Stereophile puts $2350 LP demagnetizer on Recommended Components List!

[Fester Bestertester]

LOL!

http://www.stereophile.com/features/409recommended_components/

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
Fester Bestertester > wrote:

> LOL!
>
> http://www.stereophile.com/features/409recommended_components/

Good thing that's not a catalog or you might have bought one by mistake.

Stephen

[[email protected]]

On 24 Mar, 18:52, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article >,
> *Fester Bestertester > wrote:
>
> > LOL!
>
> >http://www.stereophile.com/features/409recommended_components/
>
> Good thing that's not a catalog or you might have bought one by mistake.
>

It worked on my heavy metal collection.

[Arny Krueger]

"Fester Bestertester" > wrote in message

> LOL!
>
> http://www.stereophile.com/features/409recommended_components/

Not the best place to post criticisms of Stereophile - too many people here
have John Atkinson on a pedestal. Try rec.audio.tech for a more rational
audience.

[Fester Bestertester]

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:41:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
> being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
> wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, to
> go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
> though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> horse****.

Okay, so what's next? Penis demagnetizers?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Fester Bestertester said:

> > Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> > horse****.
>
> Okay, so what's next? Penis demagnetizers?

Bratzi wants his pet study of boobies funded. You know the one -- he
wants to investigate whether big boobies are genetically linked to low
IQs. He's already sure big lips are.

[James Smith]

> wrote :

> About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
> being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
> wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, to
> go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
> though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> horse****.

You are submitting to the pressures of cognitive dissonance here, at the
first hurdle. Some things are counter-intuitive and you shouldn't give up so
easily despite negative expectations. For example during my formative years
I was reluctant to have a finger inserted in my anus during sex - I could
not believe I would get any pleasure from it. Now I can't get enough.


--


Jim Smith

[James Smith]

> wrote

> > > About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility ....
>
> > Okay, so what's next? Penis demagnetizers?

> Too bad penises aren't magnetic because you could get a hell of a
> hard-on around one of those machines

So whenever you do an MRI scan all the male staff are jacking off?

I fail to see the appeal of this.


--


Jim Smith

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe
> some work being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was
> allowed, after being wanded to see if I had any ferrous
> metal on or inside my person, to go up to the ring with
> the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even though the
> magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer
> is horse****.

You are right as rain. IMO, it shows how completely technically bankrupt
that ragazine has become.

[[email protected]]

On 24 Mar, 23:50, Fester Bestertester > wrote:


>
> Okay, so what's next? *Penis demagnetizers?


you made need one,
yours has trouble pointing 'north'

[calvin coolidge]

So I take it you all have used one and tested it yourself to come to
this conclusion?

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> So I take it you all have used one and tested it yourself
> to come to this conclusion?

So Marc, you think that an obviously fraudulent product like this needs to
be tested thoroughly and scientifically before it is dismissed?

[[email protected]]

On 25 Mar, 11:01, calvin coolidge > wrote:
> So I take it you all have used one and tested it yourself to come to
> this conclusion?

the neighborhood ladies are on lockdown alert

http://www.global-supplements.com/Horny-Goat-Weed/

[[email protected]]

On 25 Mar, 12:53, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "calvin coolidge" > wrote in
>
>
> > So I take it you all have used one and tested it yourself
> > to come to this conclusion?
>
> So Marc, you think that an obviously fraudulent product like this needs to
> be tested thoroughly and scientifically before it is dismissed?


why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
place??

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 27, 5:35�am, wrote:
> On 25 Mar, 12:53, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "calvin coolidge" > wrote in
> >
>
> > > So I take it you all have used one and tested it yourself
> > > to come to this conclusion?
>
> > So Cal, you think that an obviously fraudulent product like this needs to
> > be tested thoroughly and scientifically before it is dismissed?
>
> why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 �in the first
> place??

That's the real issue, isn't it. Some people have built basic units
for far less money. With the Furutech you are paying for convenience
(it's very easy to use), a more evenly distributed field of
demagnetization (over handheld devices) and safety (I talked to one
person who accidentally dropped one of these heavy handheld devices on
a valuable LP). Anyone who has done his homework knows how and why it
works, so that's not the question.

Maybe the Chinese will come up with one for $200.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> On 25 Mar, 12:53, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "calvin coolidge" > wrote in
>>
>>
>>> So I take it you all have used one and tested it
>>> yourself to come to this conclusion?
>>
>> So Marc, you think that an obviously fraudulent product
>> like this needs to be tested thoroughly and
>> scientifically before it is dismissed?
>
>
> why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00
> in the first place??

Because the whole game is about fleecing people with more money than brains.

Got yours, yet?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 27, 7:35*am, wrote:

> why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 *in the first
> place??

Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.

Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
ignored?

[GregS[_3_]]

In article >, wrote:
> About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
>being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
>wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, to
>go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
>though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
>out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
>horse****.


Just use a metal detector.

Well it does say it demagnitizes other things. I remember
a demag around here somewhere. It was impressive. Designed
to demag reel to reel tapes. It was a large box. Had a motorized variac
controlling the coil current. It also had a motorized spindle. All automatic.

greg

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> Anyone who has done his homework knows how and why it
> works, so that's not the question.

Right - anybody who has done their homework knows that demagnetizing vinyl
is a fool's mission.

Seems like a good candidate for a Stereophile Product of the Year award, no?

Here's some other candidates:

AUDIOPRISM CD STOP LIGHT PEN

Marigo Labs Signature 3-D Mat


BEDINI - QUADRI-BEAM ULTRA CLARIFIER


Nanotech Systems NESPA #1


CD Sound Improver


The GSIC-10 Intelligent Chip


Ultra Tweeter from Golden Sound


The Altmann Acoustic Panel


The Altmann Tube-o-lator lacquer


The Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer


Cable Elevators Plus


audiodharma CABLE COOKERT


MIT Oracle cables


OPUS MM2 Speaker Cable


Genesis 1.0 Digital RCA Interconnect


Genesis 1.0 Power Cable


TARA Labs The Zero interconnect


Silver Rock Potentiometer


Silver Rock Signature Knob

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 24, 8:41�pm, wrote:
> �About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
> being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
> wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, �to
> go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
> though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> �Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> horse****.

The truth of the matter is that pure vinyl is not magnetic. The ink
used on the labels can be. The paper and the vinyl could contain
impurities as well. I've been to pressing plants where the vinyl
pellets were stored in open bins and covered with dust. Wave a
powerful magnet over dust particles and see if they move or not. An LP
pressed with virgin vinyl under laboratory conditions probably isn't
magnetic. But everything probably is.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> > ?Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> > horse****.
>
> The truth of the matter is that pure vinyl is not magnetic. The ink
> used on the labels can be. The paper and the vinyl could contain
> impurities as well. I've been to pressing plants where the vinyl
> pellets were stored in open bins and covered with dust. Wave a
> powerful magnet over dust particles and see if they move or not. An LP
> pressed with virgin vinyl under laboratory conditions probably isn't
> magnetic. But everything probably is.

Such a statement falls into conflict with certain posters' religious
beliefs. Prepare for the jihad headed your way.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > showed his total absence of
common sense in
message


> The truth of the matter is that pure vinyl is not
> magnetic. The ink used on the labels can be.

Let's see you pick up a piece of paper with ink on it with a magnet,
Grasshopper!

> The paper

Let's see you pick up a piece of paper with no ink on it with a magnet,
Grasshopper!

> and the vinyl could contain impurities as well.

Let's see you pick up a piece of vinyl with a magnet, Grasshopper!

> I've been
> to pressing plants where the vinyl pellets were stored in
> open bins and covered with dust.

Do you know what the dust in pressing plants is composed of, Grasshopper?

It is composed of vinyl and paper because that is what they work with there.

> Wave a powerful magnet
> over dust particles and see if they move or not.

They don't.

> An LP pressed with virgin vinyl under laboratory conditions
> probably isn't magnetic.

Wrong again grasshopper. No way is any conventional LP magnetic.

> But everything probably is.

Wrong again grasshopper. There are three kinds of materials in the universe:
magnetic, diamagnetic, and non magnetic. The largest class by far is non
magnetic.

Exactly what Stereophile's $2350 LP demagnetizer that they put on their
Recommended Components List is, should be perfectly clear to everybody with
a brain.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message
> calvin coolidge said:

> Such a statement falls into conflict with certain
> posters' religious beliefs.

Exactly what religious beliefs are those, Middiot?

[Fed Up Lurker]

Fester Bestertester wrote:

>
> Okay, so what's next? Penis demagnetizers?

It's all very well for you to scoff at the concept of
Penis Demagnetizers, but such a contraption would have
prevented this embarrassing incident:
http://tinyurl.com/d6v29h

[[email protected]]

On 27 Mar, 13:16, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 25 Mar, 12:53, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "calvin coolidge" > wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> So I take it you all have used one and tested it
> >>> yourself to come to this conclusion?
>
> >> So Marc, you think that an obviously fraudulent product
> >> like this needs to be tested thoroughly and
> >> scientifically before it is dismissed?
>
> > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00
> > in the first place??
>
> Because the whole game is about fleecing people with more money than brains.
>
> Got yours, yet?

I will spend that $2,000 on something that mattersw, like a cartridge

[[email protected]]

On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 7:35*am, wrote:
>
> > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 *in the first
> > place??
>
> Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> ignored?

I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
the spare parts in his basememt

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 28, 9:53�am, wrote:
> On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 7:35�am, wrote:
>
> > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 �in the first
> > > place??
>
> > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > ignored?
>
> I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> the spare parts in his basememt

Shhh! has a good point. In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
the habit. Think about it.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time.

Maybe somebody can induce Turdy to post a video tour of his turd
collection. Arnii, what do you say? Fun, fun, fun!

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> Shhh! has a good point.

Whether it is a good point or a bad point, well there it is sticking out of
his shunken little head!

> In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny because he could be
> antagonized and trolled
> so easily.

Not nearly as easy to troll as the Middiot or even your sweet self.

> Now, he's so strange and degenerate that it's
> just painful to watch anyone try to respond to him
> directly.

No, what's happened is that the Middiot Posse has become so strange and
degenerate that they've scared virtually everybody away but themselves.

> If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty
> or clever come out of an Arny exchange in a very long
> time.

That's because it takes two to tango, and the Middiot posse has become so
tired and repetitive that they are simply no fun any more.

> It's time to kick the habit.

As in just plain go away.

> Think about it.

Not feasible.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 28, 12:07*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > place??
>
> > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > ignored?
>
> > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> Shhh! has a good point.

Thank you.

> In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> the habit. Think about it.

The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.

He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
was to troll people.

Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
suppose he should get some credit for that.

Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people.
> He's so insane he doesn't even realize that it's he who
> is being trolled.

That turns around very nicely, thank you.

> He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and
> how "easy" it was to troll people.

There's intelligent life in HTNML land. JJ was right.

> Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde.

Nope, I keep trolling you just fine, you blithering idiot.

> But GOIA keeps trying, so I suppose he should get some credit for that.

I keep suceeding, too. Can't bring yourself to admit that, can you?

> Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his
> existance.

Nonsense. You're still in my pocket, grasshopper. You can't stop talking
about me.

[[email protected]]

On 28 Mar, 13:07, calvin coolidge > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > place??
>
> > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > ignored?
>
> > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> Shhh! has a good point. In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> the habit. Think about it.-

I want to kick the habit, as hard as I can kick him in the nuts.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 04:03, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:

>
> Where would GOIA be without Clyde?


enjoying his turd collection in peace.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 06:09, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> Nonsense. You're still in my pocket, grasshopper. *You can't stop talking
> about me.

If he is so much in your pocket, get him to
say something nice about you!

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 12:03�am, wrote:
> �Vinylsnatch Jr. :

I'm not Boon. You've been listening to Arny too much.

>
> > That's the real issue, isn't it. Some people have built basic units
> > for far less money. With the Furutech you are paying for convenience
> > (it's very easy to use), a more evenly distributed field of
> > demagnetization (over handheld devices) and safety (I talked to one
> > person who accidentally dropped one of these heavy handheld devices on
> > a valuable LP). Anyone who has done his homework knows how and why it
> > works, so that's not the question.
>
> > Maybe the Chinese will come up with one for $200.
>
> �I bet if I tested one on REAL magnetic materials it would prove
> worthless or very low quality to be sure.

I'll take that bet.

>
> �Real demagnetizers can cost this kind of money but they are huge
> things that are used for degaussing big heavy pieces. You put the
> oblect inside a pair of polepieces. They are used for the old quad 2
> inch video tape and for demagnetizing steel work pieces that were
> magnetized for Magnaflux testing. A hand held model can simply be
> placed upside down and most of the better old ones had a little stand
> you could use. And I bet if you put a little mitten like pad on the
> handheld one and used it on records in their sleeve or even out if
> they were on a table, and dropped it on them, it wouldn't hurt them at
> all. So you are blowing a brand of liquid ass again.

You show do a little more reading outside of the neo-Nazi blogs. All
of your arguments have been mentioned and dismantled already. Do a
little research before you start dissing things you know nothing
about.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 12:06�am, wrote:
> On Mar 27, 6:33 pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 8:41 pm, wrote:
>
> > > About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
> > > being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
> > > wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, to
> > > go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
> > > though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> > > out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> > > Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> > > horse****.
>
> > The truth of the matter is that pure vinyl is not magnetic. �The ink
> > used on the labels can be. The paper and the vinyl could contain
> > impurities as well. I've been to pressing plants where the vinyl
> > pellets were stored in open bins and covered with dust. Wave a
> > powerful magnet over dust particles and see if they move or not. An LP
> > pressed with virgin vinyl under laboratory conditions probably isn't
> > magnetic. But everything probably is.
>
> Normal printer's ink is not magnetic. Only specially mixed �inks used
> for the MICR numbers on checks �is magnetic and even that is so weak
> that you can't pick the check up with a heavy 2000 lb rare earth
> magnet.-

"Normal" printers. Gotcha.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

> wrote in message
...
On 29 Mar, 06:09, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> Nonsense. You're still in my pocket, grasshopper. You can't stop talking
> about me.

>If he is so much in your pocket, get him to
>say something nice about you!

The only think Mr Krueger has in his pocket
is a large hole. He is known elsewhere
as The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist.

Iain

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 29, 12:00*pm, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

> The only think Mr Krueger has in his pocket
> is a large hole. *He is known elsewhere
> as The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist.

In other circles he is known as "The Insane Asshole". LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

> On Mar 29, 12:03?am, wrote:
>> ?Vinylsnatch Jr. :
>
> I'm not Boon. You've been listening to Arny too much.
>
>>
>>> That's the real issue, isn't it. Some people have built
>>> basic units for far less money. With the Furutech you
>>> are paying for convenience (it's very easy to use), a
>>> more evenly distributed field of demagnetization (over
>>> handheld devices) and safety (I talked to one person
>>> who accidentally dropped one of these heavy handheld
>>> devices on a valuable LP). Anyone who has done his
>>> homework knows how and why it works, so that's not the
>>> question.
>>
>>> Maybe the Chinese will come up with one for $200.

>> ?I bet if I tested one on REAL magnetic materials it
>> would prove worthless or very low quality to be sure.

> I'll take that bet.

Let me guess - you'll put the bet money up in an escrow account.

Of course grasshopper, you have no legal name, so that escrow account is
just a bluff.

BTW grasshopper, in case you haven't figured it out yet, people who want to
demagnetize non-magnetic materials have just flunked their IQ test for the
day.

Since that now seems to include John Atkinson and Stereophile, well what can
I say?m ;-)

It does beg the question of what sort of person with a degree in physics
would possibly fall for such a scam. Perhaps that person is:

(1) Not exactly sane.

(2) Very sane and crying all the way to the bank.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

>> Normal printer's ink is not magnetic. Only specially
>> mixed ?inks used for the MICR numbers on checks ?is
>> magnetic and even that is so weak that you can't pick
>> the check up with a heavy 2000 lb rare earth magnet.-

> "Normal" printers. Gotcha.

You know, the ones used to print labels for LPs.

Come to think of it, I guess you don't know...

LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 29, 7:59*am, wrote:
> On 29 Mar, 04:03, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
>
> > Where would GOIA be without Clyde?
>
> enjoying his turd collection in peace.

You apparently haven't noticed that GOIA has been reaching for new
lows recently. As the number of people who will respond to him drops
to near zero, GOIA can be seen making all sorts of wild and insane
claims.

Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.

But I suppose you are performing a service. You're like the lunchwagon
delivering meals to a shut-in.

[hophead]

In article <d8dde4ad-0201-4d8c-b784-
>, says...

> Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
> respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.

It's amazing how easily he's trolled isn't it? You don't even have to
try!

-
Marc

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

hophead said:

> > Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
> > respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.
>
> It's amazing how easily he's trolled isn't it? You don't even have to
> try!
> -
> Marc

Thank's "Marc" for, amditting "Mark" that you are knee-deep in
scokpuppets Marc.



--


Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 12:06�am, wrote:
> On Mar 27, 6:33 pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 8:41 pm, wrote:
>
> > > About a year ago I got to visit a MRI facility to observe some work
> > > being done. I brought along a 12" LP. I was allowed, after being
> > > wanded to see if I had any ferrous metal on or inside my person, to
> > > go up to the ring with the LP. I could feel no "pull" on the LP even
> > > though the magnetism. I am told. would have pulled anything magnetic
> > > out of my hand and caused great damage.
>
> > > Therefore I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
> > > horse****.
>
> > The truth of the matter is that pure vinyl is not magnetic. �The ink
> > used on the labels can be. The paper and the vinyl could contain
> > impurities as well. I've been to pressing plants where the vinyl
> > pellets were stored in open bins and covered with dust. Wave a
> > powerful magnet over dust particles and see if they move or not. An LP
> > pressed with virgin vinyl under laboratory conditions probably isn't
> > magnetic. But everything probably is.
>
> Normal printer's ink is not magnetic. Only specially mixed �inks used
> for the MICR numbers on checks �is magnetic and even that is so weak
> that you can't pick the check up with a heavy 2000 lb rare earth
> magnet.

Why do you think magnetism is such a black and white issue? If the
magnets on a cartridges are influenced in the tiniest way, it will
affect the sound quality. Why are we talking about 2000 lb magnets?

Vinylsnatch Jr.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 1:03�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 12:07�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
> > > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > > place??
>
> > > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > > ignored?
>
> > > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> > Shhh! has a good point.
>
> Thank you.
>
> > In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> > because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> > strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> > respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> > engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> > come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> > the habit. Think about it.
>
> The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
> he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.
>
> He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
> was to troll people.
>
> Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
> suppose he should get some credit for that.
>
> Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.

In the past Clyde has said that it's too much fun picking on Arny to
stop. My point is that dealing with such a hollow shell of a person
isn't really as funny as it used to be. We have all watched Arny's
song and dance for so long that it has gotten quite boring. For me,
Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
to discard meaningless habits.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 11:42�am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> hophead said:
>
> > > Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
> > > respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.
>
> > It's amazing how easily he's trolled isn't it? You don't even have to
> > try!
> > - �
> > Marc
>
> Thank's "Marc" for, amditting "Mark" that you are knee-deep in
> scokpuppets Marc.
>
> --
>
> Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

I am trying to run several at once. I want to be everywhere. I want
Arny to email Jeff Dorgay and say "Marc is everywhere! Everywhere I
look, I see him! Why aren't you doing anything?" That will get quite
a response I'm sure.

Vinylsnatch Jr.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 29, 1:48*pm, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Mar 29, 1:03 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 12:07 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
> > > > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > > > place??
>
> > > > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > > > ignored?
>
> > > > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > > > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> > > Shhh! has a good point.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> > > In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> > > because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> > > strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> > > respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> > > engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> > > come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> > > the habit. Think about it.
>
> > The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
> > he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.
>
> > He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
> > was to troll people.
>
> > Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
> > suppose he should get some credit for that.
>
> > Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.
>
> In the past Clyde has said that it's too much fun picking on Arny to
> stop. My point is that dealing with such a hollow shell of a person
> isn't really as funny as it used to be. We have all watched Arny's
> song and dance for so long that it has gotten quite boring. For me,
> Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> to discard meaningless habits.

OTOH a poor demented person like GOIA has a real need for someone to
respond to him.

Clyde may be saving GOIA's family from violence.

[[email protected]]

Hey, this is just the beginning... the Furutech demagnetizer
not only improves the sound of LPs, but it also improves the
sound of CDs! That's right, demagnetizing your CDs makes "the
highs seem less bright and glaring" and "there is more musical
detail and vividness." Also, "Dynamics are more precise, and
bass impact is noticeably stronger."

http://www.soundstage.com/vinyl/vinyl200702.htm

But it doesn't stop there. Later in the article, you will learn
that you can demagnetize your interconnects. This results in the
music that "sounds more 'in the room'", and "the instruments'
overtones seem more realistically balanced with their fundamentals."

This sounds like a huge breakthrough!

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
wrote:

> Hey, this is just the beginning... the Furutech demagnetizer
> not only improves the sound of LPs, but it also improves the
> sound of CDs! That's right, demagnetizing your CDs makes "the
> highs seem less bright and glaring" and "there is more musical
> detail and vividness." Also, "Dynamics are more precise, and
> bass impact is noticeably stronger."
>
> http://www.soundstage.com/vinyl/vinyl200702.htm
>
> But it doesn't stop there. Later in the article, you will learn
> that you can demagnetize your interconnects. This results in the
> music that "sounds more 'in the room'", and "the instruments'
> overtones seem more realistically balanced with their fundamentals."
>
> This sounds like a huge breakthrough!

Too bad I lost track of that bulk eraser...it would help everything!

Stephen

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 14:02, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 7:59*am, wrote:
>
> > On 29 Mar, 04:03, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > Where would GOIA be without Clyde?
>
> > enjoying his turd collection in peace.
>
> You apparently haven't noticed that GOIA has been reaching for new
> lows recently. As the number of people who will respond to him drops
> to near zero, GOIA can be seen making all sorts of wild and insane
> claims.
>
> Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
> respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.
>
> But I suppose you are performing a service. You're like the lunchwagon
> delivering meals to a shut-in.

I am his Good Humor man delivering him his favorite
frozen turdsicle. He shouldn't have to starve while
waiting for his bus.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 14:48, calvin coolidge > wrote:
> On Mar 29, 1:03 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 12:07 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
> > > > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > > > place??
>
> > > > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > > > ignored?
>
> > > > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > > > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> > > Shhh! has a good point.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> > > In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> > > because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> > > strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> > > respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> > > engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> > > come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> > > the habit. Think about it.
>
> > The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
> > he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.
>
> > He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
> > was to troll people.
>
> > Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
> > suppose he should get some credit for that.
>
> > Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.
>
> In the past Clyde has said that it's too much fun picking on Arny to
> stop. My point is that dealing with such a hollow shell of a person
> isn't really as funny as it used to be. We have all watched Arny's
> song and dance for so long that it has gotten quite boring. For me,
> Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> to discard meaningless habits.-

to the group, not you personally,
I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
My nature is that I am not a team player

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 14:51, calvin coolidge > wrote:
> On Mar 29, 11:42 am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > hophead said:
>
> > > > Many of us have been successfully trolling him without even needing to
> > > > respond to him. You should try it. It's fun.
>
> > > It's amazing how easily he's trolled isn't it? You don't even have to
> > > try!
> > > -
> > > Marc
>
> > Thank's "Marc" for, amditting "Mark" that you are knee-deep in
> > scokpuppets Marc.
>
> > --
>
> > Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.
>
> I am trying to run several at once. I want to be everywhere. I want
> Arny to email Jeff Dorgay and say "Marc is everywhere! *Everywhere I
> look, I see him! *Why aren't you doing anything?" That will get quite
> a response I'm sure.
>
> Vinylsnatch Jr.-

I feel that John Parcher is just down the hallway, lurking.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 15:07, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 1:48*pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 1:03 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 12:07 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > > > > place??
>
> > > > > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > > > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > > > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > > > > ignored?
>
> > > > > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > > > > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> > > > Shhh! has a good point.
>
> > > Thank you.
>
> > > > In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> > > > because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> > > > strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> > > > respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> > > > engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> > > > come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> > > > the habit. Think about it.
>
> > > The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
> > > he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.
>
> > > He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
> > > was to troll people.
>
> > > Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
> > > suppose he should get some credit for that.
>
> > > Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.
>
> > In the past Clyde has said that it's too much fun picking on Arny to
> > stop. My point is that dealing with such a hollow shell of a person
> > isn't really as funny as it used to be. We have all watched Arny's
> > song and dance for so long that it has gotten quite boring. For me,
> > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > to discard meaningless habits.
>
> OTOH a poor demented person like GOIA has a real need for someone to
> respond to him.
>
> Clyde may be saving GOIA's family from violence.-

They should take this oppportunity to escape.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.

> > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > to discard meaningless habits.-
>
> to the group, not you personally,
> I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> My nature is that I am not a team player

We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 17:41, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
>
> > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > to discard meaningless habits.-
>
> > to the group, not you personally,
> > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > My nature is that I am not a team player
>
> We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.

so Arny was wrong, I am not a member of your posse

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
>
> > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > to discard meaningless habits.-
> >
> > to the group, not you personally,
> > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > My nature is that I am not a team player
>
> We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.

If he and Arny want to yammer it up in Kill-file Korner, who can stop
'em?

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Morale has never been higher.

> > Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
> >
> > > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > > to discard meaningless habits.-
> >
> > > to the group, not you personally,
> > > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > > My nature is that I am not a team player
> >
> > We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
>
> so Arny was wrong, I am not a member of your posse

You're too cheap to pay the dues anyway.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

MiNe 109 said:

> > We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
>
> If he and Arny want to yammer it up in Kill-file Korner, who can stop 'em?

You finally did it? Congratulations. May your filter stay clean and free
of snot.

[[email protected]]

On 29 Mar, 18:23, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Morale has never been higher.
>
> > > Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
>
> > > > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > > > to discard meaningless habits.-
>
> > > > to the group, not you personally,
> > > > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > > > My nature is that I am not a team player
>
> > > We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
>
> > so Arny was wrong, I am not a member of your posse
>
> You're too cheap to pay the dues anyway.

If your 'dues' are renouncing Scott and following the party line on
not reponding directly to Kruger, yes,

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 29, 2:38�pm, wrote:
> On 29 Mar, 14:48, calvin coolidge > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 1:03 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 12:07 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 28, 9:53 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > On 27 Mar, 13:42, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 27, 7:35 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > why does a demagnetizer have to cost more than $2,000.00 in the first
> > > > > > > place??
>
> > > > > > Why are you asking GOIA a serious question? It's best to ignore the
> > > > > > poor insane asshole and let him wallow in his loneliness.
>
> > > > > > Don't you agree that it's fun to see him writhe in the agony of being
> > > > > > ignored?
>
> > > > > I want him to offer to build me a $50 demagnetizer from
> > > > > the spare parts in his basememt
>
> > > > Shhh! has a good point.
>
> > > Thank you.
>
> > > > In the old days it was funny to pick on Arny
> > > > because he could be antagonized and trolled so easily. Now, he's so
> > > > strange and degenerate that it's just painful to watch anyone try to
> > > > respond to him directly. If you think you're mining for comedy gold by
> > > > engaging him, think again. I haven't seen anything witty or clever
> > > > come out of an Arny exchange in a very long time. It's time to kick
> > > > the habit. Think about it.
>
> > > The funny thing is watching GOIA try to troll people. He's so insane
> > > he doesn't even realize that it's he who is being trolled.
>
> > > He used to brag about how he had a "Usenet career" and how "easy" it
> > > was to troll people.
>
> > > Now it's pretty much just him and Clyde. But GOIA keeps trying, so I
> > > suppose he should get some credit for that.
>
> > > Where would GOIA be without Clyde? Clyde defines his existance.
>
> > In the past Clyde has said that it's too much fun picking on Arny to
> > stop. My point is that dealing with such a hollow shell of a person
> > isn't really as funny as it used to be. We have all watched Arny's
> > song and dance for so long that it has gotten quite boring. For me,
> > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > to discard meaningless habits.-
>
> to the group, not you personally,
> I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> My nature is that I am not a team player.

That's fine. It's just that ignoring him seems to be working so well.
Think of us as your neighbors who want to eliminate the stray cat
problem within our block, and you're the guy who keeps putting out
bowls of food for them on your front porch. You have a right to do
that, and we have a right to bitch about it.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Somebody's in a bad mood.

> > Morale has never been higher.
> >
> > > > Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
> >
> > > > > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > > > > to discard meaningless habits.-
> >
> > > > > to the group, not you personally,
> > > > > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > > > > My nature is that I am not a team player
> >
> > > > We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
> >
> > > so Arny was wrong, I am not a member of your posse
> >
> > You're too cheap to pay the dues anyway.
>
> If your 'dues' are renouncing Scott and following the party line on
> not reponding directly to Kruger, yes,

I'd ask how you can stand to hang out with a moron like Witlessmongrel,
but you'd probably take it as a rhetorical question.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 29, 5:51*pm, wrote:
> On 29 Mar, 18:23, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Morale has never been higher.
>
> > > > Sacky snarls and retreats into his lair.
>
> > > > > > Arny hasn't done anything of interest for quite some time. It's time
> > > > > > to discard meaningless habits.-
>
> > > > > to the group, not you personally,
> > > > > I resent being told who I should and should not talk to.
> > > > > My nature is that I am not a team player
>
> > > > We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
>
> > > so Arny was wrong, I am not a member of your posse
>
> > You're too cheap to pay the dues anyway.
>
> If your 'dues' are renouncing Scott and following the party line on
> not reponding directly to Kruger, yes,

No need to "renounce" 2pid. I'm not sure how you'd do that anyway.

Doesn't your buddy's illiteracy and imbecility embarrass you sometimes
though?

As far as GOIA is concerned, you don't need to "renounce" him either.
Some of us enjoy watching the insane geezer flop around like a caught
fish looking for some kind (ANY kind) of reinforcement.

Fish who have been pulled onto shore are like that.

There is no "party line", Clyde. Some of us got really bored with GOIA
and his entirely predictable behavior. We're having more fun ignoring
him. You can tell him to step in front of a bus just as many times as
you'd like to. That just seems a little boring to some as well. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message
> MiNe 109 said:
>
>>> We had no expectations from a Friend Of Witlessmongrel.
>>
>> If he and Arny want to yammer it up in Kill-file Korner,
>> who can stop 'em?
>
> You finally did it? Congratulations. May your filter stay
> clean and free of snot.

That means he's not reading your posts, Middiot.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> Why do you think magnetism is such a black and white issue?

This the nature of nature, Grasshopper.

>If the magnets on a cartridges are influenced in
> the tiniest way, it will affect the sound quality.

Not really.

> Why are we talking about 2000 lb magnets?

Hyperbole.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 24, 11:41*pm, wrote:
> I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.

See
http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_glamorous_side_of_publis hing/

What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
the room
and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
demonstrating.
I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
after
"demagnetization."

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 8:43�am, wrote:
> On Mar 24, 11:41�pm, wrote:
>
> > �I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> Seehttp://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g....
>
> What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> the room
> and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
> demonstrating.
> I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
> I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
> after
> "demagnetization."
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

I went to a demo where blind comparisons were performed. A dozen
people were in attendance and all heard differences before and after.
At least a couple of them were skeptics like the people here, and they
walked out convinced that it worked. For the group, the question
wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.

Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
Scientific Method to draw conclusions.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
>> I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is
>> horse****.
>
> See
> http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_glamorous_side_of_publis hing/
>
> What I found interesting was that I heard a difference
> from outside the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael
> Fremer was
> demonstrating.

Ah, its the old "wife in the kitchen heard the difference" anecdote with
Atkinson as the wife.

> I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and
> assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing
> before and after "demagnetization."

<shaking head>

How low the once mighty have fallen. :-(

[[email protected]]

On Mar 30, 11:53*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
> >
> > See
> > http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g....
>
> > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> <snip> For the group, the question
> wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.

I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
anything is actually demagnetized. But yes, there does appear
to be an audible effect. Interestingly, my blind observation that
there was more bass from the "demagnetized" LP was what the
listeners in the room also felt.

> Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
> had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
> engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
> Scientific Method to draw conclusions.

Just as Arny Krueger has just demonstrated. :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 9:30�am, wrote:
> On Mar 30, 11:53�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > See
> > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g....
>
> > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > <snip> For the group, the question
> > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> anything is actually demagnetized. But yes, there does appear
> to be an audible effect. Interestingly, my blind observation that
> there was more bass from the "demagnetized" LP was what the
> listeners in the room also felt.

I experienced the same thing--more bass, a little more clarity and
perhaps warmth. Several others mentioned that it sounded like someone
turned the volume up just a bit.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

said:

> What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
> demonstrating.
> I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
> I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
> after "demagnetization."

Please post a detailed description of the eye-gouging protocol used to
sterilize this "test". If you fail to comply with this scieennetiifick
requirement, you will be admitting you are peddling snake oil.

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 11:53, calvin coolidge > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
>
> > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > Seehttp://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > the room
> > and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
> > demonstrating.
> > I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
> > I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
> > after
> > "demagnetization."
>
> > John Atkinson
> > Editor, Stereophile
>
> I went to a demo where blind comparisons were performed. A dozen
> people were in attendance and all heard differences before and after.
> At least a couple of them were skeptics like the people here, and they
> walked out convinced that it worked. For the group, the question
> wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
> had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
> engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
> Scientific Method to draw conclusions.-

exactly what i have been trying to say,
the cost seems outrageous

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 12:30, wrote:
> On Mar 30, 11:53*am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > See
> > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g....
>
> > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > <snip> For the group, the question
> > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> anything is actually demagnetized. But yes, there does appear
> to be an audible effect. Interestingly, my blind observation that
> there was more bass from the "demagnetized" LP was what the
> listeners in the room also felt.
>
> > Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
> > had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
> > engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
> > Scientific Method to draw conclusions.
>
> Just as Arny Krueger has just demonstrated. :-)
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile- Ascunde citatul -
>
> - Afiºare text în citat -

I remember that he used to report his wife's opinion's
and those of his neighborhood teen boyfriends'.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> Of course there are people here who don't think it can
> work

Yes, that would be people who have a good education in engineering and
physics.

You know, the same *silly* people who don't believe in perpetual motion,
etc.

> and have had no experience with it.

Until you show us your carefully-controlled, bias-controlled listening tests
supporting these wild and anti-scientific claims, you have no relevant
experience, either.

> Funny how most
> of these armchair Internet engineers fall on their faces
> when it comes to actually using the Scientific Method to
> draw conclusions.

Why don't you give us a little demonstration of your abilities along these
lines?

Right now, all we've got Atkinson playing wife to Fremer. Now is that
strange or what? ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW2" > wrote in message


> That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the
> magnetism of vinyl before and after the process yield numbers so small and
> the change so insignificant that all you're left with are anecdotal claims
> of sound
> changes that according to many can be just as easily
> accomplished with a slight nudge of the volume.

Not even that.

>>> But yes, there does appear to be an audible effect.

Interesting how this "audible effect" goes away when proper blind testing is
used.

>>> Interestingly, my blind
>>> observation that there was more bass from the
>>> "demagnetized" LP was what the listeners in the room also felt.

Yawn. How many times have I heard this same thing about everything from
green pens to putting speaker cables on glass insulators to keep them off
the floor.


>> I experienced the same thing--more bass, a little more
>> clarity and perhaps warmth. Several others mentioned
>> that it sounded like someone turned the volume up just a
>> bit.

Another yawn.

> LOL, I don't need a $2000 demagnetizer to turn up the volume.

I'm thinking that Steroephile circulation is slipping again, and they think
they need some free publicity to sell ragazines.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 10:29�am, wrote:
> On 30 Mar, 11:53, calvin coolidge > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
>
> > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > Seehttp://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > the room
> > > and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
> > > demonstrating.
> > > I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
> > > I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
> > > after
> > > "demagnetization."
>
> > > John Atkinson
> > > Editor, Stereophile
>
> > I went to a demo where blind comparisons were performed. A dozen
> > people were in attendance and all heard differences before and after.
> > At least a couple of them were skeptics like the people here, and they
> > walked out convinced that it worked. For the group, the question
> > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> > Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
> > had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
> > engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
> > Scientific Method to draw conclusions.-
>
> exactly what i have been trying to say,
> the cost seems outrageous.

But it does work. You just need to listen for yourself. This product
seems to have inspired a lot of DIYers to come up with their own
versions for much less money, although their solutions are not quite
as elegant and convenient as the Furutech.

Those armchair engineers look quite silly and uneducated when it comes
to this product. I have heard well-known physicists and enginners
eloquently explain why this product does work. Then I have seen these
Internet guys with no discernable credentials complain that it is
impossible. It's clear that these individuals learned their skills
from Wikipedia rather than working in the field.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky, are you feeling poorly?

> > A couple of
> > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.

> exactly what i have been trying to say,
> the cost seems outrageous

They don't want any of their devices falling into Hivie hands. Can you
blame them?

Now go try a cold compress or an herbal tisane or some goddamn thing.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> Those armchair engineers look quite silly and uneducated when it comes
> to this product. I have heard well-known physicists and enginners
> eloquently explain why this product does work. Then I have seen these
> Internet guys with no discernable credentials complain that it is
> impossible. It's clear that these individuals learned their skills
> from Wikipedia rather than working in the field.

You can't harvest snot in Kroogerian bulk quantities "in the field".
Next! ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> But it does work.

Yes, Cal you got a special exemption from the standard laws of physics from
the big guy in the sky himself.

Remember, if there is no God, there's nobody to ask for those exemptions,
not even John Atkinson. ;-)

>You just need to listen for yourself.

All the snake oil artistes, say that.

> This product
> seems to have inspired a lot of DIYers to come up with
> their own versions for much less money, although their solutions
> are not quite as elegant and convenient as the Furutech.

Some of them hoping that if they sell one of them to theirselves on eBay,
that encouraged by the bogus transaction, others will buy.

> Those armchair engineers look quite silly and uneducated
> when it comes to this product.

Are you really this stupid, or just seeing if you can suck in some poor
numbskull who is wandering by RAO?

> I have heard well-known physicists and
> enginners eloquently explain why this product does work.

....not to mention the voices in your head telling you that you aren't making
a total ass of yourself going on like this.

Oh, I forgot - you're a sockpuppet. An unknown alias. That means that you
have absolutely no accoutability for the nonsense you post here.

> Then I have seen these
> Internet guys with no discernable credentials complain
> that it is impossible.

Lets see - sockpuppet named after a dead president, no discernable identity,
no discernable credentials. Why "cal" you're talking about yourself!

> It's clear that these individuals learned their skills
> from Wikipedia rather than working in the field.

Yes, like a big, well-credentialed sockpuppet like you, "cal".

LOL!

[[email protected]]

I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing,
where a very good sound system was evaluated in two modes:

(1) normal setup, versus
(2) EVERY one of these methods applied, all at once:
(a) hospital-grade outlets,
(b) wooden knobs/lenses,
(c) green pen and other CD treatments,
(d) tube-o-later laquer,
(e) shakti stones,
(f) burned-in cable on trestles,
(g) cable pointed correct way (versus wrong way in (a)),
(h) Nespa Pro,
(i) demagnetizing the CD or LP

I'm very curious if a statistically significant difference could be
perceived in a double-blind study, not just for one of the above, but
if ALL of the above were done (versus NONE of the above). In the unlikely
event that there was a difference, I'd then be interested in knowing
whether that difference was an improvement, or otherwise. Of course,
it'll never happen, but it's fun to ponder...

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a
> blind testing, where a very good sound system was
> evaluated in two modes:
>
> (1) normal setup, versus

> (2) EVERY one of these methods applied, all at once:
> (a) hospital-grade outlets,
> (b) wooden knobs/lenses,
> (c) green pen and other CD treatments,
> (d) tube-o-later laquer,
> (e) shakti stones,
> (f) burned-in cable on trestles,
> (g) cable pointed correct way (versus wrong way in
> (a)), (h) Nespa Pro,
> (i) demagnetizing the CD or LP

No experiment needed. All that crap is snake oil.

> I'm very curious if a statistically significant
> difference could be perceived in a double-blind study,
> not just for one of the above, but
> if ALL of the above were done (versus NONE of the above).
> In the unlikely event that there was a difference, I'd
> then be interested in knowing whether that difference was
> an improvement, or otherwise. Of course, it'll never
> happen, but it's fun to ponder...

Not really. Let common sense be your guide!

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 12:19�pm, wrote:
> I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing,
> where a very good sound system was evaluated in two modes:
>
> (1) normal setup, versus
> (2) EVERY one of these methods applied, all at once:
> � � � (a) hospital-grade outlets,
> � � � (b) wooden knobs/lenses,
> � � � (c) green pen and other CD treatments,
> � � � (d) tube-o-later laquer,
> � � � (e) shakti stones,
> � � � (f) burned-in cable on trestles,
> � � � (g) cable pointed correct way (versus wrong way in (a)),
> � � � (h) Nespa Pro,
> � � � (i) demagnetizing the CD or LP
>
> I'm very curious if a statistically significant difference could be
> perceived in a double-blind study, not just for one of the above, but
> if ALL of the above were done (versus NONE of the above). �In the unlikely
> event that there was a difference, I'd then be interested in knowing
> whether that difference was an improvement, or otherwise. �Of course,
> it'll never happen, but it's fun to ponder...

The benefit of hospital grade outlets is their robust construction and
interface, not any real sonic benefits, so I would drop that off the
list. I have seen/heard a DBT of the demagnetization of the LP, so I'd
leave that on. The main benefit of cable elevators is isolating cables
from static electricity on carpets, so you'd have to create that
specific environment for your DBT.

All the others probably won't hold up to a DBT, but you simply don't
know until you do it--that is, of course, if you can conduct a
legitimate DBT in the first place (if there is such a thing).

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 10:25�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 9:52�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > > > See
> > > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> > > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > > anything is actually demagnetized.
>
> �That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the magnetism of
> vinyl
> before and after the process yield numbers so small and the change so
> insignificant
> that all you're left with are anecdotal claims of sound changes that
> according to many can be just as easily accomplished with a slight
> nudge of the volume.

So you have performed this research? Can you share your findings and
measurements with us?

>
> > �But yes, there does appear
> > > to be an audible effect. Interestingly, my blind observation that
> > > there was more bass from the "demagnetized" LP was what the
> > > listeners in the room also felt.
>
> > I experienced the same thing--more bass, a little more clarity and
> > perhaps warmth. Several others mentioned that it sounded like someone
> > turned the volume up just a bit.
>
> �LOL, �I don't need a $2000 demagnetizer to turn up the volume.

So you focused on that one thing and not the others. That's not what I
would call scientific reasoning. I think I will pass on your
scientific research after all. Thanks anyways.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

said:

> I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing

You should seek treatment for your condition.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message



>I have seen/heard a
> DBT of the demagnetization of the LP, so I'd leave that
> on.

Let's see, we've got a sockpuppet with zero personal credibility makeing an
exceptional claim. Yup, its as much of a lie as the nym he posts under.

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 14:13, calvin coolidge > wrote:


>It's clear that these individuals learned their skills
> from Wikipedia rather than working in the field.-

Is that near Oakland, MI?

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 14:41, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Sacky, are you feeling poorly?
>
> > > A couple of
> > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
> > exactly what i have been trying to say,
> > the cost seems outrageous
>
> They don't want any of their devices falling into Hivie hands. Can you
> blame them?
>
> Now go try a cold compress or an herbal tisane or some goddamn thing.

I can't afford those luxuries, I am saving up for my demagnetizer

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 15:19, wrote:
> I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing,
> where a very good sound system was evaluated in two modes:
>
> (1) normal setup, versus
> (2) EVERY one of these methods applied, all at once:
> * * * (a) hospital-grade outlets,
> * * * (b) wooden knobs/lenses,
> * * * (c) green pen and other CD treatments,
> * * * (d) tube-o-later laquer,
> * * * (e) shakti stones,
> * * * (f) burned-in cable on trestles,
> * * * (g) cable pointed correct way (versus wrong way in (a)),
> * * * (h) Nespa Pro,
> * * * (i) demagnetizing the CD or LP
>
> I'm very curious if a statistically significant difference could be
> perceived in a double-blind study, not just for one of the above, but
> if ALL of the above were done (versus NONE of the above). *In the unlikely
> event that there was a difference, I'd then be interested in knowing
> whether that difference was an improvement, or otherwise. *Of course,
> it'll never happen, but it's fun to ponder...

why do you care what some undiscerning schlub grabbed off the street
does or does not hear.
do you find others to taste your food for you, before you eat it?

[[email protected]]

On 30 Mar, 15:34, George M. Middius > wrote:
> said:
>
> > I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing
>
> You should seek treatment for your condition.

He should see these people after his 'test'.
http://www.eyedonation.org/

[[email protected]]

George M. Middius > wrote:
: said:
: > I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing
: You should seek treatment for your condition.

You have to admit, a DBT of any one of them would be a rare, dare I say
a singular event. It would make for a great episode of "MythBusters".

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
ScottW2 > wrote:

> On Mar 30, 12:32*pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 10:25 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 9:52 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
> >
> > > > > > > See
> > > > > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the
> > > > > > >_g...
> >
> > > > > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from
> > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana
> > > > > > > Krall
> > > > > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
> >
> > > > > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > > > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > > > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
> >
> > > > > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > > > > anything is actually demagnetized.
> >
> > > That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the magnetism of
> > > vinyl
> > > before and after the process yield numbers so small and the change so
> > > insignificant
> > > that all you're left with are anecdotal claims of sound changes that
> > > according to many can be just as easily accomplished with a slight
> > > nudge of the volume.
> >
> > So you have performed this research?
>
> I think the information I stumbled on was actually provided by one of
> the demagnetizer manufacturers but it has since been pulled as
> engineers pointed out that the data actually refuted rather than
> supported their claims.
>
> Here's an interesting piece of data showing that, until recently, no
> one has been able to show carbon can be made magnetic at room temp.
>
> http://www.physorg.com/news98111007.html
>
> But hey...if demagnetizing your vinyl works for you....
>
> why not demagnetize your cart?
>
> http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ABENZDEMAG
>
> Oh Look...Fremer recommends it too. It MUST BE good. LoL.

You can do that by touching the R and L leads together.

Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
wrote:

> George M. Middius > wrote:
> : said:
> : > I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing
> : You should seek treatment for your condition.
>
> You have to admit, a DBT of any one of them would be a rare, dare I say
> a singular event. It would make for a great episode of "MythBusters".

Yes, hearing-impaired Jamie takes on high-end audio.

There was a Nousaine "test" way back. Not interesting.

Stephen

[UnsteadyKen]

Arny Krueger wrote...

> some poor
> numbskull who is wandering by RAO?

Cooee.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Nerd Central is trying to engulf RAO in a tidal wave of NerdSnot.

> > > I've always thought it would be interesting to set up a blind testing

> > You should seek treatment for your condition.

> You have to admit, a DBT of any one of them would be a rare, dare I say

Me? Not on your life. I don't "admit" anything to do with other people's
"tests".

> a singular event. It would make for a great episode of "MythBusters".

If those nerds are your heroes, you must worship Gates and Bezos.

Also, stop using : as your quote character, nerdo.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 30, 5:00*pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> There was a Nousaine "test" way back. Not interesting.

Tom Nousaine was kind enough to mail me a copy of
the article. Unfortunately, Tom's knowledge of blind
testing and his abilty to organize such a test was as
poor as Arny Krueger illustrated in his "JA is MFs
wife" postings today.

> Stephen

Don't you mean "Marc"?

George, er John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 30, 1:27�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 12:32�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 10:25 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 9:52 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> said:
>
>> What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
>> the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer was
>> demonstrating.
>> I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall track and assumed that
>> I had heard 2 different pressings, not the same pressing before and
>> after "demagnetization."
>
> Please post a detailed description of the eye-gouging protocol used to
> sterilize this "test". If you fail to comply with this scieennetiifick
> requirement, you will be admitting you are peddling snake oil.
>


And you will be instantly demoted to third tambourine
in the Born Again Bashers Ensemble.

Marc (VI)

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message


>
> And you will be instantly demoted to third tambourine
> in the Born Again Bashers Ensemble.

Since you don't believe in God Iain, you are going to Hell.

In Hell, you might be forced to listen to tambourine solos, 24/7. ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Uh-oh. I think there's trouble in the doghouse.

> A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.

Scottie, why are you posting on-topic? Are you in the hospital?

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 9:21�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 3:45�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 1:27 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 12:32 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 30, 10:25 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 9:52 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > > > > > > > See
> > > > > > > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > > > > > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > > > > > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > > > > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > > > > > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > > > > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > > > > > > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > > > > > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > > > > > > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > > > > > > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > > > > > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> > > > > > > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > > > > > > anything is actually demagnetized.
>
> > > > > That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the magnetism of
> > > > > vinyl
> > > > > before and after the process yield numbers so small and the change so
> > > > > insignificant
> > > > > that all you're left with are anecdotal claims of sound changes that
> > > > > according to many can be just as easily accomplished with a slight
> > > > > nudge of the volume.
>
> > > > So you have performed this research?
>
> > > I think the information I stumbled on was actually provided by one of
> > > the demagnetizer manufacturers but it has since been pulled as
> > > engineers pointed out that the data actually refuted rather than
> > > supported their claims.
>
> > > Here's an interesting piece of data showing that, until recently, no
> > > one has been able to show carbon can be made magnetic at room temp.
>
> > That's one of many elements that can wind up in regrind.
>
> �Carbon is what makes vinyl black. It's not just in regrind.

That wasn't the point. Oh my.

>
> �Trying to make regrind sound good with a demagnetizer is really
> a fools errand.

Scott, Scott...come back. The discussion is over here!

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >http://www.physorg.com/news98111007.html
>
> > > But hey...if demagnetizing your vinyl works for you....
>
> > > why not demagnetize your cart?
>
> > >http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ABENZDEMAG
>
> > > Oh Look...Fremer recommends it too. It MUST BE good. LoL.
>
> > There have been MC cartridges demagnetizers around since there have
> > been MCs. Have you ever had an MC cartridge that kept collecting big
> > gobs of dust on the tip of the stylus, up and down the cantilever and
> > inside the body?
>
> No. �A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.

You're really not paying attention. If you have a lot of static
electricity in your home, then the dust in the air can be attracted to
your cartridge. Don't jump back and forth between cartridges and
records.

>
> �Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about decent
> vinyl.

Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.

> �Dustballs indeed.

Your comments lead me to believe that your experience with vinyl is
somewhat limited. I, along with many others, have cleaned LPs, played
them immediately and still had dust collect at the tip of the stylus.

Wait, I can see your argument coming. Get a better air filtration
system. Move to an area where it isn't so dry and dusty. Hmmm, the
demagnetizers are cheaper than that.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW2" > wrote in message


>>> Here's an interesting piece of data showing that, until
>>> recently, no one has been able to show carbon can be
>>> made magnetic at room temp.

>> That's one of many elements that can wind up in regrind.

> Carbon is what makes vinyl black. It's not just in regrind.

Agreed.

> Trying to make regrind sound good with a demagnetizer is
> really a fools errand.

>>
>>> http://www.physorg.com/news98111007.html
>>
>>> But hey...if demagnetizing your vinyl works for you....
>>
>>> why not demagnetize your cart?

>>> http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ABENZDEMAG

>>> Oh Look...Fremer recommends it too. It MUST BE good.
>>> LoL.

A well-demagnetized cart will have very low distortion and noise. None at
all in fact, since it won't have any output!

>> There have been MC cartridges demagnetizers around since
>> there have been MCs.

If a MC cartridge demagnetizer does what its name says, then it totally
ruins every cartridge that it is used on.

>> Have you ever had an MC cartridge
>> that kept collecting big gobs of dust on the tip of the
>> stylus, up and down the cantilever and inside the body?

No, because MC cartridges are not the highest performing cartridges around.
The smart money is in MM, and I'm quite Shure of that. ;-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> No, because MC cartridges are not the highest performing cartridges around.
> The smart money is in MM, and I'm quite Shure of that. ;-)

I think that that is quite Clear(audio). ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> You're really not paying attention. If you have a lot of
> static electricity in your home, then the dust in the air can be
> attracted to your cartridge.

Static electicity is also known as an electric field, while magnetism is of
course known as a magnetic field. They are generally independent of each
other. Therefore, demagnetizing cartridges and LPs has no possible effect
on static electricity.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 3:26�am, Andrew Haley >
wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 11:53?am, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
> > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
>
> > > > See
> > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
> > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > anything is actually demagnetized. But yes, there does appear
> > to be an audible effect. Interestingly, my blind observation that
> > there was more bass from the "demagnetized" LP was what the
> > listeners in the room also felt.
> > > Of course there are people here who don't think it can work and have
> > > had no experience with it. Funny how most of these armchair Internet
> > > engineers fall on their faces when it comes to actually using the
> > > Scientific Method to draw conclusions.
> > Just as Arny Krueger has just demonstrated. :-)
>
> Well, let's be serious for a moment. �Say it's possible that the
> people selling the Furutech deMag actually have something real, and
> maybe the world's scientific understanding of the magnetic properties
> of solids is wrong. �The first step would be to prove that the effect
> really is repeatable, the second to find out why.
>
> Andrew.

That's what a real engineer would say. You must be lost. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >, "Arny
> Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>> No, because MC cartridges are not the highest performing
>> cartridges around. The smart money is in MM, and I'm
>> quite Shure of that. ;-)
>
> I think that that is quite Clear(audio). ;-)

Until they did this:

http://www.musicalsurroundings.com/clearaudio/mc.html

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> topics at random.

You noticed. Scottie is bustin'. Rev your engine, Scooter!

> Please stay focused on one thing at a time.

Hey, good idea -- sugar coat it with the magic word. Everybody else just
calls him names like dummy or moron when he gets like this.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Idiot ventures into the light.

> > Uh-oh. I think there's trouble in the doghouse.
> >
> > > A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.
> >
> > Scottie, why are you posting on-topic? Are you in the hospital?

> Tell us about your vinyl rig George?

I don't have one Scooter?

> Oops. George can't get out
> of his chair to change the record.

You must mean my *airline seat* that you paid for so I could come to
*your* house and change *your* records for *you*. And you're right --
even free airfare wouldn't induce me to do that.

> See my Sansa Clip post, perfect for you...though Best Buy doesn't
> take food stamps.

You said something about earbuds. As if I'd let a pair of those into my
house.

Now answer the question, please: Are you running a fever? What are your
symptoms?


--

"I prefer substantive discussion over continuous expressions of unjustified outrage."
Scottie Witlessmongrel, RAO, March 24, 2009

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 10:17�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 31, 9:51�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 3:45 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 30, 1:27 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 12:32 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 10:25 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 30, 9:52 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > See
> > > > > > > > > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > > > > > > > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > > > > > > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > > > > > > > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > > > > > > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > > > > > > > > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > > > > > > > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > > > > > > > > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money.. A couple of
> > > > > > > > > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > > > > > > > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> > > > > > > > > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > > > > > > > > anything is actually demagnetized.
>
> > > > > > > That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the magnetism of
> > > > > > > vinyl
> > > > > > > before and after the process yield numbers so small and the change so
> > > > > > > insignificant
> > > > > > > that all you're left with are anecdotal claims of sound changes that
> > > > > > > according to many can be just as easily accomplished with a slight
> > > > > > > nudge of the volume.
>
> > > > > > So you have performed this research?
>
> > > > > I think the information I stumbled on was actually provided by one of
> > > > > the demagnetizer manufacturers but it has since been pulled as
> > > > > engineers pointed out that the data actually refuted rather than
> > > > > supported their claims.
>
> > > > > Here's an interesting piece of data showing that, until recently, no
> > > > > one has been able to show carbon can be made magnetic at room temp.
>
> > > > That's one of many elements that can wind up in regrind.
>
> > > Carbon is what makes vinyl black. It's not just in regrind.
>
> > That wasn't the point. Oh my.
>
> � Oh my indeed. It appears you had no point.

No, it appears that you missed the point.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Trying to make regrind sound good with a demagnetizer is really
> > > a fools errand.
>
> > Scott, Scott...come back. The discussion is over here!
>
> > > > >http://www.physorg.com/news98111007.html
>
> > > > > But hey...if demagnetizing your vinyl works for you....
>
> > > > > why not demagnetize your cart?
>
> > > > >http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ABENZDEMAG
>
> > > > > Oh Look...Fremer recommends it too. It MUST BE good. LoL.
>
> > > > There have been MC cartridges demagnetizers around since there have
> > > > been MCs. Have you ever had an MC cartridge that kept collecting big
> > > > gobs of dust on the tip of the stylus, up and down the cantilever and
> > > > inside the body?
>
> > > No. A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.
>
> > You're really not paying attention. If you have a lot of static
> > electricity in your home, then the dust in the air can be attracted to
> > your cartridge.
>
> �Do you understand the difference between static electricity and
> magnetism? �Apparently not.

I do. I'm sorry...I'm just speaking from personal experience with
these devices. You're speaking from a textbook you read thirty years
ago.

>
> > �Don't jump back and forth between cartridges and
> > records.
>
> �Like your dust. �I keep my records clean and use a dust cover
> as I don't want the random dust particle getting ground into the vinyl
> by it's ill-timed landing in front of a stylus.

Unless you live in a completely sterile environment, that can still
happen.
>
>
>
> > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about decent
> > > vinyl.
>
> > Of course not.
>
> � Nice admission.

Are you inserting new text into this discussion?

>
> >That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> > > Dustballs indeed.
>
> > Your comments lead me to believe that your experience with vinyl is
> > somewhat limited. I, along with many others, have cleaned LPs, played
> > them immediately and still had dust collect at the tip of the stylus.
>
> �The unnamed "many others" argument. �

Do you want a list of everyone I know before you can have a discussion
with me?

Why don't you use a dust cover?
> Oh..I know...because some audiophool said they're bad and detract from
> the view.

I have a dust cover on my turntable. I use it.
>
>
>
> > Wait, I can see your argument coming. �Get a better air filtration
> > system.
>
> � That's right. �Any real audiophool has installed HEPA filtration
> system
> in their listening room.

That's not an answer.

>
> > �Move to an area where it isn't so dry and dusty. Hmmm, the
> > demagnetizers are cheaper than that.
>
> �So is your regrind record collection apparently.

That's a big and unfounded assumption. I am a collector, however,
which means that not every LP I own is pristine. Let me guess...you
have a few dozen albums and the vast majority are audiophile pressings
you received through mail order. That's an audiophile, not a music
lover.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The clarity of mud oozes through Witlessmongrel's sludgy prose.

> > > * Tell us about your vinyl rig George? *
> >
> > I don't have one Scooter?
>
> Try to calm down and properly punctuate your statements.

Self-mockery noted.


--

" This one was highlighted by MM to draw attention while I think
it's not the most aggregious provision but it still has issues."

-- Scottie Witlessmongrel, self-described excellent writer, Feb. 22 2009

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 11:39�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 31, 10:46�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 10:17 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 9:51 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 3:45 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 1:27 pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 30, 12:32 pm, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 10:25 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 9:52 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 11:53 am, calvin coolidge >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:41 pm, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel confident in stating the LP demagnetizer is horse****.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > See
> > > > > > > > > > > > >http://blog.stereophile.com/stephenmejias/a_visit_to_mikeys_and_the_g...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What I found interesting was that I heard a difference from outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the room and I was _not_ actually aware of what Michael Fremer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was demonstrating. I heard 2 presentations of the same Diana Krall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > track and assumed that I had heard 2 different pressings, not the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > same pressing before and after "demagnetization."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> For the group, the question
> > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't whether or not demagnetization worked, but why the machine had
> > > > > > > > > > > > to cost so much and how it could be made for less money. A couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > > these individuals were electrical engineers. Both of them said that
> > > > > > > > > > > > there were a lot of reasons why demagnetization would work on LPs.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I put "demagnetizer" in quotes because I think it not proven that
> > > > > > > > > > > anything is actually demagnetized.
>
> > > > > > > > > That's because any attempt to measure in real terms the magnetism of
> > > > > > > > > vinyl
> > > > > > > > > before and after the process yield numbers so small and the change so
> > > > > > > > > insignificant
> > > > > > > > > that all you're left with are anecdotal claims of sound changes that
> > > > > > > > > according to many can be just as easily accomplished with a slight
> > > > > > > > > nudge of the volume.
>
> > > > > > > > So you have performed this research?
>
> > > > > > > I think the information I stumbled on was actually provided by one of
> > > > > > > the demagnetizer manufacturers but it has since been pulled as
> > > > > > > engineers pointed out that the data actually refuted rather than
> > > > > > > supported their claims.
>
> > > > > > > Here's an interesting piece of data showing that, until recently, no
> > > > > > > one has been able to show carbon can be made magnetic at room temp.
>
> > > > > > That's one of many elements that can wind up in regrind.
>
> > > > > Carbon is what makes vinyl black. It's not just in regrind.
>
> > > > That wasn't the point. Oh my.
>
> > > Oh my indeed. It appears you had no point.
>
> > No, it appears that you missed the point.
>
> �So you keep repeating while all the time failing to ever
> make a point.
> � Carbon is regrind wasn't relevant...so try again.

Okay, fair enough. The truth is, regrind is often used without any
sort of discolsure from the pressing plant. I know you've encountered
pressings that were disappointing. That might be more than just a
quality control issue. I've visited several pressing plants as well as
a few mastering studios, and sometimes you walk into an ungodly mess.

So while in a perfect world every LP is made from virgin vinyl, the
truth is actually that these pressings can be quite impure. And if
that's the case, the presence of materials that may be influenced by
demagnetization seems fairly reasonable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Trying to make regrind sound good with a demagnetizer is really
> > > > > a fools errand.
>
> > > > Scott, Scott...come back. The discussion is over here!
>
> > > > > > >http://www.physorg.com/news98111007.html
>
> > > > > > > But hey...if demagnetizing your vinyl works for you....
>
> > > > > > > why not demagnetize your cart?
>
> > > > > > >http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ABENZDEMAG
>
> > > > > > > Oh Look...Fremer recommends it too. It MUST BE good. LoL.
>
> > > > > > There have been MC cartridges demagnetizers around since there have
> > > > > > been MCs. Have you ever had an MC cartridge that kept collecting big
> > > > > > gobs of dust on the tip of the stylus, up and down the cantilever and
> > > > > > inside the body?
>
> > > > > No. A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine..
>
> > > > You're really not paying attention. If you have a lot of static
> > > > electricity in your home, then the dust in the air can be attracted to
> > > > your cartridge.
>
> > > Do you understand the difference between static electricity and
> > > magnetism? Apparently not.
>
> > I do. I'm sorry...I'm just speaking from personal experience with
> > these devices.
>
> �LoL. �It's just funny when you try to ignorantly explain the cause
> of your personal experience.

No. I never said that static electricity and magnetic fields are the
same thing. We've discussed many topics in this thread, including
cable elevators (which may help with static electricity). The point
isn't that these two things are related, but that they can both
influence the migration of dustparticles and other impurities.

>
> > �You're speaking from a textbook you read thirty years
> > ago.
>
> �Now how would a sockpuppet know that?

I'm not a sockpuppet, but I am posting under an alias. I never said I
was a newcomer to RAO. I'm just like Fedup Lurker, or Herbert Hoover
or Hophead--people who don't want people like Arny going real world on
them. And if you have a problem with that, think back to the time when
your last name was mentioned here for the first time. How did it make
you feel? You're no different than me in that respect.


>
> �But do you suppose the laws of physics have changed in those
> 30 years? �LoL.

Do YOU suppose that there have been no advances in physics in the last
30 years? I have a collection of research annuals here that would
prove otherwise.

>
>
>
> > > > Don't jump back and forth between cartridges and
> > > > records.
>
> > > Like your dust. I keep my records clean and use a dust cover
> > > as I don't want the random dust particle getting ground into the vinyl
> > > by it's ill-timed landing in front of a stylus.
>
> > Unless you live in a completely sterile environment, that can still
> > happen.
>
> �It's a lot less likely if you don't leave your records exposed to
> room
> dust while playing. � See...I don't have furballs building up on my
> stylus.

Again, that's why I brought up static electricity in the first place.
An experienced vinyl user would know exactly what I was talking about.


> You do. � I think you should consider how I accomplish that.
> I clean my albums. �I use the best sleeves I can find (though I've yet
> to find any that are dust free), and before every play I use a
> discwasher (or eq.).
> No furballs on my stylus. �On dry Santa Anna days the albums can build
> up a charge while playing so I use my zerostat before putting them
> away
> and sometimes, if required, before playing though the damp discwasher
> usually dissipated any static charge.

That's all very nice. You take good care of your records. So do I.

>
>
>
> > > > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about decent
> > > > > vinyl.
>
> > > > Of course not.
>
> > > Nice admission.
>
> > Are you inserting new text into this discussion?
>
> �Just pointing out your self awareness, kudos to you.

That's childish. I won't play that game with you.
>
>
>
> > > >That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > > > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> > > > > Dustballs indeed.
>
> > > > Your comments lead me to believe that your experience with vinyl is
> > > > somewhat limited. I, along with many others, have cleaned LPs, played
> > > > them immediately and still had dust collect at the tip of the stylus.
>
> > > The unnamed "many others" argument.
>
> > Do you want a list of everyone I know before you can have a discussion
> > with me?
>
> �No, I want your arguments to stand on their own merit. �Not
> unsubstantiated claims of shared BS experience of dustballs.

That's a ridiculous statement. You're saying that dust never collects
on the tips of stylii, and that you need scientific confirmation
before you submit to my point.

>
>
>
> > Why don't you use a dust cover?
>
> > > Oh..I know...because some audiophool said they're bad and detract from
> > > the view.
>
> > I have a dust cover on my turntable. I use it.
>
> � So how does all that dust get inside your dust cover?

I'm sorry...I haven't figured out how to place an LP on a platter
without lifting the dust cover. LOL!

> I can leave an album on my TT under the dust cover for days with no
> dust. �Why can't you?

So you own a single LP and you never lift the dust cover to remove it?
You're just being contrary and you're starting to sound very juvenile.

>
>
>
> > > > Wait, I can see your argument coming. Get a better air filtration
> > > > system.
>
> > > That's right. Any real audiophool has installed HEPA filtration
> > > system
> > > in their listening room.
>
> > That's not an answer.
>
> �It was a sarcastic answer to a sarcastic comment.
> �You don't like sarcasm for your sarcasm?

My comment wasn't sarcastic. Do you understand what sarcasm is?

>
>
>
> > > > Move to an area where it isn't so dry and dusty. Hmmm, the
> > > > demagnetizers are cheaper than that.
>
> > > So is your regrind record collection apparently.
>
> > That's a big and unfounded assumption. I am a collector, however,
> > which means that not every LP I own is pristine. Let me guess...you
> > have a few dozen albums and the vast majority are audiophile pressings
> > you received through mail order.
>
> �I'm guessing over 500 as I haven't ever counted.
> �Many of my albums are audiophile pressings and my interest in
> collecting regrind pressings is zero. �Why you say? �Because I love
> music over a gritty sounding album collection.

I have nearly 5000 LPs. Some of them are audiophile pressings, some of
them are rare and valuable. Some of them I just love for the music on
it. I don't limit myself to pristine albums. I have a Technics SL1200
for the less than perfect ones, and a Rega P9 for the good stuff.
What do you use?

>
> > �That's an audiophile, not a music
> > lover.
>
> � LoL. �A music lover is someone who collects music on the worst
> quality format available to them....regrind vinyl? � What an odd
> definition.
> I think a music lover would opt for something that sounds good.

I think you're obsessing over regrind. My point was that it's hard to
know what you're getting. So please move on...you're getting pretty
silly.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> I do. I'm sorry...I'm just speaking from personal
> experience with these devices.

Actually, you're a liar and blackmailer who is hiding behind a false name.
You can say anything you want with zero accoutability. Paint yourself into a
corner with lie after lie, and you just change your alias.

> You're speaking from a textbook you read
> thirty years ago.

That part of the book hasn't changed, but how would you know, both the old
book and the new book are way over your head!

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> I think you're obsessing over regrind. My point was that
> it's hard to know what you're getting.

If that was your point then it was irrelevant to the discussion of vinyl
demagnetizers.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 31, 2:07*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 31, 11:53*am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > The clarity of mud oozes through Witlessmongrel's sludgy prose.
>
> > > > > * Tell us about your vinyl rig George? *
>
> > > > I don't have one Scooter?
>
> > > * Try to calm down and properly punctuate your statements.
>
> > Self-mockery noted.
>
> *Oh dear...poor George is reduced to IKYABWAI.
> How the once mighty have fallen. *LoL.

I think you should attack George's hypocrisy next. You know, like how
he doesm't have 'integrity' and stuff.

Your hypocrisy and integrity posts make me laugh almost as hard as
your grammar and word definition posts.

LoL.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 31, 11:51*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about decent
> > vinyl.
>
> Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.

Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Mar 31, 11:51 am, calvin coolidge
> > wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>>> Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat
>>> about decent vinyl.
>>
>> Of course not. That's because you're all over the place,
>> arguing topics at random. Please stay focused on one
>> thing at a time.
>
> Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.

Expecting someone who posts under a nym that is in essence a lie, to tell
the truth is just plain crazy.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 12:36�pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:01�pm, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > That's a big and unfounded assumption. I am a collector, however,
> > > > which means that not every LP I own is pristine. Let me guess...you
> > > > have a few dozen albums and the vast majority are audiophile pressings
> > > > you received through mail order.
>
> > > I'm guessing over 500 as I haven't ever counted.
> > > Many of my albums are audiophile pressings and my interest in
> > > collecting regrind pressings is zero. Why you say? Because I love
> > > music over a gritty sounding album collection.
>
> > I have nearly 5000 LPs. Some of them are audiophile pressings, some of
> > them are rare and valuable. Some of them I just love for the music on
> > it. I don't limit myself to pristine albums. I have a Technics SL1200
> > for the less than perfect ones, and a Rega P9 for the good stuff.
> > What do you use?
>
> �A Mitsubihi LT-30 with OC-9 cart and low mass AT shell.
>
> http://www.vinylengine.com/library/mitsubishi/lt-30.shtml
>
>
>
> > > > That's an audiophile, not a music
> > > > lover.
>
> > > LoL. A music lover is someone who collects music on the worst
> > > quality format available to them....regrind vinyl? What an odd
> > > definition.
> > > I think a music lover would opt for something that sounds good.
>
> > I think you're obsessing over regrind. My point was that it's hard to
> > know what you're getting.
>
> �True, my point is that demagnetizing what you get isn't going to
> help.

Demagnetizing won't turn regrind into an audiophile pressing. Will it
make it sound better? Neither of us knows until we try it.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 1:03�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 11:51�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about decent
> > > vinyl.
>
> > Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.

I know. Even I can't make sense of my comments about static
electricity and demagnetization. I can't even tell what he's talking
about anymore. My bad.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 31, 4:03*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 11:51*am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about
> > > decent vinyl.
> >
> > Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.

Give ScottW his due: he does have an LP playback rig
and knows how to use it. Unlike GOIA who, as his posts
today reveal, doesn't know that moving-coil phono
cartridges, with their large, strong permanent magnets,
benefit from treatment with a demagnetizer, whereas
moving-magnet cartridges, with their tiny speck of
magnetic material, will indeed stop working when treated
the same way.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 31, 3:58*pm, wrote:
> On Mar 31, 4:03*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 11:51*am, calvin coolidge >
> > wrote:
> > > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about
> > > > decent vinyl.
>
> > > Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> > Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.
>
> Give ScottW his due: he does have an LP playback rig
> and knows how to use it. Unlike GOIA who, as his posts
> today reveal, doesn't know that moving-coil phono
> cartridges, with their large, strong permanent magnets,
> benefit from treatment with a demagnetizer, whereas
> moving-magnet cartridges, with their tiny speck of
> magnetic material, will indeed stop working when treated
> the same way.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

Marc, why do you call yourself "John"?

Anyway, while 2pid may indeed have an LP rig his posts are still
nonsensical, poorly-written, poorly-thought-out angry diatribes. He's
an imbecile.

GOIA, OTOH, is insane and should therefore get a "pass" on not
understanding how things work. 2pid claims to be an "engineer" and
should therefore understand simple concepts (like sentence
construction). LoL.

So I stand behind my comment, Marc.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> If you keep going, then I'm just going to assume you do have an addictive
> personality and I'll let you wage all your little wars without me.

I have a suggestion for when a Normal feels worn out after having a
'discussion' with Scottie Witlessmongrel: Page the Krooborg. Arnii, like
Scottie, likes beating dead horses, or shaving microscopic slivers off
of all-but-imaginary hairs of difference, or spoiling an already spoiled
broth by overcooking, etc. When Scottie gets like this, it will serve
him right if you or any other Normal tells him to finish the
'discussion' with Arnii.



--
>> There all nuts.
> Were you trying to say "There go all the nuts"? Or "Where are all the nuts"?
For an old english teacher you suck at interpretation. How about "they're all nuts. "
Scottie Witlessmongrel, 28 October 2008

[[email protected]]

On Mar 31, 5:04*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 3:58*pm, wrote:
> > Give ScottW his due: he does have an LP playback rig
> > and knows how to use it. Unlike GOIA who, as his posts
> > today reveal, doesn't know that moving-coil phono
> > cartridges, with their large, strong permanent magnets,
> > benefit from treatment with a demagnetizer, whereas
> > moving-magnet cartridges, with their tiny speck of
> > magnetic material, will indeed stop working when treated
> > the same way.
>
> > John Atkinson
> > Editor, Stereophile
>
> Marc, why do you call yourself "John"?

I'm still George Middius this week.

> GOIA, OTOH, is insane and should therefore get a "pass" on not
> understanding how things work. 2pid claims to be an "engineer"
> and should therefore understand simple concepts (like sentence
> construction). LoL.

I've long felt that English is not ScottW's first language,
which helps explain his antagonistic attitude to immigrants.
As a recent immigrant, he wishes to close the door in the
face of those would would like to emigrate to the US, a not
uncommon syndrome. This would also explain his lack of
knowledge about the US Constitution, the American political
system, and the US military, etc.

> So I stand behind my comment, Marc.

You got it, George.

Marc Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> Give ScottW his due: he does have an LP playback rig
> and knows how to use it. Unlike My Lord And Master who, as his posts
> today reveal, doesn't know that moving-coil phono
> cartridges, with their large, strong permanent magnets,
> benefit from treatment with a demagnetizer, whereas
> moving-magnet cartridges, with their tiny speck of
> magnetic material, will indeed stop working when treated
> the same way.

Yes Grasshopper, I've got a serious problem with not being up on the latest
fashions in pseudo-science. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> GOIA, OTOH, is insane and should therefore get a "pass"
> on not understanding how things work. 2pid claims to be
> an "engineer" and should therefore understand simple
> concepts (like sentence construction). LoL.

> So I stand behind my comment, Marc.

In fact Grasshopper, you stand behind absolutely nothing, as long as you
post under a fake nym.

[[email protected]]

On 31 Mar, 12:21, ScottW2 > wrote:


>
> No. *A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.
>

LOL!!!!!
I certainly would not want 'your' dust on 'my' records.

[[email protected]]

On 31 Mar, 15:38, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "calvin coolidge" > wrote in


>
> Actually, you're a liar and blackmailer who is hiding behind a false name.


LOL!!!
Calvin found your kp stash on one of your old hard drives, and he will
only keep quiet about it if you send him some of your obsolete sound
cards.
the *******!

[[email protected]]

On 31 Mar, 16:11, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:51 am, calvin coolidge
> > > wrote:
> >> On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> >>> Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat
> >>> about decent vinyl.
>
> >> Of course not. That's because you're all over the place,
> >> arguing topics at random. Please stay focused on one
> >> thing at a time.
>
> > Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.
>
> Expecting someone who posts under a nym that is in essence a lie, to tell
> the truth is just plain crazy.

figuring out exactly what you mean, to a sane and literate person is
impossible

[[email protected]]

On 31 Mar, 17:04, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 3:58*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 4:03*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Mar 31, 11:51*am, calvin coolidge >
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > > > Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat about
> > > > > decent vinyl.
>
> > > > Of course not. That's because you're all over the place, arguing
> > > > topics at random. Please stay focused on one thing at a time.
>
> > > Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.
>
> > Give ScottW his due: he does have an LP playback rig
> > and knows how to use it. Unlike GOIA who, as his posts
> > today reveal, doesn't know that moving-coil phono
> > cartridges, with their large, strong permanent magnets,
> > benefit from treatment with a demagnetizer, whereas
> > moving-magnet cartridges, with their tiny speck of
> > magnetic material, will indeed stop working when treated
> > the same way.
>
> > John Atkinson
> > Editor, Stereophile
>
> Marc, why do you call yourself "John"?
>
> Anyway, while 2pid may indeed have an LP rig his posts are still
> nonsensical, poorly-written, poorly-thought-out angry diatribes. He's
> an imbecile.
>
> GOIA, OTOH, is insane and should therefore get a "pass" on not
> understanding how things work. 2pid claims to be an "engineer" and
> should therefore understand simple concepts (like sentence
> construction). LoL.
>
> So I stand behind my comment, Marc.-

All engineering students should be required to take a
class in grammar engineering.

[calvin coolidge]

On Mar 31, 8:45�pm, wrote:
> On 31 Mar, 16:11, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote in
>
> > > On Mar 31, 11:51 am, calvin coolidge
> > > > wrote:
> > >> On Mar 31, 9:21 am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>
> > >>> Your comments leave me believing you don't know squat
> > >>> about decent vinyl.
>
> > >> Of course not. That's because you're all over the place,
> > >> arguing topics at random. Please stay focused on one
> > >> thing at a time.
>
> > > Asking 2pid to focus is a fool's errand. LoL.
>
> > Expecting someone who posts under a nym so that I can't report them to their employers is in essence a lie to me
> > since I'm just plain crazy.
>
> figuring out exactly what you mean, to a sane and literate person is
> impossible-

I think I caught the jist of it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 31, 10:47*pm, wrote:

> All engineering students should be required to take a
> class in grammar engineering.

A class in basic logic would be nice. Failing that, one in non-
imbecility would be OK too.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 31, 10:36*pm, wrote:
> On 31 Mar, 12:21, ScottW2 > wrote:

> > No. *A better idea is to keep your records free of dust, like mine.

> LOL!!!!!
> I certainly would not want 'your' dust on 'my' records.

Is 2pid dusty as well as stupid?

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 1, 12:14�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 10:47�pm, wrote:
>
> > All engineering students should be required to take a
> > class in grammar engineering.
>
> A class in basic logic would be nice. Failing that, one in non-
> imbecility would be OK too.

I notice that many engineers in the audio world lack experience with
cognitive and social sciences. They spent so much time studying
physics and math and engineering that they forgot to learn about human
experience and how to share and interrelate with others. As they get
older, they become more dysfunctional in this way because they simply
give up trying to deal with those who refuse to think in purely
scientific manner. They tend to lack intuition, well-developed
emotions and an appreciation for the arts. I think we have a couple of
glowing examples right here.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message


> I notice that many engineers in the audio world lack
> experience with cognitive and social sciences.

So do many sockpuppets, such as you, Cal.

You've got no believable credentials at all. Good possibility that you drank
your way out of college in the first semester.

Is this some kind of class warfare on your part Cal - publicly insulting
people who unlike you were able to graduate and obtain a job in their chosen
profession?

> They spent
> so much time studying physics and math and engineering
> that they forgot to learn about human experience and how
> to share and interrelate with others.

You're such a coward Cal, bravely posting and emailing insults under an
alias. Is childish behavior like this something that you learned in that one
semester of university courses that you attended on those rare days when you
could get yourself out of bed after night after night of taking drugs and
drinking?

> As they get older,
> they become more dysfunctional in this way because they
> simply give up trying to deal with those who refuse to
> think in purely scientific manner.

What about someone like you Cal, someone who is so dysfunctional and
cowardly that they can only communicate via anonymous threats and insults?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 1, 10:30*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 1, 12:14 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 10:47 pm, wrote:
>
> > > All engineering students should be required to take a
> > > class in grammar engineering.
>
> > A class in basic logic would be nice. Failing that, one in non-
> > imbecility would be OK too.
>
> I notice that many engineers in the audio world lack experience with
> cognitive and social sciences. They spent so much time studying
> physics and math and engineering that they forgot to learn about human
> experience and how to share and interrelate with others. As they get
> older, they become more dysfunctional in this way because they simply
> give up trying to deal with those who refuse to think in purely
> scientific manner. They tend to lack intuition, well-developed
> emotions and an appreciation for the arts. I think we have a couple of
> glowing examples right here.

I would hesitate to call 2pid's reasoning "logical". I'd love to see
him design a proper experiment of any kind. He could not do it. So he
is illogical AND incapable of communication with people.

Which make him a imbecile.

And GOIA is insane. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

> On Apr 1, 1:25?pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 1:52?pm, calvin coolidge
>> > wrote:

>> ?The analysis puts the probability so low than I'm not
>> going to spend $20
>> let alone $2,000 to find out.

> It cost me nothing to find out.

Right, trips through the imagination are free.

Even so Cal, you came up with the wrong answer.

>> Nor will Atkinson and Fremer putting their credibility
>> on the line sway me.

> Why would it with your obvious biases?

Yes, it appears Scotty is another one of those people that you envy, who
could actually pass an engineering course.

>> It actually is a data point against the product as
>> they're more BS than fact.

> Whatever that means.

Inability to parse English noted.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

> On Apr 1, 1:28?pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
>> On Apr 1, 8:30?am, calvin coolidge
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 1, 12:14 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On Mar 31, 10:47 pm, wrote:
>>
>>>>> All engineering students should be required to take a
>>>>> class in grammar engineering.
>>
>>>> A class in basic logic would be nice. Failing that,
>>>> one in non- imbecility would be OK too.
>>
>>> I notice that many engineers in the audio world lack
>>> experience with cognitive and social sciences. They
>>> spent so much time studying physics and math and
>>> engineering that they forgot to learn about human
>>> experience and how to share and interrelate with
>>> others. As they get older, they become more
>>> dysfunctional in this way because they simply give up
>>> trying to deal with those who refuse to think in purely
>>> scientific manner.
>>
>> ?Really? ?I thought it was tiring of dealing with fools
>> and morons who talk **** but don't really know anything
>> about anything.
>
> Kind of like you and politics?

"Cal", its exactly like you and audio. There's a good reason why you won't
post under your true name, and that is all about how you humiliate yourself
whenever you try to talk about audio.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 2, 10:33�am, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2:11�pm, MiNe 109 � > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
>
> > �ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > �Really? �I thought it was tiring of dealing with fools and morons who
> > > talk **** but don't really know anything about anything.
>
> > Really? That's how some of us feel about you.
>
> �All the fools and morons gather under the "us" banner.
> It's all they have to defend their ignorance.

On the flip side, you have people like you and Arny who are at odds
with everyone else, but somehow twist that into some sort of
validation that you're right about everything. IMO, you're just a step
away from strapping on a sandwich board and walking up and down Main
Steet warning everyone about the end of the world.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

> On Apr 2, 10:33?am, ScottW2 > wrote:
>> On Apr 1, 2:11?pm, MiNe 109 ?
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>
>>> ?ScottW2 > wrote:
>>>> ?Really? ?I thought it was tiring of dealing with
>>>> fools and morons who talk **** but don't really know
>>>> anything about anything.
>>
>>> Really? That's how some of us feel about you.
>>
>> ?All the fools and morons gather under the "us" banner.
>> It's all they have to defend their ignorance.
>
> On the flip side, you have people like you and Arny who
> are at odds with everyone else,

Wrong again.

OK, so the maybe 6-8 sockpuppets on RAO, operated by one or two people, who
have made a career out of trying to belittle me are at odds with me.

But what about the rest of the world?

What about the other audio Usenet groups where there are people with a good
education in science? The good people who were chased away from RAO by the
Middiot posse?

What about the good people on the HTML groups that I visit every day?

What about my doznes of audio friends where I live?

What about all the people I've worked with over the years who were also
well-educated in science?

Bottom line Cal, you can't spin ideas that neither you nor any of the
sockpuppets on RAO will stand behind with your real names, into facts.

Get a life!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 12:33*pm, ScottW2 > wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2:11*pm, MiNe 109 * > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
>
> > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > *Really? *I thought it was tiring of dealing with fools and morons who
> > > talk **** but don't really know anything about anything.
>
> > Really? That's how some of us feel about you.
>
> *All the fools and morons gather under the "us" banner.
> It's all they have to defend their ignorance.

While you could have "the will of the people" behind your right to
post here, 2pid.

So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the people" mere
lip service and jingoism?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in message
>
>
> > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > the sight of George or me and run away.
>
> They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing to back what
> you say up with your true names.

Very few do, of course. How many here...you, me, John... that's about
it.

[[email protected]]

On 2 Apr, 18:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > the sight of George or me and run away.
>
> They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing to back what
> you say up with your true names.

send me your drivers license and checking account info, so i can
verify
that you are who you say you are

[[email protected]]

On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the
> > people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>
> Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of sockpuppetry *that is
> your total existence on RAO.

yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while you are at it

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
ScottW2 > wrote:

> On Apr 1, 2:11*pm, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > *Really? *I thought it was tiring of dealing with fools and morons who
> > > talk **** but don't really know anything about anything.
> >
> > Really? That's how some of us feel about you.
>
> All the fools and morons gather under the "us" banner.
> It's all they have to defend their ignorance.

Keep a civil tongue discussing the Stars and Stripes, bub.

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 5:25*pm, wrote:
> On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > > So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the
> > > people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>
> > Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of sockpuppetry *that is
> > your total existence on RAO.
>
> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while you are at it

That would be insane since there are people like GOIA here. They do
crazy things with personal information.

Another example of that is 2pid. Look at how jealous he is of my
military status and the fact that I'm a good singer. LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW2" > wrote in message


> I wasn't at odds with anyone when I first ventured into
> RAO but my rejection of the "resistance" has apparently
> left me at odds with everyone
> left. So be it.

Ahh, the days when there were signs of intelligent life around RAO. The
days before the Middiot chased all the real people off.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 2, 5:25 pm, wrote:
>> On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>>>> So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of
>>>> the people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>>
>>> Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of
>>> sockpuppetry that is your total existence on RAO.
>>
>> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while
>> you are at it
>
> That would be insane since there are people like GOIA
> here. They do crazy things with personal information.

So says Cal who goes on and on in private email about his threats to sent
hate mail to my wife and pastor.

So said Marc, who attacked me in the real world on at least six different
occasions.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 2, 3:25�pm, wrote:
> On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote in
>
> > > So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the
> > > people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>
> > Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of sockpuppetry �that is
> > your total existence on RAO.
>
> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while you are at it

The funny thing is that we aren't a bunch of sockpuppets. We tell each
other our real names and identities and merely keep them from people
like Arny who are likely to go "real world" on us. In other words,
this is yet another club that Arny has to observe from the outside
looking in.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde said:

> > > So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the
> > > people" mere lip service and jingoism?
> >
> > Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of sockpuppetry *that is
> > your total existence on RAO.
>
> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while you are at it

I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
directly for "God".

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> The funny thing is that we aren't a bunch of sockpuppets. We tell each
> other our real names and identities and merely keep them from people
> like Arny who are likely to go "real world" on us. In other words,
> this is yet another club that Arny has to observe from the outside
> looking in.

The Krooborg has already admitted he doesn't understand the difference
between a sockpuppet and a pseudonym.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 2, 4:45�pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> calvin coolidge said:
>
> > The funny thing is that we aren't a bunch of sockpuppets. We tell each
> > other our real names and identities and merely keep them from people
> > like Arny who are likely to go "real world" on us. In other words,
> > this is yet another club that Arny has to observe from the outside
> > looking in.
>
> The Krooborg has already admitted he doesn't understand the difference
> between a sockpuppet and a pseudonym.

Exactly. Jim Smith, for instance, is a sockpuppet.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW2 > wrote:

> On Apr 2, 3:22*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > > wrote in message
> >
> >
> > > > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > > > the sight of George or me and run away.
> >
> > > They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing to back
> > > what
> > > you say up with your true names.
> >
> > Very few do, of course. *How many here...you, me, John... that's about
> > it.
>
> Aktkinson is just advertising.

Obviously a "great" tactic around here! lol Regardless, what I said is
true. I should add Iain to that list.

>
> Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real" name than I do.
> Actually less.

Have you ever revealed your full name here? I have, several times.

[Arny Krueger]

"calvin coolidge" > wrote in
message

> On Apr 2, 3:25?pm, wrote:
>> On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>> >
>>> wrote in
>>>
>>
>>>> So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of
>>>> the people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>>
>>> Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of
>>> sockpuppetry ?that is
>>> your total existence on RAO.
>>
>> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while
>> you are at it

> The funny thing is that we aren't a bunch of sockpuppets.

You are to the general public. That is who matter.

Whatever hand-holding goes on in private should remain private.

[[email protected]]

On 3 Apr, 07:34, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "calvin coolidge" > wrote in
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 2, 3:25?pm, wrote:
> >> On 2 Apr, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>> >
> >>> wrote in
> >>>
>
> >>>> So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of
> >>>> the people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>
> >>> Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of
> >>> sockpuppetry ?that is
> >>> your total existence on RAO.
>
> >> yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while
> >> you are at it
> > The funny thing is that we aren't a bunch of sockpuppets.
>
> You are to the general public. That *is who matter.
>
> Whatever hand-holding goes on in private should remain private.-

We are back to Nate's dead body, I see.
You shouldn't have brought it up again.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 8:55*pm, Jenn > wrote:

> *ScottW2 > wrote:

> > Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real" name than I do.
> > Actually less.
>
> Have you ever revealed your full name here? *I have, several times.

There you go again, Jenn. You can't apply normal standards when
'discussing' things with 2pid.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 6:44*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Clyde said:
>
> > > > So what do you say? Or is your faith in "the will of the
> > > > people" mere lip service and jingoism?
>
> > > Show us some real people, instead of the travesty of sockpuppetry *that is
> > > your total existence on RAO.
>
> > yes Cal, and list your employer's name and number while you are at it
>
> I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> directly for "God".

That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> > directly for "God".
>
> That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(

I'd hate to think there were no embellishments at all, though. Like that
scene where Cheney went on his "empire" rant. That must have been part
fiction.

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 3, 10:50�am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> > > directly for "God".
>
> > That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(
>
> I'd hate to think there were no embellishments at all, though. Like that
> scene where Cheney went on his "empire" rant. That must have been part
> fiction.

From what I heard, Stone was so worried that people would remember the
liberties he took with the script for "JFK" that he made sure that
every line of dialogue from "W" could be verified by first-hand
sources.

Scary.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 2, 8:55 pm, Jenn >
> wrote:
>
>> ScottW2 > wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real"
>>> name than I do. Actually less.
>>
>> Have you ever revealed your full name here? I have,
>> several times.
>
> There you go again, Jenn. You can't apply normal
> standards when 'discussing' things with 2pid.

Ironic that you would chime in on a post dealing with true names,
sockpuppet.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

calvin coolidge said:

> > > > I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> > > > directly for "God".
> >
> > > That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(
> >
> > I'd hate to think there were no embellishments at all, though. Like that
> > scene where Cheney went on his "empire" rant. That must have been part
> > fiction.
>
> From what I heard, Stone was so worried that people would remember the
> liberties he took with the script for "JFK" that he made sure that
> every line of dialogue from "W" could be verified by first-hand
> sources.
> Scary.

I wonder about that. There were a couple of scenes of "Geo" and Laura
alone in their bedroom. The dialog had to be part speculation.

[vlad]

On Apr 3, 10:52*am, calvin coolidge >
wrote:
> On Apr 3, 10:50 am, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> > > > directly for "God".
>
> > > That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(
>
> > I'd hate to think there were no embellishments at all, though. Like that
> > scene where Cheney went on his "empire" rant. That must have been part
> > fiction.
>
> From what I heard, Stone was so worried that people would remember the
> liberties he took with the script for "JFK" that he made sure that
> every line of dialogue from "W" could be verified by first-hand
> sources.
>
> Scary.

Do you seriously consider Oliver Stone as a credible source?

You know, some people believe that TV-show "West wing" is a
documentary from Oval Office :-)

vlad

[calvin coolidge]

On Apr 3, 1:01�pm, vlad > wrote:
> On Apr 3, 10:52�am, calvin coolidge >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 10:50 am, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
>
> > > Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > > I just saw Oliver Stone's "W". Apparently Bush believed he worked
> > > > > directly for "God".
>
> > > > That movie would've been very funny if it was fictional. :-(
>
> > > I'd hate to think there were no embellishments at all, though. Like that
> > > scene where Cheney went on his "empire" rant. That must have been part
> > > fiction.
>
> > From what I heard, Stone was so worried that people would remember the
> > liberties he took with the script for "JFK" that he made sure that
> > every line of dialogue from "W" could be verified by first-hand
> > sources.
>
> > Scary.
>
> Do you seriously consider Oliver Stone as a credible source?

No, I don't. You're assuming that's where I got the info.

>
> You know, some people believe that TV-show "West wing" is a
> documentary from Oval Office :-)

That's very nice, little boy. Want a lolly?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW2 > wrote:

> On Apr 2, 6:55*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > On Apr 2, 3:22*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > > > > wrote in message
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > > > > > the sight of George or me and run away.
> >
> > > > > They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing to
> > > > > back
> > > > > what
> > > > > you say up with your true names.
> >
> > > > Very few do, of course. *How many here...you, me, John... that's about
> > > > it.
> >
> > > *Aktkinson is just advertising.
> >
> > Obviously a "great" tactic around here! *lol *Regardless, what I said is
> > true. *I should add Iain to that list.
>
> Of advertisers? No, I don't think so.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real" name than I do.
> > > Actually less.
> >
> > Have you ever revealed your full name here? *I have, several times.
>
> Really. I missed it.

I guess so. I posted a link to my website, someone else posted a link
to my college website bio, etc.

[[email protected]]

On 3 Apr, 20:15, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > On Apr 2, 6:55*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
>
> > > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > > On Apr 2, 3:22*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > > > > > > the sight of George or me and run away.
>
> > > > > > They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing to
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > you say up with your true names.
>
> > > > > Very few do, of course. *How many here...you, me, John... that's about
> > > > > it.
>
> > > > *Aktkinson is just advertising.
>
> > > Obviously a "great" tactic around here! *lol *Regardless, what I said is
> > > true. *I should add Iain to that list.
>
> > Of advertisers? *No, I don't think so.
>
> > > > Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real" name than I do.
> > > > Actually less.
>
> > > Have you ever revealed your full name here? *I have, several times.
>
> > * Really. *I missed it.
>
> I guess so. *I posted a link to my website, someone else posted a link
> to my college website bio, etc.-

I think I did the link to your college website.
It is quite public, and easily found using
information you have given here.
'I did it because i thought people might be interested
to see what you are doing, there was no maliscious intent.
I mean, you only have one real enemy here, Arny, everyone else would
consider you a friend.
Last time I visited Scott, we were trying to contact you
to meet, no evil intentions.
I would be pleased to meet you, or any other
music lover.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On 3 Apr, 20:15, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > On Apr 2, 6:55*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> >
> > > > *ScottW2 > wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 2, 3:22*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > In article >,
> > > > > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > >com
> >
> > > > > > > > And I pity the Men of Sciciience that apparently melt at
> > > > > > > > the sight of George or me and run away.
> >
> > > > > > > They don't melt, they just know that neither of you are willing
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > you say up with your true names.
> >
> > > > > > Very few do, of course. *How many here...you, me, John... that's
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > it.
> >
> > > > > *Aktkinson is just advertising.
> >
> > > > Obviously a "great" tactic around here! *lol *Regardless, what I said
> > > > is
> > > > true. *I should add Iain to that list.
> >
> > > Of advertisers? *No, I don't think so.
> >
> > > > > Anyway, I don't see you using any more of your "real" name than I do.
> > > > > Actually less.
> >
> > > > Have you ever revealed your full name here? *I have, several times.
> >
> > > * Really. *I missed it.
> >
> > I guess so. *I posted a link to my website, someone else posted a link
> > to my college website bio, etc.-
>
> I think I did the link to your college website.
> It is quite public, and easily found using
> information you have given here.

Sure.

> 'I did it because i thought people might be interested
> to see what you are doing, there was no maliscious intent.

I didn't believe that there was ;-)

> I mean, you only have one real enemy here, Arny, everyone else would
> consider you a friend.

I appreciate that. I would enjoy meeting anyone here. I ALMOST met up
with Stephen recently, but the schedule just wouldn't allow. I offered
to meet Arny on a professional trip to MI, but it didn't work out. I
very much enjoyed meeting and dining with John.

> Last time I visited Scott, we were trying to contact you
> to meet, no evil intentions.
> I would be pleased to meet you, or any other
> music lover.

Thanks, I feel the same.