A really fine record

[Jenn[_3_]]

On a shopping trip to Amoeba L.A. recently, I found an old copy of
Mercury SR 90209: Khachaturian: Gayne Ballet and Tchaikovsky: Romeo and
Juliet Dorati/LSO I've looked for some time for a good copy of this
1960 disk at a good price. I finally got to listen to it today. For
$6.99, I got my best deal of the last couple of years. This is a
terrific sounding recording of 2 fine performances. Not my favorite
R&J, but close. The Gayne is great. The mallet percussion is amazing.
I only bring this to your attention in case you run across a good copy;
I highly recommend it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 14, 11:53*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> On a shopping trip to Amoeba L.A. recently, I found an old copy of
> Mercury SR 90209: *Khachaturian: Gayne Ballet and Tchaikovsky: Romeo and
> Juliet * *Dorati/LSO *I've looked for some time for a good copy of this
> 1960 disk at a good price. *I finally got to listen to it today. *For
> $6.99, I got my best deal of the last couple of years. *This is a
> terrific sounding recording of 2 fine performances. *Not my favorite
> R&J, but close. *The Gayne is great. *The mallet percussion is amazing. *
> I only bring this to your attention in case you run across a good copy;
> I highly recommend it.

Cool and thanks. For $7, was it in reasonable shape?

My latest finds include three half-speed masters for $10 each, but
they were rock and I won't be able to listen to them until I get home
from vacation. It's in the 20s at home and 86 here, so that may be a
while. :-)

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Feb 14, 11:53*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > On a shopping trip to Amoeba L.A. recently, I found an old copy of
> > Mercury SR 90209: *Khachaturian: Gayne Ballet and Tchaikovsky: Romeo and
> > Juliet * *Dorati/LSO *I've looked for some time for a good copy of this
> > 1960 disk at a good price. *I finally got to listen to it today. *For
> > $6.99, I got my best deal of the last couple of years. *This is a
> > terrific sounding recording of 2 fine performances. *Not my favorite
> > R&J, but close. *The Gayne is great. *The mallet percussion is amazing. *
> > I only bring this to your attention in case you run across a good copy;
> > I highly recommend it.
>
> Cool and thanks. For $7, was it in reasonable shape?

Yes, incredible shape. It cleaned up very nicely with the Record Doctor.

>
> My latest finds include three half-speed masters for $10 each, but
> they were rock and I won't be able to listen to them until I get home
> from vacation. It's in the 20s at home and 86 here, so that may be a
> while. :-)

lol Where are you?

[Fed Up lurker]

Jenn wrote:
>snip<

Hi
Even before this thread fully evolves it already
has the air of a high-camp ponsified middle-class
dinner party where the posers try to outdo each
other....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related

I'll strike a deal with you. This group is knackered,
but you can carry on bull****ting each other on one
condition, you take back Arny. It will re-focus you all,
and hopefully it will get him out of the UK groups.

[Fed Up lurker]

Fed Up Lurker wrote:

> >snip<

oops, this was meant to be the second clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSINO6MKtco

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
Fed Up Lurker > wrote:

> Jenn wrote:
> >snip<
>
> Hi
> Even before this thread fully evolves it already
> has the air of a high-camp ponsified middle-class
> dinner party where the posers try to outdo each
> other....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related

Or alternatively, it "has the air" of some people speaking of
recordings. Damn us!

>
> I'll strike a deal with you. This group is knackered,
> but you can carry on bull****ting each other on one
> condition, you take back Arny. It will re-focus you all,
> and hopefully it will get him out of the UK groups.

AFAIC, you can have him.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:38:26 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Jenn wrote:
> >snip<
>
>Hi
>Even before this thread fully evolves it already
>has the air of a high-camp ponsified middle-class
>dinner party where the posers try to outdo each
>other....
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYtYBI6eZ3E&feature=related
>
>I'll strike a deal with you. This group is knackered,
>but you can carry on bull****ting each other on one
>condition, you take back Arny. It will re-focus you all,
>and hopefully it will get him out of the UK groups.

Sorry, old chap. You lost the Revolution. You get him. Admittedly,
we're about to lose everything else, but we'll be amply consoled if
you would just keep the ******* yourself.

We may be knackered and all that, you incompetent ******, but *you've*
got him, not us. I'd say that means we middle-class ponsified
wanna-bes are way the hell up on you.

Besides, Sterling's lower than mouse **** right now. You need Arnie as
a distraction from all your *other* troubles.


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Fed Up lurker]

Herbert Hoover wrote:
>snip<
>
> Sorry, old chap. You lost the Revolution. You get him. Admittedly,
> we're about to lose everything else, but we'll be amply consoled if
> you would just keep the ******* yourself.
>
> We may be knackered and all that, you incompetent ******, but *you've*
> got him, not us. I'd say that means we middle-class ponsified
> wanna-bes are way the hell up on you.
>
> Besides, Sterling's lower than mouse **** right now. You need Arnie as
> a distraction from all your *other* troubles.
>
>
> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"

Sir, you are a cad, a bounder and a scoundrel, but I like you.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:07:20 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Herbert Hoover wrote:
>>snip<
>>
>> Sorry, old chap. You lost the Revolution. You get him. Admittedly,
>> we're about to lose everything else, but we'll be amply consoled if
>> you would just keep the ******* yourself.
>>
>> We may be knackered and all that, you incompetent ******, but *you've*
>> got him, not us. I'd say that means we middle-class ponsified
>> wanna-bes are way the hell up on you.
>>
>> Besides, Sterling's lower than mouse **** right now. You need Arnie as
>> a distraction from all your *other* troubles.
>>
>>
>> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
>> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"
>
>Sir, you are a cad, a bounder and a scoundrel, but I like you.

Flattery will get you everywhere, Sir. I've always been an Anglophile
myself....mothertongue and all that. I rather like you as well.

My suggestion, Fed-up, is to leave Arnold there to send the
always-necessary message that if the rube doesn't know he's being
insulted, what's the big deal about feeling superior? Then, you can
neatly join us here and bloody well insult everybody else in a much
happier frame of mind.

Most of the people here also won't know they're being insulted, but at
least you'll have a small cheering section that appreciates the
aesthetics of the precisely-delivered cut.
Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 15, 11:42*am, Jenn > wrote:

> > My latest finds include three half-speed masters for $10 each, but
> > they were rock and I won't be able to listen to them until I get home
> > from vacation. It's in the 20s at home and 86 here, so that may be a
> > while. :-)
>
> lol *Where are you?

Today I was in Bal Harbour, FL.

I can't get the song "I'll Follow the Sun" out of my head. :-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 15, 9:11*pm, Herbert Hoover > wrote:

> Most of the people here also won't know they're being insulted,

You can always tell these people. They keep repeating, "Which way did
he go? Which way did he go?"

> but at least you'll have a small cheering section that appreciates the
> aesthetics of the precisely-delivered cut.

You can always tell them too. 2pid hates them. ;-)

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Feb 15, 11:42*am, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > My latest finds include three half-speed masters for $10 each, but
> > > they were rock and I won't be able to listen to them until I get home
> > > from vacation. It's in the 20s at home and 86 here, so that may be a
> > > while. :-)
> >
> > lol *Where are you?
>
> Today I was in Bal Harbour, FL.

Cool.

>
> I can't get the song "I'll Follow the Sun" out of my head. :-)

;-) Best song on the "For Sale" album, IMO.

[Fed Up lurker]

Herbert Hoover wrote:
> snip<

Sir, I like the cut of your jib. Though that doesn't
rule out a duel at dawn....

The issue as such isn't Arny, it's whats happened to
this group. I'm assuming AK lives a life in retired
isolation.
A simple usenet search reveals so much that it seems
obvious he is oblivious to the repercussions of his
online activity. A potential employer will, as we all
are aware, do a search on any applicant, likewise any
possible alliance in the audio field etc. He'd be dropped
like a hot spud.
Such a search rapidly reveals that Arny's claims for
the most part have no substance, that at best he can
only be described as an amateur in the limited field
of amateur productions - recording his local church choir.
The indications being, that if such amateur recordings
do exist, that nobody has actually heard them? And by
his own admission, his own amateur recordings fail to
meet acceptable standards.
So there we have it, a search reveals AK to be a retired
engineer whose hobby is haunting usenet and causing friction.
The issue is that a number of groups fell for his
baiting - hook, line and sinker. And they never seem
to recover? Just look how de-focused this group has become!

>>>
>>> Besides, Sterling's lower than mouse **** right now. You need Arnie as
>>> a distraction from all your *other* troubles.

None of it's new to me, I've had my own credit crunch
for the past 20 years...

I'm happy to join in with you and distract this thread
from evolving into one of those "you may well have a
recording of the ghost of Al Johnson captured during
the recording of the basement tapes, but I found a
back street specialist shop in Budapest who had a rare
cannibis resin pressing of Aretha.." blah, blah, blah.

Just as an example, this is an audio group and it has
JA as a regular, I'd like to ask him his views on the
UK audio press, on his old title over here we have the
brill PMi at the helm, with Bazza as a regular, and KK
has evolved into a good read. But some of the other
titles have lost the plot! Nobby is not only sitting back
and taking no action, but he seems to be going along
with it all on his title, Malc should be retired etc.
But I can't ask JA as it will only attract the nutters
to the thread, thats the way it is now.

> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"

Leslie Philips. Carry on nurse, 1958
"Ding Dong"

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:13:03 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>
>Herbert Hoover wrote:
>> snip<
>
>Sir, I like the cut of your jib. Though that doesn't
>rule out a duel at dawn....

Of course. Who will act as your second?

I warn you: I tend to be flatulent under stress.
>
>The issue as such isn't Arny, it's whats happened to
>this group.

Of course, you're right about that, but he who complains about entropy
will lead of necessity a miserable life.

> I'm assuming AK lives a life in retired
>isolation.

I'm not as sure about that as others, but, no doubt, he has spent an
endless time here.

>A simple usenet search reveals so much that it seems
>obvious he is oblivious to the repercussions of his
>online activity. A potential employer will, as we all
>are aware, do a search on any applicant, likewise any
>possible alliance in the audio field etc. He'd be dropped
>like a hot spud.

No, not a hot spud, which is potentially scrumptious and perhaps worth
the burn.........more like a odiferous, gaseous body of undetermined
dimension.


>Such a search rapidly reveals that Arny's claims for
>the most part have no substance, that at best he can
>only be described as an amateur in the limited field
>of amateur productions - recording his local church choir.
>The indications being, that if such amateur recordings
>do exist, that nobody has actually heard them? And by
>his own admission, his own amateur recordings fail to
>meet acceptable standards.
>So there we have it, a search reveals AK to be a retired
>engineer whose hobby is haunting usenet and causing friction.
>The issue is that a number of groups fell for his
>baiting - hook, line and sinker. And they never seem
>to recover? Just look how de-focused this group has become!

Well.....yes. Arnold is the troll of trolls. Most trolls are so
unstable, they self-destruct after a while. Arnold is the exceoption:
a troll with some sort of support infrastructure coupled to needs so
consuming they engulf every bit of him and everyone round as well.

After a while, the group *is* about him, and so most everything else
is left to tumble about aimlessly. If Arnold should leave <God be
willing!> we will at least be swept clean of his scourge, but life may
nort be worth living in the wasteland afterwards. As always, it's the
struggle which grants meaning.
>
>>>>
>>>> Besides, Sterling's lower than mouse **** right now. You need Arnie as
>>>> a distraction from all your *other* troubles.
>
>None of it's new to me, I've had my own credit crunch
>for the past 20 years...

Very sorry to hear it, and I hope like hell the pound recovers,
because the Euro is headed for deep trouble, Ireland has exchanged the
"r" for a "c" and Eastern Europe right now looks like a bag of sliders
half way down a bum's gullet.

>I'm happy to join in with you and distract this thread
>from evolving into one of those "you may well have a
>recording of the ghost of Al Johnson captured during
>the recording of the basement tapes, but I found a
>back street specialist shop in Budapest who had a rare
>cannibis resin pressing of Aretha.." blah, blah, blah.

Have some tolerance, Sir, and please leave such insults for other,
less demure groups! Analog fans do *not* engage in such forbidden
activities <ducking>


>Just as an example, this is an audio group and it has
>JA as a regular, I'd like to ask him his views on the
>UK audio press, on his old title over here we have the
>brill PMi at the helm, with Bazza as a regular, and KK
>has evolved into a good read. But some of the other
>titles have lost the plot! Nobby is not only sitting back
>and taking no action, but he seems to be going along
>with it all on his title, Malc should be retired etc.
>But I can't ask JA as it will only attract the nutters
>to the thread, thats the way it is now.
>

A complete waste of time. JA is a professional's professional,
but magazines of any stripe are essentially gone and not worth
discussing (IMHO, anyway). That old saw about arranging the deck
chairs on the Titanic applies here.

If you insist in the face of such realities to go a little
further and converse about UK audio magazines, may I suggest that the
Khyber Pass must still hold romantic memories for you, and we will try
our best to comfort you in your dotage.

>
>Leslie Philips. Carry on nurse, 1958
>"Ding Dong"

Gawd, I'm ashamed to admit it but I did love the "Carry On" series.

Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Fed Up lurker]

Th inventor of the vacum cleaner Herbert Hoover wrote:

>>> snip<

> I warn you: I tend to be flatulent under stress.

As long as it's tuneful flatulence..
I suspect you probably can fart a nice melody.

> Of course, you're right about that, but he who complains about entropy
> will lead of necessity a miserable life.

What?

>snip<

> Very sorry to hear it, and I hope like hell the pound recovers,
> because the Euro is headed for deep trouble, Ireland has exchanged the
> "r" for a "c" and Eastern Europe right now looks like a bag of sliders
> half way down a bum's gullet.

Please forgive me, but I snipped the majority but
kept the above as an example...
It appears to be English, and you're certainly fluent
in whatever gibberish it is, but I cannot fathom what
on earth you are rabbiting about?
I'm guessing you were drunk when you typed it so later
this evening once I have chucked down a bottle of your
nations finest Merlot, I'll re-read it and then it may
make sense?

>snipped>
> That old saw about arranging the deck
> chairs on the Titanic applies here.

I think I got that one.....


>
> Khyber Pass must still hold romantic memories for you, and we will try
> our best to comfort you in your dotage.

I'm not sure if you are aware that "Khyber pass" is
cockney ryhming slang for "arse". but that is a very
generous offer of you all to comfort my anus, but
relunctantly it is an offer I have to decline.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:37:48 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Th inventor of the vacum cleaner Herbert Hoover wrote:
>
>>>> snip<
>
>> I warn you: I tend to be flatulent under stress.
>
>As long as it's tuneful flatulence..
>I suspect you probably can fart a nice melody.

Mais certainement. When watching Casablanca, the "La Marseillaise"
scene is especially motivating.
>
>> Of course, you're right about that, but he who complains about entropy
>> will lead of necessity a miserable life.
>
>What?

Er..........change?
>
>>snip<
>
>> Very sorry to hear it, and I hope like hell the pound recovers,
>> because the Euro is headed for deep trouble, Ireland has exchanged the
>> "r" for a "c" and Eastern Europe right now looks like a bag of sliders
>> half way down a bum's gullet.
>
>Please forgive me, but I snipped the majority but
>kept the above as an example...
>It appears to be English, and you're certainly fluent
>in whatever gibberish it is, but I cannot fathom what
>on earth you are rabbiting about?

Neither can I but it looks good in print, doesn't it?

>I'm guessing you were drunk when you typed it so later
>this evening once I have chucked down a bottle of your
>nations finest Merlot,


.........A subtle slam if ever I've heard one.

>I'll re-read it and then it may
>make sense?

If it does, you'll be in as much trouble as I am........
>
>>snipped>
>> That old saw about arranging the deck
>> chairs on the Titanic applies here.
>
>I think I got that one.....
>

Good. For a moment I was wondering if I had to rescind my most
generous invitation.
>
>>
>> Khyber Pass must still hold romantic memories for you, and we will try
>> our best to comfort you in your dotage.
>
>I'm not sure if you are aware that "Khyber pass" is
>cockney ryhming slang for "arse".

Actually, I am, but that wasn't was intended. If I wanted to make gay
jokes, I'd change my name to Arnold.........or Proposition 8.


>but that is a very
>generous offer of you all to comfort my anus, but
>relunctantly it is an offer I have to decline.

I appreciate the reluctance. What worries me is that my prose, such as
it is, has such an effect on you.




Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Feb 16, 7:59*am, Herbert Hoover > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:13:03 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> > wrote:
> >Just as an example, this is an audio group and it has
> >JA as a regular, I'd like to ask him his views on the
> >UK audio press, on his old title over here we have the
> >brill PMi at the helm, with Bazza as a regular, and KK
> >has evolved into a good read. But some of the other
> >titles have lost the plot! Nobby is not only sitting back
> >and taking no action, but he seems to be going along
> >with it all on his title, Malc should be retired etc.
> >But I can't ask JA as it will only attract the nutters
> >to the thread, thats the way it is now.
>
> A complete waste of time. JA is a professional's professional,
> but magazines of any stripe are essentially gone and not worth
> discussing (IMHO, anyway).

Yikes!!!

> That old saw about arranging the deck
> chairs on the Titanic applies here.

This magazine's unsinkable, I tell you. I have
outfitted all the writers with sealed compartments
in their brains.

But for what it's worth, I think Paul Miller is
doing a fine job. Very attractive deck chairs,
indeed.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:54:42 -0800 (PST), John Atkinson
> wrote:

>On Feb 16, 7:59*am, Herbert Hoover > wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:13:03 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
>> > wrote:
>> >Just as an example, this is an audio group and it has
>> >JA as a regular, I'd like to ask him his views on the
>> >UK audio press, on his old title over here we have the
>> >brill PMi at the helm, with Bazza as a regular, and KK
>> >has evolved into a good read. But some of the other
>> >titles have lost the plot! Nobby is not only sitting back
>> >and taking no action, but he seems to be going along
>> >with it all on his title, Malc should be retired etc.
>> >But I can't ask JA as it will only attract the nutters
>> >to the thread, thats the way it is now.
>>
>> A complete waste of time. JA is a professional's professional,
>> but magazines of any stripe are essentially gone and not worth
>> discussing (IMHO, anyway).
>
>Yikes!!!

<sob>

I feel very badly about this, because I *love* publishing, but the
handwriting is on the wall. Wonderfully written and edited magazines
are tumbling faster than a Rolling Stones' song.

I actually think this discussion is better off-line, but I'd be quite
happy to pursue it here if folk feel this would be productive.
>
>> That old saw about arranging the deck
>> chairs on the Titanic applies here.
>
>This magazine's unsinkable, I tell you. I have
>outfitted all the writers with sealed compartments
>in their brains.

I'm quite sure you and the writers will survive <grinning, but also
meant literally> It's the magazines I feel are doomed. That's not
quite the same thing.
>
>But for what it's worth, I think Paul Miller is
>doing a fine job. Very attractive deck chairs,
>indeed.


Sunsets can be exquisite.




>

Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Feb, 12:54, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 7:59*am, Herbert Hoover > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:13:03 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> > > wrote:
> > >Just as an example, this is an audio group and it has
> > >JA as a regular, I'd like to ask him his views on the
> > >UK audio press, on his old title over here we have the
> > >brill PMi at the helm, with Bazza as a regular, and KK
> > >has evolved into a good read. But some of the other
> > >titles have lost the plot! Nobby is not only sitting back
> > >and taking no action, but he seems to be going along
> > >with it all on his title, Malc should be retired etc.
> > >But I can't ask JA as it will only attract the nutters
> > >to the thread, thats the way it is now.
>
> > A complete waste of time. JA is a professional's professional,
> > but magazines of any stripe are essentially gone and not worth
> > discussing (IMHO, anyway).
>
> Yikes!!!
>
> > That old saw about arranging the deck
> > chairs on the Titanic applies here.
>
> This magazine's unsinkable, I tell you. I have
> outfitted all the writers with sealed compartments
> in their brains.
>
> But for what it's worth, I think Paul Miller is
> doing a fine job. Very attractive deck chairs,
> indeed.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile- Ascunde citatul -
>
>

LOL, sealed compartments?
vacuum tubes fit the bill.

[Fed Up lurker]

The poster named after a Dam, Herbert Hoover wrote:
>
> <snippetydoodah>

Dear Sir,
I have indulged in a rather cheeky but alluring
Chilean merlot, and I am now totally bladdered.

In any further replies of yours to my posts, may
I suggest you notch your variable coefficient
digital filter from a butterworth to a bessel curve,
your entertaining posts can be quite flirtatious
but for the most part are incoherent balderdash,
but I have become very fond of you...
I can discern you are probably a client of the finest
gentlemans outfitters of Bond St and St James, and
as such may I ask why you are so dismissive of all
audio publications? Please be specific.
I too am furious with some specific titles and there
are some truly dubious audio journalists, but others
I have great faith in, specifically the legendary PM
and JA too.
Hopefully you're not saying usenet is a better and
more reliable source of info, for the most part usenet
is a bunch of nutters talking ********!

>
> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"


"I volunteer to be King of Scotland" 1974
His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor
Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE. Lord of All the Beasts
of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British
Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:02:25 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>The poster named after a Dam, Herbert Hoover wrote:
> >
> > <snippetydoodah>
>
>Dear Sir,
>I have indulged in a rather cheeky but alluring
>Chilean merlot, and I am now totally bladdered.

Which is as it should be. However, you had promised you would imbibe
some of my country's finest Merlot. I see that you are a poltroon,
Sir, and not a man of his word.
>
>In any further replies of yours to my posts, may
>I suggest you notch your variable coefficient
>digital filter from a butterworth to a bessel curve,

Oooooohhhhhhhh! I'll bet you say that to all the boys!


>your entertaining posts can be quite flirtatious
>but for the most part are incoherent balderdash,

well, frankly, yes. I'm practicing to be an audio journalist
<ducking......>


>but I have become very fond of you...

Amazing how love disguises the incoherent.....


>I can discern you are probably a client of the finest
>gentlemans outfitters of Bond St and St James, and
>as such may I ask why you are so dismissive of all
>audio publications?

I am not. I am dismissive of magazines.


>Please be specific.

Well....it's kinda sorrta hard to publish something if there
ain't no advertising to pay for it, plus printing, paper, and ink,
while wonderfuly fine things will cost one more than one's first-born.

There's always publishing a paperless magazine, but, sadly,
there's not much advertising for that, either, plus people who like
the web don't like static formats.

IOW, no one except perhaps Amazon and Netflicks has figured
out how to properly monetize a web site (speaking generally, of
course). Tell me, Fed Up, do you subscribe to A) any audio magazines?
and b) pay money to any Websites for a content service (such as
subscribing to The Wall Street Jouyrnal, NY Times etc.)

FWIW, I have subscribed to Stereophile in the past, but no
longer do so. I would subscribe to their website if there were a good
reason for it. Perhaps I'm missing something here and JA can inform
me. I love his prose and way with argument. I wish it were better put
to use on the Web.

I no longer care to have paper delived ponderously to my home. In
fact, I read The NY Times every day on the web and prefer it
immensely to the printed version.

>I too am furious with some specific titles and there
>are some truly dubious audio journalists, but others
>I have great faith in, specifically the legendary PM
>and JA too.

So do I, and think they will be employed in the future
performing analagous but not identical tasks....if that makes any
sense.

>Hopefully you're not saying usenet is a better and
>more reliable source of info,

What's the diff? No one's putting paying advertising on Usenet either.

>for the most part usenet
>is a bunch of nutters talking ********!


Quite.



>
>"I volunteer to be King of Scotland" 1974
>His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor
>Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE. Lord of All the Beasts
>of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British
>Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.

It's all 6 degrees of separation, isn't it? My principal professor in
undergraduate work was Conor Cruise O'Brien, who prior to that
was....wait for it.....United Nations ambassador to Uganda and his
Excellency, Field Marshall Al Hadj Doctor Idi Amin Dada.

I always thought the Dada was particularly appropriate.




>
Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[UnsteadyKen[_3_]]

Herbert Hoover wrote...

> I would subscribe to their website if there were a good
> reason for it. Perhaps I'm missing something here and JA can inform
> me.

I expect he'd say that it is has hundreds of well written reviews with
excellent technical analysis and measurements. He could possibly
mention the entertaining and informative personal columns. He might
then go on to draw your attention to the vast range of fascinating
historical articles and thinkpieces. If he is in a particularly
expansive mood he may mention that the site serves as an outstanding
example of how a paper magazine can be complemented and enhanced by a
web presence.

And he'd be right.

--
Ken

UK digital switchover advice:
http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml

My feeble audio links site has moved:
again! Now adfree.
http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/

[Fed Up lurker]

John Atkinson wrote:
<snipped whilst sober but with a humdinger of a hangover>
>
> But for what it's worth, I think Paul Miller is
> doing a fine job. Very attractive deck chairs,
> indeed.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile
>

Not only is he doing a fine job, PM's the only one getting
it right. Back in the 80's Mark Peyton was editor of one UK
title, he moved on and that title went doolally. That was back
in the days that only universities and the military knew of,
and had access to the wild net, magazines were tactile, sitting
on the Southbank absorbed and wanting the gear etc.
It was back then I became aware PM was the only one who could
measure the pants off the hardware and show us what was what
and why! (And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
Just an example from way back when, I was puzzled why a £400
LLC filter CD player could match a 5x the price Wadia, but both
had the same compatibility issues, it was PM who identified
the digital filter issues etc. I'm now full circle and after
a lot of searching I'm back to identical and unmodified amp
and cd player from those days (A400 and PD-S901). Again long
before the loonacy of "usenet experts", but admittedly it was
the nutters of the web who guided me to software to ensure
compatibility and to build my own NONOS dac's, but it was
tactile mags and specifically PM who identified and could
measure the effect of timing-based jitter problems, it was
his tests in UK mags that forced the hardware OEM's to sit
up and deal with the problem. There were others and plenty
more examples I could give, but the issue I have with some
pro audio journalists are seemingly lack of impartiality and
many instances of them not having a clue about the subject!
Before anyone accues me of any undisclosed "alliances", that
would not be so.
I'm a blue collar, active trade unionist in the public transport
sector, most UK mags will be aware of me from harrassing them
and they hate me. My issue is that mags do play an important
role, but here in the UK only HFN has stayed on track as far
as I'm concerned, some of the others, well, to be generous
I'll only describe it as they seem to have lost the plot as
to what their role should be...
But anyone else reading, Herbie dismisses all mags, thats OK,
but usenet and and the web is full of unbalanced, inaccurate
codswallop by some posters who can only be credited with
proving DNA linage to single celled omeoba's, except many of
them haven't evolved beyond that stage!
I cannot get to audition/listen to all new developments,
thats where mags come into the equation, the PM's and the JA's
of the professional reviewing game, know whats what, can measure
and reveal what is happening and guide us, more that any
nincompoop in usenet fruitcake land could ever do. It's the
PM's and JA's who have proved themselves, are established,
who I have faith in.
My issue is with some pro reviews in the world of tactile print,
it could be discerned that there maybe undisclosed alliances
with some brands, but the web may reveal such? And with some
mags it is unknown who wrote the articles/reviews and what
qualifies them to be the "expert"?
This group I won't use as an example, but use the internet and
computers. There is a granny smith and bramley flavoured OS
and comp that seems to have a bizarrely dedicated user base.
I personally think they are over-priced and under-powered and
it's an empire that is ruled by one individual (or was). But
they have an active, friendly and helpful online user presence.
The rumour is that such online communities are infiltrated by
a cleverly constructed and manipulated marketing element passed
off as usenet/forum regulars. Thats the rumour and thats just
one reason I do not have faith in usenet and it's so called
and self-proclamed experts - regardless if it's comps, software,
audio or spitefully overpriced HD plasmas/LCD's.
I'm just curious to JA's views on the subject.

[Fed Up lurker]

Herbert Hoover wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:02:25 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> > wrote:
>

Hi Herbie,
please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd wrote that.

>
>
>
>
> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"


"I'm Spartacus"
"No, I'm Spartacus"
Arny and Tony Curtis, 1960

[Fed Up lurker]

Fed Up Lurker wrote:
> John Atkinson wrote:
> <snipped whilst sober but with a humdinger of a hangover>

A brief post script -

I just typed it off the top of my head,
but reading through my post I have to
say I'm quite pleased with my off-the-cuff
"spitefully overpriced HD plasmas/LCD's"
You all have my full permission to use
it as you so wish.

Also, I know it's my hangover, but I was
puzzled as to why I've just logged onto
B&Q's site?
Can we drop the deck chair references,
it had a subliminal effect when I'm in
the bladdered recovery phase....

[Arny Krueger]

"Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in message


> (And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)

Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.

FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Feb, 09:14, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
>
> > *(And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
>
> Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.
>
> FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
> fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.

Real science, that must be like all the stuff written
in the old and new testament, and all the
stuff you hear when Susan drags you off to church
each Sunday.

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 17 Feb, 09:14, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
> >
> >
> > > *(And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
> >
> > Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.
> >
> > FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
> > fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.
>
> Real science, that must be like all the stuff written
> in the old and new testament, and all the
> stuff you hear when Susan drags you off to church
> each Sunday.

I liked the shunning idea.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Feb, 09:22, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 17 Feb, 09:14, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
> > >
>
> > > > *(And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
>
> > > Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.
>
> > > FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
> > > fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.
>
> > Real science, that must be like all the stuff written
> > in the old and new testament, and all the
> > stuff you hear when Susan drags you off to church
> > each Sunday.
>
> I liked the shunning idea.
>
>

It really hurts when even the SMWTMS turns their back on you.

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" > wrote in message


> I liked the shunning idea.

Oh yeah, the ostrich defense.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message


> It really hurts when even the SMWTMS turns their back on
> you.

So that's why Atkinson is always so p'd off?

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:09:51 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Herbert Hoover wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:02:25 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>Hi Herbie,
>please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd wrote that.

I'll check it out, Fed. I haven't gotten there yet



Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 17, 9:22*am, MiNe 109 > wrote:

> *Clyde Slick > wrote:

> > Real science, that must be like all the stuff written
> > in the old and new testament, and all the
> > stuff you hear when Susan drags you off to church
> > each Sunday.
>
> I liked the shunning idea.

Yes, in reading GOIA's posts today they're very low-quality, even
considering GOIA's already low standards.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:09:51 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Hi Herbie,
>please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd wrote that.

Feddie, I can't find UnsteadyKen's post. I've retrieved all headers
for RAO and it's not showing up.If you could either post or cite
medsssage id, I'd be grateful


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > I liked the shunning idea.
>
> Yes, in reading GOIA's posts today they're very low-quality, even
> considering GOIA's already low standards.

Agreed, LoT"s. In fact, I heard poor Arnii's recent financial setbacks have
taken their toll on his feeding regimen. He's now subsisting on a diet
that's half dog poop. It's no surprise his trolling is weaker.

[Arny Krueger]

"Hooburt Heaver" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:09:51 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Herbie,
>> please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd
>> wrote that.
>
> Feddie, I can't find UnsteadyKen's post. I've retrieved
> all headers for RAO and it's not showing up.If you could
> either post or cite medsssage id, I'd be grateful


Hmm, Google must be lying to Hooburt.

I found USK's fawning post quote easily, no problem at all.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> Yes, in reading my lord and master's posts today they're very
> high-quality, even considering lord and master's already high
> standards.

You need to learn how to count, Grasshopper.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 17, 12:11*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>
> > Yes, in reading GOIA's posts today they're very
> > low-quality, even considering GOIA's *already low
> > standards.
>
> You need to learn how to count, Master.

Three Dems, just as I said. Boy are you a nitwit. And insane to boot.
LOL!

[UnsteadyKen[_3_]]

Arny Krueger wrote...

> I found USK's fawning post quote easily, no problem at all.

Shush Arny, it's a cunning plan. You've told us that JA is the
paymaster for the 'posse' so I'm trying wheedle my way into his good
books to get a share of the stash of gold plated fuses. A man needs
bragging rights. Some friends to brag to would be nice as well.

--
Ken

UK digital switchover advice:
http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml

My feeble audio links site has moved:
again! Now adfree.
http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:23:29 -0000, UnsteadyKen
> wrote:

>Arny Krueger wrote...
>
>> I found USK's fawning post quote easily, no problem at all.
>
>Shush Arny, it's a cunning plan. You've told us that JA is the
>paymaster for the 'posse' so I'm trying wheedle my way into his good
>books to get a share of the stash of gold plated fuses. A man needs
>bragging rights. Some friends to brag to would be nice as well.

There you are, unsteady!.

Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
no problem, but I suppose I must be in a depressed
state..........because I can't seem to locate it....something about
audio magazines, perhaps?

In any case, any help gratefully appreciated...


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Herbert Hoover said:

> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
> no problem

I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.

[Fed Up lurker]

Herbert Hoover wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:09:51 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Herbie,
>> please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd wrote that.
>
> Feddie, I can't find UnsteadyKen's post. I've retrieved all headers
> for RAO and it's not showing up.If you could either post or cite
> medsssage id, I'd be grateful
>
>
> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"

Puzzlingly, UnsteadyKens BT/giganews post fails
to show up on a number of servers?
Here is a paste of it:

----- Original Message -----
From: "UnsteadyKen" >
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: A really fine record


> Herbert Hoover wrote...
>
>> I would subscribe to their website if there were a good
>> reason for it. Perhaps I'm missing something here and JA can inform
>> me.
>
> I expect he'd say that it is has hundreds of well written reviews with
> excellent technical analysis and measurements. He could possibly
> mention the entertaining and informative personal columns. He might
> then go on to draw your attention to the vast range of fascinating
> historical articles and thinkpieces. If he is in a particularly
> expansive mood he may mention that the site serves as an outstanding
> example of how a paper magazine can be complemented and enhanced by a
> web presence.
>
> And he'd be right.
>
> --
> Ken
>
> UK digital switchover advice:
> http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml
>
> My feeble audio links site has moved:
> again! Now adfree.
> http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/
>

[Fed Up lurker]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Herbert Hoover said:
>
>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
>> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
>> no problem
>
> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>
>

It is a bit odd, it shows up on both my BT and aioe
nntp accounts, but not google, and strangely not on
a pal's giganews account, and Unsteady posted from
a rebadged giganews account?
I pasted it as response to Herbie.

[Fed Up lurker]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in message
>
>
>> (And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
>
> Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.
>
> FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
> fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.
>
>

Hi Arny, are you in a bad mood, has someone upset you?

[Fed Up lurker]

Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
thread so now it's dead, time to move on.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Feb, 09:38, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > It really hurts when even the SMWTMS turns their back on
> > you.
>
> So that's why Atkinson is always so p'd off?

i don't think he has been trying to attend any of
their torture sessions

[hophead]

In article >,
says...
>
>
> Herbert Hoover said:
>
> > Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
> > it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
> > no problem
>
> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.

It's not on my NNTP server either. Without a doubt the Krooborg was
lying.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:45:22 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Herbert Hoover said:
>
>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
>> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
>> no problem
>
>I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>

Ahhh! Thank you, George. Most appreciated.

Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:59:31 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Herbert Hoover wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:09:51 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Herbie,
>>> please see UnsteadyKen's perfect answer, I wish I'd wrote that.
>>
>> Feddie, I can't find UnsteadyKen's post. I've retrieved all headers
>> for RAO and it's not showing up.If you could either post or cite
>> medsssage id, I'd be grateful
>>
>>
>> Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
>> "It Was All Franklin's Fault"
>
>Puzzlingly, UnsteadyKens BT/giganews post fails
>to show up on a number of servers?
>Here is a paste of it:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "UnsteadyKen" >
>Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:19 AM
>Subject: Re: A really fine record
>
>
> > Herbert Hoover wrote...
> >
> >> I would subscribe to their website if there were a good
> >> reason for it. Perhaps I'm missing something here and JA can inform
> >> me.
> >
> > I expect he'd say that it is has hundreds of well written reviews with
> > excellent technical analysis and measurements. He could possibly
> > mention the entertaining and informative personal columns. He might
> > then go on to draw your attention to the vast range of fascinating
> > historical articles and thinkpieces. If he is in a particularly
> > expansive mood he may mention that the site serves as an outstanding
> > example of how a paper magazine can be complemented and enhanced by a
> > web presence.
> >
> > And he'd be right.
> >
> > --
> > Ken
> >
> > UK digital switchover advice:
> > http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml
> >
> > My feeble audio links site has moved:
> > again! Now adfree.
> > http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/
> >


OK. Thanks, Feddie. In a way I would prefer not to go here because I
am a great fan of JA's, and also because these are conversations
really best held off-line.

I'm aware of everything Unsteady has written, and he's quite right. I
can speak only for myself, of course....so here goes:

Much of the website's historical material is available to everyone
regardless of whether a subscriber. I'm delighted with this, of
course, and I take occasional advantage. Again speaking only for
myself, historical material in audio holds very little sway for me.
Now, of course, others may find great value in such content, and I am
*not* gainsaying that. Such a point of view is as least equal in value
to mine, and many would say valued more than my poor farthing's worth.

Unsteady, if you see this, may I say I agree with your point as well
that the web site complements the magazine. I'm in the peculiar
position of defending a point of view I'm not sure I espouse, namely,
that I don't *like* audio* magazines.

Of course, it's also true that I am no fan of analog, having long ago
moved on and never looked back. Audio magazines devoted to such arcana
have little value for me.....which is not to say others won't benefit
enormously.

I like audio magazines well enough. I just don't think there's enough
business out there to sustain them and it's painful watching magazines
die a slow and ever-diminishing death.

When I do like audio magazines, it's because I'm in the
market......I'm looking for something and want as much input as I can
get. One year I subscribed to Stereophile just for the recommended
components section. I don't think I looked twice at the magazine after
I had purchased somethihg. That's a function of me, however, not
necessarily the market.

In the end, what matters here is that there are enough Fed Ups and
UnsteadyKens to make Stereophile a going concern. I actually love
Stereophile because I have intimate understanding of what goes into
publishing a magazine. I don't call JA a professional's professional
simply because I'm an audio suck-up.....which I'm not. I say that
because Stereophile is a magnificently edited magazine with all that
entails. I don't have to love the content to recognize quality.

I will say, though, that the Stereophile Website is neither fish nor
fowl. That is, it is not a stand-alone site capable of sustaining
itself, and it's not a magazine either. In the same way you can't just
film a play and have a good movie (although many things about such an
effort might be outstanding), you can't just put a magazine on the
web. and hope it will become an outstanding web presence.

However, there's no point in making that site much better than it
currently is if you can't sufficiently monetize the resulting effort.
I won't speak to the viability of the audio market. I leave that to JA
and Boon, both of whom are in it in spades and with skill.

With absolutely no ax to grind here......





Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:03:14 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>> Herbert Hoover said:
>>
>>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
>>> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
>>> no problem
>>
>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>>
>>
>
>It is a bit odd, it shows up on both my BT and aioe
>nntp accounts, but not google, and strangely not on
>a pal's giganews account, and Unsteady posted from
>a rebadged giganews account?
>I pasted it as response to Herbie.

and that was much appreciated and responded to, Feddie.


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:25:28 +0000, Fed Up Lurker
> wrote:

>Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
>thread so now it's dead, time to move on.

You can't put anything past Mrs. Lurker's son, can you?

Dead on, Feddie. Time to move on to something else

Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:38:41 -0800, hophead > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>>
>> Herbert Hoover said:
>>
>> > Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
>> > it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
>> > no problem
>>
>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>
>It's not on my NNTP server either. Without a doubt the Krooborg was
>lying.


Shocked, Shocked, I tell you! hoocuddaknown?


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[UnsteadyKen[_3_]]

Herbert Hoover wrote...

> There you are, unsteady!.
>
> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
> no problem, but I suppose I must be in a depressed
> state..........because I can't seem to locate it....something about
> audio magazines, perhaps?

It was just a reply to your question about whether it was worth
visiting the Stereophile website. I gave what I thought were several
good reasons for doing so and finished by mentioning that IMO the site
was an good example of how a publisher could use the web to complement
a print magazine and provide an excellent resource in its own right.

As opposed to the cheapskate effort by IPC Media, publishers of my
favourite print mag Hi-Fi News http://www.hifinews.co.uk/ which appears
to be there mainly to tempt passing Googlers into buying PDF reprints
of reviews for nearly the full cover price of the magazine. Tut tut.

--
Ken

UK digital switchover advice:
http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml

My feeble audio links site has moved:
again! Now adfree.
http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/

[hophead]

In article >, HHoover1928
@gmail.com says...

> In the end, what matters here is that there are enough Fed Ups and
> UnsteadyKens to make Stereophile a going concern. I actually love
> Stereophile because I have intimate understanding of what goes into
> publishing a magazine. I don't call JA a professional's professional
> simply because I'm an audio suck-up.....which I'm not. I say that
> because Stereophile is a magnificently edited magazine with all that
> entails. I don't have to love the content to recognize quality.

I'm a relatively recent subscriber to Stereophile (just approaching 2
years now) and I really love it. But I like magazines in general. I've
almost always got a subscription on the go for whatever I'm into (I love
cooking: I get a couple of magazines in that genre even though all that
same info is available on-line).

In the earlier days I subscribed to Byte magazine and other similar mags
when that was my thing: I even held a subscription to the "C/C++ User's
Journal" for a time, but I've moved on from that.

Stereophile is blessed with some excellent writers: I don't necessarily
read it for "information", though that can be a part of it, but I really
enjoy reading Fremer, Tellig, Dudley and the other cast. I'm always
thrilled when my copy arrives. And of course, I do learn things.

I'll also say that digital is good, too: I like Tone magazine, and I've
always liked Marc's writing. Jeff Dorgay is good, too, and I like the
depth and breadth of their coverage.

I really hope that you are wrong about print mags: I may be something of
a dinosaur, but I personally love them. Hell, I've even got a ton of
back issues of "The Audio Critic" though I admit these days I part
company with the founder's philosophy.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:43:50 -0800, hophead > wrote:


>
>I'm a relatively recent subscriber to Stereophile (just approaching 2
>years now) and I really love it. But I like magazines in general. I've
>almost always got a subscription on the go for whatever I'm into (I love
>cooking: I get a couple of magazines in that genre even though all that
>same info is available on-line).
>

I used to feel similarly. My behavior was forever changed as I
gradually over a period of time found myself reading the NY Times on
line more and more as opposed to the actual newspaper.

After a while, I found I no longer look forward toi eading traditional
print (other than books, that is)

<snipped for brevity>
>
>I really hope that you are wrong about print mags: I may be something of
>a dinosaur, but I personally love them. Hell, I've even got a ton of
>back issues of "The Audio Critic" though I admit these days I part
>company with the founder's philosophy.

Well.....I do, too (but I don't think so)


Herbert Hoover 1928-1932
"It Was All Franklin's Fault"

[Tony[_12_]]

Please ignore.
I've been asked by someone to change my headers
just for this post. To locate posts by you and to post
this supplied reply. To ascertain if this BT/giganews
server account will also fail to show on several severs.



"UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message
m...
> Herbert Hoover wrote...
>
>> There you are, unsteady!.
>>
>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been unable to find
>> it either via Agent or via Google groups. Everyone else seems to have
>> no problem, but I suppose I must be in a depressed
>> state..........because I can't seem to locate it....something about
>> audio magazines, perhaps?
>
> It was just a reply to your question about whether it was worth
> visiting the Stereophile website. I gave what I thought were several
> good reasons for doing so and finished by mentioning that IMO the site
> was an good example of how a publisher could use the web to complement
> a print magazine and provide an excellent resource in its own right.
>
> As opposed to the cheapskate effort by IPC Media, publishers of my
> favourite print mag Hi-Fi News http://www.hifinews.co.uk/ which appears
> to be there mainly to tempt passing Googlers into buying PDF reprints
> of reviews for nearly the full cover price of the magazine. Tut tut.
>
> --
> Ken
>
> UK digital switchover advice:
> http://www.paras.org.uk/01-intro.shtml
>
> My feeble audio links site has moved:
> again! Now adfree.
> http://unsteadyken.sitegoz.com/
>

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message
> Herbert Hoover said:
>
>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been
>> unable to find it either via Agent or via Google groups.
>> Everyone else seems to have no problem

> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.

No Middiot - Gogle was lying to you. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"hophead" > wrote in message
t
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>>
>> Herbert Hoover said:
>>
>>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been
>>> unable to find it either via Agent or via Google
>>> groups. Everyone else seems to have no problem
>>
>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>
> It's not on my NNTP server either. Without a doubt the
> Krooborg was lying.

USK has confirmed making the post - you are simply talking trash as usual.
:-(

[Arny Krueger]

"hophead" > wrote in message
t

> In article >,
> HHoover1928 @gmail.com says...
>
>> In the end, what matters here is that there are enough
>> Fed Ups and UnsteadyKens to make Stereophile a going
>> concern. I actually love Stereophile because I have
>> intimate understanding of what goes into publishing a
>> magazine. I don't call JA a professional's professional
>> simply because I'm an audio suck-up.....which I'm not. I
>> say that because Stereophile is a magnificently edited
>> magazine with all that entails. I don't have to love the
>> content to recognize quality.

<no amission that he was wrong when he accused me of lying>

Just another RAO troll who actually believes the Middiot's spew.

[Arny Krueger]

"Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in message



> Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
> thread so now it's dead, time to move on.

Typical RAO troll response to input from adults who are capable of critical
thinking.

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "hophead" > wrote in message
> t
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>> Herbert Hoover said:
>>>
>>>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been
>>>> unable to find it either via Agent or via Google
>>>> groups. Everyone else seems to have no problem
>>>
>>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>>
>> It's not on my NNTP server either. Without a doubt the
>> Krooborg was lying.
>
> USK has confirmed making the post - you are simply talking trash as usual.
> :-(
Pot - Kettle - Black!!!

TT

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> message
>> Herbert Hoover said:
>>
>>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been
>>> unable to find it either via Agent or via Google groups.
>>> Everyone else seems to have no problem
>
>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>
> No Middiot - Gogle was lying to you. ;-)
"Gogle" eh?! Is that the new Google Light?

TT

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 18, 7:50*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
>
> > Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
> > thread so now it's dead, time to move on.
>
> Typical RAO troll response to input from adults who are capable of critical
> thinking.

People who are rational, sane and smart realize that you and 2pid
destroy discussions. You and 2pid are the only ones who think that the
two of you are capable of discussing anything.

Everybody else knows better. Isn't that funny, GOIA?

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Feb 18, 7:50 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
>>
>>
>>> Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
>>> thread so now it's dead, time to move on.

>> Typical RAO troll response to input from adults who are
>> capable of critical thinking.

> People who are rational, sane and smart ...

....are a class of people that you can't deal with effectively, Grasshopper.
Time to get back off those drugs and back on your meds. That and a GED would
be a big help for you.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 18, 8:57*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Feb 18, 7:50 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
> >>> thread so now it's dead, time to move on.
> >> Typical RAO troll response to input from adults who are
> >> capable of critical thinking.
> > People who are rational, sane and smart ...
>
> ...are a class of people that you can't deal with effectively, Master.

Oh wow. A weak IKYABWAI.

I did *not* see that coming. LOL!

> Time to get back off those drugs and back on your meds. That and a GED would
> be a big help for you.

You're like a Dachshund trying to take on a Doberman, GOIA. There are
two prime differences between us: I'm sane and smart. You're not. ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Feb, 08:31, "TT" > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > "hophead" > wrote in message
> t
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
>
> >>> Herbert Hoover said:
>
> >>>> Fed Up referred me to a post of your, but I have been
> >>>> unable to find it either via Agent or via Google
> >>>> groups. Everyone else seems to have no problem
>
> >>> I can't find it either. I'm sure the Krooborg was lying.
>
> >> It's not on my NNTP server either. Without a doubt the
> >> Krooborg was lying.
>
> > USK has confirmed making the post - you are simply talking trash as usual.
> > :-(
>
> Pot - Kettle - Black!!!
>
> TT- Ascunde citatul -
>
> - Afiºare text în citat -

Didn't you mean commode - bedpan - brown, considering Arny beinf the
source?

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Feb, 08:57, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Feb 18, 7:50 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> Nutter alert - Arny and Scott have joined the
> >>> thread so now it's dead, time to move on.
> >> Typical RAO troll response to input from adults who are
> >> capable of critical thinking.
> > People who are rational, sane and smart ...
>
> ...are a class of people that you can't deal with effectively, Grasshopper.
> Time to get back off those drugs and back on your meds. That and a GED would
> be a big help for you.

Its time for you to walk in front of a bus, Cockroach.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> Didn't you mean commode - bedpan - brown, considering Arny beinf the
> source?

Arnii believes what jeebus tells him to believe.

[hophead]

In article >,
says...

> Pot - Kettle - Black!!!

I have to admit: I was wrong about Mr. Krooger lying in this instance.
In my defense the record shows that The Krooborg is a pathological liar
and a giant turd. Further, the referenced post was nowhwere to be seen.

Applying the scientific method led support to the only logical
conclusion (The Krooborg lied), but recent newly discovered evidence has
challenged this.

My revised hypothesis: Arnii Krooger is a liar, but (shocking as it may
seem) he did NOT lie about unsteadyken's post.

[Arny Krueger]

"hophead" > wrote in message
t

> I have to admit: I was wrong about Mr. Krooger lying in
> this instance.

A nonsense statement since there is no such person as Mr. Krooger. You know
better than that, therefore you are being deceptive, IOW lying.

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Feb, 14:51, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "hophead" > wrote in message
>
> t
>
> > I have to admit: I was wrong about Mr. Krooger lying in
> > this instance.
>
> A nonsense statement since there is no such person as Mr. Krooger. *You know
> better than that, therefore you are being deceptive, IOW lying.

yes, as you point out, he was lying when he said that Krooger
was telling the truth. Good one, Cockroach!!!

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

hophead said:

> I have to admit: I was wrong about Mr. Krooger lying in this instance.
> In my defense the record shows that The Krooborg is a pathological liar
> and a giant turd. Further, the referenced post was nowhwere to be seen.
>
> Applying the scientific method led support to the only logical
> conclusion (The Krooborg lied), but recent newly discovered evidence has
> challenged this.
>
> My revised hypothesis: Arnii Krooger is a liar, but (shocking as it may
> seem) he did NOT lie about unsteadyken's post.

Another humiliation for the Krooborg: Caught telling the truth in public.



--


"Who is Arnii Krooger?" -- Arnii Krooger (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)

[hophead]

In article <7b945d65-276f-4cd6-9ac7-
>,
says...
>
> yes, as you point out, he was lying when he said that Krooger
> was telling the truth. Good one, Cockroach!!!
>

Hmm, Cockroach... most appropriate.

For variety you might try "dung beetle" as well.

[hophead]

In article >,
says...
>
> Another humiliation for the Krooborg: Caught telling the truth in public.
>

Isn't that typically a prelude to a Kroodown?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

hophead said:

> > Another humiliation for the Krooborg: Caught telling the truth in public.

> Isn't that typically a prelude to a Kroodown?

You may have humiliated Turdy into total submission. Nice.

[hophead]

In article >,
says...
>
>
> hophead said:
>
> > > Another humiliation for the Krooborg: Caught telling the truth in public.
>
> > Isn't that typically a prelude to a Kroodown?
>
> You may have humiliated Turdy into total submission. Nice.

And I thought only Mistress Jenn could accomplish that!

[Fed Up lurker]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Fed Up Lurker" > wrote in message
>
>
>> (And NO AK, all the hardware does not sound the same)
>
> Just another RAO ******, tilting at imaginary windmills.
>
> FUL-ofit, if your high priests actually had to do some real science, they'd
> fall by the wayside in a heartbeat.
>
>

Hi Arny,
I have to admit you're good at the baiting malarky,
and I shouldn't fall for it, and this is the last time
I do fall for your silliness, but....

"real science"? But you Arny use and have faith in
PM's (and to a lesser extent JA's) science.
In your very own "tests", just one example, that
PCI card and software for measuring jitter, it
maybe badged differently, and not as pretty in
your screengrabs, but who do you think was the
developer/originator of that very type of important
jitter measurement tool? That the software you use
is a clumsy copy of said tool.

And Arny, why is it that though it;s obvious you
read through every word posted in zillions of different
groups, it is obvious when you are slaughtered and
lost for a counter argument you carefully select what
posts/threads to reply with your silliness, but still
you get it wrong.
So please, take this opportunity to right just one
or two in this thread. Your amateur recordings of
your local church choir with budget mic's and domestic
hardware. But nobody has actually heard them (If they
exist). But in usenet you use them so as to claim
"professional" status (You're not a professional)
So just once, give substance to your dubious claims,
post a small segment, to YouTube - we will understand
that converted to streaming flash will have an impact,
but it is just to show that you do have some sort of
experiance that you claim to have in that field.

To others:
Dear Herbie
You've been a delight, a real pleasure being in
dialog with you. I hope to catch up with you soon.

UnSteadyKen:
It seems that since late january you may have been
blacklisted by a number of nntp servers, I haven't
done any real homework, but it could be because
you post from a specific assigned IP block that is
deemed naughty? (Not you, but others on that IP sector)

JA:
Silence is golden...and very revealing!
I understand why you couldn't reply to my question.

Now it just leaves me to wish you all a safe Bon Jovi
on your voyage through the loonacy that is usenet.
I'm off to Tesco's to shoplift a couple of bottles
of Californian Cabernet (The Yanks have the perfect
climate and soil for this grape - better than anything
the French can muster)

Cheers
John.

[Herbert Hoover[_3_]]

>
>To others:
>Dear Herbie
>You've been a delight, a real pleasure being in
>dialog with you. I hope to catch up with you soon.

Easily done, Feddie.....er......John. E-mail me. That Herbert Hoover
e-mail address works. I'll respond and we'll communicate
well-enough.....well-enough, that is, if I can recover from being
knackered all these years.
>

Herbert "Knackered" Hoover 2009-2009

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Feb, 06:40, Fed Up Lurker > wrote:
..
>
> Now it just leaves me to wish you all a safe Bon Jovi
> on your voyage through the loonacy that is usenet.
> I'm off to Tesco's to shoplift a couple of bottles
> of Californian Cabernet (The Yanks have the perfect
> climate and soil for this grape - better than anything
> the French can muster)
>

the Rutherford Bench