Re: Arny's blathering

[Boon]

On Jan 13, 12:04�pm, keithr > wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> > "keithr" > wrote in message
>
> >> Iain Churches wrote:
>
> >>> So, Arnold "Carroll Shelby " Kreuger, post us a link to
> >>> some of your wonderful work. �Why are you so shy ?
> >> I think that Arnie would find that Carrol Shelby was not
> >> exactly a one man band. Since Shelby Cars �produced
> >> 13,912 Shelby Mustangs and 1,003 Cobras (a total of
> >> 14,915 cars) the guy would have been going at it like a
> >> one armed paper hanger.
> >> I suspect that he had draughtsmen, sheet metal workers,
> >> mechanics, spray painters, and a whole host of others
> >> working with him, just like what happens in any
> >> professional organisation.
>
> > That was of course, a later stage of development of his organization.
>
> Yes, he progressed from being an amateur to being a professional.
>
> > Of course, being a corporate wage slave, you have no concept of building a
> > business from the ground up.
>
> The fact that I have never done it doesn't mean that I know nothing
> about it. several of my acquaintances have done so, of course, most
> failed, that is why I have stayed a wage slave.-

Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's because he's
bitter about not being gainfully employed over the last 25 years.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
> because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
> over the last 25 years.

This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies.

Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
return this year.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Krooborg lies, lies, lies, and lies some more.

> > Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
> > because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
> > over the last 25 years.
>
> This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies[sic].

We all know of your difficulty with common human words such as "lie",
Turdbucket. God only knows what you're trying to say. However, as a point of
fact, you have yet to provide a single shred of proof that you are or have
been gainfully employed. Therefore, all of your claims on the subject are
established lies. Those are your own "debating trade" rules. Live with it.
(Or whatever insane cyborgs do instead of living.)

> Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
> return this year.

Unsuccessful attempt to say something comprehensible noted.

[Boon]

On Jan 13, 2:16�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
> > because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
> > over the last 25 years.
>
> This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies.
>
> Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
> return this year.

WTF?

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 13, 2:47�pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> The Krooborg lies, lies, lies, and lies some more.
>
> > > Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
> > > because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
> > > over the last 25 years.
>
> > This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies[sic].
>
> We all know of your difficulty with common human words such as "lie",
> Turdbucket. God only knows what you're trying to say. However, as a point of
> fact, you have yet to provide a single shred of proof that you are or have
> been gainfully employed. Therefore, all of your claims on the subject are
> established lies. Those are your own "debating trade" rules. Live with it..
> (Or whatever insane cyborgs do instead of living.)
>
> > Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
> > return this year.
>
> Unsuccessful attempt to say something comprehensible noted.

Is he trying to say that I would cut off my penis if I could make what
he made in 1984? You know, I remember when Art and I mentioned in
passing that we made about $70K a year (and that was four or five
years ago). Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to
say that was impossible. Funny thing was that both Art and I
considered $70K rather modest and average and that we weren't boasting
at all.

In other words, I bet that on his best year Arny didn't crack $40 or
$50K a year.

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > > Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
> > > return this year.
> >
> > Unsuccessful attempt to say something comprehensible noted.
>
> Is he trying to say that I would cut off my penis if I could make what
> he made in 1984?

I think Arnii was asking to be punished. Now that Mistress Jenn is all but
ignoring him, Turdy is very sulky.

> In other words, I bet that on his best year Arny didn't crack $40 or
> $50K a year.

If you mean $50K in 2009 dollars, maybe. Not in 1970s dollars. Not a chance.

[atec77[_3_]]

Boon wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2:47�pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>> The Krooborg lies, lies, lies, and lies some more.
>>
>>>> Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
>>>> because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
>>>> over the last 25 years.
>>> This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies[sic].
>> We all know of your difficulty with common human words such as "lie",
>> Turdbucket. God only knows what you're trying to say. However, as a point of
>> fact, you have yet to provide a single shred of proof that you are or have
>> been gainfully employed. Therefore, all of your claims on the subject are
>> established lies. Those are your own "debating trade" rules. Live with it.
>> (Or whatever insane cyborgs do instead of living.)
>>
>>> Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
>>> return this year.
>> Unsuccessful attempt to say something comprehensible noted.
>
> Is he trying to say that I would cut off my penis if I could make what
> he made in 1984? You know, I remember when Art and I mentioned in
> passing that we made about $70K a year (and that was four or five
> years ago). Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to
> say that was impossible. Funny thing was that both Art and I
> considered $70K rather modest and average and that we weren't boasting
> at all.
>
> In other words, I bet that on his best year Arny didn't crack $40 or
> $50K a year.
>
> Boon
70k ?
what did you do for the other 7 month of the year ?

[Boon]

On Jan 13, 9:39�pm, atec77 > wrote:
> Boon wrote:
> > On Jan 13, 2:47 pm, George M. Middius >
> > wrote:
> >> The Krooborg lies, lies, lies, and lies some more.
>
> >>>> Remember that when Arny uses the term "wage slave," it's
> >>>> because he's bitter about not being gainfully employed
> >>>> over the last 25 years.
> >>> This is of course yet another one of Marc's lies[sic].
> >> We all know of your difficulty with common human words such as "lie",
> >> Turdbucket. God only knows what you're trying to say. However, as a point of
> >> fact, you have yet to provide a single shred of proof that you are or have
> >> been gainfully employed. Therefore, all of your claims on the subject are
> >> established lies. Those are your own "debating trade" rules. Live with it.
> >> (Or whatever insane cyborgs do instead of living.)
>
> >>> Marc would probably emasculate himself if it meant could file my 1984 tax
> >>> return this year.
> >> Unsuccessful attempt to say something comprehensible noted.
>
> > Is he trying to say that I would cut off my penis if I could make what
> > he made in 1984? �You know, I remember when Art and I mentioned in
> > passing that we made about $70K a year (and that was four or five
> > years ago). �Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to
> > say that was impossible. �Funny thing was that both Art and I
> > considered $70K rather modest and average and that we weren't boasting
> > at all.
>
> > In other words, I bet that on his best year Arny didn't crack $40 or
> > $50K a year.
>
> > Boon
>
> 70k ?
> � what did you do for the other 7 month of the year ?-

My point exactly.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

You know, I remember

> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). Arny
> and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
> that was impossible.

Yet another lie.

Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more then $70K a year.

[Boon]

On Jan 14, 7:44�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
> �You know, I remember
>
> > when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> > $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). �Arny
> > and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
> > that was impossible.
>
> Yet another lie.
>
> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more then [sic] $70K a year.

That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at all.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> ?You know, I remember
>>
>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
>>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). ?Arny
>>> and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
>>> that was impossible.
>>
>> Yet another lie.
>>
>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more
>> then [sic] $70K a year.

> That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at all.

The point is that again you've been caught in a lie, Marc.

I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less subtle liar than Jenn.

[Clyde Slick]

On 14 Ian, 10:44, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
> *You know, I remember
>
> > when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> > $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). *Arny
> > and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
> > that was impossible.
>
> Yet another lie.
>
> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more then $70K a year..

Such as the personnel officer at Chrysler that first hired Arny.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 10:01*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie, Marc.

No, he hasn't.

> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less subtle liar than Jenn.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 10:16*am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 14 Ian, 10:44, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more then $70K a year.
>
> Such as the personnel officer at Chrysler that first hired Arny.

They needed ashtrays and all the real engineers were otherwise
occupied.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> > On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >> ?You know, I remember
> >>
> >>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> >>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). ?Arny
> >>> and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
> >>> that was impossible.
> >>
> >> Yet another lie.
> >>
> >> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more
> >> then [sic] $70K a year.
>
> > That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at all.
>
> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie, Marc.
>
> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less subtle liar than Jenn.

I've never lied here, and you know it. Stop trolling.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 10:31*am, Jenn > wrote:

> I've never lied here, and you know it. *Stop trolling.

He's just getting his "****s and giggles" like the "good Christian"
that he claims to be.

[Boon]

On Jan 14, 8:01�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
> >> ?You know, I remember
>
> >>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> >>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago). ?Arny
> >>> and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork to say
> >>> that was impossible.
>
> >> Yet another lie.
>
> >> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far more
> >> then [sic] $70K a year.
> > That not the point. �In fact, that's not a point at all.
>
> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie, Marc.

No, I haven't.

>
> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less subtle liar than Jenn.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >, "Arny
> Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?You know, I remember
>>>>
>>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
>>>>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago).
>>>>> ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork
>>>>> to say that was impossible.
>>>>
>>>> Yet another lie.
>>>>
>>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
>>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
>>
>>> That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at all.
>>
>> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
>> Marc.

>> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
>> subtle liar than Jenn.

> I've never lied here, and you know it.

Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything that I know?
Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.

Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one. When proof is
offered, you simply deny it.

> Stop trolling.

Gotcha!

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied about owning.
>
> And while you're at it Arny, tell us about one lie that I've told here.

Didn't you once say that Arnii could be reasoned with? I guess that could be
wishful thinking and not a lie though.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > > Pathological liars automatically assume everyone else is
> > > lying.
> >
> > IME most people tell the truth most of the time.
>
> That's not the point. Your actions, after all, prove otherwise.

Arnii feels it's his duty to lie continually in order to offset all that
wanton truth-telling by "most people". It's all part of his Grand Plan to
make the world as ****ty as possible.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >, "Arny
> Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?You know, I remember
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made
>>>>>>> about $70K a year (and that was four or five years
>>>>>>> ago). ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the
>>>>>>> woodwork to say that was impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet another lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
>>>>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
>>>>
>>>>> That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at
>>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
>>>> Marc.
>>
>>>> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
>>>> subtle liar than Jenn.
>>
>>> I've never lied here, and you know it.
>>
>> Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything
>> that I know? Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.
>
> Delusions of intelligence noted. I know that you know
> that I've never lied here because you can never produce
> an example. You never have, and you never will, because
> I've never lied here.
>
>>
>> Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one.
>
> In your view, what you believe to be a "delusion" is a
> lie? That's not a very bright train of thought.
>
>> When proof is
>> offered, you simply deny it.
>
> You've never offered proof, nor can you.

That'a lie.

You just dismissed it. It's how you work, its obvious. If you don't like it,
just dismiss it!

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >,
> Boon > wrote:
>
>
>> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
>> about owning.
>
> And while you're at it Arny, tell us about one lie that
> I've told here.

Not worth the trouble to document, since you've got a track record for
dismissing any and all proof or documentation.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message


> It's sad to see someone sink so low.

Indeed, look at Jenn the RAO troll. :-(

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 14, 9:03?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> Of course you would, because you're a pathological liar.
>>
>> How many lies have I caught you in Marc, just today?
>>
>>> Pathological liars automatically assume everyone else is
>>> lying.
>>
>> IME most people tell the truth most of the time.
>
> That's not the point. Your actions, after all, prove
> otherwise.
>
>>
>>> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
>>> about owning.
>>
>> Over-priced in whose opinion?
>
> You made the claim. Now prove it.

No answer to a simple question. No purpose served by continuing.

[Clyde Slick]

On 14 Ian, 12:22, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > > In article
> > > >, "Arny
> > > Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >
> > >>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> >
> > >>>> ?You know, I remember
>
> > >>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> > >>>>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago).
> > >>>>> ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork
> > >>>>> to say that was impossible.
>
> > >>>> Yet another lie.
>
> > >>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
> > >>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
>
> > >>> That not the point. *In fact, that's not a point at all.
>
> > >> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
> > >> Marc.
>
> > >> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
> > >> subtle liar than Jenn.
>
> > > I've never lied here, and you know it.
>
> > Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything that I know?
> > Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.
>
> Delusions of intelligence noted. *I know that you know that I've never
> lied here because you can never produce an example. *You never have, and
> you never will, because I've never lied here.
>
>
>
> > Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one.
>
> In your view, what you believe to be a "delusion" is a lie? *That's not
> a very bright train of thought.
>
> > When proof is
> > offered, you simply deny it.
>
> You've never offered proof, nor can you. *You simply and repeatedly
> state that you have, when you haven't.
>
>
>
> > > Stop trolling.
>
> > Gotcha!
>
> No, what you've "got" is a well-earned reputation for being a troll. *
> Most people believe that to be a negative activity. *You obviously don't.-

Specifially, Arny's method of trolling
is to tell a deliberate lie about someone, then, after that person
objects, Arny claims "Gotcha!", basking in the
'victory' of eliciting a response.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > >, "Arny
> > Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?You know, I remember
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made
> >>>>>>> about $70K a year (and that was four or five years
> >>>>>>> ago). ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the
> >>>>>>> woodwork to say that was impossible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yet another lie.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
> >>>>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
> >>>>
> >>>>> That not the point. In fact, that's not a point at
> >>>>> all.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
> >>>> Marc.
> >>
> >>>> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
> >>>> subtle liar than Jenn.
> >>
> >>> I've never lied here, and you know it.
> >>
> >> Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything
> >> that I know? Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.
> >
> > Delusions of intelligence noted. I know that you know
> > that I've never lied here because you can never produce
> > an example. You never have, and you never will, because
> > I've never lied here.
> >
> >>
> >> Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one.
> >
> > In your view, what you believe to be a "delusion" is a
> > lie? That's not a very bright train of thought.
> >
> >> When proof is
> >> offered, you simply deny it.
> >
> > You've never offered proof, nor can you.
>
> That'a lie.
>
> You just dismissed it. It's how you work, its obvious. If you don't like it,
> just dismiss it!

No it's not. You've NEVER offered proof. Show where you've offered
proof, or admit that you are, again, lying.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > Boon > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
> >> about owning.
> >
> > And while you're at it Arny, tell us about one lie that
> > I've told here.
>
> Not worth the trouble to document, since you've got a track record for
> dismissing any and all proof or documentation.

lol You've never documented, because you can't. I'll bet that there is
not even one person here who will say that you have provided such
documentation.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > It's sad to see someone sink so low.
>
> Indeed, look at Jenn the RAO troll. :-(

I don't troll. I sometimes respond to your trolling.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 14 Ian, 12:22, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > >, "Arny
> > > > Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > >>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >
> > >
> > > >>>> ?You know, I remember
> >
> > > >>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> > > >>>>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago).
> > > >>>>> ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork
> > > >>>>> to say that was impossible.
> >
> > > >>>> Yet another lie.
> >
> > > >>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
> > > >>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
> >
> > > >>> That not the point. *In fact, that's not a point at all.
> >
> > > >> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
> > > >> Marc.
> >
> > > >> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
> > > >> subtle liar than Jenn.
> >
> > > > I've never lied here, and you know it.
> >
> > > Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything that I know?
> > > Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.
> >
> > Delusions of intelligence noted. *I know that you know that I've never
> > lied here because you can never produce an example. *You never have, and
> > you never will, because I've never lied here.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one.
> >
> > In your view, what you believe to be a "delusion" is a lie? *That's not
> > a very bright train of thought.
> >
> > > When proof is
> > > offered, you simply deny it.
> >
> > You've never offered proof, nor can you. *You simply and repeatedly
> > state that you have, when you haven't.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Stop trolling.
> >
> > > Gotcha!
> >
> > No, what you've "got" is a well-earned reputation for being a troll. *
> > Most people believe that to be a negative activity. *You obviously don't.-
>
> Specifially, Arny's method of trolling
> is to tell a deliberate lie about someone, then, after that person
> objects, Arny claims "Gotcha!", basking in the
> 'victory' of eliciting a response.

Indeed. Odd behavior, that.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > >> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
> > >> about owning.
> > >
> > > And while you're at it Arny, tell us about one lie that
> > > I've told here.
> >
> > Not worth the trouble to document, since you've got a track record for
> > dismissing any and all proof or documentation.
>
> lol You've never documented, because you can't. I'll bet that there is
> not even one person here who will say that you have provided such
> documentation.

You're enabling the Krooborg, Mistress. He wants to be scolded and
"humiliated". Arnii Krooger is sick, sick, sick.

[Clyde Slick]

On 14 Ian, 14:12, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 14 Ian, 12:22, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > >, "Arny
> > > > > Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > >>> On Jan 14, 7:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> > > >
> > > > >>>> ?You know, I remember
>
> > > > >>>>> when Art and I mentioned in passing that we made about
> > > > >>>>> $70K a year (and that was four or five years ago).
> > > > >>>>> ?Arny and Howard came screeching out of the woodwork
> > > > >>>>> to say that was impossible.
>
> > > > >>>> Yet another lie.
>
> > > > >>>> Bigger idiots than either Art or Marc have made far
> > > > >>>> more then [sic] $70K a year.
>
> > > > >>> That not the point. *In fact, that's not a point at all.
>
> > > > >> The point is that again you've been caught in a lie,
> > > > >> Marc.
>
> > > > >> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
> > > > >> subtle liar than Jenn.
>
> > > > > I've never lied here, and you know it.
>
> > > > Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything that I know?
> > > > Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.
>
> > > Delusions of intelligence noted. *I know that you know that I've never
> > > lied here because you can never produce an example. *You never have, and
> > > you never will, because I've never lied here.
>
> > > > Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one.
>
> > > In your view, what you believe to be a "delusion" is a lie? *That's not
> > > a very bright train of thought.
>
> > > > When proof is
> > > > offered, you simply deny it.
>
> > > You've never offered proof, nor can you. *You simply and repeatedly
> > > state that you have, when you haven't.
>
> > > > > Stop trolling.
>
> > > > Gotcha!
>
> > > No, what you've "got" is a well-earned reputation for being a troll. *
> > > Most people believe that to be a negative activity. *You obviously don't.-
>
> > Specifially, Arny's method of trolling
> > is to tell a deliberate lie about someone, then, after that person
> > objects, Arny claims "Gotcha!", basking in the
> > 'victory' of eliciting a response.
>
> Indeed. *Odd behavior, that.-

First grade teachers see it all the time.

[Boon]

On Jan 14, 11:08�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 9:03?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> Of course you would, because you're a pathological liar.
>
> >> How many lies have I caught you in Marc, just today?
>
> >>> Pathological liars automatically assume everyone else is
> >>> lying.
>
> >> IME most people tell the truth most of the time.
>
> > That's not the point. �Your actions, after all, prove
> > otherwise.
>
> >>> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
> >>> about owning.
>
> >> Over-priced in whose opinion?
>
> > You made the claim. �Now prove it.
>
> No answer to a simple question. No purpose served by continuing.-

Translation form the Krooglish: "I lied. I'm a piece of ****.
There's a real human being in here somewhere, but my personality
disorder is obscuring him. Help!"

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> > Boon > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
>> >> about owning.
>> >
>> > And while you're at it Arny, tell us about one lie that
>> > I've told here.
>>
>> Not worth the trouble to document, since you've got a track record for
>> dismissing any and all proof or documentation.
>
> lol You've never documented, because you can't. I'll bet that there is
> not even one person here who will say that you have provided such
> documentation.

Correct. And that's why we are still wating for Arny to
produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
status as arecording engineer. His failure to do so can only
lead us to the conclusion that this too is a gross deviation
from the truth.

Shame on the man who pretends to be a Christian

[Boon]

On Jan 14, 11:07�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > �It's sad to �see someone sink so low.
>
> Indeed, look at Jenn the RAO troll. :-(

It's unbelievable how low you've sunk today. I can't imagine that
you're feeling too good about yourself right now. By congratulating
yourself for eliciting responses from others by lying about them, you
qualify as a pathetic piece of ****. Now the Australians are fully
aware of your pathological lying. That makes three continents where
you're known as a liar, hypocrite and mentally ill loser who is
addicted to the Internet. With a little initiative, you may be able to
include some Africans and Asians and achieve your global set of goals.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 11:07?am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > ?It's sad to ?see someone sink so low.
>
> Indeed, look at Jenn the RAO troll. :-(

>It's unbelievable how low you've sunk today. I can't imagine that
>you're feeling too good about yourself right now. By congratulating
>yourself for eliciting responses from others by lying about them, you
>qualify as a pathetic piece of ****. Now the Australians are fully
>aware of your pathological lying. That makes three continents where
>you're known as a liar, hypocrite and mentally ill loser who is
>addicted to the Internet. With a little initiative, you may be able to
>include some Africans and Asians and achieve your global set of goals.

Well Boon, something positive may have come out of
this "discussion" with Arny. It has made me re-evaluate my
concepts of Christianity.

I now belive that if there is a Hell, it has no fire and brimstone,
just Arny's1 000 recordings all playing simultaneously in
endless loops.

That's enough to keep any of us on the straight and narrow:-)

Iain

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Iain Churches said:

> I now belive that if there is a Hell, it has no fire and brimstone,
> just Arny's1 000 recordings all playing simultaneously in
> endless loops.

IMO, this comment is too subtle for the Krooborg. He'll twist it into some
kind compliment you allegedly paid him.

> That's enough to keep any of us on the straight and narrow:-)

I'm not worried about going to "hell". I'm just glad The Beast lives a
thousand miles away from me.

[Boon]

On Jan 14, 12:31�pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Iain Churches said:
>
> > I now belive that if there is a Hell, it has no fire and brimstone,
> > just Arny's1 000 recordings all playing simultaneously �in
> > endless loops.
>
> IMO, this comment is too subtle for the Krooborg. He'll twist it into some
> kind compliment you allegedly paid him.
>
> > That's enough to keep any of us on the straight and narrow:-)
>
> I'm not worried about going to "hell". I'm just glad The Beast lives a
> thousand miles away from me.

He lives 2000 miles away from me, so I probably suffer from less
headaches due to the stench than you.

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 10:50*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> >> I have to admit that you're a more frequent and less
> >> subtle liar than Jenn.
> > I've never lied here, and you know it.
>
> Delusions of omniscience noted. So you know everything that I know?
> Interesting, but a stupid lie all by itself.

Everybody lies except GOIA.

I wonder what a shrink would say about that (rhetorical question).

> Jenn I've caught you in several lies, including this one. When proof is
> offered, you simply deny it.

Has anybody decoded double or triple negative usage in Kroospeak? I
think this may be a key in understanding GOIA. This reading seems to
make sense and clears up GOIA's intent nicely:

"Jenn, I haven't not "caught" you in several non-lies. When no proof
is offered you simply don't deny it."

> > Stop trolling.
>
> Gotcha!

Here is a word that threw my Model 7 Krooglish decoder for a loop. The
translation came back "I am behaving in a manner any Christian the
world over would call 'appropriate behavior in Christ's name'".

Is the Model 10A decoder available yet? Supposedly the 10A has an
advanced insane gibberish filter. I think my Model 7 just smoked
itself.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 1:35*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 14 Ian, 14:12, Jenn > wrote:

> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:

> > > Specifially, Arny's method of trolling
> > > is to tell a deliberate lie about someone, then, after that person
> > > objects, Arny claims "Gotcha!", basking in the
> > > 'victory' of eliciting a response.
>
> > Indeed. *Odd behavior, that.
>
> First grade teachers see it all the time.

I'll bet that shrinks do too.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 2:15*pm, Boon > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 11:07 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > It's sad to see someone sink so low.
>
> > Indeed, look at Jenn the RAO troll. :-(
>
> It's unbelievable how low you've sunk today. *I can't imagine that
> you're feeling too good about yourself right now. *By congratulating
> yourself for eliciting responses from others by lying about them, you
> qualify as a pathetic piece of ****. *Now the Australians are fully
> aware of your pathological lying. That makes three continents where
> you're known as a liar, hypocrite and mentally ill loser who is
> addicted to the Internet. With a little initiative, you may be able to
> include some Africans and Asians and achieve your global set of goals.

A computer expert like GOIA is should have no trouble hacking into the
scientific nets used in Antartic research stations. Then he can be
despised there too. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 11:03*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Of course you would, because you're a pathological liar.
>
> How many lies have I caught you in Marc, just today?

Let me take a shot here, GOIA: none. Not a single one.

> > Pathological liars automatically assume everyone else is
> > lying.
>
> IME most people tell the truth most of the time.

LOL! Except when they're talking to you apparently.

> > Tell me again about one over-priced cartridge I lied
> > about owning.
>
> Over-priced in whose opinion?

How about yours, GOIA? Since the question was directed at you, you get
to define it!

Hey, I don't mean to take liberties with Marc, but why don't you tell
us about *any* cartridge that Marc has lied about owning? That should
be easy for you, yes?

Crazyborg runs rampant. Poor GOIA!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 2:09*pm, Boon > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 11:08 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > No answer to a simple question. No purpose served by continuing.-
>
> Translation form the Krooglish: *"I lied. *I'm a piece of ****.
> There's a real human being in here somewhere, but my personality
> disorder is obscuring him. *Help!"

You've "caught" GOIA in a lie: there is no "real human being" in GOIA
anywhere. Further, he's too crazy to see how badly he needs help so
he'd never ask for it.

But since GOIA told the truth ("I'm a piece of ****") I suppose we can
call this one a wash.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
> produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
> status as a recording engineer.

How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a professional
recording engineer?

For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with access to good equipment,
good musicians, and a good hall could make a fine-sounding recording and
post a link to the resulting recording. That has probably already happened.
What would there be about either the link or the file that would reliably
prove that he was an amateur?

[Clyde Slick]

On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > Correct. *And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
> > produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
> > status as a recording engineer.
>
> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a professional
> recording engineer?
>
> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with access to good equipment,
> good musicians, and a good hall could make a fine-sounding recording and
> post a link to the resulting recording. That has probably already happened.
> What would there be about either the link or the file that would reliably
> prove that he was an amateur?

"One" would be able to provide a reerence to the commercially
available
profesionally recorded product that the .wav link came from,
where 'one' would have a production credit.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
> > produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
> > status as a recording engineer.
>
> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a professional
> recording engineer?
>
> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with access to good
> equipment,
> good musicians, and a good hall could make a fine-sounding recording and
> post a link to the resulting recording. That has probably already
> happened.
> What would there be about either the link or the file that would reliably
> prove that he was an amateur?

>"One" would be able to provide a reerence to the commercially
>available
>profesionally recorded product that the .wav link came from,
>where 'one' would have a production credit.

In Arny's case, that would not be possible, as, despite his
1 000 recordings, not a single one seems to be commercially
available. The demand for recorded material is insatiable, so
why have none of Arny's gems been released?


So, we can only judge his offerings by technical quality,
and comparison with other "professional" recordings.
I can't understand why he is so shy:-)

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
>> produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
>> status as a recording engineer.
>
> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a professional
> recording engineer?
>
> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with access to good
> equipment, good musicians, and a good hall could make a fine-sounding
> recording and post a link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> already happened. What would there be about either the link or the file
> that would reliably prove that he was an amateur?
>
Indeed. Many, who have not claimed professional status
(as you have) have posted links to their very good recordings.

But you claimed to be a professional. So we await something
of professional quality from you.

Iain.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>> i.fi
>>
>>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
>>> produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
>>> status as a recording engineer.
>>
>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>> professional recording engineer?
>>
>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>> an amateur?
>
> "One" would be able to provide a reerence to the
> commercially available
> profesionally recorded product that the .wav link came
> from, where 'one' would have a production credit.

Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who basically claims that
some of his recording projects are his work, has any links to any of his
recordings online. But maybe he does.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>
>>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny
>>> to produce documentation (a link) to prove his
>>> professional status as a recording engineer.
>>
>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>> professional recording engineer?
>>
>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>> an amateur?
> Indeed. Many, who have not claimed professional status
> (as you have) have posted links to their very good
> recordings.

Thanks Iain for admitting that your request is illogical and therefore need
not be paid any attention to.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>> i.fi
>>>
>>>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny
>>>> to produce documentation (a link) to prove his
>>>> professional status as a recording engineer.
>>>
>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>>> professional recording engineer?
>>>
>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>>> an amateur?
>> Indeed. Many, who have not claimed professional status
>> (as you have) have posted links to their very good
>> recordings.
>
> Thanks Iain for admitting that your request is illogical and therefore
> need not be paid any attention to.

You claimed to be a professional recording engineer.
Most people here question this claim. The burden of
proof is yours. The reason you do not produce a link
is clear. You work is technically very inferior.

Iain
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>> i.fi
>>>>
>>>>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny
>>>>> to produce documentation (a link) to prove his
>>>>> professional status as a recording engineer.
>>>>
>>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>>>> professional recording engineer?
>>>>
>>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>>>> an amateur?
>>> Indeed. Many, who have not claimed professional status
>>> (as you have) have posted links to their very good
>>> recordings.
>>
>> Thanks Iain for admitting that your request is illogical
>> and therefore need not be paid any attention to.
>
> You claimed to be a professional recording engineer.

On grounds that I defined.

> Most people here question this claim.

Good for them.

> The burden of proof is yours.

Not at all, and I just explained the reason why - your demands are
illogical.

> The reason you do not produce a link
> is clear. You work is technically very inferior.

Bad logic, Iain. In accordance with your logic, John Atkinson does
technically inferior work since he does not post links to all of it.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>> i.fi
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>>> i.fi
>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny
>>>>>> to produce documentation (a link) to prove his
>>>>>> professional status as a recording engineer.
>>>>>
>>>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>>>>> professional recording engineer?
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>>>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>>>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>>>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>>>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>>>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>>>>> an amateur?
>>>> Indeed. Many, who have not claimed professional status
>>>> (as you have) have posted links to their very good
>>>> recordings.
>>>
>>> Thanks Iain for admitting that your request is illogical
>>> and therefore need not be paid any attention to.
>>
>> You claimed to be a professional recording engineer.
>
> On grounds that I defined.

The definition of the word "professional" is clear. Your
personal definition is of no consequence.


>> Most people here question this claim.
>
> Good for them.
>
>> The burden of proof is yours.
>
> Not at all, and I just explained the reason why - your demands are
> illogical.


>> The reason you do not produce a link
>> is clear. You work is technically very inferior.
>
> Bad logic, Iain. In accordance with your logic, John Atkinson does
> technically inferior work since he does not post links to all of it.

John, plus Mistress Jernn,.and John and Mike
from UKRA and several others over the years, have
recordings that can be easily evaluated, as have I.

Your work is technically inferior - so it is not surprising
that you do not wish anyone but your "captive audience"
(who probably don't know a good recording when they
hear one) to audition it.

I am weary of your blathering.
Post your link.

Iain

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
> >>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce documentation (a
> >>> link) to prove his professional status as a recording engineer.
> >>
> >> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
> >> professional recording engineer?
> >>
> >> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
> >> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
> >> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
> >> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> >> already happened. What would there be about either the
> >> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
> >> an amateur?
> >
> > "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
> > commercially available professionally recorded
> > product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
> > would have a production credit.
>
> Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who basically
> claims that some of his recording projects are his work...

Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
commercial releases under your belt. I note that
you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.

> has any links to any of his recordings online. But
> maybe he does.

You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
are getting confused again. In any case, you
can find many of them at http://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
..
You can also audition some of my commercially
released recordings at Amazon.com .

Enjoy.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Clyde Slick]

On 15 Ian, 10:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> >>> Correct. And that's why we are still wafting for Arny to
> >>> produce documentation (a link) to prove his professional
> >>> status as a recording engineer.
>
> >> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
> >> professional recording engineer?
>
> >> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
> >> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
> >> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
> >> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> >> already happened. What would there be about either the
> >> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
> >> an amateur?
>
> > "One" would be able to provide a reerence to the
> > commercially available
> > profesionally recorded product that the .wav link came
> > from, where 'one' would have a production credit.
>
> Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who basically claims that
> some of his recording projects are his work, has any links to any of his
> recordings online. But maybe he does.-

I can buy some of his commercially available recordings.

Game, set, match

[Boon]

On Jan 15, 12:07�pm, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> > i.fi
> > >>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce documentation (a
> > >>> link) to prove his professional status as a recording engineer.
>
> > >> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
> > >> professional recording engineer?
>
> > >> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
> > >> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
> > >> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
> > >> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> > >> already happened. What would there be about either the
> > >> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
> > >> an amateur?
>
> > > "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
> > > commercially available professionally recorded
> > > product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
> > > would have a production credit.
>
> > Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who basically
> > claims that some of his recording projects are his work...
>
> Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
> producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
> traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
> Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
> qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
> commercial releases under your belt. I note that
> you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.
>
> > has any links to any of his recordings online. But
> > maybe he does.
>
> You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
> you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
> are getting confused again. In any case, you
> can find many of them athttp://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
> .
> You can also audition some of my commercially
> released recordings at Amazon.com .
>
> Enjoy.

I want to enjoy some of Arny's commercially released recordings.
Where can I find them?

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 15 Ian, 15:53, Boon > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:07 pm, John Atkinson > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > > On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> > > i.fi
> > > >>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce documentation (a
> > > >>> link) to prove his professional status as a recording engineer.
>
> > > >> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
> > > >> professional recording engineer?
>
> > > >> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
> > > >> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
> > > >> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
> > > >> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> > > >> already happened. What would there be about either the
> > > >> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
> > > >> an amateur?
>
> > > > "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
> > > > commercially available professionally recorded
> > > > product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
> > > > would have a production credit.
>
> > > Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who basically
> > > claims that some of his recording projects are his work...
>
> > Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
> > producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
> > traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
> > Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
> > qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
> > commercial releases under your belt. I note that
> > you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.
>
> > > has any links to any of his recordings online. But
> > > maybe he does.
>
> > You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
> > you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
> > are getting confused again. In any case, you
> > can find many of them athttp://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
> > .
> > You can also audition some of my commercially
> > released recordings at Amazon.com .
>
> > Enjoy.
>
> I want to enjoy some of Arny's commercially released recordings.
> Where can I find them?
>


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[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> I want to enjoy some of Arny's commercially released recordings.
> Where can I find them?

They're hidden among his turd collection. Good luck!

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

> Your work is technically inferior - so it is not
> surprising that you do not wish anyone but your "captive
> audience" (who probably don't know a good recording when
> they hear one) to audition it.

Again Iain shows the sorry effects of what appears to be senile dementia on
his reasoning powers.

Iain says "Your work is technically inferior", but he can produce no
evidence that he has ever heard it. He admits this as he asks high and low
for a copy of something that I recorded.

Obviously, Iain has prejudged my work. He is clearly a judge who is
intensely biased against me. No doubt I could deliver a fine recording to
him, and based on his repeated prejudgments, he will say that it sounds like
crap.

Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his supporters
such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.

[Boon]

On Jan 15, 1:39�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > Your work is technically inferior - so it is not
> > surprising that you do not wish anyone but your "captive
> > audience" (who probably don't know a good recording when
> > they �hear one) �to audition it.
>
> Again Iain shows the sorry effects of what appears to be senile dementia on
> his reasoning powers.
>
> Iain says "Your work is technically inferior", but he can produce no
> evidence that he has ever heard it. He admits this as he asks high and low
> for a copy of something that I recorded.
>
> Obviously, Iain has prejudged my work. He is clearly a judge who is
> intensely biased against me. No doubt I could deliver a fine recording to
> him, and based on his repeated prejudgments, he will say that it sounds like
> crap.
>
> Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his supporters
> such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.

Wrong. Iain originally asked for a link so he could confirm his
initial impressions, and the impressions of others. There isn't
anyone here who thinks he could be wrong, and that your recording
could actually conform to a professional standard.

You reputation proceeds you. I'm not sure why you keep responding.
Any audio career you think you might have is kaput.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
> > Your work is technically inferior - so it is not
> > surprising that you do not wish anyone but your "captive
> > audience" (who probably don't know a good recording when
> > they hear one) to audition it.
>
> Again Iain shows the sorry effects of what appears to be senile
> dementia on
> his reasoning powers.
>
> Iain says "Your work is technically inferior", but he can produce no
> evidence that he has ever heard it. He admits this as he asks high and
> low
> for a copy of something that I recorded.
>
> Obviously, Iain has prejudged my work. He is clearly a judge who is
> intensely biased against me. No doubt I could deliver a fine recording
> to
> him, and based on his repeated prejudgments, he will say that it
> sounds like
> crap.
>
> Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his
> supporters
> such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.

LOL Nice one. I shared a couple of recordings with you, made in a
bedroom in my house, with inexpensive gear. But you won't return the
favor.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
news:1801170440253748529.292023jennconductsREMOVET ...
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>

>> Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his
>> supporters
>> such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.
>
> LOL Nice one. I shared a couple of recordings with you, made in a
> bedroom in my house, with inexpensive gear. But you won't return the
> favor.


But that's the difference, Jenn. You provide a recording
which you honetly and frankly stated to hae been
"made in the bedroomn of your house" so that those who
hear it enjoy it for what it is, and don't expect Royce Hall.

In contrast, Arny boasts professional status, and so
raises the expectations of the listener to a level which he
cannot possibly sustain.

Hence, he will not post his link.
He appears to be a fraud and a charlatan
We shall have to accept that.

Regards
Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 1:39?pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > Your work is technically inferior - so it is not
> > surprising that you do not wish anyone but your "captive
> > audience" (who probably don't know a good recording when
> > they ?hear one) ?to audition it.
>
> Again Iain shows the sorry effects of what appears to be senile dementia
> on
> his reasoning powers.
>
> Iain says "Your work is technically inferior", but he can produce no
> evidence that he has ever heard it. He admits this as he asks high and low
> for a copy of something that I recorded.
>
> Obviously, Iain has prejudged my work. He is clearly a judge who is
> intensely biased against me. No doubt I could deliver a fine recording to
> him, and based on his repeated prejudgments, he will say that it sounds
> like
> crap.
>
> Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his
> supporters
> such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.

>Wrong. Iain originally asked for a link so he could confirm his
>initial impressions, and the impressions of others. There isn't
>anyone here who thinks he could be wrong, and that your recording
>could actually conform to a professional standard.

>You reputation proceeds you. I'm not sure why you keep responding.
>Any audio career you think you might have is kaput.

Boon. There is no "audio careeer". Arny is a
volunteer at his church, which, in itself, is highly
commendable. Why can't that be enough?

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>> Your work is technically inferior - so it is not
>> surprising that you do not wish anyone but your "captive
>> audience" (who probably don't know a good recording when
>> they hear one) to audition it.
>
> Again Iain shows the sorry effects of what appears to be senile dementia
> on his reasoning powers.
>
> Iain says "Your work is technically inferior", but he can produce no
> evidence that he has ever heard it. He admits this as he asks high and low
> for a copy of something that I recorded.
>
> Obviously, Iain has prejudged my work. He is clearly a judge who is
> intensely biased against me.

As I have mentioned here "dozens" of times, I actually
had one of your recordings on a CD-RW made from
material on a TinyUrl. There is not the slightest doubt
in my mind that it was genuine, as you and I discussed
it. It was probably the worst recording, of the worst
choir I have ever heard.

Your defence was "We were just having fun!"
I replied "Mozart is fun, great fun, but still should be
well recorded and performed with good intonation!"

I passed this CD-RW to a lecturer friend of mine
who played it to his students. A young lady, a gifted
cellist, ran from the auditorium in tears!
She thought it wes some kind of cruel sacreligious hoax!

The CD-RW was regarded as a piece of passing trivia,
and passed on hand to hand. I am doing my utmost to
find it. When I do, I shall post a link to it here.


>No doubt I could deliver a fine recording to him,

Then please do so!

>and based on his repeated prejudgments, he will say that it sounds like
>crap.

No. That I will not do. It is a simple task to compare whatever you
offer with a "proper" recording, which will reveal the strengths and
weaknesses of your work.
>
> Thus, it is perfectly logical that I prevent Iain and any of his
> supporters such as Jenn, to ever hear a recording that I made.

No logic, just fear that you will b exposed as a charlatan.
But this will happen anyway, as soon as we fnd the CD-RW.


Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message


> On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:

>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

>>

>>> On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote: "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>> i.fi

>>>>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce
>>>>> documentation (a link) to prove his professional
>>>>> status as a recording engineer.
>
>>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>>>> professional recording engineer?
>
>>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>>>> an amateur?

>>> "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
>>> commercially available professionally recorded
>>> product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
>>> would have a production credit.

>> Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who
>> basically claims that some of his recording projects are
>> his work...

> Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
> producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
> traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
> Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
> qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
> commercial releases under your belt. I note that
> you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.

John, I don't need to be a member of any fancy organization to meet my
personal goals.

BTW, I don't think I've ever explained publicly why I'm not a member of the
AES. The reason is that I've had to scuffle with certain AES members over
their technical ignorance and public dissembling and perhaps even lying. By
not being a member of any of the same professional organizations as they
are, I've avoided bringing those fine organizations into what has basically
been a turd-slinging match. These despicable people are turd-slingers at
heart.

However John, you've done a nice job of disemboweling a certain Mr. Iain
Churches (email address above), who has been saying that what you do is
impossible. I thank you for it.

>> has any links to any of his recordings online. But
>> maybe he does.

> You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
> you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
> are getting confused again. In any case, you
> can find many of them at
> http://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events

I actually browsed this site researching the post of mine that John is now
****ing on. I didn't see what Iain demanded of me.

What's missing John is what was demanded by Mr. Churches, a free
downloadable .wav file with sufficient word length and bit rate to be
suitable for critical listening. You may have such a thing posted
elsewhere, but the URL was not easy for me to find.
..
> You can also audition some of my commercially
> released recordings at Amazon.com .

This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely ignorant, despite your
usual malevolent and self-aggrandizing tone.

The context of the link that is desired by Mr. Churches is a free download
of a .wav file. Got any?

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> You reputation proceeds you. I'm not sure why you keep
> responding. Any audio career you think you might have is
> kaput.

Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
reading RAO.

Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
reading the writings of Marc Phillips.

I can't imagine why. ;-)

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> message
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>>>
>
>>>> On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote: "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>>> i.fi
>
>>>>>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce
>>>>>> documentation (a link) to prove his professional
>>>>>> status as a recording engineer.
>>
>>>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
>>>>> professional recording engineer?
>>
>>>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
>>>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
>>>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
>>>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
>>>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
>>>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
>>>>> an amateur?
>
>>>> "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
>>>> commercially available professionally recorded
>>>> product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
>>>> would have a production credit.
>
>>> Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who
>>> basically claims that some of his recording projects are
>>> his work...
>
>> Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
>> producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
>> traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
>> Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
>> qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
>> commercial releases under your belt. I note that
>> you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.
>
> John, I don't need to be a member of any fancy organization to meet my
> personal goals.
>
> BTW, I don't think I've ever explained publicly why I'm not a member of
> the AES. The reason is that I've had to scuffle with certain AES members
> over their technical ignorance and public dissembling and perhaps even
> lying. By not being a member of any of the same professional organizations
> as they are, I've avoided bringing those fine organizations into what has
> basically been a turd-slinging match. These despicable people are
> turd-slingers at heart.

Ahem. So you don't get along with people fom the AES, you don't get
along with people from the BBC, you don't get along with people from
Decca, you don't get along with people from aus.hi-fi, you don't get
along with people from RAT, you don't get along with people from
ROA. Is there any group of people you *do* get along with?
>
>>> has any links to any of his recordings online. But
>>> maybe he does.
>
>> You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
>> you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
>> are getting confused again. In any case, you
>> can find many of them at
>> http://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
>
> I actually browsed this site researching the post of mine that John is now
> ****ing on. I didn't see what Iain demanded of me.
>
> What's missing John is what was demanded by Mr. Churches, a free
> downloadable .wav file with sufficient word length and bit rate to be
> suitable for critical listening. You may have such a thing posted
> elsewhere, but the URL was not easy for me to find.

Again, Arny your poor level of reading comprehension
let's you down badly. For an evaluation snippet, an .mp3
faded at say 30s is totally adequate. I have stated this
on numerous occasions.One should never give public
access to .wav file links, particularly if they ae full length.
> .
>> You can also audition some of my commercially
>> released recordings at Amazon.com .
>
> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely ignorant, despite
> your usual malevolent and self-aggrandizing tone.

John is always polite and correct.
Highly commendable.

> The context of the link that is desired by Mr. Churches is a free download
> of a .wav file. Got any?

The Detroit Dyslectc strikes again!
I have never asked for a .wav file from anyone.

Iain

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 16, 10:05*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in

> > Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
> > producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
> > traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
> > Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
> > qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
> > commercial releases under your belt. I note that
> > you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.
>
> John, I don't need to be a member of any fancy organization to meet my
> personal goals.

I think you meant "fancy elitist organization". LOL!

> BTW, I don't think I've ever explained publicly why I'm not a member of the
> AES. The reason is that I've had to scuffle with certain AES members over
> their technical ignorance and public dissembling and perhaps even lying. By
> not being a member of any of the same professional organizations as they
> are, I've avoided bringing those fine organizations into what has basically
> been a turd-slinging match. These despicable people are turd-slingers at
> heart.

Wow. The AES is a bunch of liars too. I'll bet you miss the turd-
slinging though.

It's good that you keep up your role as the sole truth-teller in the
whole entire world.

> What's missing John is what was demanded by Mr. Churches, a free
> downloadable .wav file with sufficient word length and bit rate to be
> suitable for critical listening. *You may have such a thing posted
> elsewhere, but the URL was not easy for me to find.

I think many people would like to hear your work as a professional
recordist. Just provide a link to where we can buy an example.

> > You can also audition some of my commercially
> > released recordings at Amazon.com .
>
> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely ignorant, despite your
> usual malevolent and self-aggrandizing tone.
>
> The context of the link that is desired by Mr. Churches is a free download
> of a .wav file. *Got any?

I'll pay to hear your work, GOIA. I'll buy it on Amazon. Got any?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> I think many people would like to hear your work as a professional
> recordist. Just provide a link to where we can buy an example.

Reading between the lines of Krooger's "truths", I believe I've discovered
the real reason he can't share: We're just not worthy. We're all "liars",
you see, or unbelievers in the Supremacy Of Kroofulness, or even Stereophile
subscribers. Any of those disqualifies a Normal from being "objective" about
the ****tiness -- er, quality -- of the Krooborg's "professional"
recordings.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 16, 11:05*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
> > On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >>> On 15 Ian, 09:05, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote: *"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
> >>>>> we are still wafting for Arny to produce
> >>>>> documentation (a link) to prove his professional
> >>>>> status as a recording engineer.
> >>>>
> >>>> How would a link to a .wav file prove that someone is a
> >>>> professional recording engineer?
> >>>>
> >>>> For example, a talented, hard-working amateur with
> >>>> access to good equipment, good musicians, and a good
> >>>> hall could make a fine-sounding recording and post a
> >>>> link to the resulting recording. That has probably
> >>>> already happened. What would there be about either the
> >>>> link or the file that would reliably prove that he was
> >>>> an amateur?
> >>>
> >>> "One" would be able to provide a reference to the
> >>> commercially available professionally recorded
> >>> product that the .wav link came from, where 'one'
> >>> would have a production credit.
> >>
> >> Sorry Art, but I don't think that John Atkinson, who
> >> basically claims that some of his recording projects are
> >> his work...
> >
> > Of course they are my work, Mr. Krueger. I have both
> > producer and engineer credits on the booklets and
> > traycards and I am also a voting member of NARAS
> > Producers & Engineers division, something you can't
> > qualify for unless you have a minimum number of
> > commercial releases under your belt. I note that
> > you are not a member, Mr. Krueger.
>
> John, I don't need to be a member of any fancy organization
> to meet my personal goals.

No, but given the claims that you made on r.a.p. that you
are a "professional" recording engineer, it's relevant to point
out that as well as your not ever having had released recordings
for sale, you are not a member of an appropriate trade
organization.

> BTW, I don't think I've ever explained publicly why I'm not a member of the
> AES. The reason is that I've had to scuffle with certain AES members over
> their technical ignorance and public dissembling and perhaps even lying.

Yet you have claimed to represent the AES viewpoint, Mr. Krueger.
A paradox.

> John, you've done a nice job of disemboweling a certain Mr. Iain
> Churches (email address above), who has been saying that what
> you do is impossible.

Not in any posting of Iain's I can find, Mr. Krueger. Perhaps
the fact that English s not your first language is leading to
comprehension problems on your part?

> >> has any links to any of his recordings online. But
> >> maybe he does.
> >
> > You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
> > you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
> > are getting confused again. In any case, you
> > can find many of them at
> >http://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
>
> I actually browsed this site...I didn't see what Iain demanded of me.

There are downloadable files of recordings that, contrary to your
assertion Mr. Krueger, I have engineered, mixed and mastered.
They may be MP3s but people can still readily use them to judge
my abilities in this field.

> What's missing John is what was demanded by Mr. Churches, a free
> downloadable .wav file with sufficient word length and bit rate to be
> suitable for critical listening.

He didn't say this in any posting I can find, Mr. Krueger. He
referred to "documentation (a link) to prove [AK's] professional
status as a recording engineer," but Iain made no mention of
"WAV files," or "sufficient word length and bit rate." (That was Art
Sackman.) Can you provide the URL or message ID where Iain
used those words, please.

> > You can also audition some of my commercially
> > released recordings at Amazon.com .
>
> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
> ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
> self-aggrandizing tone.

The topic is samples of recordings that can be
downloaded, Mr. Krueger, in response to your
assertion that I might not have been involved in
commercial recordings. How you infer from the
12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
"malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.

> The context of the link that is desired by Mr.
> Churches is a free download of a .wav file.
> Got any?

I don't see why a high-bit-rate MP3 wouldn't suffice,
Mr. Krueger. But tell you what: I will send you one
of my latest CDs free of charge if you send me an
example of one of your recent recordings. That way
we can each judge our respective efforts and you can
be satisfied that I have indeed have CDs released
that feature my work as an engineer and producer.
You might even appreciate the music.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 16, 1:28*pm, John Atkinson > wrote:

> But tell you what: I will send you one
> of my latest CDs free of charge if you send me an
> example of one of your recent recordings.

Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA bragging about
how he "took JA for a free CD".

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message


>> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
>> ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
>> self-aggrandizing tone.

> How you infer from the
> 12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
> "malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.

John now, you're just being stupid. The post of yours that I replied to
above, had many times more than 12 words in it. Your more recent reply is
just as snarky.

But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false claims of Iain Churches
that a single recordist cannot possibly produce high quality work.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Jan 16, 1:28 pm, John Atkinson
> > wrote:
>
>> But tell you what: I will send you one
>> of my latest CDs free of charge if you send me an
>> example of one of your recent recordings.
>
> Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA
> bragging about how he "took JA for a free CD".

What a liar. John has sent me a number of free CDs, and while some of them
raised technical questions, I never said any such thing as what you Just
claimed.

And for the record, I did not "take JA for a free trip to NY". I think that
in some sense we both received fair value for our contributions to that
venture.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in message
>
>> On Jan 16, 1:28 pm, John Atkinson
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> But tell you what: I will send you one
>>> of my latest CDs free of charge if you send me an
>>> example of one of your recent recordings.
>>
>> Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA
>> bragging about how he "took JA for a free CD".
>
> What a liar.

Is there no one taking part in this discussion, with the
exception of your good self, who is *not* a liar?
LOL:-))

Iain

[Boon]

On Jan 16, 8:07�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > You reputation proceeds you. �I'm not sure why you keep
> > responding. Any audio career you think you might have is
> > kaput.
>
> Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
> reading RAO.
>
> Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
> reading the writings of Marc Phillips.
>
> I can't imagine why. ;-)

I can. You don't have a career.

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
> > reading the writings of Marc Phillips.
> >
> > I can't imagine why. ;-)
>
> I can. You don't have a career.

Hey, those broken-down computers won't fix themselves, you know.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Iain Churches said:

> >> Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA
> >> bragging about how he "took JA for a free CD".
> >
> > What a liar.

Arnii, how can a prognostication be a "lie"? Remember, we don't know
Krooglish. We only speak human language.

> Is there no one taking part in this discussion, with the
> exception of your good self, who is *not* a liar?

Ah, nostalgia.... Time was, when the Krooborg was totally besieged, Nousiane
would come riding in to the rescue. Or duh-Mikey McBugEater would tromp in
to denounce Dr. Bruce. Or even Scottie Witlessmongrel would shrill about
Stereophile's lack of blind "tests".

Now all we have is Arnii Kroofeces, stinking in the wind, all alone....

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 16, 2:59*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> > > > John Atkinson pointed out:
> > > > You can also audition some of my commercially
> > > > released recordings at Amazon.com .
> > >
> > > This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
> > > ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
> > > self-aggrandizing tone.
> >
> > The topic is samples of recordings that can be
> > downloaded, Mr. Krueger, in response to your
> > assertion that I might not have been involved in
> > commercial recordings. How you infer from the
> > 12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
> > "malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.
>
> John now, you're just being stupid. The post of yours
> that I replied to above, had many times more than 12
> words in it.

But, as you can see from the quoted section that you
snipped and I restored and to which you were referring,
Mr. Krueger, there just 12 words. Or as you might say:
"dozens." :-)

> Your more recent reply is just as snarky.

Oh dear. That's terrible, Mr. Krueger. Perhaps it's
because I am a member of the AES, the organization
you are claiming disses you.

> But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false
> claims of Iain Churches that a single recordist cannot
> possibly produce high quality work.

I haven't made any comment on this subject, Mr. Krueger.
But as you can see from the sleevenotes on the recordings
to which I have given you links, when I engineer, I work with
a producer; when I produce, I work with one or more
engineers. How this fact "disembowels" something Iain
might have said is beyond me.

So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 16, 3:02*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> John has sent me a number of free CDs...

Two, to be exact, Mr. Krueger. Or, as you might say,
"dozens." :-)

> and while some of them raised technical questions...

Only in your imagination, Mr. Krueger. And as the Google record
clearly shows, both Glen Zelniker and I politely disabused you of
your mistaken criticisms.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>> >> Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA
>> >> bragging about how he "took JA for a free CD".
>> >
>> > What a liar.
>
> Arnii, how can a prognostication be a "lie"? Remember, we don't know
> Krooglish. We only speak human language.
>
>> Is there no one taking part in this discussion, with the
>> exception of your good self, who is *not* a liar?
>
> Ah, nostalgia.... Time was, when the Krooborg was totally besieged,
> Nousiane
> would come riding in to the rescue. Or duh-Mikey McBugEater would tromp in
> to denounce Dr. Bruce. Or even Scottie Witlessmongrel would shrill about
> Stereophile's lack of blind "tests".
>
> Now all we have is Arnii Kroofeces, stinking in the wind, all alone....
>

The sad fact is that, despite his claims to Christianity,
Arny has the social graces of a raccoon!

If he could control himself, his "unorthodox" opinions,
might lead to interesting discussion.
Am I expecting too much?

Iain

[keithr]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> message
>
>
>>> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
>>> ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
>>> self-aggrandizing tone.
>
>> How you infer from the
>> 12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
>> "malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.
>
> John now, you're just being stupid. The post of yours that I replied to
> above, had many times more than 12 words in it. Your more recent reply is
> just as snarky.
>
> But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false claims of Iain Churches
> that a single recordist cannot possibly produce high quality work.

I don't think that there was ever a claim of "Cannot", the claim was
"Does not in the commercial world". Stop twisting words, I know that it
is a part of Dishonest Debating 101 but it does you no credit at all.

Keith

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

John Atkinson said:

> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.

Fair? Hardly.™ You have a well-funded corporate postage meter and Arnii has
to trundle down to the post office to buy stamps out of his own pocket.

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 16, 3:02 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> John has sent me a number of free CDs...
>
> Two, to be exact, Mr. Krueger. Or, as you might say,
> "dozens." :-)

>> and while some of them raised technical questions...

> Only in your imagination, Mr. Krueger. And as the Google
> record clearly shows, both Glen Zelniker and I politely
> disabused you of your mistaken criticisms.

Yup, that's why the phrase I invented over Glen's numerous meltdowns,
stonewalls, and pandering objections - "self dither" now not infrequently
comes up as a relevant effect, in the discussion of dither and noise in
digital systems. I find 322 references to the phrase in google, the clear
majority relevant and positive. It is a pretty good example of growing
though adversity, don't you think? ;-)

You know John, there would be hope for you if you could learn how to be
gracious loser. You would then have a chance of learning from your many
mistakes.

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message


> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.

Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording that I do at church
that meets my standards.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 16, 4:06*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
> > So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> > exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording that I do
> at church that meets my standards.

Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the concept of
someone producing work that does not meet his own standards).
I'll send you a couple of CDs next week and I look forward to
hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Harry Lavo]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 16, 4:06 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
> > So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> > exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording that I do
> at church that meets my standards.

Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the concept of
someone producing work that does not meet his own standards).
I'll send you a couple of CDs next week and I look forward to
hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

********************************************8

Don't hold your breath, John. Arny claims his recordings don't meet his
standards because the choir stinks.

Of course, he hasn't explained why a recordist of his caliber can't rustle
up work recording a group that truly is professional.

[Arny Krueger]

"keithr" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>
>>>> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
>>>> ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
>>>> self-aggrandizing tone.
>>
>>> How you infer from the
>>> 12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
>>> "malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.
>>
>> John now, you're just being stupid. The post of yours
>> that I replied to above, had many times more than 12
>> words in it. Your more recent reply is just as snarky.
>>
>> But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false
>> claims of Iain Churches that a single recordist cannot
>> possibly produce high quality work.
>
> I don't think that there was ever a claim of "Cannot",
> the claim was "Does not in the commercial world". Stop
> twisting words, I know that it is a part of Dishonest
> Debating 101 but it does you no credit at all.

It seems to me that John and any number, probably thousands of other solo
recordists like him belie the claim that "A single recordist does not
produce high quality work in the commerical world". And that's just a
paraphrase of what you said, so don't give me this "debating trade" garbage,
grasshopper.

Iain's idea that you need a big corporate structure to do high quality
recording work is his own ego and ignorance talking.

I've heard dozens of recordists, many veterans of life in a corporate
recording environment, shake their heads at the inefficient consumption of
people and resources in that context. That's one reason why corporate
recording is going away.

The majors aren't producing recordings like they did, they farm that out so
much these days. And, its not just the recording business that is like
that. Ever hear of "outsourcing"?

I just picked John because I could count on him to toot his own horn on
Usenet.

BTW, I think that at least some of John's recordings are really pretty
good, the rest probably not being exactly to my taste but OK and credible.

I'm happy that I can admit in public that I think that John actually does
quite a few things right, and don't have to resort to his childish rants
like he's been especially bad about today.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> message
>
>
>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording that I do at
> church that meets my standards.


You have claimed to be a professional.
So a recoerding that meets professional standard
will suit admirably. Is that too much to ask?

You claim to have > 1 000 recordings.
That's ten (or if you like, a dozen) times as many
as some real professionals make in a lifetime.

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 16, 2:59 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
> > Arny Krueger wrote:

>> But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false
>> claims of Iain Churches that a single recordist cannot
>> possibly produce high quality work.

>I haven't made any comment on this subject, Mr. Krueger.
>But as you can see from the sleevenotes on the recordings
>to which I have given you links, when I engineer, I work with
>a producer; when I produce, I work with one or more
>engineers. How this fact "disembowels" something Iain
>might have said is beyond me.

No, of course it doesn't, quite the contrary.
Arny has a low opinion of producers (I won't bother
to look for the post) but that is probably because he
doesn't understand the role, or the contribution which
he/she makes to the project overall.

Neither can Arny understand the importance of the
2E, editor or photographer/sleevedesigner/graphic
artist, all of whom make an important contribution
to the finished product.

He clams to do everything single handed
It would be fun to take Arny along to a session,
and ask him to perform, one by one, the tasks for
which each member of the team is responsible.

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 16, 4:06 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>
>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>
>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>
> Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the
> concept of someone producing work that does not meet his
> own standards).

It is simple John - I work under duress.

> I'll send you a couple of CDs next week
> and I look forward to hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.

Unhh John, don't hold your breath. The church trustees are incredibly tight
with the strings on some pretty full purses, and the downward economy around
here is only making many of them pull tighter. I wonder if you have more
faith in God than they do! ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message


> Don't hold your breath, John. Arny claims his recordings
> don't meet his standards because the choir stinks.

That would be yet another lie., but hey its Harry Lavo speaking and what
else can he do?

The choir is OK and improving dramatically, but the room sucks eggs and so
far I haven't been given the opportunity to do much about it. Also, other
than rehearsals, I have to record with an active SR system going, and that
definitely makes things far more difficult.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>
>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>
>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>
>
> You have claimed to be a professional.
> So a recording that meets professional standard
> will suit admirably. Is that too much to ask?

I don't own those recordings, Iain.

> You claim to have > 1 000 recordings.
> That's ten (or if you like, a dozen) times as many
> as some real professionals make in a lifetime.

I'm just guessing, but I'd bet that most of those guys don't do all the
setup, rehearsal, the session itself, and produce delivered media once
every 12 minutes. ;-)

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 16, 11:05 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>> John, you've done a nice job of disemboweling a certain Mr. Iain
>> Churches (email address above), who has been saying that what
>> you do is impossible.

> Not in any posting of Iain's I can find, Mr. Krueger. Perhaps
> the fact that English s not your first language is leading to
> comprehension problems on your part?

John, it is clear that Arny is desperately blowing smoke here,
while casting all kinds of interesting aspersions at all and sundry,
in order to get himself off the hook.

To me, the term "professional recording engineer" means on
of two things. Firstly that one can make recordings of a standard
equal to commercial work made by other professionals.
Secondly, that recording is the principle source of earned
income (this includes royalties of course:-) It is unlikely
that without being able to reach the standards in 1, that
2 will remain unfulfilled.

I also think that having recordings released commercially
that are bought by a public willing to pay hard cash for
them (as opposed to give-aways among a church
congregation) is qualification for professional status.

It is clear from the above, that Arny does not fill
the criteria. He works as a volunteer for his church,
which in itself is highly commendable.
Why cannot this be enough?

To save you time in digging through the large number of
posts on this and other threads, John, I will recap on
what I said.

Firstly, I challenged Mr Krueger's claim to be a
professional engineer (having by chance heard a
dreadful recording of a most emnbarrassing church
choir)

He has previously stated that he was a computer
repair technician.

I asked him to substantiate his claim and post a
segment in .mp3 (by segment I mean a short
extract faded out at an apporopriate point) just
as many others, including myself, have done, for
the interest and enjoyment of others, and to simulate
discussion.

One should never provide links on open forum to
wav files..

Arny claimed he was unable to meet the request
for a snippet due to copyright restrictions. This is
of course a lame excuse. The Copyright Act both
in the US and the EU contains a clause for "fair use"
(called "restricted access" here in the EU) under
which publishers, composers, conductors, arrrangers,
artists, musicians, producers, engineers, editors,
musical instrument makers and technicians
etc etc may offer a smal sample of their work for
appraisal but not for commercial use other
than by the copyright owner. This is invariably
in .mp3 format.



> >> has any links to any of his recordings online. But
> >> maybe he does.
> >
> > You know I do, Mr. Krueger, because I have given
> > you the URLs in other r.a.o. postings. Perhaps you
> > are getting confused again. In any case, you
> > can find many of them at
> >http://www.cantusonline.org/Store/mp3.html?category=events
>
> I actually browsed this site...I didn't see what Iain demanded of me.

>There are downloadable files of recordings that, contrary to your
>assertion Mr. Krueger, I have engineered, mixed and mastered.
>They may be MP3s but people can still readily use them to judge
>my abilities in this field.

..Mp3 is the standard format for such evaluation material.
Surely Mr Krueger knows this, I have pointed it out "dozens"
of times:-)


>> What's missing John is what was demanded by Mr. Churches, a free
>> downloadable .wav file with sufficient word length and bit rate to be
>> suitable for critical listening.

>He didn't say this in any posting I can find, Mr. Krueger. He
>referred to "documentation (a link) to prove [AK's] professional
>status as a recording engineer," but Iain made no mention of
>"WAV files," or "sufficient word length and bit rate." (That was Art
>Sackman.) Can you provide the URL or message ID where Iain
>used those words, please.

Of course he cannot:-) Just as he cannot produce URL to
messages regarding other things that he claims that I
and others have said. This is just a desperate smoke screen.

>The topic is samples of recordings that can be
>downloaded, Mr. Krueger, in response to your
>assertion that I might not have been involved in
>commercial recordings. How you infer from the
>12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
>"malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.

These are typical cut-and-paste words of
a derogatory nature which Mr Krueger uses
when he cannot sustain his viewpoint by
any other method.

> I don't see why a high-bit-rate MP3 wouldn't suffice,
> Mr. Krueger. But tell you what: I will send you one
> of my latest CDs free of charge if you send me an
> example of one of your recent recordings. That way
> we can each judge our respective efforts and you can
>be satisfied that I have indeed have CDs released
>that feature my work as an engineer and producer.
>You might even appreciate the music.

That's a splendid gesture, John. I will do the same,
and give Arny a link to link to one of my showreels,
on the understanding that I will post the link to the
segment that Arny sends me for appraisal by
his peers on these two groups. A great number of
people are keen to hear the work of this worthy
professional.

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
ti.fi

> No, of course it doesn't, quite the contrary.

Except it does as far as the facts of the matter goes.


> Arny has a low opinion of producers (I won't bother
> to look for the post)

Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.

> but that is probably because he
> doesn't understand the role, or the contribution which
> he/she makes to the project overall.

Iain, you're confirming what I suspected all along. You're not a recordist,
you're a producer.

> Neither can Arny understand the importance of the
> 2E, editor or photographer/sleevedesigner/graphic
> artist, all of whom make an important contribution
> to the finished product.

That would be yet another lie, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just
can't stop.

> He clams to do everything single handed

No, I limited the span of what I do. So that would be yet another lie, but
when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.

> It would be fun to take Arny along to a session,
> and ask him to perform, one by one, the tasks for
> which each member of the team is responsible.

I'm sure that the important stuff gets done, but some singing and dancing
that fills a lot of time in a corporate environment just sort of sloughs
away.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 16, 4:23*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 4:06 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> >>
> >>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> >>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> >> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
> >> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>
> > Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the
> > concept of someone producing work that does not meet his
> > own standards).
>
> It is simple John - I work under duress.

All recordists do, Mr. Krueger. For example, while I am not
what some call a "cable nazi," I do insist on spooling all my
cables myself so that it's done right.

>> *I'll send you a couple of CDs next week and I look forward
>> to hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.
>
> Unhh John, don't hold your breath.

Good grief, Mr. Krueger, it didn't take you long to back out of
the deal. I'll send you the CDs and I will wait for yours.

> The church trustees are incredibly tight with the strings on
> some pretty full purses, and the downward economy around
> here is only making many of them pull tighter. I wonder if you
> have more faith in God than they do! ;-)

Are you operating a random text generator, Mr. Krueger?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Bill[_16_]]

In article >,
says...

> Ah, nostalgia.... Time was, when the Krooborg was totally besieged, Nousiane
> would come riding in to the rescue. Or duh-Mikey McBugEater would tromp in
> to denounce Dr. Bruce. Or even Scottie Witlessmongrel would shrill about
> Stereophile's lack of blind "tests".
>
> Now all we have is Arnii Kroofeces, stinking in the wind, all alone....

Don't discount Scottie - he may come riding in to the rescue before the
Kroodown is complete. After all, both Jenn and John have had exchanges
with the Krooborg and their "hypocrisy" usually outrages him to no end.

--
Bill

[Boon]

On Jan 16, 1:00�pm, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in messagenews:ifs1n45nsafi616h1limel1aisv2uvacmv@4ax .com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> Oh boy. Here we go again. Now we'll have months of GOIA
> >> >> bragging about how he "took JA for a free CD".
>
> >> > What a liar.
>
> > Arnii, how can a prognostication be a "lie"? Remember, we don't know
> > Krooglish. We only speak human language.
>
> >> Is there no one taking part in this discussion, with the
> >> exception of your good self, who is *not* a liar?
>
> > Ah, nostalgia.... Time was, when the Krooborg was totally besieged,
> > Nousiane
> > would come riding in to the rescue. Or duh-Mikey McBugEater would tromp in
> > to denounce Dr. Bruce. Or even Scottie Witlessmongrel would shrill about
> > Stereophile's lack of blind "tests".
>
> > Now all we have is Arnii Kroofeces, stinking in the wind, all alone....
>
> The sad fact is that, despite his claims to Christianity,
> Arny has the social graces of a raccoon!
>
> If he could control himself, his "unorthodox" opinions,
> might lead to interesting discussion.
> Am I expecting too much?

Unfortunately, yes. Arny is mentally ill. I don't mean in an
Internet sort of way, but in a very real way.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 11:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" >


>
> John, I don't need to be a member of any fancy organization to meet my
> personal goals.
>

Liar!
you have the help of these guys.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4182026035

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 11:07, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
> Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
> reading RAO.
>

What career????????????

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 11:37, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>

>
> Ahem. So you don't get along with people fom the AES, you don't get
> along with people from the BBC, you don't get along with people from
> Decca, you don't get along with people from aus.hi-fi, you don't get
> along with people from RAT, you don't get along with people from
> ROA. Is there any group of people you *do* get along with?
>

Yes Indeed!
Arny fits in with these guys.

http://www.web-pub.com/aa/

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Strangely enough, nobody who matters to my career seems to spend much time
> > reading RAO.

> What career????????????

Arnii is referring to his "Usenet career", silly.

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 16:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
>
> > So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> > exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording that I do at church
> that meets my standards.

Thanks for admitting that you expect to make dozens
of recordings that are lower than your own standards.

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 16:23, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
> Unhh John, don't hold your breath. The church trustees are incredibly tight
> with the strings on some pretty full purses, and the downward economy around
> here is only making many of them pull tighter. I wonder if you have more
> faith in God than they do! ;-)

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=MAO&FILE_NAME=R200608%5C2006243%5C00000738.tif

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:


> Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.

It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your view.
Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...

[Boon]

On Jan 16, 5:51�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> �"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.
>
> It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your view. �
> Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...

Yup...a major component of a paranoid personality disorder.

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

> > Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.
>
> It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your view.
> Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...

It's not just RAO, you know. It's all of Usenet. Every group where the
Krooborg tries his "debating trade" crapola inevitably turns out to be
absolutely teeming with "liars".

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 20:51, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just can't stop.
>
> It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your view. *
> Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...

Worst of all, in Arny's view, Rev MAtt lies to him
about good and evil, heaven and hell, and Arny's prospective place in
the hereafter.

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 16, 4:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 16, 4:06 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>>>
>>>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>
>>>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>>>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>>
>>> Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the
>>> concept of someone producing work that does not meet his
>>> own standards).
>>
>> It is simple John - I work under duress.

> All recordists do, Mr. Krueger. For example, while I am
> not what some call a "cable nazi," I do insist on spooling
> all my cables myself so that it's done right.

I'm not talking about trivial duress like that. BTW, I also spool my own
cables for the same reason.

No, the problem with my prime venue is that its acoustics suck, and I rarely
get to record without the SR system also going full tilt.

>>> I'll send you a couple of CDs next week and I look
>>> forward to hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.
>
>> Unhh John, don't hold your breath.

> Good grief, Mr. Krueger, it didn't take you long to back
> out of the deal.

No backing out, just a heads up on probable delivery dates.

> I'll send you the CDs and I will wait for yours.

Thanks you.

>> The church trustees are incredibly tight with the
>> strings on some pretty full purses, and the downward
>> economy around
>> here is only making many of them pull tighter. I wonder
>> if you have more faith in God than they do! ;-)

> Are you operating a random text generator, Mr. Krueger?

Over your head, I see. What's new?

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 16 Ian, 16:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>
>>
>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>
>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>
> Thanks for admitting that you expect to make dozens
> of recordings that are lower than your own standards.

No, 100s.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >, "Arny
eger" > wrote:

>> Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just
>> can't stop.

> It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your
> view. Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...

As far as RAO goes Jenn, you must be the only person in the world who is
naive enough to give your complete trust to such a group of weirdoes. RAO -
that is what 10 people, possibly less if you factor out the sockpuppets?

As far as the AES goes, last I looked the AES had over 10,000 members, so
saying that a few of them might not be trustworthy is hardly a big negative.
If you're naive enough to completely trust 10,000 strangers, well that's a
choice you get to make.


Bottom line Jenn, we've got another one of your rush to judgments.

[Herbert Hoover]

Jeebus, Arnie!! Years later you're still trying to argue that you're a
full-fledged audio preofessional and top flight engineer despite *no*
professional credentials, *no* experience, *no* work product etc. etc.

Actually, what am I talking about? Years later you're still here
wasting what little of your wasted life remains..

It's good to see that the worst things in life are both free and
changeless.



On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:59:50 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"John Atkinson" > wrote in
>message

>
>>> This time John I'll give you a pass for being merely
>>> ignorant, despite your usual malevolent and
>>> self-aggrandizing tone.
>
>> How you infer from the
>> 12 words of mine above that I am "ignorant,"
>> "malevolent and self-aggrandizing" is unclear.
>
>John now, you're just being stupid. The post of yours that I replied to
>above, had many times more than 12 words in it. Your more recent reply is
>just as snarky.
>
>But John, thanks again for disemboweling the false claims of Iain Churches
>that a single recordist cannot possibly produce high quality work.
>
>

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Don't hold your breath, John. Arny claims his recordings
>> don't meet his standards because the choir stinks.
>
> That would be yet another lie., but hey its Harry Lavo speaking and what
> else can he do?
>
> The choir is OK and improving dramatically, but the room sucks eggs and so
> far I haven't been given the opportunity to do much about it. Also, other
> than rehearsals, I have to record with an active SR system going, and that
> definitely makes things far more difficult.
OK then what about some of the other 1,000s of recordings you 'klaim' to
have 'enjuneered'? BTW is 1,000s using the same binary system of
calculation that your "dozens" refer to? Oh don't get smart and send John a
recording of "keys rattling" or that dorky little bell either!

So now's the time - put up or shut up!

TT

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> message
>
>> On Jan 16, 4:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 16, 4:06 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>>>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>>
>>>>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>>>>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>>>
>>>> Okay. it's a deal (although I don't comprehend the
>>>> concept of someone producing work that does not meet his
>>>> own standards).
>>>
>>> It is simple John - I work under duress.
>
>> All recordists do, Mr. Krueger. For example, while I am
>> not what some call a "cable nazi," I do insist on spooling
>> all my cables myself so that it's done right.
>
> I'm not talking about trivial duress like that. BTW, I also spool my own
> cables for the same reason.
>
> No, the problem with my prime venue is that its acoustics suck, and I
> rarely get to record without the SR system also going full tilt.
>
>>>> I'll send you a couple of CDs next week and I look
>>>> forward to hearing your own work, Mr. Krueger.
>>
>>> Unhh John, don't hold your breath.
>
>> Good grief, Mr. Krueger, it didn't take you long to back
>> out of the deal.
>
> No backing out, just a heads up on probable delivery dates.
>
>> I'll send you the CDs and I will wait for yours.
>
> Thanks you.
>
>>> The church trustees are incredibly tight with the
>>> strings on some pretty full purses, and the downward
>>> economy around
>>> here is only making many of them pull tighter. I wonder
>>> if you have more faith in God than they do! ;-)
>
>> Are you operating a random text generator, Mr. Krueger?
>
> Over your head, I see. What's new?
>
It's very simple Arny - put up or shut up!

TT

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> On 16 Ian, 16:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>>
>>>
>>>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
>>>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>>>
>>> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
>>> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that you expect to make dozens
>> of recordings that are lower than your own standards.
>
> No, 100s.
Then that leaves over 900 to choose from to send JA!

Put up or shut up!

TT

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>> In article
>> >, "Arny
> eger" > wrote:
>
>>> Not in general, but when Iain is on a lying jag, he just
>>> can't stop.
>
>> It seems that a huge number of people lie to you, in your
>> view. Virtually all of RAO, members of the AES...
>
> As far as RAO goes Jenn, you must be the only person in the world who is
> naive enough to give your complete trust to such a group of weirdoes.
> RAO - that is what 10 people, possibly less if you factor out the
> sockpuppets?
>
> As far as the AES goes, last I looked the AES had over 10,000 members, so
> saying that a few of them might not be trustworthy is hardly a big
> negative. If you're naive enough to completely trust 10,000 strangers,
> well that's a choice you get to make.
>
>
> Bottom line Jenn, we've got another one of your rush to judgments.
>
>
Bottom line Arny, you're one sick puppy with severe psychological disorders
to deal with!

TT

[TT]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi...
> A great number of
> people are keen to hear the work of this worthy
> professional.
>
> Iain
>
How did you write that without vomiting? ;-) The first half I agree with,
where as the latter................. ;-)

Cheers TT

[Clyde Slick]

On 16 Ian, 21:29, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 16 Ian, 16:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> So: are you going to send me some of recordings in
> >>> exchange for some of mine? Seems like a fair exchange.
>
> >> Tell you what John. I will send you the first recording
> >> that I do at church that meets my standards.
>
> > Thanks for admitting that you expect to make dozens
> > of recordings that are lower than your own standards.
>
> No, 100s.

Thanks, Arny, for admitting you have made 100's of sub par
recordings, Mr. Professional.

[Arny Krueger]

"Herbert Hoover" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Jeebus, Arnie!! Years later you're still trying to argue
> that you're a full-fledged audio preofessional and top
> flight engineer despite *no* professional credentials,
> *no* experience, *no* work product etc. etc.

I did that just as surely as a dead president of the US would be posting on
RAO today.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> ti.fi
>
> I'm sure that the important stuff gets done, but some singing and dancing
> that fills a lot of time in a corporate environment just sort of sloughs
> away.
>

It is my contention that, in your case, the "important stuff"
(your phrase) does not get done, which results in a mediocre
end product, which you are unwilling to allow anyone here to
audition

Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
your work which reaches a profesional standard.

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Herbert Hoover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>

>> Jeebus, Arnie!! Years later you're still trying to argue
>> that you're a full-fledged audio preofessional and top
>> flight engineer despite *no* professional credentials,
>> *no* experience, *no* work product etc. etc.
>
> I did that just as surely as a dead president of the US would be posting
> on RAO today.
>

Arny, Please explain.

If you can, as you claim, do the job of a crew of four
or five, (anyway, less than half a dozen:-) just as
efficiently, and at probably one twentieth of the
cost, why is it that clients are not queuing up to use
your services?

In these budget-conscious days, there would be
huge savings to be made.

I wonder if the fact that your results are dreadful-to-
mediocre has anything to do with it?

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

> Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
> your work which reaches a profesional standard.

Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)

But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.

The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much of a
recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other small
recordists.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

> If you can, as you claim, do the job of a crew of four
> or five, (anyway, less than half a dozen:-) just as
> efficiently, and at probably one twentieth of the
> cost, why is it that clients are not queuing up to use
> your services?

Unlike busy-bodies like you Iain, I'm plenty busy.

Iain, it is not my fault that you were forced out of the day-to-day
operations of Decca. Based on your behavior on Usenet, its quite clear that
the person responsible was none other than you!

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>> Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
>> your work which reaches a profesional standard.
>
> Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
> doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)
>
> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>
> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much of
> a recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
> small recordists.
You may put up as many recordings you like, that as may people as you like
helped you on and any gear at all whether begged, borrowed or stolen!

There! Does that help you at all Arns?

The only criteria is that you do actually contribute some significant
portion of the recording work. I would hate that you to get around the
above by being the janitor at some studio on a work experience scheme ;-)

TT

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"TT" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>
>>> Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
>>> your work which reaches a profesional standard.
>>
>> Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
>> doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)
>>
>> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>>
>> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
>> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much
>> of a recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of
>> other small recordists.

> You may put up as many recordings you like, that as may people as you like
> helped you on and any gear at all whether begged, borrowed or stolen!
>
> There! Does that help you at all Arns?
>
> The only criteria is that you do actually contribute some significant
> portion of the recording work. I would hate that you to get around the
> above by being the janitor at some studio on a work experience scheme ;-)
>
Hi TT. Perhaps the reason Arny works alone is that
no-one wishes to get involved with him and his mediocre
efforts. Smart people:-)

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>> If you can, as you claim, do the job of a crew of four
>> or five, (anyway, less than half a dozen:-) just as
>> efficiently, and at probably one twentieth of the
>> cost, why is it that clients are not queuing up to use
>> your services?
>
> I'm plenty busy.

With professional recording?
Then you will have plenty to post.
Why are you so shy? :-))

> Iain, it is not my fault that you were forced out of the day-to-day
> operations of Decca. Based on your behavior on Usenet, its quite clear
> that the person responsible was none other than you!

Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!

I left Deccca at the end of my second contract, to
move to Scandinavia and take a senior post with another
major record compay.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>> Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
>> your work which reaches a profesional standard.
>
> Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
> doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)

Apologies for the typo.

> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much of
> a recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
> small recordists.

We are talking about professionalism. Any teenager can
achieve your mediocre results. You, Arny, have claimed
to be a professional, which implies, amongst other things,
a certain standard. Convince us:-)


John, like every other professional making commercial recordings
as a recording engineer, uses a producer as he clearly admits.
IIRC he also stated that when he is producing, he uses the
services of one or more engineers. So that makes a three man
location team. If he were working on a large multi-mic project
a long distance from his base, he would probably augment that
team by two, a driver and a rigger, to make a 5-man team.


BTW. I have just come across a photo of one of the
Decca location consoles temporarily installed in the
United Artists Cinema (Theater) in Detroit, subsequently
used by the Detroit Symphony for recording
and rehearsals.

Have you recorded there? If so, one of those
recordings would do:-)


Iain

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 7:05*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.

LOL!

> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much of a
> recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other small
> recordists.

Why would he run and hide, you insane ****?

All you're doing is challenging Iain to do something that you're not
willing to do.

Your recent meltdown has been one of your more memorable ones. Keep up
the good work, GOIA. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 7:41*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

> Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!

If GOIA did that he wouldn't be GOIA.

[TT]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
ti.fi...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>
>>> If you can, as you claim, do the job of a crew of four
>>> or five, (anyway, less than half a dozen:-) just as
>>> efficiently, and at probably one twentieth of the
>>> cost, why is it that clients are not queuing up to use
>>> your services?
>>
>> I'm plenty busy.
>
> With professional recording?
> Then you will have plenty to post.
> Why are you so shy? :-))

One senses that there is the potential for Arny to be greatly embarassed
:-))

>
>> Iain, it is not my fault that you were forced out of the day-to-day
>> operations of Decca. Based on your behavior on Usenet, its quite clear
>> that the person responsible was none other than you!
>
> Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!

<<<Insert stunned look here>>> You want Arny to change the habit of a
lifetime just like that?! Surely you jest? :-))

>
> I left Deccca at the end of my second contract, to
> move to Scandinavia and take a senior post with another
> major record compay.
>

Red rag to a bull there Iain. Can't you make him feel better and say
something like you were a bankrupt and had to flee the country to somewhere
without extradition. Oh and the closest you get to a "mice" these days is
when you are working on the check out of MacDonald's. "Level check on one.
Testing. Testing. One, two, three, will that be with fries Sir? :-))

Nah! On second thoughts, rub his nose in it ;-) Also I should remind you
that he is showing all the traits of Philthy Analson and his abhorrence to
anyone being even slightly successful in their chosen field.


Cheers Terry

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 7:41 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

>> Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!

>If GOIA did that he wouldn't be GOIA.

But how does he equate his behaviour with
his claims to be a born-again Christian?

[TT]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi...
>
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jan 19, 7:41 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
>>> Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!
>
>>If GOIA did that he wouldn't be GOIA.
>
> But how does he equate his behaviour with
> his claims to be a born-again Christian?
>
In a word "Hypocrisy."

Cheers TT

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 08:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
> > your work which reaches a profesional standard.
>
> Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
> doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)
>
> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>
> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much of a
> recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other small
> recordists.

LOL!!!LOL!!!!

you are asking him for an amatuer hobbyist
recording, not a professional piece of work.
professional work is not made that way.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Jan 19, 7:05 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>
> LOL!
>
>> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made
>> using recording equipment that you own. IOW, I want the
>> world to see if you are as much of a recordist as say,
>> Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
>> small recordists.

> Why would he run and hide, my master and commander?

Well Grasshopper as I keep repeating and Iain occasionally admits, he has
nothing of his own to show to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist.

Tell me Grasshopper, can you conceive of the difference between a producer
who shuffles papers, and a recordist who actually makes recordings with
microphones and recorders?

BTW Grasshopper, can you even properly and reliably distinguish between a
piece of paper and a microphone?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 8:45*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Jan 19, 7:05 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>
> > LOL!
>
> >> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made
> >> using recording equipment that you own. IOW, I want the
> >> world to see if you are as much of a recordist as say,
> >> Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
> >> small recordists.
> > Why would he run and hide, GOIA?
>
> Well Master as I keep repeating and Iain occasionally admits, he has
> nothing of his own to show to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist..

Do you keep repreating that you have nothing of your own to show, yet
you keep saying that you are a "recordist"?

> Tell me Master, can you conceive of the difference between a producer
> who shuffles papers, and a recordist who actually makes recordings with
> microphones and recorders?

Sure, GOIA. I can also see when somebody makes claims they can't back
up. Take you, for example. You keep demanding "proof" yet you do not
provide it.

Do you know what that makes you, GOIA? Can you tell the difference
between the fog of insanity and reality? LOL!

> BTW Master, can you even properly and reliably distinguish between a
> piece of paper and a microphone?

Sure, GOIA. If you'd like to talk about miking guitars and guitars
through amps let me know.

I've always been on the other side of the microphone, GOIA. I've been
recorded by a "recordist" in a "studio".

The "recordists" that I've worked with have tended to be sane though.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in message
>
>> On Jan 19, 7:05 am, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made
>>> using recording equipment that you own. IOW, I want the
>>> world to see if you are as much of a recordist as say,
>>> Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
>>> small recordists.
>
>> Why would he run and hide, my master and commander?
>
> Well Grasshopper as I keep repeating and Iain occasionally admits, he has
> nothing of his own to show to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist.

And I keep repeating, I am neither. I have supplied you with a long
list of commercially available recordings from which you can establish
my correct job title.
>
> Tell me Grasshopper, can you conceive of the difference between a producer
> who shuffles papers,

So that's what you think a producer does?
In the words of the song, "Oh, You have no idea!"

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Ian, 08:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>> i.fi
>>
>> > Please prove me wrong by posting a sample of
>> > your work which reaches a profesional standard.
>>
>> Trust me Iain, you may be the only person in the world who is capable of
>> doing work to a "profesional" (sic) standard. ;-)
>>
>> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.
>>
>> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
>> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much
>> of a
>> recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
>> small
>> recordists.
>
> LOL!!!LOL!!!!
>
> you are asking him for an amatuer hobbyist
> recording, not a professional piece of work.
> professional work is not made that way.

Clyde. I am not fussy. If Arny makes the recording
all alone standing in his head, that's fine by me,
as long as it reaches the professional standard
that he has claimed for himself.
Is that too much to ask?

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 7:05 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>> But oh by the way, back at you Iain, you coward.

>LOL!

>> The sample you post must be 100% your own work, and made using recording
>> equipment that you own. IOW, I want the world to see if you are as much
>> of a
>> recordist as say, Arny Krueger or John Atkinson or thousands of other
>> small
>> recordists.

>Why would he run and hide, you insane ****?
>All you're doing is challenging Iain to do something that you're not
>willing to do.

I have previously listed for Arny a large number of
commercially available recordings, (on which credits
are clearly given) from which he can evalute my work
should he wish to do so. So from Arny's point of view,
the only challenge is to see that his own segment reaches
a standard that all agree to be professional.

>Your recent meltdown has been one of your more memorable ones. Keep up
>the good work, GOIA. LOL!

I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously
wrong with poor old Arny? Is there?

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> The "recordists" that I've worked with have tended to be
> sane though.

Too bad the sanity didn't rub off on you, Grasshopper.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>> Well Grasshopper as I keep repeating and Iain
>> occasionally admits, he has nothing of his own to show
>> to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist.

> And I keep repeating, I am neither.

Good Iain, well that establishes that you are not a recordist, which means
that you can't play my game.

Thanks for trying!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 10:16*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>
> > The "recordists" that I've worked with have tended to be
> > sane though.
>
> Too bad the sanity didn't rub off on you, Master.

The dagger of another weak IKYABWAI pierces me heart. LOL!

Is being called insane by someone who's insane the same as a double-
negative?

I say "yes".

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 8:14*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote
> On Jan 19, 7:41 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> >> Find out the facts before you blurt out such nonsense!
> >If GOIA did that he wouldn't be GOIA.
>
> But how does he equate his behaviour with
> his claims to be a born-again Christian?

Quit lying.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 9:26*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

> I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously
> wrong with poor old Arny? *Is there?

To quote you: <insert stunned look here>

Is this a serious question? :-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 10:17*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > "Arny Krueger"
> >> Well Master as I keep repeating and Iain
> >> occasionally admits, he has nothing of his own to show
> >> to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist.
> > And I keep repeating, I am neither.
>
> Good Iain, well that establishes that you are not a recordist, which means
> that you can't play my game.

Apparently neither can you.

> Thanks for trying!

You really don't understand how professional recordings are made, do
you.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 9:26 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

>> I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously
>> wrong with poor old Arny? Is there?

>To quote you: <insert stunned look here>

>Is this a serious question? :-)

(Insert Large wink here)
Yes, of course!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 11:25*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ...
> On Jan 19, 9:26 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> >> I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously
> >> wrong with poor old Arny? Is there?
> >To quote you: <insert stunned look here>
> >Is this a serious question? :-)
>
> (Insert Large wink here)
> Yes, of course!

In that case, GOIA is totally 'normal'. ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 11:17, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Well Grasshopper as I keep repeating and Iain
> >> occasionally admits, he has nothing of his own to show
> >> to anybody. He was a producer, not a recordist.
> > And I keep repeating, I am neither.
>
> Good Iain, well that establishes that you are not a recordist, which means
> that you can't play my game.
>
> Thanks for trying!

Here is Arny, at his "game".

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/suzysparkles/drdemento.jpg

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 5:41�am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
> >> If you can, as you claim, do the job of a crew of four
> >> or �five, (anyway, less than half a dozen:-) just as
> >> efficiently, and at probably one twentieth of the
> >> cost, why is it that clients are not queuing up to use
> >> your services?
>
> > I'm plenty busy.
>
> With professional recording?
> Then you will have plenty to post.
> Why are you so shy? :-))

He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs he builds for
the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 8:16�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > The "recordists" that I've worked with have tended to be
> > sane though.
>
> Too bad the sanity didn't rub off on you, Grasshopper.

This whole "Grasshopper" thing is really lame. It also outlines your
narcissistic personality disorder, since you actually think others can
learn from you. The truth is that you're really get skewered here by
people who know more than you, but your disorder prevents you from
acknowledging it.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> This whole "Grasshopper" thing is really lame.

Hmm that means it irritates you Marc. Mission accomplished!

> It also outlines your narcissistic personality disorder, since you
> actually
> think others can learn from you.

Where did I say that I think that others can learn from me?

BTW Marc, I'm sure that many people are learning from your antics, but that
may not be a good thing.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
> he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!

Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

RetardoBorg bangs his cranial superstructure against the concrete.

> > This whole "Grasshopper" thing is really lame.

> Hmm that means it irritates you Marc.

You should try that low-rent mind-reading shtick on your shrink, Arnii. See
if you don't get your knuckles rapped rather sharply.

> Feces accomplished!

You're nothing if not relaible.™

> > It also outlines your narcissistic personality disorder, since you
> > actually think others can learn from you.

> Where did I say that I think that others can learn from me?

Is that an echo of duh-Scottie I hear? Between the two of you having little
or no understanding of the meaning of what you actually say, it's a minor
miracle you're able to accomplish simple things like getting a driver's
license or filing your tax return.

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 11:48�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > This whole "Grasshopper" thing is really lame.
>
> Hmm that means it irritates you Marc. Mission accomplished!

You eat pieces of **** for breakfast? LOL!

>
> > �It also outlines your �narcissistic personality disorder, since you
> > actually
> > think others can �learn from you.
>
> Where did I say that I think that others can learn from me?

Since when does "think" and "say" mean the same thing?

>
> BTW Marc, �I'm sure that many people are learning from your antics, but that
> may not be a good thing.

Wow, more lameness. I freely admit, however, that your commitment to
mediocrity does irritate me a little.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 11:49�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
> > he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!
>
> Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?

Prove I'm wrong by posting links to your latest professional recording
achievements.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 19, 11:49?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
>>> he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!
>>
>> Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?
>
> Prove I'm wrong by posting links to your latest
> professional recording achievements.

What link might that be?

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> > On Jan 19, 11:49?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
> >>> he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!
> >>
> >> Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?
> >
> > Prove I'm wrong by posting links to your latest
> > professional recording achievements.
>
> What link might that be?

One that you could easily create.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 2:55*pm, Boon > wrote:
> On Jan 19, 11:49 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
> > > he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!
>
> > Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?

LOL! I'm sure that GOIA hates Tina Fey for "lying" about Sarah Palin.

> Prove I'm wrong by posting links to your latest professional recording
> achievements.

I'd rather he post his MMPI-2 results with an analysis by a licensed
professional.

[TT]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 11:48?am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > This whole "Grasshopper" thing is really lame.
>
> Hmm that means it irritates you Marc. Mission accomplished!

You eat pieces of **** for breakfast? LOL!

>
> > ?It also outlines your ?narcissistic personality disorder, since you
> > actually
> > think others can ?learn from you.
>
> Where did I say that I think that others can learn from me?

Since when does "think" and "say" mean the same thing?

>
> BTW Marc, ?I'm sure that many people are learning from your antics, but
> that
> may not be a good thing.

Wow, more lameness. I freely admit, however, that your commitment to
mediocrity does irritate me a little.

Boon

I'm sure Arny aspires to the lofty heights of mediocrity ;-) At least it
would get him out of the gutter!

Cheers TT

[TT]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 11:25 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> ...
> On Jan 19, 9:26 am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> >> I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously
> >> wrong with poor old Arny? Is there?
> >To quote you: <insert stunned look here>
> >Is this a serious question? :-)
>
> (Insert Large wink here)
> Yes, of course!

In that case, GOIA is totally 'normal'. ;-)

That's a LIE! ;-)

[TT]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi...

> Clyde. I am not fussy. If Arny makes the recording
> all alone standing in his head, that's fine by me,
> as long as it reaches the professional standard
> that he has claimed for himself.
> Is that too much to ask?
>
> Iain
>
Apparently it is! Arny can't do it.

Cheers TT

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 12:56�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 11:49?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> He meant he's busy doing service calls on the ****ty PCs
> >>> he builds for the church. Damn that 30-day warranty!
>
> >> Hmm Marc so you say that you never lie, right?
>
> > Prove I'm wrong by posting links to your latest
> > professional recording achievements.
>
> What link might that be?

Exactly.

Boon