention reviews? �I don't think I did. I was commenting on my
> > own experience with it.
>
> �Pardon me if I treat your experience as another usenet anecdote.

Feel free. And I'll treat your experience as that of another angry
middle-aged man who is venting on the Internet.
>
>
>
> > > > They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > Even Atkinson doubts it works as a demagnetizer.
> > > Do you wonder why?
>
> > Of course I do. But with biased and ignorant people doubting its
> > veracity without testing it, we'll never find out why on this forum.
>
> �LoL. � Do you really think Atkinson is that big a wimp that
> I control what he wants to post?

I never thought that for a second. I'm trying to figure out why YOU
would think that.

> �Wow...If I was John, I'd be insulted by your implications of a less
> than stout spine.

Hi, Arny!
>
>
>
> > > > Whenever the subject of audio tweaks, these true snake oil salesman
>
> > > LoL. If you insist I'm selling then you should pay me.
>
> > Why would I pay you?
>
> �Cuz apparently I sold you something...or you bought something.
> Either way, I demand payment.
>
> > Or didn't you think that out before you wrote it?
>
> �No, your delusions are not something I ponder before
> posting. �Sorry.

Thanks for admitting that you don't think before you post. No wonder
you're such a fan of right-wing blogs.

>
>
>
> > > > bring up such items as green pens, CD clarifiers and other products
> > > > that fell by the wayside because they didn't hold up to scrutiny.
>
> > > I see it on furutech site if I search demag....but it can't be found
> > > under any product category. Another item that didn't hold up to
> > > scrutiny perhaps?
>
> > Oh, so you have the sales figures handy? �You don't? �Your comment
> > sounds like snake oil.
>
> Here's a furutech retailer site.....everything but the infamous demag.
> Wonder why?
>
> http://www.vhaudio.com/furutech.html

That doesn't address what I said. Are people buying it, or are they
not? I personally know a few audiophile and LP societies have
purchased both that and the disc flattener for all the members. That
addresses the cost issue.
>
>
>
> > > > The
> > > > fact is, most of these products were being pushed 10-15 years ago. Yet
> > > > these individuals feel that these tweaks continue to be a viable
> > > > argument against high-end audio.
>
> > > Against high-end audio? Now you're just making **** up.
> > > These items are a curse on high-end audio turning the hobby into a
> > > joke in many peoples view.
>
> > That was a more realistic comment a few years ago.
>
> �What changed in the past few years?

Well, most of these tweaks were proven to be nonsense.

>
> > �The reason why
> > these people think the hobby is turning into a joke is that they're
> > living in the past.
>
> � Is turning? �Hell...it turned a decade or more ago.

It turned back, too.

>
> > �The truth is people like you, Bratzi and Arny
> > really don't know what's going on in audio these days.
>
> Why don't you tell us?

When a meaningful audio discussion pops up, I will. I tried that with
the Furutech, but three ignorant assholes messed that up.
>
> > �You wrote
> > everything off years ago and failed to see the market corrections.
>
> �More BS. �Is that why I've got new speakers less than a year old?
> �Is that why I've got a new DAC and room EQ?
> Is that why I tried some improved bass management in the last year?

So you do have something to contribute to the group audio-wise. Silly
me, I thought you just wanted to talk about right-wing political
blogs.

>
> Stop with the platitudes. You're simply full of BS.

That's what you say to everyone who makes you look dumb.

>
> > �You
> > guys sound like Ferstler who used to swing his wrecking ball at
> > buildings that weren't there anymore.
>
> �LoL. �I didn't bring up BS snake oil technology.
> I think S'puke did.

I don't know who S'puke is.
>
>
>
> > > Audiophiles used to be a respected group of hobbiests with sound
> > > technical knowledge devoted to advancing and enjoying SOTA music
> > > reproduction.
> > > Now they're mostly perceived as lunatics prone to being easily
> > > deceived by BS
> > > adverts and crackpot review rags.
>
> > Again, that's a stereotype that may have been true a few years ago.
>
> � Decades to create and altered in a few years? �LoL.

No, the market simply closed down that segment of the market. Do these
products still exist? Yes. Is anyone buying them? Not really. I
really don't know anyone who buys and uses theses tweaks. It's a non-
issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > The simple truth is that these
> > > > individuals have limited exposure to high-end audio. Bratzi bases his
> > > > views on the high-end on occasional visits to the local "audio
> > > > saloon," and Arny bases his on a quick tour of the showfloor back at
> > > > HE 2005. (In fact, Arny just bashed Lowther speakers on another Usenet
> > > > NG based upon a single, short audition. That's not science.)
>
> > > > Someone here once said that a real engineer always asks "How can that
> > > > work?"
>
> > > Asked and answered.
>
> > Really, Arny? �Please explain.
>
> �It can't work.

Why not? Because vinyl isn't magnetic? I'll be waiting for your lab
results before I make any conclusions.
>
>
>
> > > > instead of "That can't work."
>
> > > You just don't like the answer.
>
> > Your answer is incorrect.
>
> �Take it up with Atkinson...he's heard one and doubts the validity of
> the manufacturers claims.

We're not talking about the manufacturer's claims. We're talking about
whether or not it makes an audible difference. JA found that it does.
I found that it did. You...well, you haven't done your homework.

>
>
>
> > > > That's what it comes down
> > > > to...Arny, Scott and Bratzi have dubious qualifications to comment
> > > > upon high end audio.
>
> > > I'm just a hobbyist posting my opinion.
> > > What are your "qualifications" Calvin?
> > > A belief in magic?
>
> > A belief in the Scientific method when it comes to making conclusions,
> > perhaps. That's something you're not willing to do.
>
> �Yeah Calvin, I'm counting on you on this one to prove me
> wrong...though not holding my breath.

I did prove it. You never heard the Furutech for yourself, and yet
you're concluding it cannot work. You didn't use the Scientific
method. End of story.
>
>
>
> > > > When they leave their computers and go out into
> > > > the real world and actually try some of these products for themselves,
> > > > then they will have valid comments to make.
>
> > > Enjoy your $2K vinyl demagnetizer.
>
> > False claim. I don't own one, snake oil salesman.
>
> �Why not?

Read my lips: it's too expensive. How many times do I have to repeat
myself? I know you're just avoiding this because it makes your point
completely irrelevant.

>
>
>
> > With all the products of merit
>
> > > I'd like to hear, this one won't ever be on my list, especially based
> > > upon your claims.
>
> > Not something a Man of Science would say in a million years.
>
> �BS...simple matter of priorities and lack of time.
> I'll focus on things of reasonable chance of having merit
> before going after floobydust items everytime.
> Scientists are little different.

Irrelevant. It's not a matter of whether you should search these
things out. You opened your big mouth about it, be accountable.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 11, 5:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:

> *Yup, which doesn't mean I advocate their use
> in spite of your unjustified implication to the contrary.

Who cares? You is a imbecile.

[[email protected]]

On 11 Apr, 18:13, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2:43*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11 Apr, 17:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 11, 1:50*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > On 11 Apr, 15:35, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > yet you believe in dubious snake oil money schemes, with unreal funny
> > > > money.
>
> > > *As in they exist...yeah, I believe in that which is known to exist..
>
> > > > of course! none of your local merchants
> > > > 'would never rip you off/
>
> > > *I think that cheap ass Romanian brew is affecting you.
> > > *Go back and read what I wrote.
> > > Then if you rant nonsensically again....I'll know the cheap brew
> > > should be avoided.
>
> > > How's that for a scientific approach Calvin?
>
> > > ScottW
>
> > demagnetizers exist, so you believe in them
> > funny money exists, so you beleive in that
>
> *Yup, which doesn't mean I advocate their use
> in spite of your unjustified implication to the contrary.
>
> ScottW-

AFA funny money, you did

[Arny Krueger]

On Apr 11, 2:53*pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
> It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> Method. They simply said "it can't work."

It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
the insane rantings that you post here.

Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
something that is made out of vinyl.

Cal, would you be so kind as to post your CV so that we could use it
to diagnose how it is possible for a person to actually believe the
utter crap that you post here.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 14, 12:16�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 14, 8:38�am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 2:53�pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> �I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.

Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
the moment.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 14, 1:04�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:26�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > the moment.
>
> �I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> demagnemagic machine.

So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!

By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
graves. Then again, it looks like you pretty much abandoned your
principles a long time ago.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Language abuse! Getcher language abuse here! Red-hot language abuse!

> > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > the moment.
>
> I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> demagnemagic machine.

Are you seriously trying to insult an inanimate object, Witless? Or is
this one of your lame-ass 'jokes'?


--

"It is you who are completely unaware of what I perceive until
I choose to tell you. I rarely do."
-- Scottie Witlessmongrel, RAO, Feb. 3 2009

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 14, 8:05�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 14, 1:17�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny.. All
> > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > the moment.
>
> > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> �douchebags full of snake oil.
>
>
>
> > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > graves.
>
> LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> Postulate a theory
> (vinyl can be demagnetized)

That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
said several times that vinyl is not magnetic. The fact that you keep
bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 15, 1:04*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > Postulate a theory
> > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> The fact that you keep
> bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.

There's also an intelligence factor involved.

Let me be the first to civilly say that 2pid are a imbecile.

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 11:38*am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2:53*pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> Cal, would you be so kind as to post your CV so that we could use it
> to diagnose how it is possible for a person to actually believe the
> utter crap that you post here.

his CV states that he is a normal human being

[ScottW2]

On Apr 14, 11:04*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > graves.
>
> > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > Postulate a theory
> > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.

So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.

LoL. Yeah...I'll buy that one.

> The fact that you keep
> bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.

I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
a cup of coffee.

ScottW

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 15, 11:13�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 14, 11:04�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > graves.
>
> > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > Postulate a theory
> > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> LoL. � Yeah...I'll buy that one.

Why do you have to keep "inventing" my position in order to argue
against it? That shows an astounding lack of confidence in your own
point of view.

>
> > �The fact that you keep
> > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> �I admit you think you heard a difference. �That and 2$ might get you
> a cup of coffee.

Most people hear a difference. You don't have any experience with the
device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.

I've listened to reactions of knowledgeable engineers on this product,
and their response is to investigate WHY it works. You, on the other
hand, are an Internet nobody, hence your inability to use the
Scientific method to formulate an informed opinion.

[ScottW2]

On Apr 15, 11:20*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:13 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 11:04 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll..
>
> > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > graves.
>
> > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > LoL. Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> Why do you have to keep "inventing" my position in order to argue
> against it? *That shows an astounding lack of confidence in your own
> point of view.
>
>
>
> > > The fact that you keep
> > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
> > a cup of coffee.
>
> Most people hear a difference.

How do rationalize that conclusion?
Please provide statistics that can project a majority opinion
based upon your sample.
Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting.

> You don't have any experience with the
> device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.

The merits are unknown as the principle upon which the device
operates as put forth by the manufacturer has been rejected by you.

>
> I've listened to reactions of knowledgeable engineers on this product,
> and their response is to investigate WHY it works.

Let me know when you have their findings. I'm not holding my breath
on this one either.

> You, on the other
> hand, are an Internet nobody,

I'm just one step above a dead president...LoL.

ScottW

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 15, 1:20*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:13 am, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
> > a cup of coffee.
>
> Most people hear a difference. You don't have any experience with the
> device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.
>
> You, on the other hand, are an Internet nobody, hence your inability to use the
> Scientific method to formulate an informed opinion.

2pid affirms his right to be an Internet somebody! How dare you have
delusions of omnipotence!

And how dare you accuse 2pid of having an informed opinion! He works
day and night to insure that nobody can accuse him of that!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 15, 2:01*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:20*am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:

> > *You, on the other
> > hand, are an Internet nobody,
>
> *I'm just one step above a dead president...LoL.

Damn. You had a 50-50 chance and you blew it. LoL.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 15, 12:01�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:20�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:13 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 11:04 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > > graves.
>
> > > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > > LoL. Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > Why do you have to keep "inventing" my position in order to argue
> > against it? �That shows an astounding lack of confidence in your own
> > point of view.
>
> > > > The fact that you keep
> > > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > > I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
> > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > Most people hear a difference.
>
> �How do rationalize that conclusion?
> Please provide statistics that can project a majority opinion
> based upon your sample.
> Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting.

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who is using a sample size of
ZERO. LoL. You sound like a guy who has to turn on the TV to find out
if it's raining outside.

>
> > �You don't have any experience with the
> > device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.
>
> The merits are unknown as the principle upon which the device
> operates as put forth by the manufacturer has been rejected by you.

Only after you have twisted my statement into something that fulfills
those criteria. When you look at what I've actually said vs. what you
think I said, it's obvious that you're incapable of admitiing that
you're wrong about anything.

Only stupid people do that.

>
>
>
> > I've listened to reactions of knowledgeable engineers on this product,
> > and their response is to investigate WHY it works.
>
> �Let me know when you have their findings. �I'm not holding my breath
> on this one either.

One of them lives in Mission Viejo. Perhaps I could arrange a meeting.

>
> > �You, on the other
> > hand, are an Internet nobody,
>
> �I'm just one step above a dead president...LoL.

That only makes sense if you genuinely believe that I'm Calvin
Coolidge. He died in 1933, if that clears it up for you.

[ScottW2]

On Apr 15, 6:35*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 12:01 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:20 am, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 11:13 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 11:04 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > > > graves.
>
> > > > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > > > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > > > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > > > LoL. Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > > Why do you have to keep "inventing" my position in order to argue
> > > against it? That shows an astounding lack of confidence in your own
> > > point of view.
>
> > > > > The fact that you keep
> > > > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > > > I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
> > > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > > Most people hear a difference.
>
> > How do rationalize that conclusion?
> > Please provide statistics that can project a majority opinion
> > based upon your sample.
> > Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting.
>
> That's pretty funny coming from a guy who is using a sample size of
> ZERO.

No product sampling required when the operating principle has already
been rejected.
Human perception though is far less reliable.
A high percentage delusional loons abound.


> LoL. You sound like a guy who has to turn on the TV to find out
> if it's raining outside.
>
>
>
> > > You don't have any experience with the
> > > device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.
>
> > The merits are unknown as the principle upon which the device
> > operates as put forth by the manufacturer has been rejected by you.
>
> Only after you have twisted my statement into something that fulfills
> those criteria.

Do you want to retract your statement that vinyl is not magnetic?

> When you look at what I've actually said vs. what you
> think I said, it's obvious that you're incapable of admitiing that
> you're wrong about anything.
>
> Only stupid people do that.

I see this conversation is no longer about the audio
viability of a demagnetizer. Too bad you had no
answer for the 50 nT data from the OEM.


>
>
>
> > > I've listened to reactions of knowledgeable engineers on this product,
> > > and their response is to investigate WHY it works.
>
> > Let me know when you have their findings. I'm not holding my breath
> > on this one either.
>
> One of them lives in Mission Viejo. Perhaps I could arrange a meeting.

To debate the validity of 50nT? What a hoot.
I'm here anytime.


>
> > > You, on the other
> > > hand, are an Internet nobody,
>
> > I'm just one step above a dead president...LoL.
>
> That only makes sense if you genuinely believe that I'm Calvin
> Coolidge. He died in 1933, if that clears it up for you.

Poor Calvin... a zombie on usenet....in more ways than one.

ScottW

[[email protected]]

On Apr 15, 2:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 14, 11:04*pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > graves.
>
> > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > Postulate a theory
> > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> LoL. * Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > *The fact that you keep
> > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> *I admit you think you heard a difference. *That and 2$ might get you
> a cup of coffee.
>
>
thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same

[ScottW2]

On Apr 15, 8:49*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 11:04*pm, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll..
>
> > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > graves.
>
> > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > LoL. * Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > > *The fact that you keep
> > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > *I admit you think you heard a difference. *That and 2$ might get you
> > a cup of coffee.
>
> thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same

for the moment. One of them has a little more staying power,
the other is often fleeting, there for a moment and then gone.

ScottW

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 15, 8:10�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 6:35�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 12:01 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 11:20 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 11:13 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 11:04 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > > > > graves.
>
> > > > > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > > > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > > > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > > > > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > > > > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > > > > LoL. Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > > > Why do you have to keep "inventing" my position in order to argue
> > > > against it? That shows an astounding lack of confidence in your own
> > > > point of view.
>
> > > > > > The fact that you keep
> > > > > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > > > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > > > > I admit you think you heard a difference. That and 2$ might get you
> > > > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > > > Most people hear a difference.
>
> > > How do rationalize that conclusion?
> > > Please provide statistics that can project a majority opinion
> > > based upon your sample.
> > > Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting.
>
> > That's pretty funny coming from a guy who is using a sample size of
> > ZERO.
>
> �No product sampling required when the operating principle has already
> been rejected.

You haven't demonstrated that you understand the operating principle.
You seem hung up on the whole vinyl-magnetism things and you've
ignored the variables.

> Human perception though is far less reliable.
> A high percentage delusional loons abound.

Agreed.

>
> > LoL. You sound like a guy who has to turn on the TV to find out
> > if it's raining outside.
>
> > > > You don't have any experience with the
> > > > device, so you are not qualified to discuss its merits.
>
> > > The merits are unknown as the principle upon which the device
> > > operates as put forth by the manufacturer has been rejected by you.
>
> > Only after you have twisted my statement into something that fulfills
> > those criteria.
>
> �Do you want to retract your statement that vinyl is not magnetic?

Show where I have said that vinyl is magnetic.

>
> > When you look at what I've actually said vs. what you
> > think I said, it's obvious that you're incapable of admitiing that
> > you're wrong about anything.
>
> > Only stupid people do that.
>
> �I see this conversation is no longer about the audio
> viability of a demagnetizer. � Too bad you had no
> answer for the 50 nT data from the OEM.

It was never about that. I'd say that you're missing the point, but I
know better. you're just trying to avoid admitting that you made an
assumption, based your whole argument on it and now you're trying to
salvage your position. As soon as you show where I said vinyl was
magnetic, we can proceed.

>
>
>
> > > > I've listened to reactions of knowledgeable engineers on this product,
> > > > and their response is to investigate WHY it works.
>
> > > Let me know when you have their findings. I'm not holding my breath
> > > on this one either.
>
> > One of them lives in Mission Viejo. Perhaps I could arrange a meeting.
>
> �To debate the validity of 50nT? �What a hoot.
> �I'm here anytime.

No, to discuss how the device could achieve observable results.

>
>
>
> > > > You, on the other
> > > > hand, are an Internet nobody,
>
> > > I'm just one step above a dead president...LoL.
>
> > That only makes sense if you genuinely believe that I'm Calvin
> > Coolidge. He died in 1933, if that clears it up for you.
>
> �Poor Calvin... a zombie on usenet....in more ways than one.

And you're a big baby who can't admit you made a mistake.

[[email protected]]

On 16 Apr, 00:00, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:49*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 2:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 11:04*pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > > graves.
>
> > > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > > LoL. * Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > > > *The fact that you keep
> > > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > > *I admit you think you heard a difference. *That and 2$ might get you
> > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same
>
> *for the moment. One of them has a little more staying power,
> the other is often fleeting, there for a moment and then gone.
>
> ScottW-

the one that is always there would be what you think you hear.
there is always something there that you think you hear.

On the other hand, if there is something that you somehow
"objectively hear", but yet don't think you
hear it, you really are not hearing the
"objective hearing" at all.
If you don't think you are hearing something, you aren't hearing it.

Hearing is not objective.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 15, 11:14*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:10 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > Poor Calvin... a zombie on usenet....in more ways than one.
>
> And you're a big baby who can't admit you made a mistake.

The other possibility is mental retardation or some other mental
affliction.

One thing I find funny: Dems have a wide range of views. 2pid laughs
at "blue dog" Dems. You have a continuum in the Democratic party from,
say, Lieberman on the right to Kennedy on the left. And the right-
wingers deride that. They in fact cannot handle that.

On the right the republicans have a much, much narrower range. A
"moderate" republican is still very conservative. "Moderate" likely
means that particular republican supports choice and is perhaps
against the death penalty.

If you look at 2pid he whines all of the time about people not
accepting his 'differing POVs'. Yet in the same breath he will deride
any sign of dissention among the Dems. He couldn't understand why a
sitting US Congresswoman's "call to arms" was inappropriate.

It's a curious thing. One one hand you have 2pid almost demanding a
monolithic set of views from political parties. OTOH, you have him
whining about 'intolerance' of other viewpoints.

If 2pid really meant what he said, he'd be more comfortable in the
Democratic party which has always had a wide range of views under its
umbrella. I suspect that 2pid has an unnamed mental affliction, one
perhaps created by the right-wing garbage he fills himself with.

But as we all know, 2pid are a imbecile.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 15, 11:00*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:49*pm, wrote:
> > On Apr 15, 2:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > > *I admit you think you heard a difference. *That and 2$ might get you
> > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same
>
> *for the moment. One of them has a little more staying power,
> the other is often fleeting, there for a moment and then gone.

And this affects you... exactly how?

I bought a used MFSL CD on eBay. Someone had treated it with a green
pen. It's the only one in my collection treated like this. I cannot
hear a difference between it and other MFSL CDs I have (I don't have
more of the same title, so a true comparison is not possible. It's
also a rarer title, so I'm not interested in buying one just for the
sake of comparison.)

Let's just say I *did* think it sounded better. Why should you care
one iota if I went to OfficeMax and spent $1.49 on a green pen and
treated the rest of my CDs? $1.49 means nothing to me and if it helps
me enjoy my music, and if I think it sounds better, who cares? (To put
this in RAO's resident imbecile's terms: "BFD! GMAFB!") LoL.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 16, 6:48�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:14�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:10 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > Poor Calvin... a zombie on usenet....in more ways than one.
>
> > And you're a big baby who can't admit you made a mistake.
>
> The other possibility is mental retardation or some other mental
> affliction.
>
> One thing I find funny: Dems have a wide range of views. 2pid laughs
> at "blue dog" Dems. You have a continuum in the Democratic party from,
> say, Lieberman on the right to Kennedy on the left. And the right-
> wingers deride that. They in fact cannot handle that.
>
> On the right the republicans have a much, much narrower range. A
> "moderate" republican is still very conservative. "Moderate" likely
> means that particular republican supports choice and is perhaps
> against the death penalty.
>
> If you look at 2pid he whines all of the time about people not
> accepting his 'differing POVs'. Yet in the same breath he will deride
> any sign of dissention among the Dems. He couldn't understand why a
> sitting US Congresswoman's "call to arms" was inappropriate.
>
> It's a curious thing. One one hand you have 2pid almost demanding a
> monolithic set of views from political parties. OTOH, you have him
> whining about 'intolerance' of other viewpoints.
>
> If 2pid really meant what he said, he'd be more comfortable in the
> Democratic party which has always had a wide range of views under its
> umbrella. I suspect that 2pid has an unnamed mental affliction, one
> perhaps created by the right-wing garbage he fills himself with.
>
> But as we all know, 2pid are a imbecile.

I've always felt that I'm a centrist, and that most people I encounter
in the real world are as well. It's funny how people like Scott tend
to see things in black and white--either you're with him or you aren't.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 16, 4:54�am, wrote:
> On 16 Apr, 00:00, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:49�pm, wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 2:13�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 11:04�pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 14, 8:05 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:17 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:26 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 12:16 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:38 am, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:53 pm, cal coolidge > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that those who continue to rail against the EHEE may
> > > > > > > > > > > > be frauds themselves. Take people like Scott, Bratzi and Arny. All
> > > > > > > > > > > > three of them claimed that the Furutech was a ripoff, yet not one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > them ever used one and determined the results using the Scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > Method. They simply said "it can't work."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me Calvin, that you're such a fraud that you are unwilling
> > > > > > > > > > > to post under your legal name for fear that you will be connected to
> > > > > > > > > > > the insane rantings that you post here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Even a smart high school student with a few science courses under his
> > > > > > > > > > > belt can tell you why there are no audible benefits to demagnetizing
> > > > > > > > > > > something that is made out of vinyl.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I provided him Furutechs own test results of 50 nT reduction in
> > > > > > > > > > magnetism and pointed out how insignificant that is compared to the
> > > > > > > > > > field strength the tiny magnets of the cart provide.
>
> > > > > > > > > > He crawled under the carpet and will only come out to troll.
>
> > > > > > > > > Responding directly to Arny, I see. You're becoming douchbaggier by
> > > > > > > > > the moment.
>
> > > > > > > > I've got a long way to go to become as douchebaggy as a 50nT
> > > > > > > > demagnemagic machine.
>
> > > > > > > So you think demagnetizing machines are douchebags? LoL!
>
> > > > > > douchebags full of snake oil.
>
> > > > > > > By now we all know that you would be utterly biased in a DBT with this
> > > > > > > machine. I bet your old engineering professors are rolling in their
> > > > > > > graves.
>
> > > > > > LoL...No... their process goes like this...
> > > > > > Postulate a theory
> > > > > > (vinyl can be demagnetized)
>
> > > > > That's where your little choo choo goes off the rails. I think I've
> > > > > said several times that vinyl is not magnetic.
>
> > > > So the demagnetizer is a magical devise that works on
> > > > a principle completely unknown to the manufacturer.
>
> > > > LoL. � Yeah...I'll buy that one.
>
> > > > > �The fact that you keep
> > > > > bringing this up as some sort of argument proves to me that you know
> > > > > I'm right, but you're not enough of a man to admit it.
>
> > > > �I admit you think you heard a difference. �That and 2$ might get you
> > > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > > thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same
>
> > �for the moment. One of them has a little more staying power,
> > the other is often fleeting, there for a moment and then gone.
>
> > ScottW-
>
> the one that is always there would be what you think you hear.
> there is always something there that you think you hear.
>
> On the other hand, if there is something that you somehow
> "objectively hear", but yet don't think you
> hear it, you really are not hearing the
> "objective hearing" at all.
> If you don't think you are hearing something, you aren't hearing it.
>
> Hearing is not objective.

It's definitely perception-based, which means that one person can't
tell another what they are and aren't experiencing. That's why I find
objectivists' claims of placebo and expectation effects so amusing.
It's a convenient way to explain why they aren't hearing something
they should be hearing.

For me, cries of "expectation effects" are downright silly. The first
time I swapped out cables, I definitely heard a big difference, and
that was back in the days when I had no idea that there were sonic
differences. Same goes for the Furutech...I balked at the fact that
vinyl could be demagentized, but I and many others heard a very
noticeable change in the sound. That's where Arny and Scott and Bratzi
fell on their faces on this one...I'm making no other claims other
than I heard a difference. Scott in particular has tried to engage me
on a variety of arguments that have nothing to do with this simple
observation. It's like "This Is Spinal Tap," and instead of saying
"But this one goes to eleven," they're saying "Vinyl isn't magnetic."
They can't seem to move on from that basic assertion. They don't have
the knowledge.

I've had discussions with engineers on why this device does what it
does, and they are interested as well. There seems to be some healthy
debate as to the magnetic aspect of this phenomenon, but no one who
has heard and used this machine doubts that it does something
positive. That's been the extent of my argument about this item, but
people like Scott and Arny tried to misrepresent this, and they came
off looking like flat earthers. There's something going on here of
scientific interest, but these guys are too busy trying to look
knowledgeable to admit it.

Again, it's very telling that neither Scott, Arny nor Bratzi are well-
known in engineering circles. Usenet is as close as they get to the
real action in audio.

[[email protected]]

On 16 Apr, 09:55, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:00*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:49*pm, wrote:
> > > On Apr 15, 2:13*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > > *I admit you think you heard a difference. *That and 2$ might get you
> > > > a cup of coffee.
>
> > > thinking you hear a difference and hearing a difference are the same
>
> > *for the moment. One of them has a little more staying power,
> > the other is often fleeting, there for a moment and then gone.
>
> And this affects you... exactly how?
>
> I bought a used MFSL CD on eBay. Someone had treated it with a green
> pen. It's the only one in my collection treated like this. I cannot
> hear a difference between it and other MFSL CDs I have (I don't have
> more of the same title, so a true comparison is not possible. It's
> also a rarer title, so I'm not interested in buying one just for the
> sake of comparison.)
>
> Let's just say I *did* think it sounded better. Why should you care
> one iota if I went to OfficeMax and spent $1.49 on a green pen and
> treated the rest of my CDs? $1.49 means nothing to me and if it helps
> me enjoy my music, and if I think it sounds better, who cares? (To put
> this in RAO's resident imbecile's terms: "BFD! GMAFB!") LoL.

Scott postulates that here is a difference between hearing something
and thinking you are hearing something.
Even if you could hear soemthing, and yet not think you can hear that,
waht deamn good does it do you if you can't think you can hear what
you hear?

[[email protected]]

On 16 Apr, 10:59, calvin coolidge > wrote:
>

>
> > Hearing is not objective.
>
> It's definitely perception-based, which means that one person can't
> tell another what they are and aren't experiencing. That's why I find
> objectivists' claims of placebo and expectation effects so amusing.
> It's a convenient way to explain why they aren't hearing something
> they should be hearing.
>
> For me, cries of "expectation effects" are downright silly.

those other guys have theit own set of expectaqtion effects.
they have the expectation that they can't hear a difference, so they
don't!!!!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 16, 9:58*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 16, 6:48 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

> > But as we all know, 2pid are a imbecile.
>
> I've always felt that I'm a centrist, and that most people I encounter
> in the real world are as well. It's funny how people like Scott tend
> to see things in black and white--either you're with him or you aren't.

Another funny thing: the right-wingers see me as ultra-liberal. I
suppose this is because I support gay rights and because I understand
the need for a national healthcare policy, for example.

I don't know if you were around then, but a couple of them used this
as 'evidence' that I could not have possibly served in the military.
Talk about having ideological blinders. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 16, 12:00*pm, wrote:

> Scott postulates

I know he's your friend and all, but 2pid is dumber than a clod of
soil.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > I've always felt that I'm a centrist, and that most people I encounter
> > in the real world are as well. It's funny how people like Scott tend
> > to see things in black and white--either you're with him or you aren't.
>
> Another funny thing: the right-wingers see me as ultra-liberal. I
> suppose this is because I support gay rights and because I understand
> the need for a national healthcare policy, for example.

I'm further left than you guys. I believe the need for medical use of stem
cells is more important than the "lives" of the unborn, so scientists
should be able to terminate any pregnancy in order to harvest the cells.

I also believe in forced same-sex marriage, perhaps using a lottery. One
out of every ten marriage licenses should be selected at random and the
parties reassigned to same-sex partners.

Now can we please get back to Witless-bashing?

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 16, 10:02�am, wrote:
> On 16 Apr, 10:59, calvin coolidge > wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Hearing is not objective.
>
> > It's definitely perception-based, which means that one person can't
> > tell another what they are and aren't experiencing. That's why I find
> > objectivists' claims of placebo and expectation effects so amusing.
> > It's a convenient way to explain why they aren't hearing something
> > they should be hearing.
>
> > For me, cries of "expectation effects" are downright silly.
>
> those other guys have theit own set of expectaqtion effects.
> they have the expectation that they can't hear a difference, so they
> don't!!!!

Which is why Scott won't listen to the Furutech himself. He doesn't
want to face the fact that his education doesn't explain everything in
the world.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 16, 10:15�am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > I've always felt that I'm a centrist, and that most people I encounter
> > > in the real world are as well. It's funny how people like Scott tend
> > > to see things in black and white--either you're with him or you aren't.

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 9:55*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:00*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> Let's just say I *did* think it sounded better. Why should you care
> one iota if I went to OfficeMax and spent $1.49 on a green pen and
> treated the rest of my CDs?

Put done done your two hard-earned dollar bills, Sssh and
carefully step away from the sales counter. Standard markers
use alcohol-based ink that will attack the lacquer on the label
side of the CD, exposing the reflective aluminum layer to the
air and eventual oxidisation. In which case the CD will sound
_very_ different. You need to use a water-based marker, like
the $15 Mitsubishi Uniposca that you find at art supply houses.

Best to leave unnecessary tweaking to the trained professionals
of the Evil High-End Audio Establishment :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 1:44*pm, wrote:
> Put done done...

Er, put _down_...

Damn fingers!

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 16, 10:46�am, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 1:44�pm, wrote:
>
> > Put done done...
>
> Er, put _down_...
>
> Damn fingers!
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

After reading Scott's posts, you probably had the words "dum dum" in
your head.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> > Explain why in most inconclusive listening tests people choose
> > different more often than same?
>
> That's interesting if it's true. I always find myself erring on the
> side of caution during DBTs. If I can't specficially describe the
> difference, then I choose the same.
>
> Do you have a source for these studies?

Can we please leave religion out of this?


--

"You're not a practice what you preach kind of guy."
-- Scottie Witlessmongrel, RAO, April 2009