Re: Bryston's ridiculous CD player

[Boon]

On Feb 1, 3:20�pm, Herbert Hoover > wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:34:11 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
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> >If it is really good, it sounds no different from a $49.95 DVD player.
>
> >Of course Marc, having never done a DBT of CD players, you can't possibly
> >know.
>
> Er.........and if you mean this statement as inclusive, neither do
> you, laser breath.

I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this statement just a
day after I actually did participate in a DBT between digital players
(for the record, both CDs and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot
of DBTs as a general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
making Arny wrong 100% of the time.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
> statement just a day after I actually did participate in
> a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
> and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
> general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
> making Arny wrong 100% of the time.

I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account of his so-called DBT,
there will be more holes in the procedure than there are in a large sponge.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 2, 6:26*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
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> > I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
> > statement just a day after I actually did participate in
> > a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
> > and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
> > general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
> > making Arny wrong 100% of the time.
>
> I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account of his so-called DBT,
> there will be more holes in the procedure than there are in a large sponge.

Why would you say that?

And why don't you use them when you buy your gear? You and 2pid are
alike here, too. You guys rant about them but you don't use them
yourself. That seems crazy to me. LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
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> On Feb 2, 6:26 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>> I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
>>> statement just a day after I actually did participate in
>>> a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
>>> and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
>>> general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
>>> making Arny wrong 100% of the time.

>> I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account
>> of his so-called DBT, there will be more holes in the
>> procedure than there are in a large sponge.

> Why would you say that?

Many years of watching Marc's antics.

Maybe Marc's ragazine gave him a team of competent people to help him
finally get it right. I don't know how many competent people it would take
to average out to be the equivalent of one competent person if Marc is in
the group. It would probably be lots.

> And why don't you use them when you buy your gear?

Decades of ands-on experience.

> You and 2pid are alike here, too.

Wrong again. However grasshopper, as far as you are away from reason, all
reasonable people must be exactly alike to you.

> You guys rant about them
> but you don't use them yourself.

Wrong again. I do DBTs all the time.

> That seems crazy to me.

Strange grasshopper, since you made up the story about my not doing DBTs.
Now, you say that only a crazy person would tell the story that you made up.
Why do you call yourself crazy? Is that what crazy people do? Most of the
crazy people that I've heard of say that reasonably normal people are crazy,
which is what you do all the time.

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 4:26�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
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> > I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
> > statement just a day after I actually did participate in
> > a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
> > and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
> > general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
> > making Arny wrong 100% of the time.
>
> I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account of his so-called DBT,
> there will be more holes in the procedure than there are in a large sponge.

It wasn't my DBT. It was conducted by someone with a PhD in
electrical engineering, someone who has contributed to the audio world
(unlike you). So that's wishful, presumptive and predictable thinking
on your part.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Feb 2, 4:26?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>> I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
>>> statement just a day after I actually did participate in
>>> a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
>>> and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
>>> general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
>>> making Arny wrong 100% of the time.

>> I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account
>> of his so-called DBT, there will be more holes in the
>> procedure than there are in a large sponge.

> It wasn't my DBT.

That's encouraging.

> It was conducted by someone with a PhD
> in electrical engineering,

That's potentially discouraging. EE's are about as screwed up as anybody
when it comes to experimental design. Or not.

> someone who has contributed to
> the audio world (unlike you).

As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how quick he is to drop
names, the anonymity at this point suggests that said EE is embarrassed to
be associated with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't want to be
named.

> So that's wishful,
> presumptive and predictable thinking on your part.

As usual, a gratuitous insult.

Marc's claims to being able to predict anything about me are already in the
sewer based on recent grotesque failures. Today we found that Marc can't
even predict how old I'll be at my next birthday, despite his many claims
that he can.

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 7:03�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> > On Feb 2, 4:26?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> >>> I can't tell you how funny it was that Arny made this
> >>> statement just a day after I actually did participate in
> >>> a DBT between digital players (for the record, both CDs
> >>> and SACDs were compared). I don't do a lot of DBTs as a
> >>> general rule, but I guess the universe is dead set on
> >>> making Arny wrong 100% of the time.
> >> I predict that when and if they publish Marc's account
> >> of his so-called DBT, there will be more holes in the
> >> procedure than there are in a large sponge.
> > It wasn't my DBT.
>
> That's encouraging.

Your fantasy construct told you to say that.

>
> > It was conducted by someone with a PhD
> > in electrical engineering,
>
> That's potentially discouraging. EE's are about as screwed up as anybody
> when it comes to experimental design. Or not.

Thanks for the non-statement.

>
> > �someone who has contributed to
> > the audio world (unlike you).
>
> As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how quick he is to drop
> names, the anonymity at this point suggests that said EE is embarrassed to
> be associated with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't want to be
> named.

Actually, it's our technical editor. You can check our masthead. I
just don't want his good name mixed up with yours in the google search
engine.

>
> > So that's wishful,
> > presumptive and predictable thinking on your part.
>
> As usual, a gratuitous insult.

Nope. It's a fact based upon your observable behavior, and the
presence of NPD. You have no idea how much you conform to the
diagnostic model.

>
> Marc's claims to being able to predict anything about me are already in the
> sewer based on recent grotesque failures. Today we found that Marc can't
> even predict how old I'll be at my next birthday, despite his many claims
> that he can.

I could give a **** about how old you are. But if you promise to
spend your next birthday six feet under, you might see a flicker of
interest in my eyes.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


>>> ?someone who has contributed to
>>> the audio world (unlike you).

>> As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how
>> quick he is to drop names, the anonymity at this point
>> suggests that said EE is embarrassed to be associated
>> with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't want
>> to be named.

> Actually, it's our technical editor. You can check our
> masthead. I just don't want his good name mixed up with
> yours in the google search engine.

In the "Marc Phillips can't get anything right" category for today:

There is no "Technical Editor" on Tone Audio's current issue's masthead.

However, Dan Babineau is accused of being Tone Audio's technical editor in
the body of one of the articles.

Dan Babineau is obviously mentally out to lunch, since he's a high end audio
power conditioner vendor designer. Well known snake oil. And, being a
vendor but not identified as such, he has an obvious conflict of interest
that is being swept under the table by Tone Audio. Either that, or he has no
real influence at the ragazine.

Dan Babineau does not have PhD in engineering according to his online
profile and several other sources. No matter what Marc says in error, Dan's
PhD is in Physics.

So there you have a summary of Marc's screw ups for the day, not to mention
that he was caught lying when he said he didn't care how old I was, and then
ran right out and researched it.

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 8:23�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> >>> ?someone who has contributed to
> >>> the audio world (unlike you).
> >> As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how
> >> quick he is to drop names, the anonymity at this point
> >> suggests that said EE is embarrassed to be associated
> >> with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't want
> >> to be named.
> > Actually, it's our technical editor. �You can check our
> > masthead. �I just don't want his good name mixed up with
> > yours in the google search engine.
>
> In the "Marc Phillips can't get anything right" category for today:
>
> There is no "Technical Editor" on Tone Audio's current issue's masthead.
>
> However, Dan Babineau is accused of being Tone Audio's technical editor in
> the body of one of the articles.
>
> Dan Babineau is obviously mentally out to lunch, since he's a high end audio
> power conditioner vendor designer. Well known snake oil. �And, being a
> vendor but not identified as such, he has an obvious conflict of interest
> that is being swept under the table by Tone Audio. Either that, or he has no
> real influence at the ragazine.
>
> Dan Babineau does not have PhD in engineering according to his online
> profile and several other sources. No matter what Marc says in error, �Dan's
> PhD is in Physics.
>
> So there you have a summary of Marc's screw ups for the day, not to mention
> that he was caught lying when he said he didn't care how old I was, and then
> ran right out and researched it.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> On Feb 2, 8:23?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message

>>
>>
>>>>> ?someone who has contributed to
>>>>> the audio world (unlike you).
>>>> As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how
>>>> quick he is to drop names, the anonymity at this point
>>>> suggests that said EE is embarrassed to be associated
>>>> with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't
>>>> want to be named.
>>> Actually, it's our technical editor. ?You can check our
>>> masthead. ?I just don't want his good name mixed up with
>>> yours in the google search engine.
>>
>> In the "Marc Phillips can't get anything right" category
>> for today:

>> There is no "Technical Editor" on Tone Audio's current
>> issue's masthead.

>> However, Dan Babineau is accused of being Tone Audio's
>> technical editor in the body of one of the articles.

>> Dan Babineau is obviously mentally out to lunch, since
>> he's a high end audio power conditioner vendor designer.
>> Well known snake oil. ?And, being a vendor but not
>> identified as such, he has an obvious conflict of
>> interest that is being swept under the table by Tone
>> Audio. Either that, or he has no real influence at the
>> ragazine.

>> Dan Babineau does not have PhD in engineering according
>> to his online profile and several other sources. No
>> matter what Marc says in error, ?Dan's PhD is in Physics.

>> So there you have a summary of Marc's screw ups for the
>> day, not to mention that he was caught lying when he
>> said he didn't care how old I was, and then ran right
>> out and researched it.

Score again!

Got poor little old Marc so upset that he clicked the send key without
typing an answer - IOW the Usenet white flag.

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 9:26�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> > On Feb 2, 8:23?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> >>>>> ?someone who has contributed to
> >>>>> the audio world (unlike you).
> >>>> As usual, no names, therefore no credibility. Given how
> >>>> quick he is to drop names, the anonymity at this point
> >>>> suggests that said EE is embarrassed to be associated
> >>>> with Marc or his publication, and therefore doesn't
> >>>> want to be named.
> >>> Actually, it's our technical editor. ?You can check our
> >>> masthead. ?I just don't want his good name mixed up with
> >>> yours in the google search engine.
>
> >> In the "Marc Phillips can't get anything right" category
> >> for today:
>
> >> There is no "Technical Editor" on Tone Audio's current
> >> issue's masthead.
>
> > There is on the first 18 issues. �I believe it's not on
> > #19 because Mr. Babineau is currently expanding his
> > business and conflict of interest may be an issue. �To
> > tell you the truth, I hadn't noticed the omission until
> > now. �Nor do I feel compelled to find out and explain it
> > to you, a person with mental health issues.
>
> Translation: Marc had no clue about the conflict of interest �until I
> pointed it out to him. If Marc knew about the conflict and he knew me as
> well as he claims, he would have never drawn me down this path. If Marc knew
> about the ragazines actions, he would have not been so surprised when I blew
> the whistle.
>
> >> However, Dan Babineau is accused of being Tone Audio's
> >> technical editor in the body of one of the articles.
> >> Dan Babineau is obviously mentally out to lunch, since
> >> he's a high end audio power conditioner vendor designer.
> >> Well known snake oil.
> > Oh, so you've performed DBTs with his products? �I have.
> > It's not snake oil at all.
>
> Translation: �Marc already admitted that Tone Audio's technical advisor for
> power conditioner tests is one Dan Babineau, who was thus in the amusing
> position of being a power conditioner vendor employee controlling tests on
> competitive power conditioners. �I
>
> > ?And, being a
> >> vendor but not identified as such, he has an obvious
> >> conflict of interest that is being swept under the table
> >> by Tone Audio.
>
> > He has been identified as a vendor.
>
> Yes by me and Google, but not in any Tone Audio publications that I know of.
>
> > He's also our
> > classical music expert, so there is no more conflict of
> > interest.
>
> Bad logic, and logic that wouldn't stand up in court should any of the
> manufacturers affected want to sue Tone Audio.
>
> > He's done two equipment reviews for us, and
> > neither used any of his components.
>
> Then those reviews are tainted, regardless. High Fidelity fired Julian
> Hirsch for less, but of course those were more moralistic ages and High
> Fidelity was a serious magazine.
>
> > �Either that, or he has no
> >> real influence at the ragazine.
>
> > He's a valuable technical resource.
>
> He taints every review he touches, admittedly the classical music reviews to
> a far lesser degree.
>
> >> Dan Babineau does not have PhD in engineering according
> >> to his online profile and several other sources. No
> >> matter what Marc says in error, ?Dan's PhD is in Physics.
> > Dan has several degrees in both electrical engineering
> > and physics. If I mixed it up, that's my fault.
>
> Wow, I got one begrudging admission of responsibility.
>
> >> So there you have a summary of Marc's screw ups for the
> >> day, not to mention that he was caught lying when he
> >> said he didn't care how old I was, and then ran right
> >> out and researched it.
> > I don't care how old you are. �I do care about proving
> > you wrong.
>
> In this case Marc you proved me right on a number of grounds. Let's see how
> far and how quickly the smell of this stink can be wafted across the audio
> groups.
>
> Question: how far does a Krabapple drop from its tree? ;-)-

Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the beginning.
He's also very well-known in the audio industry as well. Yet in over
three years, no one has put two and two together! Amazing!

Let it waft, crazy man.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the
> beginning. He's also very well-known in the audio
> industry as well. Yet in over three years, no one has
> put two and two together! Amazing!

It is what one expects from a bunch of naive amateurs.

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 12:01�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> > Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the
> > beginning. He's also very well-known in the audio
> > industry as well. �Yet in over three years, no one has
> > put two and two together! �Amazing!
>
> It is what one expects from a bunch of naive amateurs.

There's the NPD we know and abhor. The man who makes the Teflon
capacitors that are industry standards couldn't possible know more
than Arny. He's a "naive amateur."

LOL!

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>> Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the
>>> beginning. He's also very well-known in the audio
>>> industry as well. ?Yet in over three years, no one has
>>> put two and two together! ?Amazing!
>>
>> It is what one expects from a bunch of naive amateurs.

> There's the NPD we know and abhor.

There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the Marc Phillips we
pity.

> The man who makes the
> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
> possible know more than Arny.

Not necdesarily, It appears taht he's just a sales rep for the company that
actually makes those caps:

http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm

> He's a "naive amateur."

Not really, Marc. He did a pretty good job of pulling the wool over your
eyes, or so you say. ;-)

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 12:14�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> > On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> >>> Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the
> >>> beginning. He's also very well-known in the audio
> >>> industry as well. ?Yet in over three years, no one has
> >>> put two and two together! ?Amazing!
>
> >> It is what one expects from a bunch of naive amateurs.
> > There's the NPD we know and abhor.
>
> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the Marc Phillips we
> pity.
>
> > The man who makes the
> > Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
> > possible know more than Arny.
>
> Not necdesarily, It appears taht he's just a sales rep for the company that
> actually makes those caps:
>
> http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
>
> > �He's a "naive amateur."
>
> Not really, Marc. �He did a pretty good job of pulling the wool over your
> eyes, or so you say. ;-)

That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric. That illustrates how your
enthusiasm just an hour ago has dissipated with your realization that
once again you're failing to connect the dots. Industry professionals
are often employed by journals to bring a different perspective. Think
about when Stereophile used Andrew Singer to present an audio dealer's
view of high-end audio. How about John Marks? He has a regular
column in Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some of his CDs
on his recording label.

Why isn't everyone up in arms about this? Because we are honest about
these connections. In every review of RSA gear, we mention
specifically that the designer is on the masthead, so caveat emptor.
Dan never touches any gear that may contain any of his components, or
components from his competitors. In fact, I think both of his reviews
were phono cartridges. He's extremely knowledgeable about audio
equipment, yet we limit his reviews because we don't want these issues
to pop up. Therefore he is our primary classical music reviewer, and
he checks all of our articles to ensure technical accuracy. He's an
outstanding resource, and a really great (albeit driven) guy.

The simple fact is that you're an outsider in the audio world, and you
think you have a scoop about something everybody already knows.
Bummer for you.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Feb 2, 12:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the
>> Marc Phillips we pity.

>>> The man who makes the
>>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
>>> possible know more than Arny.

>> Not necesarily, It appears that he's just a sales rep
>> for the company that actually makes those caps:

>> http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm


> That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.

No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you misread the situation.

> Industry professionals are
> often employed by journals to bring a different
> perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
> Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
> audio. How about John Marks? He has a regular column in
> Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some of his
> CDs on his recording label.

Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where Marks is writing
reviews of other people's CDs for Stereophile?
>
> Why isn't everyone up in arms about this? Because we are
> honest about these connections. In every review of RSA
> gear, we mention specifically that the designer is on the
> masthead, so caveat emptor. Dan never touches any gear
> that may contain any of his components, or components
> from his competitors. In fact, I think both of his
> reviews were phono cartridges. He's extremely
> knowledgeable about audio equipment, yet we limit his
> reviews because we don't want these issues to pop up.
> Therefore he is our primary classical music reviewer, and
> he checks all of our articles to ensure technical
> accuracy. He's an outstanding resource, and a really
> great (albeit driven) guy.
>
> The simple fact is that you're an outsider in the audio
> world, and you think you have a scoop about something
> everybody already knows. Bummer for you.
>
> Boon

[Boon]

On Feb 2, 1:55�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
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> >>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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> >> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the
> >> Marc Phillips we pity.
> >>> The man who makes the
> >>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
> >>> possible know more than Arny.
> >> Not necesarily, It appears that he's just a sales rep
> >> for the company that actually makes those caps:
> >>http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
> > That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.
>
> No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you misread the situation.
>
> > �Industry professionals are
> > often employed by journals to bring a different
> > perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
> > Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
> > audio. �How about John Marks? �He has a regular column in
> > Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some of his
> > CDs on his recording label.
>
> Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where Marks is writing
> reviews of other people's CDs for Stereophile?

He recommends recordings in his column all of the time.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

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> On Feb 2, 1:55?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
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>>> On Feb 2, 12:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
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>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
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>>>> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the
>>>> Marc Phillips we pity.
>>>>> The man who makes the
>>>>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
>>>>> possible know more than Arny.
>>>> Not necessarily, It appears that he's just a sales rep
>>>> for the company that actually makes those caps:
>>>> http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
>>> That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.
>>
>> No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you
>> misread the situation.
>>
>>> ?Industry professionals are
>>> often employed by journals to bring a different
>>> perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
>>> Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
>>> audio. ?How about John Marks? ?He has a regular column
>>> in Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some of
>>> his CDs on his recording label.
>>
>> Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where
>> Marks is writing reviews of other people's CDs for
>> Stereophile?
>
> He recommends recordings in his column all of the time.

So what?

It is not the same as having a vendor be your technical editor.

[Boon]

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> >>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> >>>> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the
> >>>> Marc Phillips we pity.
> >>>>> The man who makes the
> >>>>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards couldn't
> >>>>> possible know more than Arny.
> >>>> Not necessarily, It appears that he's just a sales rep
> >>>> for the company that actually makes those caps:
> >>>>http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
> >>> That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.
>
> >> No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you
> >> misread the situation.
>
> >>> ?Industry professionals are
> >>> often employed by journals to bring a different
> >>> perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
> >>> Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
> >>> audio. ?How about John Marks? ?He has a regular column
> >>> in Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some of
> >>> his CDs on his recording label.
>
> >> Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where
> >> Marks is writing reviews of other people's CDs for
> >> Stereophile?
>
> > He recommends recordings in his column all of the time.
>
> So what?
>
> It is not the same as having a vendor be your technical editor.-

Explain how Dan is a vendor.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hmmm...Dan has been our technical editor almost from the
>>>> beginning. He's also very well-known in the audio
>>>> industry as well. ?Yet in over three years, no one has
>>>> put two and two together! ?Amazing!
>>>
>>> It is what one expects from a bunch of naive amateurs.
>
>> There's the NPD we know and abhor.
>
> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from the Marc Phillips we
> pity.


Who is this "we"? Speak for yourself. I can see no-one on this thread,
or indeed on this group who agrees with the bile you spout constantly.


Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Feb 3, 5:43?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 1:55?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Feb 2, 12:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from
>>>>>> the Marc Phillips we pity.
>>>>>>> The man who makes the
>>>>>>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards
>>>>>>> couldn't possible know more than Arny.
>>>>>> Not necessarily, It appears that he's just a sales
>>>>>> rep for the company that actually makes those caps:
>>>>>> http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
>>>>> That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.
>>
>>>> No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you
>>>> misread the situation.
>>
>>>>> ?Industry professionals are
>>>>> often employed by journals to bring a different
>>>>> perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
>>>>> Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
>>>>> audio. ?How about John Marks? ?He has a regular column
>>>>> in Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some
>>>>> of his CDs on his recording label.
>>
>>>> Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where
>>>> Marks is writing reviews of other people's CDs for
>>>> Stereophile?

>>> He recommends recordings in his column all of the time.

Not the same as reviews.

>> So what?

>> It is not the same as having a vendor be your technical
>> editor.-

> Explain how Dan is a vendor.

His power conditioner company and his sales repping for a capacitor company.

[Boon]

On Feb 3, 10:06�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 5:43?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> On Feb 2, 1:55?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>>>> On Feb 2, 12:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 12:01?pm, "Arny Krueger"
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> >>>>>> There's an example of stupidity and arrogance from
> >>>>>> the Marc Phillips we pity.
> >>>>>>> The man who makes the
> >>>>>>> Teflon capacitors that are industry standards
> >>>>>>> couldn't possible know more than Arny.
> >>>>>> Not necessarily, It appears that he's just a sales
> >>>>>> rep for the company that actually makes those caps:
> >>>>>>http://www.rtie.com/salesrep.htm
> >>>>> That's some pretty insubstantial rhetoric.
>
> >>>> No, anybody can look this up and see how badly you
> >>>> misread the situation.
>
> >>>>> ?Industry professionals are
> >>>>> often employed by journals to bring a different
> >>>>> perspective. Think about when Stereophile used Andrew
> >>>>> Singer to present an audio dealer's view of high-end
> >>>>> audio. ?How about John Marks? ?He has a regular column
> >>>>> in Stereophile, a publication that has reviewed some
> >>>>> of his CDs on his recording label.
>
> >>>> Not the same thing at all, Marc. Why not show me where
> >>>> Marks is writing reviews of other people's CDs for
> >>>> Stereophile?
> >>> He recommends recordings in his column all of the time.
>
> Not the same as reviews.
>
> >> So what?
> >> It is not the same as having a vendor be your technical
> >> editor.-
> > Explain how Dan is a vendor.
>
> His power conditioner company and his sales repping for a capacitor company.-

He's not a sales rep. He's the designer/manufacturer.

Now if Paul Klipsch or Henry Kloss had written a music column for
Audio or Stereo Review or High Fidelity and never mentioned their
products, would you still think it was unethical? Or would you want
to read it?

Boon
, would you say it bwas unethical

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Feb 3, 1:36?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Explain how Dan is a vendor.
>>
>>>> His power conditioner company and his sales repping for
>>>> a capacitor company.-
>>
>>> He's not a sales rep. ?He's the designer/manufacturer.
>>
>> OK Marc, if you want to jump from the pan into the fire,
>> then be my guest!
>
> No, I just want to give credit where credit is due. And
> if I can prove you told a lie at the same time (which I
> just did), then it's a bonus.
>
>>
>>> Now if Paul Klipsch or Henry Kloss had written a music
>>> column for Audio or Stereo Review or High Fidelity and
>>> never mentioned their products, would you still think it
>>> was unethical? ?Or would you want to read it?

>> Not the same as being the Technical Editor.

> From an ethical standpoint, it comes down to this. Were
> we upfront about this? (Yes, we were.)

That's why you sneaked Dan's name out of your masthead without out a word.
Not exactly up front. Actually, well under the table.

> Did we allow Dan
> to review products with his components or those of his
> competitors? (No, we didn't.)

He was the Technical editor which presumes oversight well beyond merely
writing reviews. If he had no oversight, then his name and title were a
joke.

> Is Dan our Technical
> Editor anymore? (No, he isn't.)

Were you up front about that change, no!

> Will we continue to
> consult with him on technical issues? (You bet...he's an
> outstanding resource.)

That's a decision you get to make, Marc. I think that this should be the
extent of his involvement with Tone Audio.